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Published Date: 28 October 2007
IT WILL be his crowning moment of a quite astonishing year. When Alex Salmond bounds on to the stage of a packed Osprey arena at the Macdonald hotel in Aviemore at 3:30pm today, to the inevitable standing ovation, the First Minister of Scotland will know he has truly made it.
Opening the conference on Friday, Salmond said that the Scottish people would be willing to accept that the SNP celebrates a little today: it is, after all, the first time in the party's history that its leader addresses them from a position of power. Only a few short years ago, the party appeared in danger of being torn apart by internecine feuds and lost confidence.

Yesterday, one London-based newspaper chose to devote its entire front page to the land of milk and honey which the SNP now controls. Underneath the headline "Scotland 10, England 0", The Independent listed the benefits of living north of the Border, such as "free" school dinners and "no" university fees. It was not entirely accurate, but it was indicative of a mood that will see Salmond today claim that, such is the change in Scotland's political landscape, he can deliver his promised referendum on independence in 2010. Life, for Alex, has never been much better.

But as the applause dies down and cheerful SNP activists return home, the question being increasingly posed is whether Salmond's long honeymoon is about to come to a crashing end. In just over two weeks his government faces perhaps its most important date. On November 14, Finance Secretary John Swinney will reveal the government's spending plans for the next three years. Scotland's public sector - or, at least, that part of it which relies on the Scottish Government for its cash - is collectively waiting with bated breath to find out how big its budget will be.

On Salmond and Swinney's calculations hang the fates of everything from universities to hospitals, schools to roads. And it will also be the moment when voters find out whether the myriad of election pledges made by the SNP - such as freezing council tax, abolishing student debt, and recruiting an extra 1,000 police officers - will be met. At a reception for journalists in Aviemore on Friday evening, Salmond was able to joke about his failure to live up to his promises, but come the middle of November, there may be no place to hide.

Opposition parties are beginning to circle Salmond with the air of politicians who scent sweet revenge. So is the Teflon First Minister facing a first and potentially mortal blow? Or does his easy confidence in Aviemore indicate that this constantly surprising politician is about to pull off his biggest masterstroke yet?

Asking ministers about the budget at Aviemore over the weekend was a little like reminding pupils during the summer holidays that school was about to start. "You would have to bring me down!" exclaimed one minister on Friday evening, who had been enjoying the party atmosphere. "The budget is duff," said another, philosophically. "A lot of us are going to come out of this badly," he added. The view is pretty consistent: ministers are preparing for disappointment.

Their pessimism is rightly placed. Chancellor Alistair Darling announced two weeks ago that while Scotland's budget will continue to rise over the next three years, the rate of growth will slow down dramatically. Real annual increases have been as high as 7% in the years since devolution. According to Salmond - although this is disputed by Labour - the figure for next year will be just 0.5%. With government getting ever more expensive because of increased wage costs, and with vast commitments such as free personal care to deliver, the increase - to £30bn a year - just isn't enough, say Salmond's aides.

One consequence has been quiet dissent: within the Scottish Government's Edinburgh headquarters, St Andrew's House, inter-departmental warfare is said to be rife, as ministers and their civil servants battle to ensure their own budgets aren't hacked.

Ministers issued spending bids to the Finance Department over the summer, and the Finance Department then sent back its revisions. But, following Darling's spending plans two weeks ago, further cuts were imposed and many ministers have been left disappointed.

"You are trying to tell them that something is a priority. But then everything is a priority - that's the trouble," said one. One senior public sector official added: "This is the first time since the two years after New Labour took over, when they stuck to the Tory spending plans, that people are really having to tighten their belts. It's come as a real shock."

Labour politicians disagree. Finance spokesman Andy Kerr insists that the SNP knew exactly what was heading its way. "Before the election, they were boasting about all the meetings they were having with the civil service. They knew exactly what was coming their way." But Swinney insists that the funding deal offered by Darling two weeks ago was far, far more punitive than they had expected. Speaking to delegates on Friday, he claimed the government now had £700m less over the next three years than they had calculated. Add to that the £500m they say they have to spend on the Edinburgh tram project - which opposition parties voted through - and there is a big black hole in the spending plans.

As a result, tensions within Salmond's team are increasing. Last week, Salmond faced a pincer attack from both Labour and the Tories over his pledge to increase police numbers by 1,000. The First Minister insisted that he would meet his target - not through finding 1,000 new officers, but by "redeployment, recruitment and retention". A host of bad headlines followed, with Salmond accused of reneging on a key pledge. Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, forced to stay silent on the matter last week, is said to be increasingly unhappy at the state of affairs.

Another funding battle typifies the atmosphere - this time over education. Around £20m a year is due to be spent on a flagship education policy of the previous Labour administration called Determined to Succeed. Designed to nurture entrepreneurialism in schools, sports tycoon Sir Tom Hunter is a major fan of the scheme, and Education Secretary Fiona Hyslop is believed to be fighting to keep the cash.

