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Published Date: 04 May 2009
By David Maddox
LABOUR last night dismissed claims by Alex Salmond that Scotland was two thirds of the way towards independence.
The First Minister made his claim over the weekend as Scotland celebrated devolution's tenth birthday and the SNP marked two years as the Scottish Government.

Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said the "gaffe" showed Mr Salmond was "obsessed" with separation.

"During the worst economic crisis since the war, the rest of Scotland is planning for recovery but Alex Salmond is planning for a referendum," he said.

Despite Mr Salmond's claims it seems clear the pro-Union parties still intend to block his referendum bill next year. But the SNP said its increasing support showed Mr Salmond was right.





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  • Last Updated: 03 May 2009 9:29 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish independence
 
1

RufusT-Firefly,

03/05/2009 22:43:53
#1 Spot on.

However, please do not be so disparaging of the SNP.

They still have taxpayers money to spend therefore we still have:

* AC/DC We Salute you

* Repatration of the Lewis Chessmen

* Getting Mary Queen of Scots bones back

* Evicting the British Army from Edinburgh Castle unless they fly the Saltire higher than the Union Jack

* Getting a Scotland entry into the Eurovision Song Contest

* Turning RAF Lossiemouth into a commercial spaceport for flights to the moon

All worthwhile uses of taxpayers money especially during a recession.

2

RufusT-Firefly,

03/05/2009 22:45:44
Westminster SNP Leader Angus Robertson MP has said he is "delighted" following discussions about the potential for commercial space flight from RAF Lossiemouth in his Moray constituency.

Mr Robertson had arranged a meeting to establish whether there were any legislative or regulatory impediments to space flights into near earth orbit. The leading developer of the ground-breaking technology Virgin Galactic has expressed an interest in operating from RAF Lossiemouth.

Flights would be able to carry both space tourists and launch satellites into orbit.

Speaking after the meeting Mr Robertson said:

"Until recently most people would have thought that commercial space flight was just science fiction. With test flights already underway it is increasingly likely that these flights will be a reality in the next few years.

"Scotland offers the right combination of aeronautical, technical and climactic factors to host these flights and RAF Lossiemouth in Moray is acknowledged as the leading site for operations.
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RufusT-Firefly,

03/05/2009 22:49:02
Westminster SNP Leader Angus Robertson MP, further said:

"I am delighted that UK Science Minister Lord Drayson and Dr Ian Gibson of the British National Space Centre are so positive about the potential. What emerged from our meeting is that there are no serious legislative or regulatory impediments to commercial space flight in the UK.

"We now hope that the development of technology by Virgin Galactic and other companies is successful. This would provide a platform for domestic satellite launches as well as space tourism.

"Scotland could very well become a European centre for space launches and this offers tremendous opportunities for scientific, economic and tourism development.

So there we have it folks.

Once we have independence and therefore no army, navy or RAF, do not fear. The SNP is going to turn RAF Leuchers into the new Cape Canaveral.

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RufusT-Firefly,

03/05/2009 22:54:13
I wonder if the spaceships will carry an SNP Logo on the side?
5

RufusT-Firefly,

03/05/2009 23:37:00
Space: The final frontier
These are the voyages of the Starship, Salmond
Its 5 year mission
To explore strange new and unworkable policies
To seek out new arguments and new confrontations.
6

Brianwci,

04/05/2009 00:13:57
As soon as i saw the words 'Salmond and gaffe' in the headline the word Maddox sprang to mind.

London Labour has nothing positive to say about anything so it jumps on everything AS says and tries to negative spin it.

It's obviously working though, Iain is at a staggering 7% while Alex is only at 36% in the 'Who would you trust to run the country' polls.

I do hope the Scotsman doesn't let David go, we would all miss his 'unique slant' on all things political.

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04/05/2009 00:15:19
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Brianwci,

04/05/2009 00:15:38
Oooops Wardog, I jumped in before I read your post.
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Talorthane,

04/05/2009 00:16:45
Time: 12:14am Monday, 4th May

According to Google:

Title: Labour leader scorns Salmond's 'gaffe'

Listing: Scotsman - ?7 minutes ago?


That would be 12:07am.


How is it that sm753 is listed as having posted on 03/05/2009 at 21:59:40 ?

How is it that RufusT-Firefly is listed as having posted on 03/05/2009 at 22:43:53 ??

How is it that RufusT-Firefly was able to post a further four times before the article was actually listed on Google ???


Is this some kind of "insider dealings" ?

Are sm753 and RufusT-Firefly employees of the Scotsman and abusing their positions of privelege ??

Or are sm753 and RufusT-Firefly employees of whichever company administers their website, and abusing this position of trust ???


I think the Scotsman need to investigate this situation, as it is not the first time that these two posters have had their comments posted before the acticle becomes available to the general public.

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04/05/2009 00:19:50
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Talorthane,

04/05/2009 00:20:31
p.s.

In relation to the above post (no.12), I have saved a copt of the posting.

If it disappears, or is moderated in any way, I will forward a copy to the editor of the Scotsman.
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04/05/2009 00:21:32
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04/05/2009 00:23:09
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 00:25:13
12 Does it matter?
SNP are 12 points ahead in constiuency vor=te and 10% ahead in regional so sme and rufus are pushing treacle up a hill
Whoever posts first is not going to change facts.
Labour in terminal decline SNP climbing and climbing.
I'm with wardog let's ignore tihns and hit Brown battered thread much more fun
15

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04/05/2009 00:26:53
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 00:27:45
17 Scottish and Proud,Glasgow 04/05/2009 00:25:13
12 Does it matter?
SNP are 12 points ahead in constiuency vor=te and 10% ahead in regional so sme and rufus are pushing treacle up a hill
Whoever posts first is not going to change facts.
Labour in terminal decline SNP climbing and climbing.
I'm with wardog let's ignore tihns and hit Brown battered thread much more fun
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Yes thats why the SNP took a pounding at the Bannockburn by-election last Thursday.
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04/05/2009 00:28:03
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 04/05/2009 00:28:50
If Scotland is 66% on the way to independence why do they only have 37% of the Holyrood seats, of course Mr Salmond is an economist he is good with figures.
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04/05/2009 00:31:31
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04/05/2009 00:32:57
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Bevin Boyce,

04/05/2009 00:34:42
Nu Labour employs ConsUltaNTS to post on these threads.
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PaulW,

Borders 04/05/2009 00:35:01
Doonhamer - you said all that needs to be said.....
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Talorthane,

04/05/2009 00:35:35
16 RufusT-Firefly
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Talorthane it is easy.

On your PC bottom right hand corner you see the time?

Tomorrow night at 10-00pm Right Click on it and move the day forward by 1 and the time forward by 2 hours.

Then click on the Scotsman website page and it lets you in to the following days edition

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Why ?

Why go to all that bother ??

Why not wait 'til it comes out at the normal time ???
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/05/2009 00:35:36
COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED.

Reason: Essential maintainance on trolls sm753, Rufus T-Firefly and Mercutio.
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04/05/2009 00:39:33
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 00:40:14
26 Talorthane,04/05/2009 00:35:35
Why ?

Why go to all that bother ??

Why not wait 'til it comes out at the normal time ???
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So I can go to bed.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 00:40:56
28 Cynicus in Exile,04/05/2009 00:36:01
Hello Rufus.

I see Macavity's friends rally to his defence.

Two days ago you were among them.

Yesterday you backed off.

What will today bring?
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As I requested on the other thread, where did I back off?

What did I say?
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04/05/2009 00:42:38
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Bevin Boyce,

04/05/2009 00:43:02
@26,

Smee and Duffer don't get out much.

I doubt if either of them have ever "been with a lady".

