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A storm gathers above 'Fortress East End' – but its Labour defenders remain defiant



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Published Date: 30 June 2008
THEY don't come more Labour than John Smith. The kitchen assistant in an old folk's home is standing on Wellshot Road, outside the public library where David Marshall, the retiring MP for Glasgow East held his surgeries.
Mr Smith, 39, is pondering what the SNP will require to capture the seat and overturn a majority of 13,507 votes. He sighs then says: "A miracle?"

Mr Smith describes himself as a "Labour man" in a constituency that has never returned any other party. Even today, with Wendy Alexander's resignation and Gordon Brown's current woes, he refuses to even contemplate ticking any other party's box.

"I'll vote Labour, everyone here votes Labour."

Glasgow East is a new constituency with old problems. Born in 2005, following the reorganisation of Scotland's constituencies, it now includes the former Ballieston constituency as well as parts of Shettleston which, unfortunately, makes it the poorest and unhealthiest in Britain. This may be Labour's heartland, but if so it is one clogged by unemployment, drug abuse, depression and obesity.

Male life expectancy across the city's East End is 68, five years less than the Scottish average, while in Shettleston it drops to just 63. Women, meanwhile, live on average to 74, which is still three years less than the national average. Across the area, 30 per cent of the population is described as "deprived", while 25 per cent are unemployed, compared with a national average of 5 per cent. Mortality rates from cancer and heart disease are all above average, with smoking in some pockets running at 50 per cent.

While large swathes of Glasgow have been transformed in recent years, the East End has lagged behind with many residents still stuck in poor-quality housing and troubled by anti-social behaviour, despite Glasgow Housing Association investing £90 million in the area over the last five years.

There is the hope that Parkhead – the area that is home to Celtic Football Club and where 63 per cent of children live in homes on benefits – will be given a dramatic boost by the development of new leisure facilities and homes planned to coincide with the Commonwealth Games in 2014.

Yet a tour of Glasgow East reveals a mixture of hope, anger and apathy which the SNP will struggle to mix into a recipe for electoral success. In the last election in 2005, Labour snared 60.7 per cent of the vote with the SNP coming second with 17 per cent.

Sheltering from driving rain in the entrance of the Town Tavern on Shettleston Road, Hugh Muldoon, 66, draws on a cigarette and considers the possibility of an SNP victory. "No, sorry, I just don't see it," he says, smiling and shaking his head. "The only way is if they could muster up enough staunch supporters to outnumber the loyal Labour voters who may be affected by the growing, in fact, vast majority of people who are utterly apathetic. They could do it, but that will be hard."

HIS view on Alex Salmond does not help their cause. "He's picking fights and not putting the best interests of the country first."

A few miles up the road, standing in a brief pocket of sunshine on Ballieston main street, George McGuire, 45, a gardener and his wife, Janice, 47, a cleaner, would disagree. The pair were two of the 5,268 SNP voters who turned out at the last general election and believe that there is a chance, a slim one granted, that the party could pull off a historic swing and so secure the seat. "I would hope to see a change," says George. Labour has been in power too long, they have made too many promises they can't keep and at the moment the party is in disarray."

Behind the counter of the SoLo Convenience store, its owner, Natalie Greggan, 25, has yet to encounter a party for whom she would cast a vote and so, like many others, will let the forthcoming local election pass her by. "I suppose that Gordon Brown is having such a hard time that maybe someone might beat Labour."

The key to Alex Salmond's success lies back on Wellshot Road in Shettleston with voters like Jeanette West, 58, a waitress. She is a traditional Labour supporter who could not countenance a vote for the Conservatives, but who has grown weary enough with Labour that she is considering voting SNP. "Nothing seems to get done, we need more police on the streets and we need the potholes in the roads fixed and it just hasn't happened. I'm just an ordinary working person. I couldn't vote for the Tories, but I might give the SNP a chance to see what they could do."

The spectre of Tommy Sheridan could come back to haunt the big players

A VICTORY in Glasgow East should – under normal circumstances – be a formality for Labour. David Marshall won the seat in 2005 with a majority of 13,507, making it the party's eighth-safest seat in Scotland. But by-elections are different.

George Ryan, a Labour councillor in Glasgow, was being mentioned as the likely Labour candidate. Mr Ryan

is local and known in the area. He has represented Labour voters there for some time and knows the issues. His selection would send out the right message about the party's intentions.

Other possible candidates include Charan Gill, the Asian entrepreneur whom Jack McConnell tried to parachute in for the Glasgow Cathcart by-election in 2005, and Lesley Quinn, the ex-general secretary of the Scottish Labour Party.