But sources say Swinney has considered giving the funding to local authorities as a sweetener as he tries to persuade them to freeze council tax - a key election pledge. "His view is that the bulk of it should go to local authorities," says the insider "That would be a total disaster because the money would disappear."

Little wonder that Salmond's key strategic aim has been to try to ensure that Westminster gets the blame if and when budgets do get savaged. Despite having declared he wanted to work with Gordon Brown, Salmond has effectively declared war on the Westminster Government following the spending review, accusing Brown and Darling of "idiocy" and "betraying" their homeland.

His aides have already begun the softening up process, willingly conceding that they do not have enough money for all their plans for the next financial year. The high-profile plan to end student debt is likely to be one key pledge that will be put on the back burner for at least the next year. Even the big one - the deal to freeze council tax - is in the balance. Swinney last week held what were described as "productive" talks with council bosses over the freeze. But nothing has yet been settled. "No-one knows what will happen there," said one senior SNP figure last week. "We'll just have to wait and see." Swinney remains confident he can deliver the goods, but also knows full well that ultimately he can do little about it if councils decide to ignore him.

So, is Salmond heading for a fall, in the same way that Brown lost his footing so catastrophically last month?

SNP MSPs who have watched Salmond's remarkable victories over the years insist that this most canny of politicians will have a plan at his fingertips to ensure the circle is squared. One suggestion is that Swinney will find more cash by asking for even more punitive savings from departments than have already been ordered.

It is estimated that around £1bn a year could be found by ordering radical cutbacks across the board. Ministers who have already been ordered to cut back therefore find that further reductions are to be imposed.

SNP activists in Aviemore at the weekend expressed the hope that Salmond and Swinney would be able to deliver on the party's high-profile pledges, and that this would be enough to stave off damaging criticism, whatever the cuts elsewhere. "They might get knocked around a bit in the parliament but if people can be told that their council tax rates aren't going up, then that is a major victory," said one.

If he fails, however, the enemy awaits. Away from Aviemore and the spotlight of the media, Labour leader Wendy Alexander had her own party get-together on Friday last week. The behind-closed-door meeting is said to have contained a plethora of home truths for the party's MSPs. They were told their backroom team is still way, way behind the SNP's Rolls-Royce operation. They were given a severe talking-to about the lack of direction and aimlessness that has characterised it over the summer months.

Perhaps most tellingly, Tony Blair's former chief spin doctor Dave Hill arrived to lecture them on the importance of drumming home a consistent message - to point out relentlessly how Salmond puts fights and rows with Westminster ahead of the interests of the public. Those who emerged from the away-day said it had the effect of clearing the air. One MSP said: "We were pretty buoyed up after the meeting. If felt like the end of the beginning."

A straw in the wind, Labour MSPs say, was one headline last week attacking Salmond's failure to deliver on his police recruitment pledge. It has given them hope that the First Minister's honeymoon is - finally - coming to an end. Today, the relentless march of the SNP will steamroller ahead. But tomorrow, as ministers return to their civil servants and their balance sheets, the problems are stacking up. The next two weeks will be crucial to deciding whether Alex Salmond's perfect year will end on a high - or with the first signs of shortage and discontent in the land of milk and honey.

How will Swinney balance the budget?


WINNERS

Universities Ministers handed over £100m last week to pay for new buildings and capital projects. Higher education is also expected to receive a good chunk of the £169m a year it says it needs to keep standards high.

Councils The SNP's pledge to freeze council tax has the Government over a barrel. Not only are they to be offered £70m to fulfil the pledge, they are to be given far more freedom over how they spend their cash.

LOSERS

Civil servants Scottish Government administration costs are set to be stripped back to the bone. No more cushy away days for Scotland's mandarins.

Doctors Ministers have warned they may seek to renegotiate the massively expensive contracts handed to GPs and medics in a bid to save millions.

Transport May take a cut as ministers seek to find savings in their capital budget.

Quangos Efficiency savings will mean massive scrutiny placed on why bodies such as SportScotland, Scottish Enterprise and Communities Scotland need to exist.

The full article contains 1923 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

Senga Jean,

Scotland 28/10/2007 01:45:39

I know John Swinney has a laser brain but this picture does him a disservice.

2

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28/10/2007 02:21:59
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blueguru,

US 28/10/2007 03:03:08

Ironic that the anti-Scots of "Scottish" Labour, having succeeded through their leader in Westminster in sabotaging the SNP budget, are now attacking that same SNP for "not fulfilling" their election promises.

I have every confidence that my fellow Scots will see through this charade and pin the blame firmly on the donkey where it belongs.

4

Andrew D,

Brisbane 28/10/2007 03:34:36

#3

It is crazy isn't it and I hope the Scots don't get taken in by the Labour (et al) nonsense about unfulfilled election promises.

To sabotage the budget to the tune of 500mill in Scotland and 700mill from the UK and then accuse them of not meeting pledgings is pretty impressively hypocritical.

