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Published Date: 31 July 2008
FUEL poverty in Scotland is on the rise and will get much worse following huge rises in the price of gas and electricity, a government minister warned today.
Communities minister Stewart Maxwell said Scots will struggle to cope with a record 35% price rise levied by British Gas parent company Centrica.

The increase comes despite half-year profits of £992 million – 19% down on last year.

Mr Maxwell told the BBC's Good Morning Scotland he would not "condemn" the company for making money.

But he added: "We've got people really struggling because of all the difficulties in the economy and at the same time this will result in even more people being pushed into fuel poverty.

"We already have very high levels of fuel poverty – they're on the increase.

"This will just make things much worse."

British Gas, the UK's biggest domestic energy supplier, has 15.9 million customers.

The 35% gas price rise was announced yesterday alongside a 9% rise in electricity prices.

The group said today that the price increases were necessary to restore "reasonable profitability" to British Gas and invest in additional gas and power assets.

Mr Maxwell said it was "about time" Scotland took control of energy matters, which are currently reserved to Westminster.

Asked if the era of cheap energy is over, he said: "We're very supportive of micro-renewables. We are investing heavily in renewables."

The "fuel poverty" bracket is defined as those who spend more than 10 per cent of their income on energy bills.

Cathy Jamieson, one of the candidates in the running to become new Labour leader, called for tough action against energy companies who increase prices while posting massive profits.

Ms Jamieson said: "Enough is enough. For companies to have six-month operating profits of £1 billion whilst families are facing a 35% price hike is not acceptable.

"An increase on this scale will have an impact on everyone, but particularly pensioners and families on lower incomes, who already have tight household budgets."

She went on: "The energy companies need to be given a choice. Either they stop these price rises now or they should expect that tough action will be taken against them.

"The Chancellor of the Exchequer should make it clear that unless we see these companies show some decency then he should be prepared to introduce a windfall tax and then use that money to reduce people's energy bills."

She also called on the Scottish Government to act "instead of carping from the sidelines".

Ms Jamieson urged Holyrood ministers to back fellow Labour MSP Sarah Boyack's Member's Bill on micro-regeneration and to invest more cash in insulation programmes for poorer households.

The former justice minister said: "We cannot afford for this issue to drift and I hope others in the Labour movement will support my calls for action."

Yesterday's price hike was the second this year from British Gas, which supplies a million Scottish households with gas and 500,000 with electricity. In January, tariffs were raised by an average of 15 per cent. The overall effect will be to take average combined bills to £1,317 – up by more than £400 since the start of the year.

The company said it had faced an 89 per cent increase in the wholesale cost of energy, which had added some £2 billion to its supply costs.

As a result, the firm's domestic wing had just reported a 69 per cent fall in annual profits, down from £533 million to £166 million in the six months to June.

It promised not to increase bills any further this year and said 340,000 customers on an economy tariff rates would not have any increase until next April.

With David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, yesterday refusing to rule himself out of the running to replace a beleaguered Mr Brown, pressure is mounting on the Prime Minister, who must call a general election by June 2010 at the latest.

Pressure is intensifying on the Prime Minister following the loss of the Glasgow East by-election. British Gas's announcement came as food prices continue to rise, and a report yesterday warned 1.7 million homeowners could face negative equity as house prices fall. The decision to scrap a 2p-per-litre rise in fuel duty has brought no respite.

The UK has had the cheapest gas in Europe since 2000, and the cost of electricity has been below average.

But in 2004, Britain became a net importer of gas – despite the presence of North Sea gas. The opening of pipelines connecting the UK to Europe's gas markets has had the effect of increasing UK prices to the European level. Further problems have been caused by delays in building new storage facilities. The UK can store only 13 days of gas, compared with 99 days in Germany and 122 in France.

Phil Bentley, British Gas's managing director, said: "The company regretted the decision at a time many households were feeling the pinch. "The simple fact is we have entered an era of unprecedented high world energy prices." He said the "only answer" was for customers to become more energy efficient.

Scott Byrom, utilities manager at price comparison site, moneysupermarket.com, said: "Hot on the heels of EDF's price hike last Friday, British Gas bill payers are next to face the misery of price rises. With a summer of price hikes now in full swing, British Gas customers now face a £415 increase from this time last year and will be paying £1,330 on average a year for their fuel bills."