Naws wit urs means - nudge, nudge, wink, wink?!!!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

04/05/2009 00:44:15
With the Hootsmon & The Sunday Hootsmon combining to save a few pounds, will Johnston Press be able to afford to hire a couple of journalists???

It might help them sell a few more papers??
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04/05/2009 00:44:35
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04/05/2009 00:45:18
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 00:46:19
33 Cynicus in Exile,04/05/2009 00:42:42

Still waiting for your answer.

You make claims that you cannot back up.

Typical Nat tactic.
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The Artic Fox,

04/05/2009 00:48:02
Two recent 'gaffe's' from Labour - Jim Devine's pocketing expenses for money spent by someone else who drove him around for two year and James Purnell's inflated rent claims show's Iain Gray and everyone else what the typical Labour politician is 'obsessed' with doesn't it? By the way has anybody heard how David Marshall's doing - he was my MP for many, many years and bank accounts ago.
35

Castaway™ ,

04/05/2009 00:59:24
#21/#22 - Alex Salmond said that Scotland is "two-thirds" of the way down the road to independence. He also said "So if we take the Parliament as step one, the SNP Government as step two – step three is independence and I think we are two-thirds of the way there." Scotsman 3 May 2009

1st step: Scottish Parliament

2nd step: SNP - Scottish Government - Referendum

3rd step: Independence

As long as the SNP are in power/returned to power then 3rd step is a distinct possibility, more than it was it was prior to May 2007.

They said 30 years ago Scotland would never have its own Parliament because the people did not want it and if they did it would never work. And when it happened they said it would all be a failure. And now the same people are saying the Scottish Parliament will never lead to independence.
Want to bet ? Murray Ritchie - Scotsman 3 May 2009
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 01:05:32
Cynicus, you need to raise your game.

These 2 posts are not mutually exclusive as you well know.

Post 1 is saying that he can turn things around in 1 year (because at the moment his ratings are low)

Post 2 explains, at least partly, why his ratings are currently low.

You have to do a lot better than that.
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04/05/2009 01:07:14
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 01:07:37
#42 I never said you were a Nat AND you backed up nothing at post #40.

Raise your game.
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Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 01:17:50
Tsk Tsk.. Another Lie Bore MP's expenses row..
From the Herald on Sunday.

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2505731.0.0.php
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Dark Lochnagar,

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com 04/05/2009 01:24:01
The best First Minister and the popular vote is in for ELMER FUDD, 7%. I think you have your answer Mr Gray.
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Edward,

04/05/2009 01:28:13
Hey David Maddox, wasnt one version of this good enough from Labour? Or does Labour want you to just keep repeating it...
First time out was enough,now Labour want their extra spin on it.
Sad thing is David, Labour have already been exposed on the Red Rag project, where they use jokerslike you to spread their smear and negative spin
But you keep it up, as your credabilty is blown anyway
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04/05/2009 01:33:25
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Castaway™ ,

04/05/2009 02:14:25
Iain Gray "During the worst economic crisis since the war, the rest of Scotland is planning for recovery but Alex Salmond is planning for a referendum," Scotsman 03 May 2009

Iain Gray "During the ......referendum" Scotsman 04 May 2009

Iain Gray do you have your priorities right when "during the worst economic crisis since the war" you are still thinking of a planned referendum in 2010 with the pro-Union parties intending to block the referendum bill so it will not happen. So stop worrying about that referendum which will never happen and worry about "the worst economic crisis since the war".
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redcliffe62,

04/05/2009 02:37:28
unlike gray, alex can do more than one thing at the same time. when you are led by a leash from london then the ability to think differently and have your own opinion is by its very nature completely unnecessary.
45

W Smith,

Middle East 04/05/2009 03:29:17
#4 Rufus

Very funny.

SNP supporters need to lighten up a bit - in a zero gravity sort of way.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

04/05/2009 03:52:59
#55 Grupenfurher Smith,

No racism today??
47

Designers For Labour,

An-Seo 04/05/2009 04:46:26
Why are you all so nasty to Iain. He may know very little about good governance, economics, or leadership, but he has soft hands, a devil may care attitude, and impeccable taste in bed linen. It's because of cybernat bullies like you that Iain had to lie to his wife all these years.

THE SNP FORCES GAYS TO STAY IN THE CLOSET!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 05:51:05
Curiously, I cannot find any reference to this in the Hootsmon.

"A Scottish opinion poll for TNS/System 3, and reported in the Sunday Herald (03/05/09), has shown the SNP continuing to win the support of the Scottish public at Holyrood in an unprecedented mid-term poll, as well as closing the gap on Labour for Westminster as the second anniversary of the SNP’s historic election victory takes place.

The poll, which is the first post-budget poll in Scotland, puts the SNP 12 points ahead of Labour for the Holyrood constituency vote and 10 points heads in the regional vote. This compares to a 1 point lead on the constituency vote in the 2007 elections, and a 2 point lead on the regional vote.

On the basis of this poll the SNP would win 58 seats – 11 more than in 2007 – and be the only party to make gains.

The poll also shows the SNP closing the gap at Westminster to only 4 points compared to a massive 20% lead four years ago."


Were on the march with Alex's army!


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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 05:57:28
22 RufusT-Firefly,


“Yes indeed. Bully Wee Alba (Mr 10%) taught Salmond everything he knows”


There is indeed a closer connection than you may imagine.


Now if you had invested in a calculator instead of a plasma car and a couple of blue ray-guns, you too might be able to calculate what 10% of any given figure is.

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04/05/2009 06:38:50
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 07:08:52
#59 Bully Boy.

Dont tell me. . . .

You are going to be the Salmond's spaceship pilot for the inaugural SNP manned flight to MARS from RAF leuchars?

The movie "Space Chimps" comes to mind.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 07:15:36
#49 Cynicus

I have to say I am disappointed in you. You got off to a good start on here when you first came on. Unfortunately it has been downhill all the way for you since then.

Are you telling me that because I say you have employee a 'typical Nat tactic' is synonymous with accusing you of being a Nat?

Can you not see the difference?
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 07:17:48
'employee' should have read 'employed'

Damned T9 on my phone.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 07:21:25
#47 You can dig up as many posts as you like.

My point still remains however. The 2 statements that you reproduced are not inconsistent.
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 07:31:01
What a lot of guff.I normally don't read any of the stories.This time I have,instead of glancing at the headlines.By what stretch of the imagination is this,and the rest of the"Headlines",described as reporting.
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04/05/2009 07:40:02
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04/05/2009 07:41:41
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 04/05/2009 07:48:41
Doofus: Agts Broon, Dahling & Grey are doing a great job for the SNP. I for one hope they keep it up. I AM WITH YOU BROTHER!!! :)

ps. I have some Xerox & mobile phones going cheap...
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 07:52:45
Rufus

Who is this “If” to whom you refer?