Lovely way to treat the country; as a football to be kicked and punctured for party political gain.

5

An Beal Bacht,

Travelling in Nihlon 28/10/2007 03:56:29

Un-named sources and speculation. All designed to deflate Scots optimism for the future. But all this kind of article does is demonstrate how much more we could achieve if we were independent. Unionists just don't get it. But they will!

6

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 28/10/2007 04:14:14

In the throws of a dying relationship,the one who has been in control, cannot, and will not,accept the fact that the MARRAIGE IS DEAD!

7

Rodster,

Glasgow 28/10/2007 06:13:11

Perhaps most tellingly, Tony Blair's former chief spin doctor Dave Hill arrived to lecture them on the importance of drumming home a consistent message - to point out relentlessly how Salmond puts fights and rows with Westminster ahead of the interests of the public. Those who emerged from the away-day said it had the effect of clearing the air

Herein lies the difference between the SNPovernment and Nu Labour there idea for Scoland is more negative campaigning and downing Scotland,will they never learn???
the reason for the so called"long honeymoon " for AS and The SNPovernment is that the Scottish people like positivety after 50 years of doom ,gllom and too wee ,too stupid ,too poor,and there away day with Wendy the big idea let us get more negative let us bring despondency to our country for our own political gain ,then we can get back into power and do as our Westminster bosses decree!!!
Hell never talk up Scotland ,never defend Scotland just do what we are told by Broon and all the other Westminster trough pigs!

8

Guga II,

Rockall 28/10/2007 06:46:38

This has been another election broadcast on behalf of the New Labour Numpty Party (Scottish Branch).

Election agents, The Hootsmon, Edinburgh.

9

langtonian,

scotus 28/10/2007 07:20:58

John Swinney appears to be praying for forgiveness, knowing as he must do in his heart of hearts that "terminological inexactitudes" as expressed in his speech will be shown in the fullness of time to be blatant lies.

In mitigation, he does carry a very heavy burden, similar to that "enjoyed" by the Ancient Mariner who was lashed to the mainmast with one, possibly more Albattrosses.Being the perpetrator of the death of these maritime good luck birds he had then to suffer the consequences.

John Swinney,as SNP budgetary Houdini,expected to make a fist in coming up trumps from what can be best described as a 160 day Guddle, exclusively created by First Minister of the Scottish Executive Alex Salmond.

Many and varied are those who are eagerly awaiting the forthcoming revelation's on both Manifesto/ Budgetary creations dreamed up in the ever fertile brain of our First Minister.

November the 14th- john Swinney's big budget revelation day, will go down in the annals of Scottish Political history s a cross between the opening day in August of the pheasant shooting season and an all American Christmas Time Turkey shoot.

John should be aware that on his "big budget revelation day"November the 14th,when the feathers start to fly ,the first minister and his erstwhile cabinet Colleagues will have their vulnerable heads well bellow the parapet when the feathers come home to roost, on his desk.

Keep your pecker up John we all know it is just not possible to make a purse out of a sows ear.

10

Dave M,

28/10/2007 07:50:07

Langtonian

Your comments are shameful.

Scotland is experiencing a wave of optimism and all you can do is gloat about how it going to come crashing down.

There may well be budgetary setbacks due to Westminster skulduggery but there is no turning back the clock now.

11

big bad,

28/10/2007 07:55:37

One, two, three, four...
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)

Let me tell you how it will be;
There's one for you, nineteen for me.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

(if you drive a car, car;) - I’ll tax the street;
(if you try to sit, sit;) - I’ll tax your seat;
(if you get too cold, cold;) - I’ll tax the heat;
(if you take a walk, walk;) - I'll tax your feet.

Taxman!

'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Don't ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Salmond)
If you don't want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister Swinney)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Now my advice for those who die, (taxman)
Declare the pennies on your eyes. (taxman)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

And you're working for no one but me.

Taxman! Mr Alex Salmond

12

David MacVicar,

web 28/10/2007 08:05:34

"quite astonishing year."

Not from the SNP performance, its what I expect from a political party - turning an executive into a government was pretty remarkable though. Personally I had hoped they would have challenged some of the duplicity of the Unionist parties still further - holy trinity, Blatant London control and interference in devolved matters (or did all 46 Labour WMSPs really think the Framers should get fcuk all?). I would also like to see a total refusal to increase MSP salaries this year given the 'tight' budget and no increase in Wendies finances!

What has been astonishing is just how bereft of talent London Scottish Labour really is and how difficult it has been for them to accept defeat. Perhaps the Unionist Scottish press is partly at fault, considering articles like the one above from Unionists sycophants like Barnes.

What we are seeing is the decline and Fall of the Westminster run apologist Empire. Full of intrigue, 'et tu numpte', and open attempts to block the Scottish ministers from the South.

Blair wouldnt even talk to our new FM. Statesmen? Peace envoy? Des Browne stating that he will try to force Nuclear on a population who elected a party on an anti Nuclear platform.