Malcolm Wicks, the UK energy minister, said the government was "deeply concerned" about the impact on hard-pressed families.

Ministers have secured an extra £225 million from energy companies over three years to be targeted at poorer households, while the winter fuel payment will rise this year from £200 to £250 (and from £300 to £400 for over 80s).

It believes the best way to keep prices down is not to regulate tariffs but allow open competition between suppliers.

But opposition parties expressed anger that only long-term solutions – such as encouraging foreign countries to produce more oil, or expanding the exploration opportunities in the North Sea – were on offer from the Prime Minister.

Nick Clegg, the leader of the Liberal Democrats, called it a "devastating price rise", particularly for the elderly and families on low fixed incomes.

There have been demands for a windfall levy on energy companies to ensure record profits from the high price of oil filtered from shareholders to customers.

Mr Clegg said: "Energy companies are benefiting from a
£9 billion windfall yet continue to hike up their prices on the government's watch. This is unacceptable."

Ministers claim there are some 2.5 million families in fuel poverty, though the consumer watchdog Energywatch puts the figure at more than four million.

For every 10 per cent increase in prices, a further 400,000 fall into poverty. British Gas says customers it supplies with both gas and electricity will see their total bill jump 25 per cent.

In Scotland, if all energy firms increase prices along similar lines, the number of households in fuel poverty will increase from 700,000 to 860,000 – almost two in every five homes.

Mike Weir, MP, the SNP's energy spokesman, said: "The UK government must act now to limit these price rises, which come at a time when energy companies are making massive profits.

"It is high time that shareholders in the companies suffered some of the pain that is being inflicted on Scottish families."

British Gas owner fuels anger with shareholder payout day after price hike

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  • Last Updated: 31 July 2008 11:54 AM
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1

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 31/07/2008 00:27:56
Not to worry , Gordon told me before he went off on holiday that he is listening to peoples problems, that he feels our pain.

He also said the economy is stable , inflation is around 2% and that we are well prepared to weather the rough times ahead.

There, dont you all feel better now ?

No I didnt think so , neither do I .
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 01:08:03

So the Winter is looking Bleak for many of us, just as well the Global Warming.

Thing is, as you know and I know, its a 'Moan' today and,..
'Pay time' tomorrow!
Grudgingly we will all pay!
3

Nikostratos,

31/07/2008 05:27:23
whats the snp Government doing about this......a real problem requiring a real solution.so what are they doing?
4

Pilrig.,

Livingston 31/07/2008 05:44:19
3 london holds the whip hand here - and they're on their holidays.
5

Pilrig.,

Livingston 31/07/2008 05:45:37
Yes, privatisation of public utilities would benefit the British people.
Maggie Thatcher, woman of vision.
6

BOBO UMBONGONDO,

in the cauld 31/07/2008 06:06:46
Nationalisation called for here. comment from the Scottish government please, or are they really just puppets of big business.........same as Westminster.
7

John Cameron,

Broughty Ferry 31/07/2008 06:16:29
The poorer sections of Scotland's society face a bleak future. Here we are with serious energy problems and our politicians are still befuddled by the chattering class shibboleth, Global Warming. Time for even the Scottish Parliament to grow up and stop going back to the future with these idiotic windmills. That was the medieval solution. The Victorians used coal and, until the new nuclear stations are on line, so should we.
8

Shanti,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 06:21:12
What a joke! 35% in one go, after putting bills up by 17% earlier this year. They really have people by the short and curlies as we all need heat and to cook. I recommend fitting a Thermoflow (from www.cutgasbills.com in Edinburgh) as you can save around 10% on your bills. This doesn't make up for this huge rise, but I'd rather have money in my pocket than in the shareholders of British Gas.
9

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 07:02:45
Now, where did Grannie keep her knitting needles ?
10

