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New session, new name as SNP sets work of government



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Published Date:
03 September 2007
THE Scottish Parliament resumes today, with an ambitious programme of work including reforming the law on rape, abolishing bridge tolls and outlawing airguns.
The minority SNP-led government is expected to push for new laws on limiting hospital waiting times as well as a number of non-legislative measures aimed at boosting the economy and tackling climate change.

But ministers will first mark a change in direction by rebranding themselves as the Scottish Government.

From today, the term Scottish Executive will be consigned to history. The heading on buildings, note paper and public messages will be changed to the Scottish Government and the sign of Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom will be replaced by a Saltire design.

The £100,000 rebranding has been criticised by other parties as a costly publicity stunt. But the new Scottish government insists it is a "commonsense change".

A spokesman said: "Research shows the term 'Scottish Executive' is confusing or meaningless to people, which undermines the business of good governance in Scotland. This has been recognised across the political parties and under successive administrations since 1999. The time is right to make this common-sense change."

In the election, the SNP made number of expensive pledges including building a new crossing across the Firth of Forth, cutting rates for small businesses and freezing council tax.

Labour said the programme would add up to a £3.2 billion black hole.

JUSTICE


SCOTLAND'S rape laws are to be overhauled for the first time in 30 years. A definition of consent is to be included in Scots law to close the loophole allowing accused to escape because the alleged victim had been drinking. Sexual attacks on men will also be included. The measures are supported by other parties and women's groups.

THE ARTS


THE government will set up a new agency to promote the arts. However, many in the arts community are afraid current plans for Creative Scotland, which will replace the Scottish Arts Council and Scottish Screen, will allow ministers to interfere in the arts. The SNP has also promised to increase grants for up-and-coming artists.

HEALTH


The government wants to introduce a legally binding guarantee on waiting times so that no patient is waiting more than 18 weeks after visiting a GP. However, doctors fear the compensation payments awarded to patients left waiting will drain NHS resources. A bill to introduce direct elections to health boards will also be introduced.

CLIMATE CHANGE


A CONSULTATION is to be launched on ways to tackle climate change. The SNP promised to introduce a climate change bill, which will commit the government to reducing carbon output each year, as part of its agreement with the Greens. A website telling companies how they can help the environment will be launched today.

LOCAL GOVERNMENT


DECOUPLING Holyrood and council elections so that they can be held on separate days is likely to be backed. However, long-term plans to replace the council tax with local income tax are likely to be more difficult, with Labour insisting it will be "less efficient and less fair". There could also be problems over the council tax rebate.

TARTAN REGISTER


FIRST proposed by the Tory MSP Jamie McGrigor, a national register of tartans is to be introduced to ensure Scotland remains at the forefront of the industry. The publicly owned and managed register received cross-party support. But opponents have called it a "cosmetic exercise that will not protect designs from commercial exploitation".

FIREARMS


FOLLOWING the death of Scottish toddler Andrew Morton, the government wants to bring in firearms legislation to control airguns. However, this is dependent on approval from Westminster, as powers will have to be devolved or Holyrood allowed to pass its own law in a one-off procedure.

TRANSPORT


A BILL to abolish tolls on the Forth and Tay bridges will be easy to pass and spending on a new Forth crossing is also likely to be popular. However, other transport measures on roads, such as the M74, are likely to be opposed by the Greens. The government has already delayed the Edinburgh Airport Rail Link, but is committed to trams in Edinburgh.

HIGHER EDUCATION


LEGISLATION to scrap the graduate endowment fee paid by students after they complete a university course is likely to be backed by other parties. However, controversial plans to scrap student debt are likely to be more difficult to pass. Replacing student loans with grants will also be expensive.

COMMONWEALTH GAMES


LEGISLATION is needed to support spending on Glasgow's bid for the 2014 Games. Rogue traders and unauthorised advertisers will also face being fined up to £20,000 under proposals contained in the Commonwealth Games Bill. However, the bill could be a waste of time if Glasgow fails to win the bid, with a decision expected in November.

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1

Lindsey, Glasgow,

02/09/2007 23:35:07

They wanted to limit us to a "Parish Council".

We now have the SNP in power and a SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT.

Those that sought, and seek to limit the march of OUR Nation, can now, in their own time, go and "think again".

(Cant stop picturing George.... oh,forgot, LORD George Robertson declaring how Devolution would "kill the SNP stone dead".)