There are also strong indications the SNP will pick a local candidate. Lachie McNeill, the 56-year-old advocate who fought the seat in 2005, had already been selected as the SNP's preferred candidate for the seat at the next General Election, and it would be unusual to displace him.

However, both SNP and Labour could suffer if Tommy Sheridan, right, was up for the seat.

Solidarity said it would contest the poll and Mr Sheridan, awaiting trial on perjury charges, is a possible candidate.



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1

Vivas,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 00:16:30
Despite Labour's woes I still expect a red balloon on a stick to win the Glasgow East by-election. It's all part of the disgusting culture of dependancy and welfare that Labour has perpetuated and fostered in constituencies such as this over decades. A kind of political Stockholm-syndrome if you will.

The real hope for Glagow East and others like it will come after independence. But I don't expect anything other than the red ballon to prevail there in the meantime.
2

ThomasP,

30/06/2008 00:20:55
The odds are deffinetly against the SNP.

But I highly doubt Labour will return with a majority over 7000 at least
3

The Spook in Leith,

30/06/2008 00:40:13
Mr Smith describes himself as a "Labour man" in a constituency that has never returned any other party"

I'll vote Labour, everyone here votes Labour."

Mr Smith WHY?..Look what you got for voting Labour..

the poorest and unhealthiest in Britain

clogged by unemployment, drug abuse, depression and obesity.

Male life expectancy across the city's East End is 68, five years less than the Scottish average, while in Shettleston it drops to just 63.

Across the area, 30 per cent of the population is described as "deprived", while 25 per cent are unemployed

63 per cent of children live in homes on benefits

Is this why people in the East End of Glasgow vote labour?? The only bright part in the east end is after dusk when the floodlights at Celtic park are on when a match is on..


4

The Spook in Leith,

30/06/2008 00:46:17
Even if they do not want the SNP to win the seat, give someone else a chance to do something coz labour have done fuc# all or very little, come on surely your not in your comfort zone with Labour in this bleak and depressing area...Something has to be done about the plight of Glasgows eastend population, are labour rigging the vote or what?
5

ThomasP,

30/06/2008 00:51:14
"HIS view on Alex Salmond does not help their cause. "He's picking fights and not putting the best interests of the country first."

Picking fights...

Course. Salmond was elected to do the best for Scotland and we all darn well know Westminister would give Scotland nothing if they could get away with it.
6

Ken_Fitlike,

30/06/2008 00:56:39

Compare these two texts.....

"I'll vote Labour, everyone here votes Labour."

AND

"Male life expectancy across the city's East End is 68, five years less than the Scottish average, while in Shettleston it drops to just 63. Women, meanwhile, live on average to 74, which is still three years less than the national average. Across the area, 30 per cent of the population is described as "deprived", while 25 per cent are unemployed, compared with a national average of 5 per cent. Mortality rates from cancer and heart disease are all above average, with smoking in some pockets running at 50 per cent."


So so sad.......

7

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 30/06/2008 00:57:16
If anything defines the utter failure of Labour over decades it is the sad, sorry, deprived state of the east end of Glasgow.

Successive Labour Governments and Councils have failed the east end completely.

Thanks for nothing Gordon.
8

ThomasP,

30/06/2008 01:02:49
It is quite amazing that this part of Glasgow has been Labour-run for the past 20 odd years, yet these people have not mastered the art of democracy.

Where you vote for the person who does actually make a differene.
9

Richardinho,

30/06/2008 01:09:38
Sorry to sound callous, but this 'john smith' sounds like a real loser.
10

Allan(handofgod137),

30/06/2008 01:19:50
"I'll vote Labour, everyone here votes Labour."

This shows how a lifetime's exposure to leftist policy's causes brain damage.
11

Richardinho,

30/06/2008 01:22:34
One of the reasons I was incensed by the cutting of the 10p tax rate, was that it meant turning tax payers into benefits claimants (the tax credits). This is what Labour wants. It wants everyone to be dependent on it's patronage so that they continue to vote for them. It is sick!
12

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 30/06/2008 01:28:40
"Sorry to sound callous, but this 'john smith' sounds like a real loser."

Hey, I was dumb enough to vote Labour in '97 and again in 2001. But after Iraq, NEVER, NEVER again.

Oh, and it took me nearly a decade to finally realise that New Labour are far to the right of Thatcher.
13

Vivas,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 01:29:15
Absolutey 100% agree with you Richardinho. A decade in power at Westminster ... basic ownership of Holyrood parliament until last year ... decades of control at council and regional level... why is Glasgow East still in its current state ???

I can only conclude that through contrived dependancy, Labour makes sure of it's future electoral survival by keeping the poor in poverty and on a perpetual promise of better days in a future that never arrives.