C.,

31/07/2008 07:23:20
I left British sorry Scottish Gas years ago, and I'm glad I did. Over the past few months, they have called me a few times telling me they can save me money. HA.
I keep telling them not to call, as I am not, and I am never likely to be, interested in going back to them. If I ever am interested, (which would only happen after having a serious bang on the head) I'll call them. But no, a few weeks later, and I get another call from a call centre in deepest darkest England, calling themselves Scottish Gas, telling me they can save me money. HA.
11

inoui,

31/07/2008 07:25:04
About time this industry was nationalised.
12

destroyer ,

Leeds 31/07/2008 07:41:22
When the yearly profits are announced I bet they have gone up. If they need to increase the price because the cost has gone up to them then their profits should be the same not more than before.
Do these companies work out how much they need to raise their prices by then multiply by 10? or maybe more?
People are in a catch 22 situation they put on more clothes that means more washing and drying or they put the heating on they know we have to do one or the other.
13

kt mcallan,

scotland 31/07/2008 07:44:05
Feared the worst when EDF started the ball rolling last week. EDF,has 58 nuclear power stations in france and is all for a new generation of nuclear power stations in uk, they won't have any probs persuading the liebour government seeing as their head of media relations in gordon broon-thatcher's brother.

Broon-thatcher and his cronies who, when they return from their HOLIDAYS, will be nice and warm this winter subsidised by us. Notice Salmond and his cabinet aren't on their holidays, but taking the SNP government to the people of scotland.

i have just heard about a documentary called "windscale" examining the idea that britains nuclear stations were only a cover to build bombs at any cost. Can anyone tell me more?
14

kt mcallan,

scotland 31/07/2008 07:50:59
p.s. see how you can save yourself money - go to oilofscotland.org
15

tessterror,

31/07/2008 08:01:24
the posters on this site could always use their hot air to keep warm, there is a lot generated here
16

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 31/07/2008 08:08:59
We were told it wasn't economical to keep our coal mines open and we could get cheaper coal (and gas) from abroad. Perhaps Arthur was right. Maybe we should have kept the British coal industry alive and had a ready supply of fuel for power stations.
17

Bigwull,

edinburgh 31/07/2008 08:09:43
it makes a 2% wage rise seem silly doesn't it Mr Brown!!!!!
18

Nebulous,

Aberdeen 31/07/2008 08:12:21
The man is right when he says we all need to become more fuel efficient. I don't use a great deal of gas but have high electric bills. Over the last 2 months I have reduced my electric consumption by a third, with very little impact on our lifestyle.
19

Bigwull,

edinburgh 31/07/2008 08:15:27
19 its easy this is summertime everybodies bills normally drop by about a third, just wait till winter
20

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21

vorlic,

edinburgh 31/07/2008 08:27:29
are all these price hikes a big con dreamt up by Brown and his cronies to justijy there policies on global warming?
22

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 31/07/2008 08:33:16
Perhaps now Scottish Gas will stop phoning me with all their fabulous gas, boiler and maintenance offers. Unfortunately, the one thing they're not prepared to do is run a pipe to my house from the nearest gas main - about 80 miles or so.
23

sonofhamish,

edinburgh 31/07/2008 08:34:08
I am not sure which bit of 'global energy market' people who are calling for re-nationalising, dont understand.

The point is you have to pay for it somehow. If you want to renationalise first the govt has to raise the money to do it, then to keep prices down it would have to subsidise the cost and that would require them borrowing more money, and that would mean either higher taxes at some point.

The real solution here is getting on with tapping wave/wind power and alternative energy which we COULD be a world leader in.
24

Bob M,

Paisley 31/07/2008 08:42:09
Cheers Centrica, I wasn't sure whether to go for a gas or electric hob for the new kitchen but you've made my mind up for me....

25

voltaire's janny,

31/07/2008 08:45:53
A free market produces the best price. A regulated market seeks to ensure best practice. For an additional supply (the pipe to Europe) to result in an increase in price is prima facie evidence of a fiddle.

Regulator - get on it!
26

Bemused and above it all,

31/07/2008 08:59:36
perhaps we shouldve let the facists win in the 30's, we would all be multilingual, the cops would be kitted out by Hugo Boss, our cars would be more reliable and the entire world would supply its resources to the riech! Maybe, just maybe, even gas would have been affordable!
27

Unimpressed one,

31/07/2008 09:11:31
#17, Nell, spot on there. Of course between the eco-luddites and the EU, that coal will never see the light of day as it will 'wreck the planet'. Never listen to the greens, it's bad for the economy, the environment and your sanity.
28

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 31/07/2008 09:20:06
Great the chickens have come home to roost!
The population of these islands have had the butter spread on both sides of the toast for too long, since we started using natural gas and at stupid prices there was only going to be one outcome.