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03/09/2007 00:00:43
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Jock MacSprog,

03/09/2007 00:04:43

this is perfectly symbolic of the SNP's modus operandi, ie, "lets pretend our way to independence". They can spend our tax monies changing signs on building and stationary all they want, officially, in the eyes of the law and on legal documents on both sides of the "border" its still the Scottish Executive. I guess if the people of Scotland havent voted for Independence and still are consistently polling against it, you can pretend by engaging in empty gestures like this. The SNP and Salmond are masters of empty gestures and populist politics. What of substance have they done since being elected that does not involve giving things away for free (our own money, thanks) ? What have they done to improve the economy, health care, transport, education ???? All they do is wind up the sad nats who get a huge thrill over things like changing signs on buildings. Probably the same people scrawling sad Nat slogans on buildings around Edinburgh in chalk.

5

Senga Jean,

Scottland is now well governed. 03/09/2007 00:10:48

Jalepeno you are a frothy overzealous thingymejig. Calm down. Calm down. You will give Unionism a bad name. (As if it needs one)

6

a proud doonhamer,

03/09/2007 00:16:07

Sad sad Jock... If the SNP actions are so inconsequential to the people of Scotland, why bother commenting on them at all.

I happen to feel that the steps taken to ensure Scottish indentity have a very positive impact on how we see ourselves. One of the biggest weapons used by unionists to fight independence is fear of change. By taking small steps such as these, the SNP are taking away the unionists most effective weapon.

One morning, all the unionists will wake prime and ready for a fight and discover that they have missed the boat. AM2 calls it "gradualist independence" and you know, he is right. It is happening, it is working and it is going right under your nose.

The best part is that there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it. Now, that's a cheery thought.

7

Darryl Matheson,

Elgin, Morayshire 03/09/2007 00:31:53

What, that’s it?

Surely there’s more

8

Richardinho,

03/09/2007 00:32:38

Presumably all the people who object to money being spent on this also object to Britain spending money agrandising itself on the world stage, paying for the royal family, embassies, umpteen 'state occasions' etc. Nope, didn't think so.

I grew up with unionists telling we Scots we couldn't do anything. Now we shall do what we want.

9

Jock MacSprog,

03/09/2007 00:33:26

7 Your missing the whole point. Gradualist independence is just gesture politics, pretending. It can only go up to a point, real independence will only come by having a referendum and then maybe a vote by the UK Parliament. So all this w--king by the SNP does nothing, it just wastes time and money that would be better channeled into making Scotland more successful and less of a basket case in almost every category. Get on with governing Holyrood people and stop the populist pretendy politics.

10

clawmaster,

glasgow 03/09/2007 00:39:57

at last we have government in this country and not some that sounds like a health & safety executive.

well done salmond & co for restoring some pride in our parliament and generating some confidence in our country.

11

pehman,

sussex 03/09/2007 00:46:15

10 Jock,
Once we've had a referendum, w/minster can go -- -- itself. they will have no say on the result.

Also just btw, if a majority is obtained during any election, then that will be taken de facto to have been a referendum.

There are you happy now ?

12

Richardinho,

03/09/2007 00:46:58

Everything Labour did was with the intention of belittling and demeaning the country. Even the building of the Parliament; because Calton Hill was a 'nationalist shibboleth', apparently! (We can't have Scots actually being proud of the Scottish parliament can we!)

The Change of Name is right and correct and a bargain at that.

13

Stefan Mack,

Elgin 03/09/2007 00:48:04

this seemingly trivial bit of news to me seems like it could herald a sesimic shift in perspective.

you can feel the unionsists squirming over this one. such a simple change but one that totally shifts the boundaries.

14

Richardinho,

03/09/2007 00:56:15

It's funny, You do a 'double take' with that picture. Suddenly the building looks like a receptacle of power. It's hard to believe it's in Scotland-yet it is.
People say names aren't important-they are talking rubbish; perceptions are everything!

The opposition might bleet that no consultation was done on this; why spend even more money consulting with those blockheads who've shown they don't deserve to run Scotland?

15

Senga Jean,

03/09/2007 01:01:20

Zippidy do dah Zippididehay. My oh My what a wonderful day. Scotland might just be confident enough to say that it is well governed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

16

Jock MacSprog,

03/09/2007 01:07:46

13 better go back and read your SNP pamplet again, there is more too it than that. I dont think you'll see Westminster "just going" that easily. In any case, the Scottish public seem to have no interest, so it will be a moot point for many many years to come. My goodness a majority of 1 in a regional legislature and people are getting all excited !

17

a proud doonhamer,

03/09/2007 01:15:00

I am putting this information in honour of our good unionist friend, AM2. I know this will drive him around the bend.

Another poll has come out for the upcoming Westminster elections, whenever they are called. This one was done by COMRES, a member of the British Polling Council and shows Labour and Tories neck and neck.

The Scotland numbers, although a small sample with a large margin of error ( I thought I would save AM2 the time) shows the continuing trend. Just like the other recent polls, the Scottish segment shows massive growth for the SNP since the 2005 election and a massive drop for the Tories and the LibDem.