DISGUSTING.
14

subrosa,

30/06/2008 01:47:31
Excuse the change of subject but we're not permitted to comment on the 'Scots soldier killed in Afgahnistan' article.

My sincere sympathy to his family and friends. Another tragic death of a soldier.

As well as the tragedy the family are coming to terms with having their son's regiment described as' B Company 5th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland' must add to their distress. Makes their son and his colleagues sound just like a number in a filing cabinet and not a brave human being.

The public really have to start insisting that regimental names are used. In this case this brave man belonged to the Argyll and Southern Highlanders I believe.
15

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 30/06/2008 01:57:57
The really sad thing about the East end of Glasgow is that they seem to have no desire to change things for themselves. The booze, the fags, the bad diet, the drugs, the lack of meaningful employment, or even employment, and the bizarre view that voting Labour is for the working class. The shame is few belong to the 'working' class any more. It seems like there were two 'Scotlands'.

Areas which are motivated, properous, with good jobs and good lifestyle now vote SNP because independence doesn't scare them because they are 'independent' in their personal life.

Where generation after generation have allowed the state to provide their income, their housing, etc have caused them to fear ever relying on their own endeavours or standing on their own two feet. Hence the fear of independence. Yet a large proportion are from the Irish catholic diaspora who will sing old Irish nationalist songs and condemn Ulster unionism, yet are vehemently afraid to abandon British unionism. I doubt the SNP could ever win in the Glasgow east end because the SNP represent a positive outlook and self determination. Labour garners its votes through fear. - fear of having to make a go of things, fear of having control of your own future. It will take generations to change. What a sad reflection of that part of Glasgow.
16

W Smith,

Middle East 30/06/2008 03:55:46
Its back to the Seventies for the chip on the shoulder Weegies who would never vote for the Tories but vote for the snivelling lazy unmotivated corrupt stupid Labour mafia.

Turkeys voting for Christmas
17

Gina Gibson,

Wales 30/06/2008 05:00:09
I hear the labour party has ordered in extra toilet rolls for their members during run up to this election!
18

frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/06/2008 05:25:12
The SNP can win Glasgow East, but it will not be done on these threads.

It can only be done by old fashioned door-stepping. This was proved in Hamilton, Govan and Govan again.

It was, nearly done, even in John Smith's seat of Airdrie. Labour has never been invicible; NuLaboraTory, even less so. But, like the above, as I said before, it needs workers on the door-steps.
19

bring them on,

30/06/2008 05:34:02
Hope labour lose, and the right message sent.
20

Pilrig.,

Livingston 30/06/2008 05:37:05
Glasgow East is quote "the poorest and unhealthiest consticuency in Britain" but "Everyone here votes Labour"

One day the penny may drop.
21

Pilrig.,

Livingston 30/06/2008 05:38:53
Mind you the Marshall clan have done well oot of the place.
22

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 30/06/2008 06:16:16
I wish the SNP well in this by-election but Labour voters like Mr Smith will not be won over by the hectoring drones so prevalent on these threads.
23

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 30/06/2008 06:39:12
It will be interesting to hear what alternatives Salmond comes up with for this obvious s**t hole of a constituency. The most obvious place in Scotland that has benefited least from the union.
If Scottish independence can give some hope and future to these unfortunate people then bring it on. Sure there is a dole mindset here, but there's got to be something better than living like that in what's supposed to be a modern, western democracy. It sound Third World to me.
NuLabour's showcase slum.
Unbelievable.
24

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 30/06/2008 06:45:30
#23 Your comment oozes with snobbery and self regard.
25

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 30/06/2008 06:50:40
Labour has had what, 14?, years to remedy the defects of Glasgow East. It has failed. What brilliant solutions does SNP offer?
26

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 30/06/2008 06:54:56
#24

Actually I feel a lot of sorrow and respect for these people. Or I should say our people. It's a real tragedy.
I'm not oozing anything. It's you who's leaking the oil.
27

SouthernSkye,

Bonnie Bonn 30/06/2008 07:08:31
I agree with the consensus above. 20+whatever years of labour and yet these poor souls still live in such a very very deprived area.
When, indeed, will the penny drop?
Now I hope!
28

Skyrat,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 07:39:55
"I'll vote Labour, everyone here votes Labour."

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

Yeah, because it looks like it's done your area a lot of good. The mentality of these people astonishes me. To vote for a party with no rhyme nor reason or other than "everyone here votes Labour". Even if they don't vote for the SNP, at least show a little bit of independent thought.