First mistake was Centrica signing up for north sea supplies for the long hall, when the spot market prices were falling Centrica found themselves tied into a contract that squeezed them to the bone.

Second mistake was using that same North Sea supply as if it was infinite and not finite. Over selling, lying, and with the treasury’s connivance nothing left for that rainy day.

So down souff they are importing gas from all over, doing the same thing all over again nothing left for a rainy day, did they not do the same with their water supplies?

The solution lies in the hands of management as it did before nationalisation, you pay the costs and no cross subsidization. Then those who have to import gas will have to pay the going price, and those to whom the dice has fallen in their favour only pay for that gas that is on their doorstep.
29

Yeah1,

31/07/2008 09:30:18
#21

"This is where the revenue is coming from since the abolition of smoking."

What are you talking about? Since when has smoking been 'abolished'?
30

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 31/07/2008 09:34:46
Malcolm Wicks, the UK energy minister, said the government was "deeply concerned" about the impact on hard-pressed families.

There's not much evidence of "deep concern" being translated into action, which is what we expect from leaders when things go somewhat pear-shaped. Brown's hiding on holiday, the rest are working out how to carve him up, Centrica et al are rubbing their hands in glee at how easy it is to rip off customers and boast boardroom bonuses, no one seems to be addressing the problem of gas storage in this country, continental suppliers have us over a barrel and of course the tax take is stupendous.

Anyone wonder why no action is being taken? 35%! Mad. Almost beyond the point where blood and hair should be flying! What we need is real and concerted government action to immediately stabilise the situation - a real shot across the bows that means something to these speculators and fat cats, then move to secure the future of energy supplies and redouble efforts to do so. Wind farms aren't going to cut it and Green outpourings have ministers hamstrung on practical solutions like coal and nuclear in case they're seen to be eco-unfriendly.

Time to get a grip or sack this lot of useless prevaricators.
31

fegan,

Northern ireland 31/07/2008 09:47:18
The prophets have to be maintained by the energy companies use less they will charge more. It dose not matter how hard we try to save if the prophets are not big enough they simply charge more. That is the price we are paying for Privatisation of Utilities.
32

N B,

31/07/2008 09:52:27
I think that as a mass protest we should stop using the electricity and gas at our homes. We could all gather at the library until 8pm each night, then go home for a candle light supper of bread, cheese and ham. Then at bedtime in the winter months we could get on our duffle coats and settle down for the night underneath a couple of duvets.
33

Yeah1,

31/07/2008 09:55:40
#34

What 'prophets' are you talking about? Muhammed? Moses? Why do they need to be maintained by energy companies?

Oh....you mean PROFITS.
34

Sedov,

Scotland 31/07/2008 11:03:06
35% rise whilst the average wage rise is around 3%
( if your lucky) Do we have a choice but to accept this? - Yes we have. Enough is enough - we are creative enough to resist but it will need sacrifice from us all. Nothing in the past for working people was won lightly and without strugggle. I suggest a mass withdrawal of payments for our energy -the utility workers to go on strike and the immediate launch of alternative energy sources such as clean coal. Sounds daft? - no dafter than paying 35% more for gas. Lets have your ideas on how to put pressure on to stop this outrageous blackmail by big business on society.
35

Brian R Stanier,

Stourbridge 31/07/2008 11:04:01
It seems that British Gas is helping to get rid of the older generation sooner than later shame on you and I happen to be one of them Thank You British Gas It's a pity you can't faze in the increase in easier stages for the benefit of your customers
36

Brian R Stanier,

Stourbridge 31/07/2008 11:07:58
Caratacus you are correct
37

Thistledhu,

31/07/2008 11:36:13
The fault lies with the Thatcher regime in the 80's destroying the coal Industry privitiseing Energy supply not investing in storage facilities etc.

Then cue the decade of Labour What did they do to address this Time bomb ? Nothing!!!

so when Labour and the conservatives start pointing fingers at each other someone should give them a dose of reality but who is in a position to do that?
38

Highland Mighty©,

31/07/2008 11:53:32
15. Another crock of doggie-doo from the nationalists?