The numbers for Scotland(table 4 on page 10) are as follows:

Conservatives 5% (-11 from 2005)
LidDem 10% (-13 from 2005)
Labour 36% (-3 from 2005)
SNP 40% (+22 from 2005)
Other 9% (+4 from 2005)

I know that this is a small segment and the margin of error will be large but the trendline in every segment mirrors larger polls that show SNP support miles ahead of 2005.

The LibDems are in serious danger of losing a lot of their seats in Scotland and potentially falling behind the SNP as the third party in Westminster.

The entire poll can be seen at

http://www.comres.co.uk/PollDigest/Political%20Poll%20Aug...

18

macdonaj,

Winnipeg.Canada 03/09/2007 01:18:24

In Canada the head of the Canadian government is called Prime Minister. Provincial heads of government
are called Premier.
Now that Scotland has a Scottish Government would
it not be more appropriate to call the head of governmnent 'Premier". It would be much more descriptive of what the position entails.

19

pehman,

sussex 03/09/2007 01:33:35

20 Jock,

After a referendum or ANY election in favour of Independence, w/minster can butt out.

It will have no say whatsoever.

The division of the uk and Scotland will be handled by the UN and I would think the EU also.

The UK has signed many international treaties, you somehow think it will break them, or is this just more unionist scare stories to scare barins we

20

a proud doonhamer,

03/09/2007 01:38:57

If you want a little fun, go to the Electoral Calculus and put in the recent poll results in the Scotland Calculator.

I did this and the results were....

Conservatives 0
LibDem 0
Labour 31
SNP 28
Others 0

If you add about 4% to the SNP and take away 4% from Labour, the swings sets up the following

Conservatives 0
LibDem 0
Labour 16
SNP 43
Others 0

One can only wish, but what else to do on the night shift.

The link can be found at

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/

21

pehman,

sussex 03/09/2007 01:42:01

21 A Proud Doonhamer,

WOW 40% fork me man, I know what you say about the margin of error but 40% .

If that came to pass as it were we will be Independent by this time next year.

22

Gareth,

Ottawa 03/09/2007 01:43:32

#22 agreed.

..but why stop there, in Quebec, the 'nation within Canada', they call their Premier the "Prime Minister", if I were Alex I'd probably adopt that title for myself for the sheer indulgent pleasure of driving Gordon batty!

23

pehman,

sussex 03/09/2007 01:47:07

24 A Proud Doonhamer,

Now you bring me back to Earth with a bump.

Do I take it then that 44% of the vote is required to win these last two seats ?

24

pehman,

sussex 03/09/2007 01:59:59

28 HardTruth,

Well thats me told then.

25

a proud doonhamer,

03/09/2007 02:13:03

According to Electoral Calculus, 40-36 wins 28 seats for the SNP, 44-32 wins 43 seats for the SNP. The SNP would need at split like 49-30-10-6-5 to win all the seats.

26

a proud doonhamer,

03/09/2007 02:15:53

The SNP would need to have about 5% more popular vote than Labour to take a majority of Scottish seats due to the Labour majorities in most seats in 2005.

27

.Haggis The Great.,

Dunfermline 03/09/2007 02:29:50

Change a name to better reflect what an institution represents and Unionist like Jock MacSprog go into meltdown...why? because they can see the end of the Union is nigh, they can see they no longer have a grip on the reigns of power, they can see they propoganda they endlessly spout is undermined by the simple changing of one wee word.

Cheerio Jock and all that like you, for we are on our way to freedom and there is NOTHING, not one thing, you or anybody like you can do about it.

God, it feels so good to be released from the chains of Unionisim.

28

pehman,

sussex 03/09/2007 02:30:06

31 Doonhamer,

Cheers for that, 5% more than labour to win Independence.

Lets see the polls next week ?

29

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 03/09/2007 03:17:55

-- Gradualist independence is just gesture politics

6 words that don't mean anything. McSprog tends to continue in the same vein.

Politics is action. Politics is compromise. Alex Salmond continues to address those who dislike SNP policies. Attemped character assassination is the cheapest trick in the book. Desist!

30

A True Englishman,

Why England of course 03/09/2007 04:06:44

I think all you sad Scots should stop moaning about everything this is all you ever do moan moan moan don't worry we here in England can not stand the sight nor sound of you ( especially your sound ) there should be a huge border erected which keeps you all out of England I hope you get independence from England it will be interesting you crawling back in 3 years or so but I would never let you back in Scotland will be ( if not is already close to ) a Third World country within 3 years as you are all drunks woman beaters and no one has a full set of teeth :) I will refrain from mentioning anything about Football

31

Royster,

03/09/2007 04:17:51

Hang on a minute - putting all partisan arguments aside - if documents are put out in the name of the Scottish Government, are they legally valid as the Scottish Government does not legally exist? At the very least they can be challenged in court. Also, doesn't this go against the wishes of the people who voted for devolution?