"Never underestimate Gordon Brown. If is a tough political operator. Anything can happen between now and next May."-#43, RufusT-Firefly,
01/05/2009 06:54:22
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smokey joe 1,

04/05/2009 07:58:54
Iain Gray ,ha ha ha ha .
Cant think of anything else to say about this ranting silly little man,ha ha ha ha ha ha ha what a tube,
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04/05/2009 07:59:18
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 07:59:31
71 smee
You've upset more than that.Your parents are beside themselves wondering where they went wrong.
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 08:01:02
73 rufus
Why do youy have aphone if you have no friends?
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smokey joe 1,

04/05/2009 08:15:53
I'm in Yorkshire on holiday at the moment ,when I showed my relatives Iain Gray on you tube they were howling with laughter even the dug was guffawing at his performance.
At the bit where Elmer offered to answer in portuguese
my dear old aunt had to be picked up off the floor.
Keep up the good work Elmer you are like Wendy, an SNP asset.
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 08:15:57
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It's a better achievement than you missing the point.lie bour and the tories will do what it takes for votes.At least the SNP are doing the right thing.Anyway with the budget cuts from westmidden we'll be lucky to stay afloat on broons ss brittania
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scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 04/05/2009 08:20:59
Who listens to the the Grey slither,he is less important than Bendy Wendy,and some might ask WHO?
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Pavla,

Irvine 04/05/2009 08:33:28
Kind of think that the statements we have ended boom and bust,British jobs for British workers and Iraq is open for business are not too clever either my unionist friends.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 08:41:01
if this is the best that they can come up with in the way of anti SNP propaganda they really are scraping the barrel.
It just shows how well our Scottish Government is doing when the utterings of the pathetic Ian Gray are today's doom and gloom.

The public do not hold the same viewpoint if the latest opinion poll is to be believed.
12 points ahead in the constituency vote and 10% ahead in the regional vote.
That would relate to 58 seats for the SNP>
Saor Alba
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Marian,

04/05/2009 08:41:37
Brown and Gray are the charisma-bypassed "leaders" of this increasingly irrelevant bunch of champagne socialists who have farcically, via their so-called "Scottish" Labour Party, run (and ruined) the entire UK since 1997.

We have had two Scots prime ministers in that time: one a lying war criminal responsible for more than a million civilian deaths in an illegal war in Iraq; and the second - responsible for the destruction of the 4th greatest economy in the world.

Now we have a Scots Chancellor - Darling - who has started the printing presses that will spew forth rivers of paper pounds - effectively devaluing the real pound for the second time in one year and creating hyper-inflation which will ruin savers and pensioners for good this time.

As a Scot I am ashamed to say that these Scots New Labour politicians have bankrupted 60 million people - and you aint seen nothing yet, if they are ever elected into power again.
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Lumpy Dan,

Partick 04/05/2009 08:42:30
Desperate days indeed when the unionist apologists here wait with baited breath on every press friendly utterance from a second rate loser like Gray/Grey .

Devolution was supposed to kill the movement for Indendance "stone dead" we were told ..well well well ..not only is it flourishing half way through a first term in office but sees its only serious rival in Scotland falling apart at the seams .
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 08:53:05
73 RufusT-Firefly,


“Bully Boy, that post was made from my phone”


Oh I see, it is all clear now.


You don’t actually mean either the words or the numbers which you actually post.


This being the case, why do you bother posting at all?
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 08:59:35
Fellow Nationalists can I suggest boycotting this thread.
The Unionists want to keep us on here so they can attack Scotland and the SNP.
Better for us to be on the Friends (LOL)come to help battered Brown.
We can make all the same points on there and show which is the "truly news worthy story"
Brown and Labour in meltdown deserves 500 hits not this piece of contrived rubbish
See you over there ,and don't worry the vichy will follow.
Let's make them dance to a Scottish jig!!
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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 04/05/2009 09:02:02
How strange that some folk are that compelled that they change their computer clock to be first to post, continue to stay online posting petty comments until 01.07am and THEN start using their MOBILE to post comments on the same story 6 hours later ?

I find it bizzare that someone is THAT sad !!
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The Strategist,

04/05/2009 09:10:48
Iain Gray said the "gaffe" showed Mr Salmond was obsessed with "separation".

The word Mr Gray is not separation it's independence.
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Phil C,

04/05/2009 09:16:56
OK Rufus and Smee. We get the message. You don't like Alex and the SNP very much. Many others do and are quite happy with developments. We look forward to a democratic referendum when it comes. It certainly isn't 'futile' as Smee ignorantly states.
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Phil C,

04/05/2009 09:26:45
"During the worst economic crisis since the war, the rest of Scotland is planning for recovery but Alex Salmond is planning for a referendum," said Ian Gray.

The irony!! Labour gave birth to this economic crisis by starting illegal wars and not knowing what the financial institutions were up to. Many don't want Labour jeopordising any recovery.

I for one would rather achieve independence sooner rather than later. Labour will be out of things whatever happens. I just hope the Tories are fairer to deal with than sleaze-ridden, dishonest and selfish Labour.
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www.r-o-a-r.org,

SNP 41% - Labour 29% 04/05/2009 09:29:24
Labour are running scared -

TNS/System 3 poll has the Nationalists on 41% in the Holyrood constituency vote and Labour on 29%. The figures for the regional vote are 40% for the SNP and 30% for Labour.

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morris,

edinburgh 04/05/2009 09:29:57
Labour are facing humilitation at the polls.

I hardly think that a claim that Scotland is on her way to independence can be called a "gaffe" therefore,especially when it comes from a party whose butts are about to be fried !

If (and I expect it is now inevitable) Scotland wakens to her LAST TORY GOVERNMENT,she must surely witness a Labour Party in Scotland pulling the plug on the United Kingdom. They have no choice if the scale of defeat is that which the opinion polls have consistently predicted.
This will NOT be a Labour government in 4 years of opposition,It will be at least twenty and I suspect they may never form a UK government again,simply because SCOTLAND will not be in it.
If anybody is going to have egg on their face its Ian Gray!

This says far more about the desperation of the Quisling party than it does the SNP !
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tommy M,

Scotland 04/05/2009 09:34:22
What Purnell said at the end of his speech about rent and housing allowance

"This announcement fits with the wider DWP and Treasury review of housing benefit, which is currently under way. A key outcome of the review will be to ensure fairness for the taxpayer and to ensure that housing benefit provides the right incentives to work."

Ensuring fairness for the tax payer? Yeah,right, that's what the sleazegate party is about, especially you Mr £10,000 EXTRA RENT CLAIM Purnell.

Or maybe that was just a "gaffe" on your part?

Shame on you Labour sleaze party.
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tommy M,

Scotland 04/05/2009 09:37:56
Mr Gray, if you want to call it separation, then i, for one, would be delighted to be separated from a Wetsminster government which has become so embroilled in sleaze and lies and corruption a parliament, which has done nothing to further the interests of Scotland nor her people.

Call it what you will, Mr Gray.

It's time.
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Saul Tyre,

04/05/2009 09:40:24
Mercutio #21 showed his weakness in maths when he wrote:

"If Scotland is 66% on the way to independence why do they only have 37% of the Holyrood seats, of course Mr Salmond is an economist he is good with figures."

1) The SNP do not need to win 100 % of the seats.
2) An increase of one third would mean just over 49 % of the seats. One third is an approximate figure. And a good one.
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morris,

edinburgh 04/05/2009 09:43:08
83

Whilst I would obviously agree with 99% of what you correctly say,we should bear in mind that Darling is in fact a LONDONER and whilst ecuctated at Lorretto (fee paying school in Musselburgh which Ian Gray is also from apparently,which has close ties with Fettes College where Blair and Broon were educated)his biggest claim to be Scottish is his grandfather was a TORY MP in Edinburgh.

He was/is elected in a Scottish seat (Edinburgh West)but we should make the distinction between his being a (Scottish seat) elected MP and a Scottish born MP.It makes no difference to his ability to do the job of course.In either case he is the same disaster.
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morris,

edinburgh 04/05/2009 09:45:43
101 I did i again It should be EDINBURGH SOUTH
WEST .I have a mental block dealing with Edinburgh Pentlands and Edinburgh South West being almost the same seat and revert to Edinburgh West spontaneously (where I once lived).
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Tartan Viking,

04/05/2009 09:49:22
Roofass, Smee and all.

One thing's for sure, under Lie-bour we are more than two thirds of the way to economic oblivion, thanks to your incompetent lunatics.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 09:49:57
The Leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party may well regret ever making this forecast?