Peddling a FORECAST for next year as a guarantee for EVERY year.

Claiming that Scotland does not receive a penny from oil when it in fact receives its full share as proven by the SNP themselves.

Yet again we ask that if the case for independence is so strong, why is the nationalist argument so full of lies?
39

Happydays,

Bristol 31/07/2008 11:54:34
It'a a good job for all concerned that we still have Mrs Thatcher to blame for the world's ills.

If the miners had been led by capable leaders skilled in negotiation I'm sure the pits would not have closed the way they did. The miners thought they were above we mere mortals and could do what they wanted when they felt like it and expected all and sundry to admire them. They put their snouts in the trough, expecting us to applaud their antics, with no regards for other ordinary working folk who then had to suffer wage freezes and cuts.

It might have escaped the attentions of some of our socialist bretheren, we live in a democracy and a 100, 000 miners cannot outvote the other 60 million souls in the UK. If you do not like digging coal, find another job like the rest of had to do.

For all her faults, Thatcher standing up to the miners and their friends was the best thing she ever did. Would most people prefer the country to be run by Scargill or a democratically government.
40

Neil,

Glasgow 31/07/2008 11:56:27
We k now for a fact that we cann have unlimited nuclear electricity at 1.3p a unit.

We know for a fact that all the major parties have, deliberately, prevented us having power at that price.

We know for a fact that 24,000 pensioners die of the effects of fuel poverty every year.

We know for a fact that this was deliberate policy by parties that knew exactly what they were doing.

We therefore know for a fact that any loyal politician from any of these parties who claims to be against fuel poverty, pensioner deaths, or poverty in any form, is wholly completely & dieliberately lying.

Why people vote for corrup lying politicos responsible for poverty & death is something I do not know.
41

Highland Mighty©,

31/07/2008 11:59:58
42 [contd]. Another lie in that website. It claims Holyrood's budget is only £30bn when it is in fact nearly £50bn.

As reported by the SNP themselves.

Once more: If the case for independence is so strong, why is the nationalist argument so full of lies?
42

Highland Mighty©,

31/07/2008 12:01:10
44 "We k now for a fact that we cann have unlimited nuclear electricity at 1.3p a unit."

Really?
43

Thistledhu,

31/07/2008 12:03:25
Highland Mighty full share Scotland gets 100% of North sea oil revenues?
44

Thistledhu,

31/07/2008 12:08:34
Happydays im not Supporting the NUM but is their intransigence justification for leaving us all with a legacy of high fuel costs and hardship for the most vulnerable.
45

Highland Mighty©,

31/07/2008 12:11:43
48. Fuel price rises (as with food) are a global problem.

What has it got to do with the NUM or even the UK Govt?
46

CLX,

31/07/2008 12:12:09
The fact that the UK is producing more than enough gas to supply our demand is encouraging.
The fact that we sell the biggest proportion to Europe because we can only store 5% of what we produce is criminal
The fact we buy back gas from Europe at twice the price is utter stupidity.

While here in the UK Centrica is more concerned with building new "state of the art" gas powered stations at a cost of around £1Bn instead of looking into ways of storing what we produce.

Not rocket science...It costs around 12p/therm to produce the gas but we are currently buying it at £1/therm from Johnny Foreigner.

These corporate vampires need to be made to see who is keeping them in business....
47

Thistledhu,

31/07/2008 12:25:00
Highland Mighty so why is fuel costs in Norway and Holland far cheaper than they are here?
48

CLX,

31/07/2008 12:30:14
Buckpool Loon,
Here is a link that backs up the storage issue.
http://www.eon-uk.com/generation/gas_storage.aspx

The production costs and buy back costs was from an interview on BBC Newsnight last night from a consumer watchdog chappie..

Cheers
49

CLX,

31/07/2008 12:32:06
Another link - Centrica power station -
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=409954&in_page_id=2
50

Michelle Fifer,

Get the flares on, we're going back to the guid au 31/07/2008 12:35:08
Wahey, unleash the hysteria. Uncage the commies. Nationalisation is back.

Centrica is only passing on what it costs to buy the gas apart from the small amount it owns itself. Its 1 billion profits also come from all its businesses - it does more than sell gas in the UK - and what company undertakes any business to do it at a loss?