32

Geoff,

South Africa 03/09/2007 05:16:45

39 A True Englishman-sounds more like a true snp provocateur to me! Even if he was an englishman, he no more represents english opinion than does robert mugbe reprsent scots. Have a nice day

33

Boy Wonder,

03/09/2007 05:35:30

I hope all the nay-sayers are noting that the present Scottish Government is still riding high in the polls as they continue to have a positive effect in thr country. Long may it continue as Alex & co get on with the work of government!

All New Labour has done of any valuie is moan and girn. The Libdems are Tories are beneath contempt!

34

Ex-pat observer,

03/09/2007 05:35:53

#28 - You are completely incorrect. The break-up of the UK will have to be negotiated by the constituent parts of the UK. That will mean, among other things, discussion of and agreement on the legacy aspects of the obligations and responsibilities of the UK, including areas such as on-going defence spending, allocation and ownership of natural resources, various treaty obligations, the status of Northern Ireland, continued areas of pooled sovereignty, on-going diplomatic relationships etc etc.

For Scotland to declare independence unilaterally would mean instant international isolation - with all the horrific diplomatic, political and economic consequences that would bring. This is why the SNP's suggested referendum question is not about Scotland becoming independent but about negotiation with Westminster, although even that is ridiculous as the Scottish government could not negotiate the break-up of the UK with a government led by a Scot representing a Scottish constituency. Instead, we would have to ait for the English, the Welsh and the Northern Irish to elect their own representatives to take part in discussions.

Once negotiations have been completed, the final settlement would again be put to the Scottish people for a vote and only when the settlement was approved by the Scottish people would the countdown to independence begin. To think that negotiations would be anything but long and hard is naive to say the least, and after that we are all stil going to have to get along on this small island of ours.

35

Ex-pat observer,

03/09/2007 05:39:18

#32 - In what way is Scotland not free at the moment. The Scots are in complete control of their futures, they have freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. To use words such as freedom is an insult to all those who really do live in unfree, undemocratic parts of the world.

36

Ex-pat observer,

03/09/2007 05:46:49

#21 - If you look at the first page of the poll you will see that of those people questioned in Scotland more voted for the SNP in 2005 than voted for Labour, which indicates that the base from which numbers are extrapolatd for Scotland is not actually representative.

37

Joe,

Next Train out 03/09/2007 05:56:02

Scotland spends more money supporting it's Royal Family - Rangers and Celtic!

38

Mr Buggy,

Fife 03/09/2007 06:10:32

Jalepeno move to England. Or stay and continue to underestimate your political opponent. Throughout history this has been a big mistake and it is good to see that history is repeating itself.

39

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An Australian of Scottish Ancestry,

03/09/2007 06:35:16

Ex-pat Observer,
Do you not believe that Scotland will only be free when the head of the Scottish state is a Scot? Furthermore, when Scotland bears her own constitution, and complete sovereign control over ALL of her domestic and foreign affairs?

41

An Australian of Scottish Ancestry,

03/09/2007 06:45:47

Since when have the English liked us, or for that matter, vice versa? Prior to 1707, Scotland had the control over her national affairs that I previously aluded to. The only uncertainty that I have is the SNP's emphatic endorsement of oil capital as an economic foundation for re-independence.

To me, this does not seem like a secure option for the long-term sustainability of the Scottish economy. What do you think?

42

howyoudoingboy;,

03/09/2007 07:03:25

"New session, new name as SNP sets work of government"

somebody best let the Scottish.parliament know then. As they still use 'The Scottish Executive' and not 'Government'

Still they have just come back from their hols so that may change ? if the other parties agree to allow the change.

What l would like to know is on the 'Government' the heading is the 'Saltire' alone whilst 'The Scottish Parliament' has the saltire with the crown.

Constitutionally which is more senior 'The Government' or 'The Scottish Parliament'
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/home.htm

43

Alberto.,

03/09/2007 07:05:49

Another great expensive Political move at cost to the taxpayer for what seems nothing more than Political Ego boosting with, as yet, nothing to show for it!

The job of proving 'Government' is a meaningful word has suddenly become that much harder for the SNP - and it may well be their last chance, as well as their first!

One would have thought they would have learnt from the massive lesson that Blair imposed on us every day that all spin and no content = failure and chaos!

But 'No' - first thing, regardless of immediately telling us about the massive financial hole they have inherited (Really?)
donates a massive amount to Africa, and now this self boosting costly, and currently wasteful exercise all at taxpayers expense!