Gormless fools.
29

Pocket Dictionary,

30/06/2008 07:58:07
Local politicians often carry a personal vote for as long as they are in Parliament, so it is not just the Labour factor here. It can be the same for any party with a local person who knows the area and is familiar with their electorate.

I don't like Tommy Sheridan or his politics, but he has more chance as an 'outsider' taking the seat from Labour. A 'Weegie' and a firm traditional left wing socialist, he could easily win.

30

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 30/06/2008 08:05:54
#25, Rules. Try reading their manifesto. What brilliant solutions would federalism bring ? Has it any ?
31

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 30/06/2008 08:07:41
#29

You may be right and as a tactical point it would be better in theory for all other parties to stand aside and let them scrap it out. What stops me supporting this are the well founded criticisms of liebore and, frankly, Tommy is not exactly squeaky clean nor necessarily 100% truthful himself.
32

bully wee alba,

Formally Sandyhills, now Edinburgh 30/06/2008 08:07:44
As someone who was born and bred within this constituency, I feel that many of the comments above are derived from ignorance, prejudice and an over reliance upon simplistic stereotypes.

Such attitudes are only reinforced by articles such as the one above, which unashamedly attempts to portray the electorate as being stupid, inarticulate and apathetic.

The way to win this seat is to treat the electorate with respect, to listen to their views, hopes and aspirations and to show drive, leadership and to offer a sense of community inclusiveness and empowerment.

This place is part of all of us, part of the post-industrial heritage of Scotland, part of the disgraceful legacy of over 50 years of Labour hegemony.

Its up to all of us with Scotland’s future at the heart of own hopes and aspirations, to get out there, pound the streets, and to convince our fellow citizens that the SNP represent the way forward.
33

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 30/06/2008 08:13:37
#32

Well said.
34

pehman,

sussex 30/06/2008 08:23:41
18 Frank McBride,

I'll see you there Frank, looking forward to catching up with the old Coatbridge/Airdrie crowd.

I'll be up for the last week of the campaign

SOAR ALBA A NIS
35

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 08:25:06
According to one English Sunday newspaper, the MP for Glasgow East is 'ill' because for several years he has been claiming large parliamentary expenses to pay members of his own family for work allegedly carried out on his behalf? Sounds like the MP for Glasgow East and the unashamed Tory MP Derek Conway have much in common!

I wonder how Mr. Marshall's constituents, who live in one of the most socially deprived parts of the UK, feel about these allegations?

36

brownlie,

30/06/2008 08:33:16
Despite the usual Scotsman's misleading head-line I feel that any prospective Labour candidate will take little comfort from this article.


37

Melly,

Sussex 30/06/2008 08:34:35
"I`ll vote labour, everyone votes labour round here" He sounds like a no-brainer, perfect labour material kept in poverty and moulded by his party over his 39 years of a miserable life which hasn`t got all that long to go by the life expectancy statistics for his area. You`ve got liebour to thank for that short future John - and you wouldn`t vote for anybody else?
38

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/06/2008 08:42:44
#36 Lachie

I don't suppose it will bother John Smith too much !
39

Tommy Trout,

Alicante, Spain 30/06/2008 08:42:51
Glasgow East is not the only pocket of diehard labour voters.  When I lived in Fife they said you could put a cabbage up for election and as long as it had a Labour rosette on it, it would get elected.Well, times they are a changing, as Dunfermline proved.  Labour beware!
40

Scotland to prosper...,

30/06/2008 08:44:31
I find it scary the level of deprivation people will sustain before they say enough is enough and actually vote for someone else. I used to ask why vote Labour and the same answer every time was “My parents voted for them, so I’ll vote for them”.

I'm a nationalist but that fact aside, I am outraged by Labour's betrayal of these people. They continually vote Labour but I've been through that part of Glasgow many's a time and in all my years of frequenting this area, it has never ever shown any signs of rejuvenation.

I don’t know who is to blame more, the Labour dirt that lets the people down or the morons that continually sleepwalk their way to voting Labour because “Ma’ Da’ voted for ‘em”.

Criminal, simply criminal
41

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 30/06/2008 08:45:39
#30 Macmadman.

I see nothing in the SNP manifesto that would lift Glasgow East out of its mire. If you can, please exemplify.