Nationalisation is a joke. People who really expect civil servants and probably three times the workforce necessary to provide the service cheaper are deluded. A nationalised co would still have to buy the gas in the market so it would cost the same, probably more adding in the bureacracy they so love. So, do they sell it at a loss? If so, your taxes will go up. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The problem is we got complacent about having our own gas but now its running out. Maybe the hysteria should be turned on the problems of the European gas market which we're so heavily reliant on now rather than on Centrica which has to buy the stuff from it. What about our oil and gas majors too. Oh, forgot, they're already being taxed 75% as it is.
51

Brian Hill,

31/07/2008 12:35:33
As the 12 largest producer of Oil in the world and having one of the largest Gas fields in the world (Brent) it is totally unacceptable that hundreds of thousands of Scots are in fuel poverty.

We already have thousands of more children in general poverty than we had before we struck Oil. The entire world must be wondering what we Scots are made of as the English wander the world with broad grins whilst deliberately continuing to cultivate the concept that Britain is in fact England.

The laugh is the English don't even have to argue their own case they have enough lame brained lackies like AM2 and highland god almighty to do it for them.
52

Captain Flint,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 12:39:23
I'm interested to know how many posters are taking active measures to keep their fuel bills to a minimum.

You know, things like sorting out your insulation, putting less water in the kettle, draft proofing etc.

Or are some people trying to generate energy purely from anger? Nice in the short term (that rosy inner glow of self-righteous indignation) but no good for your monthly gas bill.

We can blame one political party or the other, we can blame privatisation, we can blame greedy fat-cat businessmen, we can blame who ever we like. But at the end of the day, the problem is a really boring situation of supply and demand.

And as long as demand (at a global level since gas is a fungible commodity) continues to outstrip global supply, things are only going to get worse. Get used to it. Do your bit by managing your demand downwards. Granny's knitting needles might come in handy after all.
53

Sedov,

Scotland 31/07/2008 12:42:50
Latest news from Yahoo.

A Qatar-based sheikh reportedly flew his Lamborghini to London and back for nothing more than an oil change.

Whats going on?
54

Thistledhu,

31/07/2008 12:54:59
Michelle Fifer so this situation is acceptable?
55

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 31/07/2008 13:08:21
When does "reasonable profitability" become RAMPANT GREED?

And how much of these obscene profits will be invested in new sources of energy so that some savings can be passed onto the oppressed "fuel poverty" consumer at some date in the reasonable future?

This is a problem not just in Scotland and the profits of big businesses worldwide are expanding at the cost of human lives and comfort.

It may be a bleak winter for us all if some sort of government regulation and accountability is not enacted to stop this obscene accumulation of money by amoral/immoral businesses.
56

John south of Soutra,

31/07/2008 13:08:25
when did corporation tax go up to 75% Michelle
57

Thistledhu,

31/07/2008 13:08:27
a billion a year profit how many storage faility's could we have built over the last 5 years with such Investment
58

Jock ex 45Cdo RM,

THORNHILL 31/07/2008 13:11:25
I have just turned down the thermostats , and am now fitting frost stats! Bet Gordon forgot about this escape route. We here in the country have no gas, the oil for central heating is now 7 yes SEVEN times the price of 1998.
Then Gordon and his followers add 5% on top.
Great for the winter.
59

CLX,

31/07/2008 13:15:26
An interesting quote from the http://www.eon-uk.com/generation/gas_storage.aspx link is shown below.

The question is - Come on Darling, where are they?

"At present, the UK can only store around 4% of our annual gas consumption, compared to Germany and France who have the capacity to cover over 20% of their needs.

Relying on gas imports makes it difficult to ensure a supply/demand balance that aligns with seasonal and daily fluctuations, such as periods of high demand during a cold snap, so we believe that gas storage facilities will play a crucial role in stabilising energy prices for the UK.

In May 2006 the Secretary of State, Alistair Darling, recognised the national need for more gas storage facilities in his House of Commons Statement."
60

CLX,

31/07/2008 13:36:48
70 sm753

The fact that a government meenister highlighted the problem says a lot. We know we need it but we'll forget about it.....