You cannot cajole or will the Scottish Electorate into
voting for something as important as constitutional change?

Voters have a habit of being contrary and doing the very opposite, as has been shown with the vote for the European Constitution in France, Ireland, and the Netherlands.

You can only attempt to convince or persuade the voters, and so far, this has not been done conclusively. Yet, this one will still run and run.

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Queen D,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 09:52:55
Anyone wishing to brighten their day should high tail it to the Daily mash site , where truth and honest reporting have NEVER been forgotten!
Unlike certain Scottish "quality " papers.
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morris,

edinburgh 04/05/2009 09:57:43
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Whilst Scotlands future has yet to be determined(its the future after all) and what effect any statement has on that furure is contentious,it cannot have escaped your attention that the SNP only have to win ONCE where the Unionists have to defeat the SNP for ever!
Based upon simple arithmetic therefore I would say that sooner or later Salmond WILL BE CORRECT.

If anything YOU MAY HAVE CAUSE TO REGRET YOUR STATEMENT !
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neoloon,

Moray 04/05/2009 10:00:45
Better an orbit than an obit.
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lachlan,

04/05/2009 10:02:17
i find it strange that when the leader of a party whose reason for existing is to achieve independence for scotland,is ridiculed for expressing these views.yes we are in difficult times and political opinion differs as to how to tackle these problems.i am sure within the s.n.p. as in other political parties debate is ongoing as to how best to tackle these issues.an independent scotland is the aim of the s.n.p and its supporters whatever the economic climate or any other climate for that matter.
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IainGlasgow,

04/05/2009 10:04:53
One third of the way was establishing the Scottish parliament

Second third was the election of an SNP administration

Sounds about right
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tommy M,

Scotland 04/05/2009 10:10:30
Health Secretary Alan Johnson insists that he has no "aspiration" to replace Gordon Brown as Labour leader.
Mr Johnson insists that Broon is doing "a better job" than he could do.

Yikes! Chr*..st help us!
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 04/05/2009 10:28:13
How is it a gaffe ? Sounds about right to me !
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Walter Ego,

Durness 04/05/2009 10:40:54
What about the Council Tax freeze?
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hoblar,

04/05/2009 10:44:17
Fact is that two labour trolls are forced to post prolifically, whereas the Independently minded come across as punters, mainly because they are in their droves, just like real life in Scotland!

The same situation applies to the support the uk government enjoys; virtually zero with a few desperate clowns pretending otherwise.


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danbob,

04/05/2009 10:47:30
Hurry up a find the other third Alex. Take your oil that will last all of fifty years. (Nothing like thinking long term)and then the english can get the dead elephant that is Scotland off it's back.
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Fairfax,

04/05/2009 10:55:36
Morris (101): "Whilst I would obviously agree with 99% of what you correctly say,we should bear in mind that Darling is in fact a LONDONER"

He's a Londoner by birth, certainly. Would you therefore argue that Tony Blair was Scottish, being born in Edinburgh?

"we should make the distinction between his being a (Scottish seat) elected MP and a Scottish born MP."

An interesting distinction. Would you then deny the possibility of becoming a naturalized Scot say?
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danbob,

04/05/2009 10:57:07
129# Yeh and every penny will be needed to pay Scotland scroungers, alchoholics, and druggies. not to mention your bulging civil service and failing banks. Pure fantasy world if you think £500 billion will make Scotland rich. Now remind me again, how much did the bail out of scottish banks cost ?????
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Fairfax,

04/05/2009 11:00:26
Wardog (129): "Has it crossed your wee mind what you'll do without oil revenues?"

The £10 billion per year is roughly balanced by higher spending on Scotland's public sector and welfare state, so its net effect for England is roughly zero. In any case, £10 billion is 1% of England's GDP, so it's hardly a major contribution.

For comparison, the annual cost of UK incapacity benefit is slightly higher at £12 billion, so there will be many ways for the next government to make savings.
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brownlie,

04/05/2009 11:08:23
131 danbob

Brilliant and well-researched post! It is an established fact that there are no "scroungers, alchoholics(sic) and druggies" in England. There is full unemployment and the very few who are unemployed are too proud to claim benefit. Pure fantasy? Certainly not!
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 11:08:35
129 Wardog salus populi suprema lex esto,04/05/2009 10:49:42

Nice Boycott Wardog.

Good to see you are true to your word.

Typical Nat behaviour.

What is the next stage in your protest?
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danbob,

04/05/2009 11:08:52
It all remindes me of children arguing behind the mothers back. Child one wants independence, child two dosn't, meanwhile mother England just wishes they would both just go away.
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danbob,

04/05/2009 11:10:16
133# Yes but your scroungers take up a bigger percentage of what your GDP will be.
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alanh,

ek 04/05/2009 11:17:04
#1 sm
"Which leaves the question of what the Nats are actually going to do for the next two years"

Like the rest of us , sm, our govt are trying to help get thru the nu liebore mismanagement that has left the country in a depression, our current union dividend



"Why don't they just admit their lies and incompetence and resign now?" Yep more and more people are thinking the same way about the nu liebore sleaze and spin govt at westmonster. The only problem there is that the only option down south is camerooooooooooon and his buddies.
Lucky we have an alternative up here
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 11:18:37
'Everybody should ignore this thread as it is anti SNP (except me of course).

signed

Wardog - man of principle
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alanh,

ek 04/05/2009 11:19:52
loved the unionist drone love in at the early start to this tho.
Wasn't it nice for the scotsman to find a negative SNP story for you both to get your teeth into since youv both been missing a lot during the last week.

pity yer both toothless tho
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Queen D,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 11:23:55
Now did'nt you just love the article in the Daily Mash which Wardog was kind enough to bring you in full?
I would have tried to be clever and given a tiny url but I am totally incompetent when it comes to such activities.

Wardog, I particularly like the Douglas Alexander and Jim Murphy descriptions!
They did make me guffaw with glee!
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MoiraMac,

04/05/2009 11:30:49
Rufus! You are fascinating. Got any more computer hacking tips?

Sit!

Where's my 'pooper scooper'?
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dude,

wishaw 04/05/2009 11:36:01
Labour leader Iain Gray said: "Nobody believes this SNP back-slapping.

"Of their five main promises - help for students, help for first-time buyers, smaller class sizes, matching our school building plans and abolishing council tax - all have been broken by their own admission.

"The SNP were not straight with the Scottish public last time - but people will not be conned again. Scotland deserves honesty in politics."


Yes Scotland deserves honesty and they wont be getting it from the likes of you and your lying comrades in power
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Darien,

Panama 04/05/2009 11:39:16
#110 Wardog: A common factor amongst all New Labour cabinet members and also many of their MP 'colleagues' is that very few if any of them has any business/industry experience. Their only 'skill' is politics (if that is a skill) and how to be a New Labour aparatchnik, or rather a public sector trough piggy.