Shows you the Anti democratic contempt Westminster Labour have for Scotland. At long last though we are really in the early days of a better nation.

13

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 28/10/2007 08:15:38

#10
“Many and varied are those who are eagerly awaiting the forthcoming revelation's on both Manifesto/ Budgetary creations dreamed up in the ever fertile brain of our First Minister.”

Quite so, and I expect Greggs are even now, preparing industrial quantities of humble pie to be delivered to all those cringing servile cretins, such as yourself, who are content to see us being fed the crumbs, whilst others feast at our table.

14

big bad,

28/10/2007 08:22:38

#13

"turning an executive into a government "

s'funny that whenever i listen to bbc radio (4 etc) they always refer to Scottish Executive but constitutionally they are correct.

your arithmetic is a bit iffy the snp are a minority in the Scottish parliament.

you show anti democratic contempt towards the majority opposition yerself

15

David MacVicar,

web 28/10/2007 09:02:22

15. big bad

"you show anti democratic contempt towards the majority"

Feel free to criticise anything I said in my post , however you singularly fail to do so. I primarily criticised Westminster run Scottish Labour MSPs (ie WMSPs). Show me why that showed contempt to the majority, please? Or are you also in denial?

16

frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/10/2007 09:12:04

NEWS FLASH - 14 NOV 2007.

John Swinney, The Scottish Finance Minister, announced, today, an aspirational budget aimed at addressing the most pressing needs of civic Scotland. Measures included addressing poverty, health, education and unacceptable waste in public spending. He also announced measures to put more police officers on our streets in order to reduce criminal and anti-social behaviour.

A spokesperson for NuLabour said, "This budget is nothing more than the SNP playing politics. When are they going to implement all the broken promises they have failed to keep?"

Another source close to the NuLabour leader said, "How can we be asked to believe that the SNP can deliver what we, in the NuLab/LibDem majority administration, failed to in our 8 years?"

17

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 28/10/2007 09:41:41

What, no anti-monarchist rants from Boy Wonder and plenty of unjustified expletives and insults aimed at me?

Either the moon has turned blue or he is having a lie-in.

18

John S,

28/10/2007 09:42:01

Labour may snipe, but resolute SNP are the real deal.

http://www.sundayherald.com/oped/opinion/display.var.1791...

19

Olav,

Maryhill 28/10/2007 10:04:54

Scots will only remember the poor financial deal from Westminster, and the betrayal by Brown and Darling, plus all the other Westminster snides to Scotland (Lybia, Fisheries, Sheep, Trident, Iraq, Gould,..the list is mounting daily). The SNP Gov is a breath of fresh air and gives our nation a credibility and confidence it has not had for 300 years - even if they don't fulfil their promises, which is after all due to the tight budget and the Lab-Lid-Con bammy tram scheme. Folk are no stupid, or as bias as you Eddie!

20

Rodster,

Glasgow 28/10/2007 10:46:07

Wini you never cease to amaze me with your rank stupidity and crass provocation.
Yuo are the reason that many of us are so inclined to end this dreadful Union.
your ignorance of facts and inability to articulate one reasonable argument for the staus quo of the Uniopn are a credit to the Independence movement keep posting keep talking you are a godsend to the emancipation of self determination in Scotland.
Of course putting it simply so you understand
You are a completre moron!!!

21

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 28/10/2007 10:51:51

#21
Drivel

I guess your having a giraffe…….

22

Kenya,

28/10/2007 10:53:17

22. Seems Wini touch a raw nerve!

23

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 28/10/2007 11:18:40

#24
“Wini” is really a plant, kidding on to be a unionist , but really a pro-independence poster who writes such obvious tripe hoping to be shot down by those who take the bait.

His/Her feeds are so obvious that they should only entrap the attention of the most gullible.

No-one can be as cretinous as this poster appears to be.

Can they ?

24

megz,

glasgow 28/10/2007 11:23:02

wini while i respect your opinion i disagree with the picture you paint of nationalist. I myself am one and none of the words you used could describe me or any other nationalist i know. I'm sure there will be a minority, like with the labour party supporters, who do indeed display these characteristics but that shouldn't cloud your judgement of the rest of us.

25

The Grandson of Winged Messenger,

28/10/2007 11:31:52

The time for change is afoot! The steamroller independence is going to crush all in its wake - just you all wait! Unionists may say that we won't have the same money to fund bread and butter necessities, such as health and education, once the oil money runs out, but we all know that Scotland will be able to exploit its other abundant natural resources to fill this gap! We all know that this is what Alex and the new look SNP are all about! I've not been more excited since we all shouted "free by '93"! I can feel that we're really on the right road this time!

26

megz,

glasgow 28/10/2007 11:33:21

indeed look at the state of glasgow is it a coincidence that it is a labour stronghold? I think not, it is the same with large parts of pailsey. Keeping the people in a state of perpetual benefits to remain in power, and their noses in the trough is the labour way to run a country. Its time for people to start taking responsibility. they need to get a job, actually pay attention to where your kids are not leaving them to roam the streets in gangs. Alot of people seem to expect the government to sort everything for them, a benefit of the nanny/police state labour wants.