The building of the gas storage facilities could easily be financed by doing exactly what the Germans, French and any other country with their noses in the trough do - sell the stuff at a hugely inflated price and use the profit to expand the networks.

Your argument of price collapse doesn't hold water either. Can you see any time soon where these multi-nationals are going to say - Ok guv, fair cop, we'll remove the link to the oil price and give you cheap gas...Highly un-bluddy likely...

The fact is, neither the government or the gas/oil companies give a t0ss about Joe Public to help him out.....

Hail to the God of the bottom line.....

61

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

31/07/2008 14:12:42
I like the way it's being spun here that it's just Scotland problem.

We here in England are also struggling with fuel prices + our cost of living is higher
62

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 14:13:27
Centrica announce £1Billion in profits the day after they put up prices by 35%. Are we being taken for mugs or what ?
63

Yeah1,

31/07/2008 14:15:44
#72

If you are so concerned for your 'poor grandma' why not give her some money so she can afford to put the heating on?

If my grandma had a freezing house I would actually help her instead of moaning about it.
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CLX,

31/07/2008 14:19:58
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Don't know where you get that from.

There are quite a few reasonable posts here stating it is a "world problem" as well as a UK one...

As far as cost of living is concerned, try it up here in the Oil Capital...akin to the COL in London (without the wages to go with it).....
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Yeah1,

31/07/2008 14:22:27
#77

If you are helping her why is her house 'always freezing' then?
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Neil,

Glasgow 31/07/2008 14:34:30
Highland mighty doubts:

44 "We k now for a fact that we cann have unlimited nuclear electricity at 1.3p a unit."

Really?

Well yes. France has been producing 80% of its power that way at that price. We know for a fact that the laws of physics are the same on both sides of the Channel.

No politician, party, or BBC propagandist who is anything other than a wholly corrupt eco-fascist has ever claimed that "the era of cheap energy is over".

But there are quite a lot of them.
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CLX,

31/07/2008 14:37:02
Buckpool Loon,
Just to mention two sources of gas production in the UK - BHP (Liverpool bay) and Shell (Gannet).

We are in the situation where the Gannet is BG's top producing platform and as such continually produces gas rain, hail or shine. Whereas, BHP regularly shuts down its operation over the summer months (no production at all) in order to catch up with maintenance.

The main reason for the shutdown not for maintenance (even though some is required) but the price of gas. During the summer months it is normally less. They are not the only ones who do this I might add.

Anyone who has been offshore will tell you the amount of gas flaring that goes on is rediculous. If, as reported by some doom merchants, that gas is running out they should take a look at what goes on offshore. This is where the criminal negligence starts.



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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 31/07/2008 14:37:54
Highland Mighty,You are like a little annoying wasp who won't go away, As if your dribblings are going to make the slightest bit of difference to anyones opinions. "Oh I'm not voting SNP anymore because Highland Mighty said he was 150% sure it wasn't good for you, La La La"...
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nolimits,

Kamloops 31/07/2008 14:53:39
So who decides 'reasonable profit'? The company, government, shareholders? A rate increase of 35% for gas is gouging, period. The price of gas at the wellhead has not risen 35%....yet. And the downstream costs rarely rise as facilities are considered long term capital assets, and the maintenance thereof, factored into operating costs, not end of half year/full year profits.
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Climate change is a fraud,

31/07/2008 14:56:45
Ths is the New World Order that George Bush snr, Gordon Brown and Obama have called for. Learn about it yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRaK_fTeXA
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Upandunder,

31/07/2008 14:57:32
Western govts should build nuclear power stations in 3rd world countries in exchange for cancellation of 3rd world debt; and also build solar power stations in the middle of the Sahara. Then export the cheap electricity.
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nolimits,

Kamloops 31/07/2008 15:00:26
#79. You are right. Many gas wells are shut in during the summer months here in Canada, because demand is low.
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Griffe,

31/07/2008 15:04:17
If the price increases by 35% the government automatically get an increase of 35% in tax revenue with no incentive to protect the public. If they then apply a windfall tax or tax by any other name on energy companies this will again put more tax income into the exchequer.

The only way to help is for the government to reduce the tax charged on gas prices instructing the energy companies that these reductions must be applied in full to the price charged to customers.