Their 'illustrious' previous career experiences are as follows:

Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP, ex Scottish Labour Party worker 1977-83/(i.e. spin doctor)
Rt Hon Alistair Darling MP ex Councillor
Rt Hon David Miliband MP ex politics Research Fellow
Rt Hon Jack Straw MP ex Councillor/Barrister
Rt Hon Jacqui Smith MP ex Teacher
Rt Hon Alan Johnson MP ex Full Time Officer of Union of Communication Workers
Rt Hon Lord Mandelson ex Councillor, and MP (spin doc)
Rt Hon Hilary Benn MP ex Councillor/Research Officer Association of Scientific, Tech and Mgmt
Rt Hon Douglas Alexander MP ex Parliamentary Researcher / Speechwriter for Gordon Brown MP
Rt Hon John Hutton MP ex Lecturer in Law
Rt Hon Harriet Harman QC MP ex Legal Officer for Liberty
Rt Hon Hazel Blears MP ex solicitor and Councillor
Rt Hon Geoff Hoon MP ex lecturer
Rt Hon Ed Balls MP ex “active member of the TGWU”
Rt Hon Edward Miliband MP ex special adviser to the Chancellor of the Exchequer
Rt Hon James Purnell MP ex researcher to Rt. Hon. Tony Blair MP
Rt Hon Shaun Woodward MP ex working for Esther Rantzen as a researcher on That's Life
Rt Hon Baroness Royall of Blaisdon ex special adviser to Neil Kinnock
Rt Hon Andy Burnham MP ex researcher for Tessa Jowell MP
Rt Hon John Denham MP ex worked for Christian Aid, Oxfam and other 'agencies'
Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP ex Economic Researcher for late John Smith MP
Rt Hon Paul Murphy MP ex lecturer
Rt Hon Jim Murphy MP ex President of National Union of Students (also has a Hornby train set)
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Gorach,

Dunadd 04/05/2009 12:07:03
Carry on Eck.
Never mind the rantngs of the weak and timid.
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brownlie,

04/05/2009 12:09:20
Interesting to note that Gray states "The rest of Scotland is planning for the recovery". I must have missed the news regarding precisely what his and "Scottish" Labour's plans are for the "recovery".
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The Scotchman,

04/05/2009 12:11:49
#130 Galloway says Blair is not a Scot.

The Daily Heil routinely just please themselves who is and isn't Scots depending how good they are - even saying Darling is "Scots-born".

Pretty sure email McBride was also touted as Scots born on their comments pages. Of Irish parents; another London-born cockney.

Their mighty Tory leader Cameron is more Scottish blood than all this lot. If/when things go wrong, watch Cameron suddenly become a Scot for sure.
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brownlie,

04/05/2009 12:16:11
152 sm753

I take it from the tone of your postings that you would prefer that the Scottish Government should carry on with PFI/PPP rather than seek a more "value for money" alternative?
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/05/2009 12:29:42
#152, sm753.

What's your fascination with receiving pocketmoney???

Also, what's your fascination with paying over the odds for goods???

When you grow up you will put behind you your foolish ways and, you will realise that it is important to get as much value for your money as possible.

You will, also, find out that consistently being negative results in your ostracisation.
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bluepict,

04/05/2009 13:03:57
As the independence train picks up speed,the dirty tricks and anti-Salmond/SNP drivel will too.
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Glasgow 04/05/2009 13:10:01
Was this not yesterday's story too ?

I really can't get my head around Labours faux criticism of Salmond prioritising independence. What do they expect him to do ?

Smee - regards to SFT etc you may have noticed a wee crisis in capitalism going on in the background ? I mean I realise it may not be as important as the Treaty of York and the legal position of Berwick but it has changed a few things. Globally as well as here.

Cynicus - why are you baiting Rufus ? He is NOT your equal. Find someone your own level to bait, t'would be more fun.
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Observer,,

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The Herald have a story about the SNP delivering 53% of their manifesto commitments within 2 years.

Not bad concidering they are a minority government in the worst financial crisis since WW2.

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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 13:43:27
SNP Plans To Force Broadcast of Jock Rock

Further proof - as if it were needed - that we have elected a bunch of utter cretins.

The Scottish Executive is now apparently planning to ensure that a minimum proportion of music broadcast by Scottish radio stations originates in Scotland.

It's a strange world in which politicians shy away from protecting jobs in manufacturing industry but seek to protect those which are entirely dependent on personal taste.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6210947.ece
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Glasgow 04/05/2009 13:47:53
177 ''It's a strange world in which politicians shy away from protecting jobs in manufacturing industry''

Rufus I am confused. Yesterday you were saying that Margaret Thatcher was one of the greatest PM's in history ?

And yet her whole raison d'etre was NOT to protect jobs in manufacturing industry. Which you, by your post, do not appear to agree with ?

You are not being very consistent here.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 13:47:59
"Michael Russell, the SNP’s new culture minister, was last month in Canada where he found himself exposed to a system the Canadians seem very proud of — CanCon, or Canadian content. By law, Canadian radio stations are obliged to feature in their output music at least 35% of which is Canadian in origin. CanCon was introduced in 1971 to tackle the reality that Canadian broadcasting was finding itself swamped by American imports. "

FANTASTIC Mike Russell goes on holiday, hears a radio station and suddenly he's looking to enforce a system on Scotland that was founded 40 years ago in Canada.

The SNP reach new levels of idiocy on a daily basis.

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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 13:51:10
179 Observer,,Glasgow 04/05/2009 13:47:53
Rufus I am confused. Yesterday you were saying that Margaret Thatcher was one of the greatest PM's in history ?
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That was then and this is now.

The 1980's Britain was a very different time and place from today.

Even you must be able to see that.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 13:54:43
With the word global on everyone`s lips just now, along comes the SNP to play the parochial card.

This kind of move is the kind of nationalism that beats hard in the SNP, but has been loath to assert itself since the party won power at the last election.

Internationally, the music that is played on radio is still influenced by major players in the industry, and that`s another kind of corruption, once known as payola, but we shouldn`t be looking to replace one kind of flawed system with another.

The idea that indigenous music should have some kind of legal protection in Scotland is quite appalling but this could be the tip of the iceberg.

Mandatory Gaelic in state schools is another idea that has been discussed in the past, and it would be no surprise to see this happening in the future.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 13:55:33
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Go away!
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Seeing as you asked so nicely, Get Lost.
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Glasgow 04/05/2009 13:56:16
182 Not really. There are parallels which are uncanny. And let's not forget the roots of this crisis originate in the Thatcher era. Which makes it very ironic the Tories are about to be the beneficiaries of the disastrous policies they initiated.

No wonder I want independence. This deja vu is bad for the brain.
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 13:58:37
The Great Eye away to the south looked out and was ill pleased with his minions.The Nazgul were plotting and even Shelob had made moves against him.It seemed only the treacherous wizard Sarumandelson was the only one still doing his bidding.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 14:03:55
189 Tut tut. I think he means Boys Brigade.


''true Christian manliness''


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brownlie,

04/05/2009 14:10:07
184 Rufus

The word "global" is not on every-one's lips apart from Brown and his apologists in a vain attempt to divert attention from his incompetent handling of the economy.

Have you got an idea what plans to aid the recovery Iain Gray has put forward? I can't find them anywhere.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 14:33:57
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Have you got an idea what plans to aid the recovery Iain Gray has put forward? I can't find them anywhere.
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Hi Brownlie.

Iain Gray is not in power.

What are Salmond's plans apart from the very important Radio Jock Shock?
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 14:37:43
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 14:38:48
195 Col. Blimp­IV*

So you are all for censored and restricted radio Blimpy?
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irenecu,

Kirkcaldy 04/05/2009 14:41:07
When the sleaze ridden,grossly incompetent,snouts in the trough,War Criminals Party,are kicked out,I think we will be 4/5ths of the way to Independence.
It's coming,and it's time.
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Glasgow 04/05/2009 14:43:30
195 I didn't bother replying to the trolling posts from Rufus Colonel. He shows his own parochialism by immediately associating Scottish ''indigenous'' music with Gaelic. Of course Gaelic is an important part of our culture but we have so much more. We actually have a very thriving arts and music community - that happens when nations re-assert themselves. I don't have any problem whatsoever with Govt encouraging that. I don't know the details of Mike Russell's proposals but I will await them with interest.