Lets us not forget the old saying - 'A Rose, by any other name, will still smell as sweetly - and the same connection applies to something that doesn't smell so good!

Like the costly building Holyrood. the ‘Governments’ home - it's not the architectural merit that is important, it’s the quality of content that the SNP, or whoever the occupants happens to be anytime, produce from within that will tell us how good, or not they are, and whether the qualification for the title 'Government' is merited!

What's in a name if the evidence is bad - no matter who is telling you its good!

I hope this is not an early start to the Pantomime season - as it could certainly seem to be!

44

Huntlylad,

Edinburgh 03/09/2007 07:07:21

#44,45,46

Thanks for that ... saved me typing it. Glad to see there is some sanity out there. There are a lot of immature views on these threads. You are absolutely correct ... we would want to negotiate our position with all parties to the UK and, if course internationally with the UN, EU, NATO and a host of others before putting a proposal to the Scottish people.

45

Cadgers,

Perth 03/09/2007 07:07:27

"A picture paints a thousand words" and that one above does it for me!

46

Tweedmouth,

03/09/2007 07:13:52

More SNP propaganda; flags, name changes and symbols rather than real achievements. There is only one government in the UK and it is based in London, where a Scottish Prime Minister, Scottish European Minister, Scottish Defence Minister and Scottish Education Minister dominate the cabinet - as they did in the previous 'scottish' government under Blair.

Scotland is not a state, has no constitution, no army, no airforce, no navy, does not raise taxes, and proposes legislation only on matters which ahve been devolved to it by the sovereign Parliament of the UK. What we have is a devolved Executive. The SNP are following a propaganda strategy of trying to drive a wedge between people in Scotland and people in England. It won't work.

47

BK,

Cyberspace 03/09/2007 07:14:58

#22 The unionists got their knickers into a right twist when they ventured, reluctantly, into Gaelic. In Gaelic the translated "Firt Minister" as "Priomh Ministear" which is obviously closer to "Prime Minister." This was beacuse they wanted at all costs to avoid the term "Ministear Toiseach," the more accurate translation. Why? Because the word for "first", "Toiseach" has connotations of its Irish version, "Taoiseach," and might give the Scots notions of an independent republic!

48

Expat,

Suffolk 03/09/2007 07:15:46

Two points I wish to make to our Australian friend. Scotland did not have much control over her own destiny in the century before union, the move of James VI south of the border removed an important keystone of nationhood and came in tandem with the English (sic) British civil war a few years later. Scotland intervened in this war on the side of the monarchy, in a bid to secure recognition of its religion and our reward was to be subjugated by Cromwell, ignored by Charles II (last king to be crowned in Scotland) and persecuted by James VII. The failure of the Darrien project and Scotland's near bankruptcy, a bribe to the Scottish aristocracy and the proposed citing of the Scots as 'aliens' by the English government brought us to the negotiating table. 'Control' - far from it : I spent four years at university obtaining an MA in Scottish history but not even I am that blinkered from the truth. The second point relates to 'Since when have the English liked us..etc'. There is a long and proud 'social union' between England and Scotland (Alex Salmond's words). Most English people like the Scots and are a bit bewildered when they realise the level of hate directed against them by a minority of bigots from north of the border. I have lived among the English for many years, my children were born here, my wife is English. Strip away the 'little' Englander stuff and you will find a land rich in folk history, the arts and literature, some beautiful countryside, fantastic food and a warm and tolerant people. Hey, they aren't that different from us. One day Scotland may well be independent but let's show that we have really grown up and learn to live and let live with our closest neighbour and potentially best friend.

49

Captain America,

03/09/2007 07:17:41

As an impartial observer, I have a question. I stress that I have no dog in this hunt so I'm really asking out of curiosity. I wonder what would happen to the great universities of Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, St. Andrews, Dundee, Stirling, Aberdeen, etc) if Scotland became independent. Science and scholarship at these unis are heavily funded by the research councils of the UK. Small countries very seldom are able to support at sufficient levels the type of science that drives the economies of larger countries. How would an independent Scotland fund the science at these unis at a level that would keep internationally recognized scientists and scholars here? And if they left (many of them would certainly have other offers) then what would sustain Scotland's position as a leader in areas like biotech and alternative energy, among others?

50

john z,

03/09/2007 07:34:25

I can't believe it was called Scottish Executive in the first place. What a dumb name.

Well done to the SNP for giving it it's real name. The Scottish Government.

The country is changing, and Scottish Labour/ lib Dems should wake up to reality, instead of living in the past.

The Scottish Lib Dems really screwed up not going into coalition with the SNP.

51

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 03/09/2007 07:54:59

Executive and it will remain so. NI and Wales don't mind being Assemblies.

Pointless posturing by the SNP.