27

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 28/10/2007 11:50:11

#29

Thank you for your response.

I still think that you are some kind of “agent provocateur”.

As far as my education is concerned, I would suggest that you consider the derivation of my user-name , and consider whether this may originate from Edinborough, wherever that may be.

28

NERIED,

Glasgow 28/10/2007 12:12:34

Headline if Scotland is short-changed by Westminster..
SCOTLAND SHORT-CHANGED SAYS SALMOND

Headline if Scotland gets a fair settlement from Westminster (whatever Swinney says it was more than they were expecting)....
SCOTLAND SHORT-CHANGED SAYS SALMOND

Headline if Scotland gets the equivalent of a lottery win for everyone from Westminster.....

SCOTLAND SHORT-CHANGED....yeah, well, you know the rest.

Nuff said..

29

sonofhamish,

edinburgh 28/10/2007 12:19:00

All those years of claiming 'other' political parties didn't keep up with their election promises are about to catch up with the SNP.

Now people will see they are no different from anyone else, in fact they are worse, because they will do and say anything to slip a referendum that only 1/4 Scots support under the radar.

And is it me or does Salmons giant grinning mug looming above the stage look very Orwellian?

30

Mad King Bambo,

Roon at Flabskin's bit 28/10/2007 13:01:41

#26 Harris:

*“Wini” is really a plant....*

Many a truth spoken in jest. The key to it all is contained in the report:

"...most tellingly, Tony Blair's former chief spin doctor Dave Hill arrived ...point out relentlessly how Salmond puts fights and rows with Westminster ahead of the interests of the public..."

As in: Things are going badly. Will we have a period of honest and critical self-analysis, acknowledge our past failings, and seek to address them? Or will we make up even bigger lies and push them even harder?

'Wini' is part of the answer. A 'Policy Wonk' from London Liebour Headquarters with a crib sheet and fifteen minutes training in 'How to be a Scotlandishperson'.

Such obvious giveaways as:

'Scots in England' - Perhaps you mean 'Scot in England' or 'Scotsman/woman in England'...

Scornful refernces to Glasgow in an effort to denigrate the SNP. Anybody who has ever actually set foot across the border understands that Glasgow is a byword for Labour Party graft, incompetence, venality and misgovernment.

Finally, and most pitifully: "I'm away the noo". Whoever included this on the cribsheet should be shot. Wini will be wishing us all a "Hoots Mon" next.

31

malcolmcean,

Glasgow 28/10/2007 13:08:53

My, my, my, what a contrast this article and its responses make with the main opinion piece in the Sunday Herald.

There, both Iain McWhirter and the lead editorial writer offer a balanced, optimistic, machination-free account of their own feelings of the state of Scotland under the SNP. The comments which follow almost universally echo the optimist and hope which the articles speak of.

What do we have here? A gurning piece of 'it'll all fall apart' Cassandrian journalism, full of all the sort of pessimism and destructivist tendencies familiar to the dark corners of Labourite philosophy. The comments which follow sparkle with glee at the prosepct of the civic nation falling to pieces.

The obstructionist, bemoaning, spite-filled girnfest with which Labour are trying to take Scotland back to the dark ages is shocking. The philosophical idea which informs the approach is no different to that of the IRA in Belfast in the '70s or the Khmer Rouge. Both tried to destroy the infrastructure (economic and political) of the civic nation which their enemies had created, in order that they could make the civic nation unworkable and thus hasten them to power.

The philosophy is clear: our way or we smash the room up.

Dangerous times for Scotland. In order to protect Scotland and the very fabric of the civic nation, the government must watch the Labour party very carefully.

32

Mad King Bambo,

Roon at Flabskin's bit 28/10/2007 13:09:47

Sorry Harris I neglected to mention 'Edinbrough'.

Fact is most Liebour Policy Wonks don't actually realise 'Edinbrough' is in Scotland:

"Scotland! Don't be silly dahling. Aih've been to the Festivaly thingy in Edinbrough and all my chums from Islington were there too! It's somewhere to the north of London near the M25..."

33

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 13:11:00

19 John S - thanks for that link
39 - Malcolm - indeed, I liked this from the Herald:

"It is the SNP's performance in office, political self-confidence, and the language of optimism it has introduced into public affairs that is the source of its strength. The unprecedented level of popularity enjoyed by this administration is a result of the transformation it has wrought in political expectations in Scotland. In the past five months, people have begun to believe Scotland really could change for the better"

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Mad King Bambo,

Roon at Flabskin's bit 28/10/2007 13:17:18

#38

Fair enough Wini. Exactly how many Scots in England are you?