It is a strange thing to do to object to celebrating your own culture. And with one as diverse as ours it is doubly puzzling.
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Ayrshire 04/05/2009 14:46:54
Poor RufusT-Firefly.

Labour in London are showing signs of serious in-fighting and some even questioning Gordon Brown's leadership.

They are trailing the Conservatives by around 20 points.

In Scotland, Iain Gray has around 7% support. Alex Salmond has more support than all the other leaders combined.

And the national figures show the SNP in double digit leads in both constituency and regional voting intentions.

But I suppose Labour did hold on to a council seat in Stirling - feeble.
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Glasgow 04/05/2009 14:48:47
201 What do you think we have now Rufus ? With a few honourable exceptions most music played on the radio is either golden oldies or commercialised pap. I would think you would welcome new bands and new music. It could encourage the stations to update their other playlists.

I grew up with John Peel. There is nothing like that now.
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Deekie fae Midstocket,

Aberdeen 04/05/2009 14:49:38
Typical Labour:nit-pick about AS while London Labour continues to destroy our country with its anti-Scottish policies. Thank goodness the Labour Quislings will be in the wilderness for 20 years or more. Roll on Independence!
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 04/05/2009 14:55:27
-- of a clearly articulated sense of our strategic location in the world

Let's look at a globe. China is clear as to its location, history and intentions. Japan has this peculiar intermix of politicians, bankers, and gangsters. Waiting to be articulated. But not any weirder than the UK set-up while Gordon Brown flies about the place doing deals as bidded as happens to all UK PMs.

Scots could throw in the towel and see nothing in their strategic location. And lose everything.
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brownlie,

04/05/2009 14:55:32
Ah, Rufus, there you are. High fives and "punching the air in delight" to you.

Yes, I have become aware that Mr Gray is not in power, nor is he likely to ever be in power, but he is, according to the article, Scottish Labour leader and he talks about planning for the recovery.

I was wondering if, from your privileged position, you had any ideas what the plans are? He talks about planning for the recovery every time a referendum is mentioned but fails to inform us as to the substance of these plans and how well they're working.

According to him, Salmond, is too busy planning the referendum to take any action to aid the recovery, so we have to depend on Gray to get us out of the mess.
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 15:22:18
211 Yok
Please elaborate on your post I find the reasoning hard to follow.Due too it's twisted outlay.
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argonaut,

east lothian 04/05/2009 15:33:11

should these forums not be renamed MADDOX FIREFLY - former writes this garbage the latter responds to this garbage with more garbage - they both just spout complete nonsense .

fact - AS is and will always be more popular than IG
fact - PFI was an economical disaster and bordered on fraud.
fact - Scotlands people and Holyrood reject Trident and any new nuclear power stations.
fact - Poll tax and council tax are both unfair - all taxes should be based on one's ability to pay - reflect what they earn !
fact - labour in scotland have always and will always have their strings pulled by labour westminister..
fact - and this is fundamantal - since Labour lost the last scots election they have behaved like a tearaway moody angry child - to watch some of their MSP's frothing at the mouth - creating obstacles at every govermnent motion. the people see this week in week out and it just looks so bad . labour mentality is they had some god given solemn right to govern scotland and how dare the scots choose otherwise. us scots can be fickle and id say a lot of scots have the following attitude - labour party ?? nae i canny be arsed with them no more
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brownlie,

04/05/2009 15:33:15
210 Col.Blimp

That's right, Colonel, don't take any nonsense from the lower ranks.

Rufus,

Sorry, can't wait any longer to hear the plans - some other time, perhaps? I think it was Conan who said "the best laid plans of mice and men gang aft a-Gray".

Welcome back, Jackie and Meths - hope you haven't been too busy planning a referendum!
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 15:33:52
216 Meths
All lie bour voters will be going to Spotify.They only hear what they want.
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Alba 04/05/2009 16:08:15
226 sm753
Does telling us about your shallow lifestyle really compensate for having no friends?
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Pilrig,

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226 - pfi = ripping off the taxpayer.
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Alba 04/05/2009 16:12:32
231 Pilrig
PFI=Public are F***ing Idiots
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04/05/2009 16:20:51
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#198

Hi Rupus.

Let me help.

Here's some of the latest about Salmond's plans to aid recovery.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6122673.ece
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Yes that is a brilliant plan from Salmond.

He is going to spend £95 million given to him by the European Regional Development Fund and the European Social Fund.

What a masterstroke. How did he come up with that cunning plan?

Step aside Timothy Geithner, Alex Salmond is here!
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04/05/2009 16:28:42
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I grew up with John Peel.
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A bit too much information there.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 16:29:26
228 sm753,


“Burlington Arcade, Muttley”



Splendid post smee/Rufus.


Whilst hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens are losing their jobs, their livelihoods, their homes and their families, you are recommending visiting shoe shops some 400 miles away.

Awe-inspiring indeed!


Balloon.
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Scotfree,

Erskine 04/05/2009 16:30:17
#4
"Once we have independence and therefore no army, navy or RAF, do not fear. The SNP is going to turn RAF Leuchers into the new Cape Canaveral."

With Scotland’s vast oil wealth and resources, human and material, we will have every need to defend our homeland with our own army, navy and air force. The addition of a commercial space capability, which will make it the world leader in space travel, will be a welcome bonus and symbolic of the progressive forward thinking nation all true Scots aspire to.
The army itself does not hesitate to speak of the "real tartan army" so creating a Scottish Army will be no problem. Currently Britain does not have an air force or a Navy, both of which are behoven to, and exist for the benefit of, the Saxe Coburg family and their dependents (hence the name Royal and its it's use for finding lost jewellery, helicopter flights to girlfriends and escorting royals on endless holidays abroad.) A Scottish Navy would be essential in defending our 12000km coastline and our vast oil gas and fishing resource. As a key component in the great circle route to North America the Scottish Air force will be a key component in the defence of Scotland and Europe.
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04/05/2009 16:57:38
244# So pleased you havn't put my name to your memorial. I would like to see the back of the lot of you.
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04/05/2009 17:00:21
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Salmond is putting a plan together based on the advice of experts. Darling and Brown don't listen to the experts and, hence, don't have a plan.
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But Darling and Brown are the experts.

You just don't get it do you?
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04/05/2009 17:17:54
255# Oh good. I hope your unionist enemies will put me on theirs as well, because quite frankly never in the history of internet threads have I read so much tripe, to a lot of us the scots are fast becoming a sceptic spot on the ar*se of England
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Alba 04/05/2009 17:23:18
Ive just had a terrible vision dufus and smegol sitting round each others houses trying on clothes and drinking white wine spritzers.Worse yet in my head they look like the lovechildren of bliar and mandy.
Someone PLEASE take this vision out my head!
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261 Wardog
Aren't we all sceptical about him?
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Comfier than your stilettos.
AGH ANOTHER IMAGE!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 17:44:58
Burlington Arcade ? What a cliche. That's like thinking you get the best suits from Saville Row.

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You can't beat some nice Jimmy Choos although they might not fit Smee's clown feet. Or match his outfit.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 17:55:08
In my professional capacity, I have a number of clients who may well fall into the proposed 50% tax bracket.

None of these individuals actually fit the “loads-of-money” profile as exhibited by the Rufus/smee brand of Thatcher inspired wee band of innumerate and illiterate balloons.


Now, what does the most recent Scottish opinion poll say again.......................................?


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hi Danbob (258) this thread is madness. I came home from work, quickly read through it. @ 88 Scot & Proud of it (control freak that he is) is telling Nats to shun this thread & move over to a different one. The Scotsman will apparently be mortified, his best friend Wardog agrees. Wardog is now back here, & Proud Scot is talking to some other SNP followers & an English independent, no "Vichy" crowds as he predicted, to be seen.