As federalism hasn't a manifesto (only political parties have these) your point here is poorly made.
42

eric,

lothian 30/06/2008 08:47:40
A little bit funding towards the Glasgow subway expansion into east end should do the trick.Remember The east end of Glasgow is the size of edinburgh.
And a lot of hard working descent people live there.
43

Guga II,

Rockall 30/06/2008 08:52:44
If the people in the East End of Glasgow continue to vote for a monkey with a red rosette, then they deserve all they get. I suppose you could look on it as a form of natural selection.
44

Melly,

Sussex 30/06/2008 09:23:40
#43 eric.
Of course it`s true there a lot of hard working decent people in the east end of Glasgow, but what is it in their psyche that makes them unable to see the cause of their plight? If you keep voting for a party that promises the earth but gives you hell is there not a point at which you think to give another party a chance? What have these other parties done to these people that makes them beyond the pale?
45

Boy Wonder,

30/06/2008 09:25:54
If Glasgow East End want change (and why wouldn't they?) they're going to have to learn as the rest of us did, that voting for the one party all your life gets you zilch! I voted for Labour all my days until the last election. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Blair, Brown and cronies any longer. My conscience wouldn't let me. And Glasgow has to see that they can't either. No single political party should ever become so entrenched in any area. They should never feel that secure!
46

donald,

glasgow 30/06/2008 09:42:49
"The Digger", a radical Glasgow, fortnightly exposure magazine, claims Marshall is under investigation for and fiddling. It also claims he is cohorting with local gangsters.
47

izzie,

dundee 30/06/2008 09:49:24
Glasgow east seems ripe for a Tommy Sheridan comeback. He speaks their language and has 'fire in his belly' The SNP will increase their share of the vote Labour will win and everyone will claim victory. Meanwhile these poor afflicted people will die through poverty.
48

JayJay,

Right here 30/06/2008 10:06:03
Today's Daily Retard provides all the clues you require as to why the good people of the east end continue to act in defiance of the evidence all around them. On the subject of the Nats, the Editors belly rumbles out the following:-
"Its time to expose an administration that is failing to improve education, failing to cut crime, failing to tackle problems in the Health service and failing to boost the economy".
Errrr...who was in power for 11 years in Scotland, and who has been in power for a year? Listing the previous administrations failures would take a generation.
John Smith's comments above typify a mindset that has prevailed for too long in Scotland. The view is almost Faustian - I live in one of the most deprived areas of the UK, nothing has changed here for 30 years, in fact its probably a whole lot worse, yet Labour is the only party that acts for and understands the working man!!
The working man's deal with the Devil runs as follows: you deliver us 50 seats every election, and we will continue to tell you to fear the Tories, demonise the "well off" and encourage you to have no ambition beyond living and dying in your own street.
It may come as some surprise to working men like John Smith, but there are some upwardly mobile guys from that area. That'll be the sitting Mps who earn an absurd amount in salary and allowances, whilst telling their constituents that "they care".
49

frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/06/2008 10:06:26
# Pehman.

It'll be good to see you again. Might not, though, looks like half of Scotland is about to descend on Glasgow East!!!

We'll have to take over Celtic Park as HQ ;-)
50

danielrober,

30/06/2008 10:18:49
This part of Glasgow is in need of continued help. There is no party of the UK that is threatening to pull their benefits, the SNP would seem to be. Its all very nice when there is a war, when these estates and cities produce most of the troops across the UK. But then when the wars over the handfull of politicos say "oh dear you must do something".

No doubt fighting for your country, getting shot at and seeing yor mates die just can not compete with a new second shiny bridge.

Some times it just makes me sick. Can't we just leave these guys alone and stop judging them.
51

elizabeth the first ,

30/06/2008 10:28:52
If there is one thing Gordon Brown can be certain about,it's the return of a Labour mp in Glasgow East.
52

brownlie,

30/06/2008 10:39:34
53 elizabeth

That's good - because a Labour MP has not been seen in Glasgow East for ages.
53

The Spook in Leith,

30/06/2008 10:46:39
#53 elizabeth the first

Do you not think that is a shame ? Regardless of who you vote why cant the people of the east of Glasgow give someone else a chance to improve the quality of the lives of the people in that area. Mr Smith boasts how the area has always voted labour yet just below his words we read how deprived this area is.

Lets not forget, no large scale industry has recently pulled out of the area so the poverty is very deep rooted along with the labour vote mentality.

For the sake of Glasgow east they have to let go of the labour benefit dependency policies and vote for careers.
54

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

30/06/2008 10:46:40
Ye kin get a nice bag o' mussels oot o' the 'Barras' tho'....
55

Willie,

30/06/2008 10:50:34
Is it not wonderful.
Here we are living in a democracy, where we have the right to vote for whoever is on the ballot paper.
But say you intend to vote Labour and you are subject to abuse.
We are allowed different views.
When you take them away it becomes a dictatorship.
Maybe time to think about that.
56

Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/06/2008 10:55:19

The nats ask incredulously why constituencies like Glasgow East have nothing to do with them, then Neil (post 23) pops up and demonstrates exactly why the natz are loathed:
'for this obvious s**t hole of a constituency. The most obvious place in Scotland that has benefited least from the union.
... It sound Third World to me.
NuLabour's showcase slum.'
The Labour party should print out a selection of the nationalists' charming views and encourage the electorate to discuss them with nat canvassers.
57

brownlie,

30/06/2008 10:57:12
57 Willie

If you know this area you will know that this area and its voters have been abused, through neglect, by Labour for decades.