36

John S,

28/10/2007 13:25:09

Press Assoc. - Sunday, October 28 - A third of English voters believe it is time for the country to split from Scotland, according to a new opinion poll.
In a survey carried out by the Sunday Mail, 33% of those questioned said they supported England being independent of Scotland.
Fifty-five per cent were in favour of keeping the Union and 12% said they did not know.
It is an increase on the 31% who said they were in favour of breaking the union when the newspaper carried out the same poll a year ago.
The Sunday Mail's figures also suggest that there is more support for independence in England than in Scotland.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20071028/tuk-33-of-engl...

37

Masque,

28/10/2007 14:16:30

#18. get over yourself, you sad twonk.

38

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 28/10/2007 14:22:44

Just in case you thought that in England it was only Telegraph readers who bleat on about subsidy junkie Jocks read this from the Indpendent:

http://ios.typepad.com/ios/2007/10/scotland-v-engl.html#c...

39

langtonian,

scotus 28/10/2007 14:35:40

#14Harris Tweedy

In acknowledgement of your comments, which indicate a sound working knowledge of Gregg's and all matters pertaining to the manufacture of large pies,
it is news to me that Gregg's now deliver,obviously you, have suffered some form of malaise from only feeding on crumbs.

As for finding confirmation of my previous notelet with regard to the "shenanigans" being perpetrated by a minority Separatist, SNP executive , do try not to miss the "goings on" from Aviemore. On BBC 2@3 o'clock-5.
Feast your eyes on audience whereby,

Anyone taken as an individual is tolerably sensible and reasonable_as a member of a crowd at once becomes a blockhead.Indeed it is a very great surprise to me that you are not there in the crowd.

40

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 14:45:09

18 Or nobody really cared what you wrote?

41

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 14:46:31

47 Must be quite a crowd in your living room as you typed that?

42

Meths,

28/10/2007 14:46:46

If you really want a balanced piece of journalism, try this......

http://tinyurl.com/2zhueo

43

Meths,

28/10/2007 14:49:08

Ayrshire

I notice our "friend" Langtonian has arrived. I wonder if we'll get a row for doing a chat room .... remember ... when everyone was on after the football.

44

Meths,

28/10/2007 14:51:30

#10 langtonian

"Keep your pecker up John we all know it is just not possible to make a purse out of a sows ear."

It actually is. The trouble is that it would be made out of pig....perhaps you meant silk purse out of a sow's ear.

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Nikostratos,

28/10/2007 14:57:34

#41 aye scott

19 John S - thanks for that link
39 - Malcolm - indeed, I liked this from the Herald:

http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/features/display.var....

"It is in this game that Alex Salmond promised more than he could deliver during the election campaign. The row over "1000 extra police" is dangerous territory for him. It was a big, brassy unqualified commitment, the kind used by opposition politicians who have never had to implement plans in the face of the unforeseen, difficult complexities of government, with the tight budgets we all knew were on the way"


anybody can do it ayre old bean

46

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 15:00:03

51 Meths, hi

oh, aye, I had forgotten - he said we were wasting time, then counted and scored all our posts....

I don't think he will do that today - he has a big crowd in house to look after (he his neo mentlsm) . No doubt he invited them round so they could throw all feces at the TV during Alex Salmond's speech, which is just coming on now.

47

langtonian,

scotus 28/10/2007 15:00:06

#17frank mcbride,
At 3pm-to 5 pm on BBC2 you should be able to observe the following,
1)The audience with happy smiling face's, they are under orders from the party kommissariat to do so.
2)No public question and answer opportunity will be tolerated,could cause severe embarrassment.
3)Pay no attention to the lack of ordinary working class pleb's , Separatist economics does not really deal at such levels.
4)Pity we can not view the departing delegations,these SNP will slip into their 4x4s ,BMW's
probably a couple of bus loads trailed in for the day

5)All in All great scene's of back slapping happy people.

6) Pity that NOVEMBER 14th could go down in History as the day Alex Salmond got an inkling that he would be much better of plying his Machiavellian talents in Westminster/House of Lords

48

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 15:01:08

53 Niko

but not everyone can add peripatetic and extraneous 'e's to Scottish place names to make new ones the way you do... where are you from?

49

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 15:05:14

55
"2)No public question and answer opportunity will be tolerated,could cause severe embarrassment."

I bet no pensioners are physically assaulted and huckled out the SNP conference for daring to comment on an illegal war though....

50

Meths,

28/10/2007 15:08:29

http://tinyurl.com/2zhueo

It's the balanced Herald take on the SNP.

DUNCAN'S THERE! I've wished him all the best.

51

Nikostratos,

Tannochbrae 28/10/2007 15:09:21

#56 Ayrshire Scot™

not sure what you mean perwhats so evry

anyway here is something to cheer you up

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2200690,...