Last nite Proud to be a Scot told Goldenayr not to speak to me because I "am a troll", well I'm not & he did (even asked me out!).

Honestly you Scots SNP supporters are going to have to raise your game & get organised. English independents are relying on you.
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Glasgow 04/05/2009 17:59:59
284 Oh come on you like the vaguely anarchic threads on here, from Scottish independence to cheese and shoes and back again. And you got asked out. Stop complaining.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 18:02:11
279 Yes they probably do ! Now I have a vision of them en-masse being led by the leader to a car crushing facility.....
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 18:03:28
286 Hello Meths - are you going to stick to that ? I recommend a little black dress and killer heels. Might not work for you 'though.
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jane shore,

04/05/2009 18:06:02

My apologies Observer, I do love cheese, especially proper Somerset cheddar, the real original stuff. Shoes too, Jimmy Choos are lovely, can you buy them in Glasgow?
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danbob,

04/05/2009 18:08:01
284# A shinning light in a weary world. How I wish Salmond would find his other third. However I fear we south of Gretna will have to suffer his pointless posturing for years to come.
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 18:16:19
284 Jane
So are you paying.I need a good drink to get these images out my head.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 18:17:09
289 You have to wax, and you blokes moan about shaving.

290 Yes. You can buy virtually anything in Glasgow, and we have indoor plumbing and street lighting too.

291 If you are south of Gretna then it is really none of your business. We don't stick our noses into your affairs.
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danbob,

04/05/2009 18:17:23
294# Move where? England is far better than Scotland. Only two good things come out of Scotland, ones whiskey, and the other is the road south. Now when are you scots going to do us all down here a favour and declare independence?
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jane shore,

04/05/2009 18:19:38

291 .....I do hope not Danbob, but it's looking more & more that it'll be up to us to do the deed, & get Independence up & running.

293.....very nice Methalions, soooo very Glasgow
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danbob,

04/05/2009 18:20:41
296# The scots have been sticking there snouts in since 1707. I know it must be hard when somebody points out that a great many south of the border want shut. It kind of pi**es on the SNPs bonfire does it not.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 18:20:57
297 why don't you beat us to it and declare independence first ?
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 18:22:51
297 dansaboob
Whiskey comes from Eire or USA.I like to think of the road south as an alimentary canal.
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jane shore,

london 04/05/2009 18:23:32

I'm not paying Goldenayr, (284) I have subsidised you lot enough out of my taxes.

Well that's nice Observer,(296) so no Garde de l'eau then, or is that just edinburgh?
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 18:25:41
dansaboob,jane
Ive said this before.Has there been a poll in england about Scottish independence.If not maybe we should commission one.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 18:26:39
302 No Edinburgh has indoor plumbing too. They have had that for several years now. Still working on the trams 'though.
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danbob,

04/05/2009 18:28:55
304# Yes there has goldeneye. And 53% wanted to wave goodbye. I bet it's considerably more now that your banks have shown us all about scottish thrift.
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 18:33:32
303 Col.
Hanging maybe?
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 18:35:23
307 Dansaboob
You are a helpful chappie.Now run along and show it to your mp.
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goldenayr,

04/05/2009 18:50:35
Ask u out ur dreaming u English bitxx he is married, and even if he was going to have an affair I have no worries as it certainly would'nt be with an English bitxx at like you
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danbob,

04/05/2009 18:50:35
310# Oh dear it must be really hard for the nats to realise that a bigger percentage of english want rid of the Scots than the other way round.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 18:53:48
Ah the troll tart is back , the sauna must have been quiet today
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 18:56:57
Word to the wise.Don't let the wife near the computer when you're busy elsewhere.
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 18:59:22
312 dansaboob
I've got what I wanted from you.Now crawl back into the shadows before the light burns you.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 19:13:11
314 Or your daughter. She once posted '' this has been a party political broadcast by Observer''.

312 Well why don't you do something about it instead of posting mince on here. Seems to me that you should be annoyed with Scottish unionists. Not us.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 19:20:59
31312 Well why don't you do something about it instead of posting mince on here. Seems to me that you should be annoyed with Scottish unionists. Not us
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observer you are replying to it as if he is genuine English poster.
He is rither a BNP rascist nazi or a Scottish unionist just using this thread as an excuse to attack Scotland
You have been here long enough to know ignoring trolls is the best policy.
Saor Alba
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goldenayr,

Alba 04/05/2009 19:26:13
Eche va folks
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 19:35:37
319 sm753
well I am glad you don't challenge the content .
We are agreed a rascist nazi.
Personally I blame the union,and Westminster
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jane shore,

london 04/05/2009 19:43:45

Observer @316 Obviously I speak only for myself. Danbob is capable of arguing for himself. A collective English cry for Independence is definately on the up, probably a lot of it is a knee jerk reaction to Scottish cries of separation. It's not high on the agenda tho'. & a dead duck politically. A waste of time for any political party to push. Unfortunately immigration from beyond the UK has taken over as the burning issue.

As I have commented before, I usually post on here as a reaction to anti-English comments, and there are enough of them.

Scottish/English, unionists/separatists what ever, it's a great site to post on & I hope the Scotsman keeps it going.


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Glasgow 04/05/2009 19:51:29
322 I have no time for anti-English comments myself. Lived there for years, liked the place, like the people. But I acknowledge a political divergence between our two countries which can't be denied by any objective person. Given that it would make sense for those who want an English Parliament to view us as allies, and we them.
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jane shore,

04/05/2009 19:52:16

Wardog you at this other peoples relationships thing again. Please apply to Relate, you are a dead natural for them.

Rufus is very funny, & you know what they say about laughing a woman into bed?
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 19:52:36
322 Jane Shore

Unfortunately immigration from beyond the UK has taken over as the burning issue
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Let us guess now about "Jane" could that be the statement of a Liberal??
I think not!
How about a Tory?
Again I think not!
Labour , no they don't have any policies.

MMm let us think Brit NAt , anti Scottish ,loathing of immigrants .
I am not Sherlock Holmes but I would hazard a guess Brit Nazi BNP.
Enough said best ignored!!
The blackshirts will be on you in East of london again if you are not careful.
Fortunately unlike the Little Englanders we in Scotland will welcome with open arms those fleeing oppression ,torture and much worse.
There is not hatred of Johnny Froeigner here best leave that to the British Nationalists and supporters of Westminster.
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Glasgow 04/05/2009 19:53:28
326 I should have said any SENSIBLE person who wants an English Parliament. I don't have any truck with any of that far right nonsense.
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Conan the Librarian™,

04/05/2009 19:55:13
319
Good Evening sm753

Here's an old pair of AM2's, he was never very good at putting them in.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 19:55:17
327 Yes but with Rufus you might die laughing at him first before anything could hapen :)

But good luck !
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Conan the Librarian™,

04/05/2009 19:55:40
http://www.boots4all.com/images/s1000ujx.jpg
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jane shore,

04/05/2009 20:05:30

Scottish & Proud........328 ...... wotcha doing back on this site?

Actually sweetie. I have been an active member of the Labour party for many a year. As were my parents, they now live in Scottish Highlands & vote SNP as a left wing option ....... Lucky them to have that opportunity.

My Grandfathers were a Jew & A Scot, so no probs. with immigration either. (The Jewish one was much the nicer)
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 20:10:35
337 Jane ,personally like probably everyone on here I do not believe a word of that last statement.
I am a Nationalist through and through and have no love for the Labour Party however, never ,ever in my puff have I heard anything like that form any Labour memeber or supporter.