Besides as the name implies Executives actually do things, governments on the other hand......

52

Doh,

03/09/2007 07:57:19

#57

Does gaelic distinguish between ordinals and cardinals?

What is gaelic for prime.

If Alex Salmond wants to call himself Prime Minister of Scotland - that is fine by me. He could get himself some fancy new robes too.
People are vain and politicans are people we love to hate.

53

Hambo,

03/09/2007 07:58:05

#45
"In what way is Scotland not free at the moment."

Free to remove Trident?
Free to end firing of depleted uranium shells in Scotland?
Free to not take part in invading other countries?
Free to develop an economic policy that's right for Scotland rather than the City of London?

54

Brian Hill,

03/09/2007 08:13:51

No 2 Jalepeno says:
Thick as pig's droppings I tell you, I can;t wait ot vote porky out.

Rule of thumb, if you are calling someone stupid it's generally a good idea to get your spelling correct.

55

WL,

livingston 03/09/2007 08:16:14

#18
The conference is about tobacco control. The no-smoking law is about "smoking tobacco, any substance or mixture which includes it or any other substance or mixture", which seem to include nicotine-free and tobacco-free herbal cigarettes.

56

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 03/09/2007 08:16:54

#63 You can just pick and choose what legislation you like and what you don't. Are you really that naive?

If Scotland were Independent, you wouldn't have the right to change any policies because you don't like it.

There are peole who are unhappy with current SNP legislation - there are free to object but not obstruct - same with Westminster.

While there is any government your freedoms will be restricted, but that's the price of stability.

57

Miss H,

03/09/2007 08:30:48

66 You are the one being naive.

It is inconceivable that an independent Scotland would want to maintain a nuclear arsenal.

It is equally inconceivable than an independent Scotland would participate in unilateral invasions of other countries.

We have nuclear weapons because we are part of the UK.

We took part in the invasion of Iraq because we are part of the UK. We may well see our troops sent to Iran for the same reason.

To describe these actions as 'policies' is somewhat wide of the mark. They are in fact the manifestation of the UK's determination to remain a global superpower, at any cost.

An independent Scotland would have no such ambitions.

58

Spotter,

03/09/2007 08:31:29

WELL DONE SALMOND THIS HAS MADE MY DAY

59

Billy,

Germany 03/09/2007 08:32:44

Congratulations SNP , showing Labour what it means to govern. They are laying the foundations of a new scottish society after the decades of Labour corruption and decay. I bet the opposition benches don't know what's hit them.

The changing of the name to Goverment is very important, again the SNP are showing they mean buisness . They will be running the country without looking for approval from their masters. And that's the difference. The SNP put Scotland first EVERY time unlike Labour who could only go so far without
upsetting their London Masters. Just check back to see how many decisions they didn't have the guts to make, and asked London to make it for them.

3rd rate people unfit for purpose from top to bottom.
Expect to see a whole plethora of Labour MSPS and councillors retiring, with or without pensions ,performance bonuses, redundancy payoffs and , of course the brown envelopes, rather
than compete and be humiliated by, the SNP during an
election campaign. Labour MSPS must be dizzy just trying to formulate some kind of policies to counteract the SNP. Too late they have been left in the SNP slipstream and hopefully they will all soon disappear over the horizon to spend more time with their families or "life partners" as they like to call them. Oh the times they are a changing.

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Teamdroid,

03/09/2007 08:34:18

I read the Scotsman online this morning, and surprisingly not a whiff of a follow-up to yesterday's "Send a 10k cheque to meet the First Minister" scandal in the SoS. http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=867&id=139529... I'm shocked and disgusted. Surely such a major scandal at the heart of our politics should be thoroughly investigated?

Oh wait, it was another lame Murdo McClod attack piece. Will the Scotsman/SoS ever stop cringing, or will they just be honest for once, and rename themselves the North Briton/North Britain on Sunday?

I'm not even going to bother reading this rag online anymore, it's sunk so far.

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Bermuda Bie,

Edinburgh 03/09/2007 08:34:58

So the first thing he is done in 100+ days is change names from a nonsense one to a nonsense one for £100,000 plus plus plus. Sad numpty midget!

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Ex-pat observer,

03/09/2007 08:36:07

#50 - Scotland is free to decide her future and has been for many decades. Self-determination = freedom, and Scots have self-determination. Thereare hundreds of millions across the world who do not and talking about freedom for Scotaldn demeans their suffering.

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Ex-pat observer,

03/09/2007 08:40:38

#63 - Absolutely free to do all of that by voting in the SNP and negotiating the break-up of the UK. The fact is that Scotland has not chosen to do that, which is why Scotland is still a part of the UK.