Far from discouraging people from having different views comments on this site are suggesting that the voters should no longer put up with this neglect.
58

elizabeth the first ,

30/06/2008 11:02:01
55. Better the devil you know,than the one you don't! Have you been to Glasgow East recently? I had the misfortune to drive through it a few months ago,it's not a case of lack of money,more what they do with the money,lager,beer and cigs seemed to be top of the agenda.
59

Melly,

Sussex 30/06/2008 11:46:32
#57 Willie
The abuse of the residents of the East End has been by the liebour party for 60 years not by those posting at the gullability of these residents. Can you tell me what the Liebour party has done for this area? Just one thing? C`mon let us all into the wonderful changes they have made to improve these poor people`s desperate lifestyle.
60

The Spook in Leith,

30/06/2008 12:01:10
#60 liz or beth ..lizzy..

Yes i have been to Glasgow east end more times than you have had meals with kimba.!! I have been to Celtic park ooh around 30 times + ) and i have also played in a few friendly matches against shettleston juniors.

It is the area of Glasgow that i am most familiar with and have a few mates who stay in Cranhill.

I think it would be of benefit to have some other party represent the area and not some party who thinks because (Better the devil you know)and who takes the votes for granted..that saying "Better the devil you know" hacks me off coz that is what is wron with Glasgow...
61

Number 6,

Germany 30/06/2008 12:15:05
Anyone who knows this area also knows that Labour, despite decades of power, have left the place in a shameful state. The WORST in Europe in fact. What an appalling indictment of their stewardship. It's so sad to hear people still talking in such uneducated terms, "I've always voted labour so i'll be voting labour again". This hell hole is of course, a model labour scheme. Keep them dependant and thick, thats how to fool them all of the time.

Very very depressing, but the people of this area only have themselves to blame if they vote the LIarbour party back in.
62

danielrober,

30/06/2008 12:19:20
I always find the image of these communities shown to the world as unfair. So to those readers from elsewhee let me put a little tint of gold to the picture of these estates.

1, They raise the soliders, sailors, airpersonnel, police and nurses that tend to do most of the fighting for and in our islands.

2, They produce the cutting edge musicians and artists that we lsiten too online. These musicians take the energy of their communities and invigerate the rest us.

3, Sales people love these areas as they make very loyal consumers, helpping companies establish long-term investment plans.

4, They have high crimes rates, but they also 'deal with' the majority of their own problems.

5, The accomodation they live in, is where new immigrants to the UK actually go to live. These communities provide housing, schools, work, hope and friendship to peoples from all over the world.

6, Your average hot computer programmer, super model or footballers comes from places such as this. Then we cheer then along all the way, whilst counting the money.

7, Yeh these palces are hard and difficult, so is life. But these palces also show the kind ness of hunmanity and manage most the problems themselves. This area and other like across the Uk and the EU provide more charity support than the most other communities

Many countries in the world would wish to have these problems and these passions. In directly these areas carry their own weight and pay their own way. They just don't get much in the way of direct investment - not since the Energy Crisis.
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ptdoug,

30/06/2008 12:21:23
The Glasgow East Enders have been utterly betrayed by Labour.

Taken for granted for decade after decade. And for what? Read above stats.

Shocking. Truly shocking that anyone can even contemplate for a moment voting again for such a corrupt, trough guzzling, dishonest, wide as the Clyde bunch of incompetents that constitute todays "Scottish" Labour party.
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Number 6,

Germany 30/06/2008 12:24:22
#64 Ju8st try walking from one end osf Shettleston road to the other after dark then come back antd tell us Kitchen sink estates are good for society. I assume that's what your trying to insinuate.
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danielrober,

30/06/2008 12:26:06
66 Number 6,Germany

Next time your in accident and emergency ask the Nuse where she lives?
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danielrober,

30/06/2008 12:28:36
# 66 Number 6,Germany

#67 cont

Then ask her if she wants a £4 billion spent on a shinny new extra bridge or on her esate, that she calls home?

What do you think her answer will be?
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ptdoug,

30/06/2008 12:33:55
Danielrober,

Spot on. I couldn't agree more.

These people really are the salt of the earth.