"Unfortunately immigration from beyond the UK has taken over as the burning issue"

So begone with you !! Nazi rascists are not welcome here,
This is strictly for diametrically oppossed democratic unionists and democratic Nationalists!!
None of us hold any truck for BNP rascists like you.
This is probably the only thing the rest of us agree with
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Scottish and Proud,

glasgow 04/05/2009 20:15:02
LOl sm753
sorry smee a thousand apologies however when on my soap box kind of lose it capiche amigo?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 20:19:21
334 Err mainly voting intentions Smee.
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jane shore,

04/05/2009 20:19:54

I don't why I bother with you Scottish & Proud (338) but please read my post again. I wasn't in anyway approving racism, just annoyed that it is such an issue politically in England,

PS Grandfather from the clan Brown in Huntly Aberdeenshire....boring little place.
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Conan the Librarian™,

04/05/2009 20:22:40
Don't worry S and P, he does it with bloody Latin as well;-)
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Media at One,

04/05/2009 20:23:33
Alex Salmond is fast becomming the most disliked politician in the history of Scottish politics. More disturbing for the SNP is that he is probably the least effective as well.

Salmond IS obsessed with independence. His fanatical approach to an issue that even he knows the majority of Scots would probably vote against is quite troubling. His approach to this issue is not that of a healthy minded individual.
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Scottish and Proud,

Scotland 04/05/2009 20:25:53
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JANObserver @316 Obviously I speak only for myself. Danbob is capable of arguing for himself. A collective English cry for Independence is definately on the up, probably a lot of it is a knee jerk reaction to Scottish cries of separation. It's not high on the agenda tho'. & a dead duck politically. A waste of time for any political party to push. Unfortunately immigration from beyond the UK has taken over as the burning issue.

As I have commented before, I usually post on here as a reaction to anti-English comments, and there are enough of them.

Scottish/English, unionists/separatists what ever, it's a great site to post on & I hope the Scotsman keeps it going
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IMMIGARATION FROM BEYOND THE UK HAS TAKEN OVER AS THE BURNING ISSUE
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Jane Shore 337
My Grandfathers were a Jew & A Scot, so no probs. with immigration either. (The Jewish one was much the nicer)
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Rather contradictory statements ,it is either your burning issue or you have no probs with it
It cannot be both so choose.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 20:27:29
Media one i thought it was Cape town where you lived not the planet Zog
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Observer,,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 20:30:38
346 I hesitate to stick my neb in, but I think Jane is saying that immigration has become the burning issue South of the border, not that she is against immigration herself.

The post was addressed to me and that's how I read it.

Sadly I also agree with her. The rise of the BNP and both Labour and Tory parties descent into the pit to fight them off has made immigration a major factor in English politics.
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jane shore,

04/05/2009 20:31:14

For the last time...S&P......racism is not my burning isue (read the post slowly) . I think it's an English political problem. You are almost as boring as Huntly.

goodnite.







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Queen D,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 20:32:46
Media 1 , thanks for the best laugh I've had all day with the exception of the Daily Mash that is!
Awaaay!
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 20:35:34
JS I have read it several times as has Clark Kent we are of the same opinion you are on here to try and stir up racial hatred.
There is none here and your postings will not make it happen.
glad you are saying good night we are better off without you and your bile.
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jane shore,

london 04/05/2009 20:37:34

Thankyou Observer. your explanation @ 348 is better than mine.

And now another paranoid troll expert @ 349. I've stirred enough trouble... goodnite all.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 04/05/2009 21:12:30
#346, SAP.

Give it a rest as you're beginning to sound as deranged as Rumpus.

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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 21:25:25
357
Frank I did not know you were in charge of what people are allowed to post>
In future if you like I will send posts ot oyu for clearance.
The owman was a BNP troll opposed to self determination of my country as well as disparaging to all in our nation.
You might meekly accept that I don't.
How you can liken me ot a Unionist troll like
rufus is rather insulting.
You talk of rants i read your contribution on Thatcher thread , now that's a rant!!!
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danbob,

04/05/2009 21:44:59
359# Do you drink your moniker? What's the matter didums don't you like the fact that those nasty english you are happy to slag off don't like Scots in return.
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danbob,

04/05/2009 22:04:36
361# Well done three quarters of your family. Now if you could just persuade the rest of Scotland you would be doing England one big favour.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 22:13:00
358 Scottish and Proud,Glasgow 04/05/2009 21:25:25

I thought you were boycotting this thread along with man of principle and revolutionary War 'Emily Pankhurst' Dog?
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Brianwci,

04/05/2009 22:26:39
That TSN?system3 poll is incredible for a Government smack in the mid term.

All the anti SNP articles and comments from Scotsman and the BBC clearly having no effect on the SNP's popularity.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 22:32:14
Wardog, I see you got all my posts about you deleted.

What a sap.

Dishes it out all day but when you give it back to him he goes crying to the moderator like a baby.

Pathetic.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 22:32:49
Oh dear, swine flu outbreak at Noahs Ark nursery.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 22:44:07
364 I was my Jambo buddy ,however we had easily slapped away the pathetic uninoist rabble there so thought I would come here to assist in seeing you off here too
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 22:47:22
You should try a hunger strike next time.

I will back you on it.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 22:50:55
my body is a temple Rufus I can't do that and besides that is the modus operandi of terrorists
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 22:51:35
372 Scottish and Proud,Glasgow 04/05/2009 22:44:07

Even my cleaner was shocked at your rapid capitulation.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 22:52:19
375 Scottish and Proud,Glasgow 04/05/2009 22:50:55
my body is a temple Rufus
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Aye the Temple of Doom.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 22:55:11
Oh rufus that hurt!!!

and besides nothing amusing on TV so thought i would looki n on your defence of the unin usually good for a laugh
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 22:57:33
Aye TV is grim tonight, unless you have the National Geographic Channel.

Do you have it?
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 22:59:40
Yeah got it , I missed Have i got news for you so will watch that now ,usually good for a laugh
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morris,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 22:59:44
130
Apologies for late reply. I have been otherwise busy.
I made it perfectly clear that it makes no difference to his being able to do the job of Chancellor (since clearly any such notion is ludicrous), and I have no problem with having an MP being born anywhere,and I am currently supporting an MSP from Yorkshire and a Westminster candidate from Northampton or somewhere nearby.I consider anybody living in Scotland to be a Scot (if they so desire) and that for me is the test. I don't discriminate at all is what I am saying.
You consider yourself to be one means you are in my eyes.
The distinction I make is that one should be open about ones birthplace since clearly to do otherwise would be disingenuous. I have no problem with Darling being born in London,but I have a major problem with any attempt to suggest or infer otherwise. I say only that honesty should prevail.Blair is a Scot by birth and represented an English seat. I again state only that which is factually correct. It makes no difference to his ability again.

I am not playing any racially motivated card here,simply stating the facts.
I don't have a problem with honesty,and nothing I have said is factually inaccurate to my knowledge. Its as simple as that !
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 23:01:46
380 Scottish and Proud,Glasgow 04/05/2009 22:59:40
Yeah got it , I missed Have i got news for you so will watch that now ,usually good for a laugh
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You should check out the whaling wars program on at the moment at 9-00 each night.

Pretty scary stuff.

In HD the pictures are fantastic.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 23:04:09
I'll look out for it,if only to get away from this addictive madness.
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 23:09:54
Spooks

You were secretly filmed eating a MacDonalds burger on Saturday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-MvNcJr5F4
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 23:11:57
385 rufus
Is that not A Labour list MSP?
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 23:17:34
Looked like the inside of Bute House.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 23:19:41
Naughty ! Naughty ! Rufus lol
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RufusT-Firefly,

04/05/2009 23:31:51
389 Spooks

Since your last birthday, clearly you have let yourself go.

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