It is simple it doesn't need complicated procedures or paying millions in fees to consultants to arrive at this answer.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 15:08:03
76 CLX - Centrica's chief executive, said: "This is a business that has got a million shareholders and we have to look after them".
Silly me,I was thinking about the poor pensioners and others, who won't be able to heat their homes, and may well die of hypothermia this winter, when I should have been thinking about the poor shareholders who would have to cut back on that Winter cruise to the Carribean.



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CLX,

31/07/2008 15:25:17
86 Clamper
So would the equation be:

1 old person >/= huge profits/greedy shareholders

When asked on Newsnight yesterday, he said they would focus on the poor and elderly to help them out with the increases. That'll be in wooden boxes then....

BTW - Crude is now $126.42 per barrel...Does that mean a decrease will now follow....Ahh, forgot, price lag.
Even when the price comes down below the $100/barrel price, the cost of gas will still increase...
Oil/gas companies can have their cake and eat it, it seems
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Captain Fantastic,

Anywhere but here 31/07/2008 16:08:42
One of reasons our gas prices have risen faster than compared to mainland Europe is the lack of storage. While other companies in Europe have invested in storage, BG paid bonuses to directors and shareholders, thus we do not have the necessary buffer supply to offset rising costs.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 16:10:11
CLX "Oil/gas companies can have their cake and eat it, it seems" - as long as Governments let them away with it. Nationalisation now.
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CLX,

31/07/2008 16:14:10
A Clamper
Nail has been firmly hit on head..

Now they can officially get away with murder...with government approval....
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 31/07/2008 16:50:32
What a two faced bunch messrs Maxwell, Jamieson,Wicks, Clegg and Weir are.
They are bitching about these hikes in electricity prices, yet at the same time they are approving as many windfarms as they can get away with, which is guaranteed to push up the price of electricity due to ROCS.
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morris,

edinburgh 31/07/2008 16:54:00
Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,31/07/2008 14:12:42

No one thinks this is somehow a phenomenon that happens at Gretna and Berwick!
WE do live in Scotland however and this is allegedly a Scottish paper,so it seems reasonable that we deal with our own patch!
In any case British Gas/Centrica are clearly a UK wide operator and have international interests also.We still live in Scotland !

We also have a colder climate than the rest of the UK in most parts of Scotland, and the Highglanders are particularly hit in this respect.The only irrelevance I see is your assumption that because we discuss Scotland (where we live after all)that we must think it only happens here.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 31/07/2008 17:06:22
Shareholders of this company should hang their head in shame...They are by default responsible for the poverty levels of britains most vulnerable people, The elderly and Infirm people who cant afford to heat themselves now, a hugely increased number who will now die of hypothermia and other cold related ilnesses, not to mention the extra misery and worry lumped on their shoulders. thanks to you you greedy so and so's...
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Neil,

Glasgow 31/07/2008 17:49:10
#79's post does suggest that more storage space woulds allow lower prices. The balme for lack of storage is being put on the 1 million evil capitalists wanting their Carribean holidays.

On this I have no certain knowledge but it could be our planning system has prevented storage being built. This is certainly the reason for the shortage of refinery space which, in the USA means shortages when there are hurricanes & in Britain makes us particulalry vulnerable to strikers outside Grangemouth.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 31/07/2008 22:04:17
The only sollution is nationalisation and INDEPENDENCE. That will curb the greedy B------- appetite to KILLING PEOPLE......
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Iainbroch,

Moray 31/07/2008 22:14:30
As usual the Cyber Pimps are being disingenious. Scotland is energy rich! I repeat SCOTLAND IS ENERGY RICH!
Yet propotionally price increases in that Energy will hit us more! ITS LONDON RULE THICKY!
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Unimpressed one,

01/08/2008 09:56:42
'Mr Maxwell said it was "about time" Scotland took control of energy matters, which are currently reserved to Westminster.

Asked if the era of cheap energy is over, he said: "We're very supportive of micro-renewables. We are investing heavily in renewables."'

Maybe this idiot might care to enlighten us as to how much extra we pay for our power through the roc scheme. We need to abandon subsidised renewables and invest more in coal-fired and nuclear stations. Our food and energy costs have increased as a result of thick politicians taking the advice of even thicker green luddites.

 

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