As an ex-resident of Barlanark I saw kindness and humanity on a grand scale. The sense of community was palpable.

All the more reason the betrayal of these folk is so painful.

I would like to see the SNP Government put together some kind of "Marshal Plan" for Scotlands neglected communities... I mean something awesome and revolutionary. And if such a plan was conceived (with input from the communities concerned) laid out and presented to the East End and cummunities in similar situations.... yes... I think the SNP could win the hearts and minds of these betrayed Labour supporters.

Lets see Salmond and his top ministers on the streets of the East-End offering the type of sincerity that was never forthcoming from "Scottish" Labour.
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ptdoug,

30/06/2008 12:42:37
Expert have recently declared that the condition of the Forth Road Bridge is much better than previously feared... and that it's life span could be extended by decades.

So, I agree, £4billion on a shiny new bridge would be so wrong when there are communities, like Glasgows East End, in dire need of investment.

Ditto re the shiny new Tram System for affluent Edinburgh costing,ultimately, close to £1billion, forced on the SNP government by an unholy Labour-Tory-LibDem alliance.

Just think what an investment of 35billion could achieve!
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Finbar in the Sun,

Nottingham,UK 30/06/2008 12:43:06
#32-spot on
#64-exactly-having delivered parcels for GUS in the East End know the area well and you do too.
#69-great post

However as #64 sums up the majority of the decent people of the east End so well i hope and pray that these people vote for anyone but Labour.

It will take a monster campaign from the SNP,however times and attitudes are a changing.

My mother a Labour voter from the Gorbals for decades has of late seen what this party has done for Glasgow and like her wee bhoy will never vote for these war mongering,snout in the trough frauds again.

Salmond get in there.

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ptdoug,

30/06/2008 12:43:11
oops...£5billion, I mean.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 30/06/2008 12:50:52
Still we wait to learn SNP's magic formulae to renovate Glasgow East.
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The Spook in Leith,

30/06/2008 13:07:07
#73

Well Labour have had 50 years to do something but done very little. How long do you think it will take to sort out Glasgows east end?...ah don't tell me, you are one of those people who thinks the SNP should sort out 50 years of labour rot in a few months...i see..
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Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 30/06/2008 13:07:39
#64 Daniel,

There are many who live in the east of Glasgow who are, indeed, the salt of the earth; fine, upstanding people. That, surely, is why they neeed to stop, look around them, and ask two simple questions:
1. What have the Labour Party done for this area in the past x years?
2. What evidence is there that another Labour MP would make a positive difference to what is, by any measure, a very unhealthy place for people to live?
Having answered that pair of questions, they can then decide why they should - or shouldn't - vote for the Labour Party.
Common sense dictates that nobody could vote for a political ideal which, over the past half century and more, has been shown to have no substance to it - all fur coat and no knickers, as the saying goes. That, to a large measure, is what the Labour Party represent. They claim to have ideals which involve improving the lot of the poorest in society but, when push comes to shove - and they've had a very long time to shove in Glasgow - they fail. As a former Labour voter, and one who "bought the dream" of Tony Blair in 97, I now realise that I was "conned".
As others here might say: song moment... The Who - "Don't get fooled again"
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Richard,

West Lothian 30/06/2008 13:12:13
Rulesbutnotrulers,
Federation, not separation

What a complete moron! The clue is in the moniker.
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danielrober,

30/06/2008 13:16:20
# 69 & 71

There are plans for this area and the others. One of the big improvements could be district heating pushed forward on the Dannish model. But it would only work if the construction jobs went to the locals, as they will have to maintain the system. (i'm not a sales person involved in this business).

Thing is this type of scheme is not very shinny. I would have thought that the green party would be a good alternative to Labour, but i can not support, at moment a party that puts deals and carbon dixide ahead of people.

Boring investment schemes over decades are whats needed here to back-up the locals. Not some super freedom plan. Shout and Bore Alec.S has not actually put forward any plan that has not been put forward by others.

# 71 Did know the place well and if i had of taken the research option in Glasgow or manage to bring more people on board, i'd have bought there.
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Farky,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 13:22:30
How many years have Labour been in power in Glasgow? How many years in power in Westmister? How many years has this constituency had a Labour MP?

All those years of Labour at every level of politics, and yet according to to BBC Politics Show, it's still one of the poorest and deprived parts of Scotland.

SayS it all really. Why people can still support the Labour party just beats me!