David Cameron is determined to exploit Mr Brown's vulnerability on that front, pressing for constitutional changes that would restrict the voting rights of Scottish Westminster MPs on matters of English jurisdiction. Stoking that debate may seem like a clever way of undermining the Prime Minister's legitimacy as a national leader, but it also risks sabotaging the Union. Too drastic a restriction of Scottish MPs' role at Westminster would essentially turn the Commons into an English parliament. Like a couple moving into separate bedrooms, England and Scotland would be destined for divorce.

If the Tories are happy to hasten the end of the Union, they have a golden opportunity to do it. In Alex Salmond, they have a willing partner. But if that is not David Cameron's intention, he should tread carefully. He must avoid making mischief over Gordon Brown's Scottishness. There are many honourable ways to attack a British Prime Minister - on his record, on his ideology, on his policies. Querying his commitment to serve the four nations of the UK equally is not one of them.

52

Meths,

28/10/2007 15:09:35

Good afternoon langtonian. If you need help, click on the following.

http://tinyurl.com/27vecs

;-)

53

Meths,

28/10/2007 15:10:31

I see mystic Meg's here......

54

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Wittering Town 28/10/2007 15:14:42

It must be a very worrying time for Unionists everywhere after another unfolding Royal Scandal is about to crash down on one of the pillars of the U.K. Constitution; Sir Malcom Rifkind's ludicrous anti-Scottish proposals to prevent non-English M.P.'s voting on English matters; and the result of todays poll in a Scottish Sunday newspaper which surprisingly indicates that ONE THIRD of the opinion sample would now prefer independence for ...........ENGLAND!
The Gods look down favourably on Gallus Alex!

55

Nikostratos,

Tannochbrae 28/10/2007 15:24:31

you lot of s.n.p drones really should be reading the pro s.n.p Guardian(observer) today


The SNP shows it is suited to power

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/scotland/story/0,,2200798,...

Canny Salmond tricks the English

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/scotland/story/0,,2200710,...

56

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 28/10/2007 16:02:46

Ayrshire Scot

You seem to have it in for everybody today.

Sad, really.

And why you would take the time to trademark such a nonentity as yourself is beyond human comprehension.

You are new to these forums, I believe. Perhaps you could be a good boy - or girl - and BEHAVE YOURSELF, sweetie.

57

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 16:05:38

64 Tim

big hugs.

Viva Alex Salomd! What a brilliant speech he is giving - pity you can't see it in Canada. What a dynamic, optimistic programme for Scotland! What a brilliant first minister.

Have a lovely day!

58

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

28/10/2007 16:15:14

gon yersel big eck!

59

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 16:17:54

Scotland the 6th richest nation in the world independent - according to Government figures.

Viva Alex Salmond!

60

karin m,

28/10/2007 16:25:10

what a briliant speech by our first minister of our scottish government. i especially liked the bit about the best country in the world.

61

Nikostratos,

Tannochbrae 28/10/2007 16:29:36

#68

best little country in the world

62

Davie from Irvine,

Ayrshire coast 28/10/2007 16:32:10

blueguru @ 3 spot on well said.

63

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 16:35:21

69

3rd richest country in Europe, 6th richest country in the world, independent, on GDP per head.

64

Meths,

28/10/2007 17:04:39

Nikostaples.

65

Meths,

28/10/2007 17:04:56

Dayglo duck

66

Meths,

28/10/2007 17:05:07

kranal

67

Meths,

28/10/2007 17:05:28

Bangonthedoor...where are they "all"?

68

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 28/10/2007 17:06:44

#69

Only little in the minds of those who have little minds.

69

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 17:11:39

76

in that case we have a nano Scotland in Niko's mind.

70

big bad,

28/10/2007 17:19:18

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2753976.ece

SIR Jackie Stewart, the former motor-racing world champion, has accused his fellow Scots of being lazy and overdependent on public sector “jobs for life”.


MacKenzie, who is being investigated by police for allegedly inciting racial hatred, said he was delighted a prominent Scot had now endorsed his comments. “The Scots may not want to take notice of someone like me but I hope they take notice of someone like Sir Jackie,” he said.

71

karin m,

28/10/2007 17:30:29

69 Ha ha ha ha

You just dont get it do you. Your History. Your the past. Your over Your ended. Your unionist parties are in tatters in scotland. Scotland is rising in the UK. Scotland is Rising on the world stage. Scotland is rising in peoples minds. Scotland is rising among scots. Scots themselves are rising and embracing nationalism and all the unionists can do is harp on about what happened before what was said before. They cannot or will not see its not about the past its about looking onwards and upwards to the future. You would think that when scotland dumped the cringers and moaners of unionist parties that they would have seen the light and grapped optimism but no they would rather condemn scotland and say oh we cannae dae it without england. The only way the unionists are going to get back into power in scotland ever again is to fall in love with federalism instead of trying to cling like a limpet to the status quo of unionism. Unionist like it or lump it things have changed and are changing in scotland. The more you dig your heels in then the more your going to bury them and your parties in the past. You either change or we leave you behind its a simple as that. Unless the unionists embrace more powers for the scottish parliament and what these powers should be then the snp will be in government for a very very long time to come. I await the nay sayers and cringers of the unionists to tell me how wrong i am and how right they are and how the snp havent done this and havent done that. They will be unable to come up with what their parties would do if in power all they will bleat on about it what the snp should be doing. They have no idea of constuctive criticism all the poor wee downtrodden souls have is they cannae dae that, we cannae dae that.