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Geoff,

Sunny South Africa 03/09/2007 08:41:54

68 Miss H-"it is inconceivable that Scotland would want to maintain a nuclear arsenal"
Absolutely-an SNP Scotland would rather hide under the nuclear umbrella of the USA,France and the remainder of the UK.
One question-do you believe that the West should unilaterally abandon its nuclear weapons?

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Non political,

Stockbridge Primary (Full, great school) 03/09/2007 08:44:38

While all this"renaming of things" may have some psychological "boost" effect on some of us Scots the fact remains that it looks to a Lot of people here in Edinburgh that Emperor Salmond is merely "fiddling about" while Rome burns.

To most parents their childrens education Is the MOST important single thing that our local/national "government" does for us and if it messes that one thing up, then.......


Please fix it.

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Edward,

03/09/2007 08:46:15

#61 Nick_Byrne, Glasgow
You seem to miss the point
The term Government is more appropriate and reflects Scotland's standing. Or would you prefer that it was mearly a parish council??
Funny thing is Scottish Government was proposed by the Libdems some time back but didnt do anything about it, it is also supported by Wendy Alexander.
If its good enough for all the Canadian provinces and all the Austrlian states, why is it to good for Scotland?
Its about time you and the rest of the unioist junkies woken up and had a reality check
At least the SNP are puting some pride back into Scotland, what did Labour do for the last 50 years of dominance in Scotland, simply they did nothing but screw Scotland and perpetuated the myth that Scotland isnt up to the task. Scotland is a more than capable nation state, its about time the pro unionist junkies realised that and stopped putting Scotland down!

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Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 03/09/2007 08:47:30

#68 I support Trident and have no problems with nuclear weapons.

I find the SNP's decision to take Scotland off the world stage and have virtually no defences incredibly alarming.

"An independent Scotland would have no such ambitions."

Exactly, it would just stick it's head in the sand and look to itself.

The world doesn't work that way.

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Ex-pat observer,

03/09/2007 08:49:49

#75 - It is worth remembering that in general election after general election the Scots have given most of their votes to political parties that support the UK's independent nuclear deterrent. In the last general election, held just two years ago, they also gave the majority of their votes to parties that suported the invasion of Iraq. To see these two policies as having ben somehow inflicted on Scots just does not stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

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Queen D,

Glasgow 03/09/2007 08:50:12

Brian Hill, should'nt mock the afflicted(but you did make me laugh!!)

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Antonine Plato,

Glasgow 03/09/2007 08:50:35

http://platosway.blogspot.com

I'd be well surprised if the rebrand had only cost the tax payer £100k! More money aimed at solving the real problems in society, i'm so glad we've been allowed to look after our own affairs...

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Edward,

03/09/2007 08:50:46

#76 Non political(NOT REALLY)
Give us a break
Its selfish parents like you that have caused the schools in Edinburgh to be in a shambolic mess!!
There are schools that are half empty and other schools that are too full. THere are schools that claim to be over the 60% threshhold, but contain at least 42 to 62 % from outside the catchment area
Perhaps if parents sent there children to the school that was in there own catchment area, instead of driving them to one thats outside there own area, the schools wouldnt be in such a mess!

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Edward,

03/09/2007 08:52:51

#80 W U Merchant, Aberdeen
Why do you say its a waste of money, apart from the usual inuendo that you come from Aberdeen!
The Scottish people are getting better.
Scotland has a Government, what is wrong with that?

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Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 03/09/2007 08:52:55

#77 I don't mss the point, titles mean nothing - actions do - it could be called the "Just a bunch of folks with all the power" and it wouldn't make a difference if they did a good job.

But this rebranding just emphasises the view held by many that all Salmond wants to do is push independence and endulge in self engrandisement.

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Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 03/09/2007 08:53:17

As we trudge our weary way to work this morning, the vast majority couldn't care less about the change of title from Scottish Executive to Scottish Government.
We live in a democracy and, love 'em or hate 'em, the Nationalists are in power at Holyrood.
As Unionists, I suppose many of us hope the SNP balloon will burst and they will simply disappear like "snaw aff a dyke" but in truth, whether we like it or not, this political party is here to stay!
After Kier Hardie founded the Independent Labour Party the arrogant Liberal and Tory patrician politicians of that era scoffed at the possibility of Labour ever becoming a mainstream political party?
Well, Unionists have made the same mistake with the SNP.
Like the vast majority of the Scottish population, IF you had told me 30 years ago that some day Scotland would have its own devolved parliament with a Nationalist government in power
then I too would have never believed such an outcome!
It is now reality although the SNP tenure at Holyrood will in all probability be lucky to last more than a year or two at most but as long as they are here they are our devolved government just like the Labour/Lib-Dem coalition last time round!