Anyway.... why is the sitting MP giving up???????????
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elizabeth the first ,

30/06/2008 13:25:34
62. Well i'm afraid you may have to be "hacked off" a little longer! And i'm sorry to inform you,but the person "kimba" is not of my acquaintance;so, maybe you can inform me how you think the SNP could make a difference in the East End.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 30/06/2008 13:30:37
I sincerely hope the worm turns In Glasgow East and the SNP win. Look at north Ayrshire for an example of how a new SNP administration has began changing the landscape for the better. The SNP are driving changes through and the area is starting to come back to life...The local labour administration no longer have the power to run the area down as they have been for the last 20 or so years...
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Number 6,

Germany 30/06/2008 13:37:13
#67 . That's right all our nurses come from places like Shettleston now. What am I thinking ? without these places there would be no decent people in Scotland. There is no reason on this earth that places like Shettleston should still exist. it is a horrible , run down dirty violent place, where the main centres of activety are the pubs and bookies.

After dark it is one of the most dangerous places in Scotland. But why should the people there care ? . Generation after Generation have known nothing but decay and apathy. Labour have over the years, done absolutley nothing for these people, that's why they can't stand up on their own 2 feet anymore. What's the point. No, this is and has always been Labour's legacy.
Nothing to offer it terms of hope , just year after year of decay and abandonment. If I can, I will be back in Glasgow for the by-election, it should be interesting to hear what the Labour candidate has to say.

"Vote fur me because..... errrr jist because."
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 30/06/2008 13:44:09
You can p**s away millions on "big improvements" as NuLab surely will in the by-election. And nothing will change except the bank accounts of a few lucky contractors.
To end the despair and the picture of depravity that McGuinty paints nothing succeeds like meaningful, long term, secure employment. Then everything else falls into place.
Easier said than done, of course. But there's yer problem.
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Joe,

St Leonards Hill 30/06/2008 14:01:31
Billions of taxpayer pounds have been thrown at Glasgow over the decades, much of it on prestige projects rather than fighting poverty and deprivation. The SNP can promise millions more but at the end of the day only the citizens can help themselves, that help will not be forthcoming from SNP in terms of social policies.
Why did the SNP nod through a totally unnecessary M74 extension? Glasgow needs
educating, not more prestige.
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danielrober,

30/06/2008 14:04:17
# 82 Number 6,Germany

That's a good point -i forgot about the bookies. Must put a bet down on Andy Murry. Thanks for reminding me. Number crunching makes me loss track of time.
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A big boy dun it an ran away,

30/06/2008 14:17:28
It’s no the wans that vote yi huv tae wurry aboot, it’s the wans that dinae vote whae brak the herts o the nation
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Declan,

Glasgow 30/06/2008 14:19:47
#84 - Joe Curry why don't you keep your opinions to yourself. If I thought for one minute that you were concerned for the people of the East End of Glasgow I would say nothing. The only thing you are concerned with is running down Glasgow at every opportunity in order to boost your weird and over the top infatuation with Turnhouse Airport. Please remain in your cesspit in Livingston and leave the rest of us in peace!
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ThomasP,

30/06/2008 14:21:11
The Iraq war has cost up to 6 billion.

I bet that in the same amount of time as we have been in Iraq, 6 billion HAS NOT been spent on the East End of Glasgow.
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LEAL,

30/06/2008 14:21:47
70 ptdoug.

An oil rich country like Scotland can well afford a new bridge AND sort out the problems that generations of Labour neglect have allowed.Oil revenues are currently around £200 million per day.That would easily pay for bridges schools hospitals and decent housing for every Scot.It is 40 quid a day for each of us.280 quid a week each.If you vote Labour you are voting to give all that money to the South East of England.
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ptdoug,

30/06/2008 14:40:17


89LEAL

I absolutely agree.

That's why I now vote SNP.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 30/06/2008 15:29:32
Is this seat takeable?

The more recent figures relate to the Holyrood Election.

Bailliestone:
Curran, Margaret Labour 9,141
McNeill, Lachie Scottish National Party 5,207

Shettlestone:
McAveety, Frank Labour 7,574
McLaughlin, John Scottish National Party 4,693


A high turn out will help Labour as I assume that their voters are more apathetic but will vote on this ocassion because of the high profile campaign. The votes above were at a time when voting intentions for Westminster showed Labour well ahead of the SNP. Now the SNP have a clear lead nationally.

The SNP need a 22% swing but how much of that swing has already taken place? From the figures above and from opinion polls we could guess that 10% minimum has already swung. In this context I think the seat could realistically fall.

Labour will be praying for Tommy Sheridan to stand. He would split the anti-Labour vote and Labour may well slip through the middle. Although, in this scenario there is the possible humiliating outcome that Labour come third.

That really would end Brown's career.
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Number 6,

Germany 30/06/2008 15:36:57
#85 Daniel, whats wrong mate , dropped your rose-tinted glasses ?
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