72

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 17:54:14

80, yeah, but he was never Jim Sillars. I think the measured, statesman like approach is right to woo the doubting unionists?

73

langtonian,

scotus 28/10/2007 17:55:17

#60 Meths
TYVM. A very intriguing piece of equipment, regret I only have he previous model, and of course digitally speaking (including added extra of toes)when compared to your very up market supa-counta
one does feel quite miffed that the world is a very ill-divided orb.

Never mind I still have the 14th of November to look forward to.Every cloud has a silver lining

74

langtonian,

scotus 28/10/2007 18:14:40

#52Spotted my deliberate mistake,good on you my Goodman, keep up the good work, really most awfully decent of you to go to all that bother.

... --- ...

75

Meths,

28/10/2007 18:15:38

Langtonian

Talk to you on the 14th Langtonian. We'll see what happens then. Are we OK now? I blame the drink & the foorball!

76

Meths,

28/10/2007 18:16:43

I have invented a new word...FOORBALL.

It should of course be football....unless you know differently?

77

Nikostratos,

28/10/2007 18:22:10

#79

all that from an englander incomer go home hen

78

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 18:33:24

87

Oh dear, we have reached a sorry pass when unionists are telling people to "go home".

Where were you thinking Niko?

Perhaps KarinM is home here in Scotland? Certainly for me and the SNP if that is what she wants then she is.

One knows it is a great day for the SNP when unionists get so shrill, strident and full of their inverted racism.

Great news on prescription charges, the M8, a faster rail service between Glasgow-Edinburgh didn't you think Niko? Oh, that's right, unionists like you don't really care for the fabric or future of Scotland, do you?

79

karin m,

28/10/2007 18:47:27

87 whats up niko do you only like english "unionists". Ah the racism and negativity lurking beneath the skin of unionists is never far away is it. How negative. As i said until they embrace at least federalism then the other parties in scotland will stay stuck in the past.

80

Nikostratos,

28/10/2007 18:52:07

#88 Ayrshire Scot™

Karin was being nasty to me not nice at all. But i do promise not to tell her to go home ever again and i am not a racist.

i don't know any girls named 'shrill' so am unable to get one.

and the last bit of your post about how much higher tax in Scotland will be on the ordinary person isn't much to boast about.

Oh i forgot Oil for this Oil for that ..black gold....Oil beyond the dreams of avarice.

sorry karin won't do it again......


Federalism is no so bad

81

Grandson of Winged Messenger,

28/10/2007 19:07:35

"the question being increasingly posed is whether Salmond's long honeymoon is about to come to a crashing end"

People keep using the term "honeymoon" and it's well past its sell-by date.

When will people get it into their heads that the SNP are simply doing a better job of government than Labour or anyone else in Scotland has ever done, and that they will continue to do so?

When will unionists begin to admit it and stop making fools of themselves?

At what point will it become clear to unionists that their position is untenable?

When will people get it into their heads that independence is best for Scotland, as it is for any country?

I think it's time that everyone in Scotland simply started gearing up for full on independence and stopped all the mucking around.

82

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 19:43:45

92 perhaps the first literal use of "ball and chain" to grace our threads

83

Ayrshire Scot™,

28/10/2007 20:11:50

95

you spelt it "noo" before.

Could you ask whoever banned you from posting "with" me to ban AM2 as well - he is close to lunatic meltdown on the other thread.

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28/10/2007 20:28:51
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Jim P,

Netherlands 28/10/2007 21:00:43

This is so funny I'm cross-posting it from the Herald. InterviewGreat interview on BBC World News and elsewhere on 26th Oct at start of the SNP conference. After Salmond interview, the following 2 street interviews occur.

Mannie 1. "I think that there's a renewed confidence in Scotland since the nationalists got in."

Mannie 2 wi wifie. "They've done nothin. Not a thing. Not a. They havnae done. What huv they done?

Watch for yourself in the video of SNP Conference begins:
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=a...

86

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Prolific 29/10/2007 00:31:07

#26. Harris tweed and levi's 501

"No-one can be as cretinous as this poster appears to be ... Can they ?"

Oh yes they can. Do the initials GC not ring a bell?!

87

Kung-Half-Fu,

Cathay Prolific 29/10/2007 00:33:44

#98. Jim P, Netherlands

Yes, I caught that clip too. Mannie 2 plus Wifie 2 ... what can I say? Great advert for ... where?

88

Senga Jean,

Scotland 29/10/2007 00:35:24

#98 I recognise that "do nuthinn guy" .He is the local Labour councillor speaking for the first and last time in this area. He is a jabbermouth!


 

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