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Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 03/09/2007 08:57:58

I think Westminster ought to legislate on a school uniform for the Scottish whatever we are going to call it now.
That way Mr Salmond would be able to show his opposition to the Union at very little cost to the taxpayer simply by having a huge knot in his tie and very little hanging down, not tucking his shirt in, and perhaps wearing tartan socks instead of grey ones.

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Riley Hamish,

EDINBURGH 03/09/2007 09:04:30

#2 JALOPENO.......the Brainless Adonis of Scotland

Whit a nasty wee mean-spirited jobby you are sir........and rapidly becoming a joke figure on these posts. Crawl back under yer stone in the swamp you call home !!

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Edward,

03/09/2007 09:10:23

#87 Jalepeno
Apart from your tirade, do you actually have anything constructive to say, or do you just get your kicks by putting others down?
Just to correct you
*Independence is a countries inaliable right, which is why Ireland became independent, why India became independent, or do you think they made a 'teenage' mistake and want to be part of Britain again?
*The Scottish Government was proposed by Scottish Labour in 2001 and also by the Libdems later, it is also supported by Wendy Alexander presently. So why do you put the SNP down, because there doing it
*The term Government is used by all provinces in Canada, States in Australia and all the German Lande, so what is wrong with Scotland using the same term?
Not really sure why you accused me of being thick or had a tirade, perhaps thats just to cover up your own disantvantages

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Media 1,

cape town 03/09/2007 09:11:33

I support a move to clamp down on heinous crimes such as rape, I deplore air guns and there is other reasons to be positive regarding the re-opening of parliament.

The re-branding issue is acceptable, there is nothing wrong with a name change from Scottish Executive to Scottish Government. However, the change from the Royal Coat of Arms to a Saltire is alarming.

Scotland as it exists today, exists as part of the union. That may change one day, highly unlikely, but it could happen. But until it does it is essential that we respect the union we are part of, therefore, the Royal Coat of Arms should remain.

But that aside, changing it to the Saltire is not exactly embracing all Scottish cultures in the modern era, is it?

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Edward,

03/09/2007 09:12:36

#90 Jalepeno
Now we know that your incapable of reasoned thought, for some reason you somehow think that the SNP party has the same ideals as the BNP
You really should start getting out more and perhaps reading what the SNP stand for would also be a good start

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Edward,

03/09/2007 09:14:00

#92 Media1
'changing it to the Saltire is not exactly embracing all Scottish cultures in the modern era, is it?'
Care to explain?

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Gerry Rourke,

Ayr 03/09/2007 09:14:59

Vanity, thy name is Salmond.

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Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 03/09/2007 09:19:38

#91 "Independence is a countries inaliable right"

Idealistic nonsense.

No rights are inalienable - they are given or taken.

In no way does any group of people have the automatic right to nationhood.

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Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 03/09/2007 09:22:12

#94 Rejection of our crown for a forced seperatist agenda.

86

Doh,

03/09/2007 09:23:37

New session
New name
New labour

heard it all before

87

Gerry Rourke,

Ayr 03/09/2007 09:24:10

I suggest that the Auditor General Mr Robert Black be invited to verify the cost of this "rebranding".

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Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 03/09/2007 09:26:11

Might I point out that the Scottish Parliament building is situated within the boundaries of the ancient kingdom of Northumbria. Can we have it back please ?

PS You can keep the bits of bamboo cane.

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howyoudoingboy;,

03/09/2007 09:27:23

#87Jalepeno

while believing 'jalepeno peppers are great for burgers yum...

your constant reference to excreta is becoming a cause for concern.
one can only speculate you have had difficulty at the 'ANAL' stage you seem to have developed into an 'Anal Explusive' type of personality.

There are any number of counselors available to help you.

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morris,

Edinburgh 03/09/2007 09:31:19

96 Dangerous thinking that!

Of course people have the right to freedom .Whether they are allowed to do so is another matter I agree,but there are rights recorded in United Nations agreements and are therfore enshrined in international law,Of course there are nations who think they are above the law such as the United States of Bushmerica or Great Blairistan.That does not mean they are justified ! Just arrogant!

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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 03/09/2007 09:32:00

What's in a name?

Quite a lot! - anyone involved in marketing or communications will acknowledge that this rebranding is necessary given the groundswell in Scottishness which an active executive has caused.

My questions for the unionists is - is this good or bad? - that there is an increased sense of Scottishness.

Media 1?
Nick Byrne?

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Miss H,

03/09/2007 09:32:26

99

You would need to take into account the cost of scrapping the best small country campaign.

They probably cancel each other out.

So we're no longer the best wee country in the whole wide world.

But we do have a government.

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Peter,

Kirkcudbright 03/09/2007 09:34:12

Its worth 100,000 of tax payers money just to see the Unionistas getting their knickers in a