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Published Date:
02 September 2007
THE Scottish Executive is to be renamed the Scottish Government this week in the biggest change to the country's political identity since devolution.
First Minister Alex Salmond is to officially declare that, from tomorrow, all documents, letters and publicity material should carry the new name in what he says is a "common sense change".

At the same time, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom will be removed from all the Scottish Government's official documents and replaced with a saltire.

Yesterday, workmen began to pull down the "Scottish Executive" sign outside the government's Victoria Quay building in Leith. Today, the new signage will be erected prior to the official re-branding.

Salmond's move comes seven years after the then Labour-led Scottish Executive first aired the possibility of changing the name, after complaints that the old title was meaningless to most

people. It triggered a backlash from Labour MPs, who argued that the move represented "the break-up of the United Kingdom".

Last night, UK ministers launched a fresh attack, claiming the move was a "waste of money". Salmond will spend £100,000 on the changes, which they say will be spent on designing new signs and developing the new corporate image.

Salmond will mark the re-branding this Wednesday, when the SNP government's legislative programme will become the first official document to officially bear the new title.

However, despite the name change, the "Scottish Executive" will continue to be the legal name of the government in Scotland and will still be used in the text of bills and contracts. A legal change would have required a change to the Scotland Act, which ministers decided was not needed at this time.

The move comes as Salmond prepares to move into phase two of his term in office, following a highly successful summer when he has seen his poll ratings soar.

He will mark the new term in office with a series of bills this week, including plans to abolish the graduate endowment. He will also flesh out plans to devolve firearms legislation to Holyrood.

A Scottish Government source said: "The research clearly shows that the term 'Scottish Executive' is confusing or meaningless to people, which undermines the business of good government in Scotland.

"That has been recognised across the political parties and under successive administrations since 1999. The time is right to make this common-sense change, as the term 'Scottish Government' far more accurately explains the good work that we do on behalf of the people of Scotland. It will be rolled out on a cost-effective basis and funded entirely from existing marketing and facilities and estates budgets."

The source added: "The bottom line is that this administration has already delivered savings of around £50m through our commitment to cutting bureaucracy and reversing wasteful decisions taken by the previous administration. In other words, the cost of changing to the Scottish Government over the whole period is just 0.2% of the savings we have already identified."

But David Cairns, Scotland Office minister, said: "It just seems to me, at the time when our schools and hospitals are facing difficulties, to spend this money for the sake of Alex Salmond's vanity is just a waste of money."

He added: "The fact remains that the SNP has failed to convince Scots to buy Scottish separatism, and changing symbols on a crest isn't going to change that."

The debate over the name change began in 2001 when Labour's then chief whip Tom McCabe declared he was "open" to a name change. Ministers were said to have been lobbying in private for a change, complaining that the public did not have a grasp of their roles.

A poll subsequently found that 71% of people backed a change of name, with only 29% saying that the 'Scottish Executive' should remain.

The Scottish Lib Dems are also behind the move, while Labour leader-in-waiting Wendy Alexander has, in recent weeks, also begun to use the term 'Scottish Government' during debates.

Salmond's aides say they have conducted research which shows that, apart from Northern Ireland, there is not one English-speaking country where the term "Executive" is used to describe any layer of government.

In Wales, the Welsh Assembly Government was launched in March 2002.

However, the removal of the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom from official papers is sure to raise objections from Unionists.

The crest depicts a crowned lion, symbolising England, and a unicorn, symbolising Scotland.

A saltire design to replace the Coat of Arms will be unveiled tomorrow. SNP Ministers have already ensured that the saltire has a prominent place on the Scottish Government's website.

SNP officials also say they will consider changing current guidance on the flying of flags from government buildings to ensure that the saltire is flown outside Scottish Government buildings on every day of the year.

Currently, it must be replaced by the Union flag on certain special days, such as the Queen's birthday.

Title deeds


Other famous rebrandings:

MARATHON - SNICKERS

The chocolate bar made by Mars changed its name in Britain and Ireland in 1999 to bring it into line with the US.

JIF - CIF

Cleaning product Jif became Cif in 2001, partly because it was thought Europeans had problems pronouncing the 'J'.

WINDSCALE - SELLAFIELD

The nuclear power plant on the Cumbrian coast was renamed Sellafield because the word Windscale was regarded as stark and forbidding.

POLL TAX - COMMUNITY CHARGE

The tax proposed by the Tories in the 1980s was recognisably a poll tax, but Margaret Thatcher's version was renamed to make it more voter-friendly.

ST PETERSBURG - PETROGRAD - LENINGRAD - ST PETERSBURG

The Russian city became Petrograd in 1914, then Leningrad in 1924, reverting to its original name in 1991.

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  • Last Updated: 01 September 2007 10:35 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
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1

Senga Jean,

Scotland 01/09/2007 23:38:48

Thank goodness the SNP are not ashamed of our brilliant country. Govern well; and call it Government. Not some apologetic name like Executive.

2

Boy Wonder,

01/09/2007 23:49:38

To equate the rebranding with the exmples given shows the level of contempt Eddie Barnes and his editor have for the electorate who voted the SNP into power!

3

Hambo,

01/09/2007 23:57:54

Well it IS the Scottish government.

4

GW,

Aberdeenshire 02/09/2007 00:01:54

The real story should be about the future of the Scotland office - there is no need for it to continue to exist, other than to give someone like David Cairns a job as a minister!

5

Scottish Politics,

02/09/2007 00:15:52

Can someone please explain to me the role of the Scotland Office, apart from providing a platform for anti-SNP and anti-Scottish spin? David Cairns has a real cheek criticising the Scottish Government for the "cost"of the re-branding (which is actually met through existing advertising budgets so requires no "extra" money). How much does the Scotland Office cost the taxpayers per year?

6

mesmiths,

fife 02/09/2007 00:20:30

The political coverage in this rag is laughably one sided, it is so brazen as to defeat the purpose it is printed for.
Where, incidently, is the mention of a move to address the problems victims of rape encounter in the court system?

7

Lindsey, Glasgow,

02/09/2007 00:35:41

Some government departments at Westminster have spent more on their wallpaper.

Give us a break !!!!!

8

Lindsey, Glasgow,

02/09/2007 00:49:55

Remember Lord Irvine......when he reportedly spent more than £140,000 on works of art in the £650,000 refurbishment of his Westminster offices - as well as the notorious £300-a-roll Pugin wallpaper which totalled £59,000.

No expense was spared either in the costly refurbishment of Lord Irvine’s 15-room apartment in the House of Lords which included £56,000 for light fittings, £10,000 for picture lighting, £20,000 on silk curtains and another £16,000 on two oak beds.

Lord Irvine was also much criticised for having "looted" art treasures worth a total of £1 million from Scottish galleries to hang around the place at Westminster.

9

Lindsey, Glasgow,

02/09/2007 00:57:12

Over £1 billion pounds to put up a giant balloon (dome)
on the banks of the Thames was, we were told, exceptional value and well justified for London.

Our New Parliament building, costing less than half of what was spent on the Greenwich Balloon, was criticised for costing way too much???

It just never ends, does it?

10

CRAGman,

Capital city Edinburgh 02/09/2007 01:07:49

I'm told the Dome is brilliant now.

11

Scottish Politics,

02/09/2007 01:07:57

Well said Lindsey!

12

Guga II,

Rockall 02/09/2007 01:19:59

If David Cairns at the so-called "Scotland Office" is worried about saving a wee bit of money, then he and the rest of the colonial government at Westminster should just scrap the "Scotland Office". that would save us a fortune.

It is long past time that our government should be known as the Scottish Government. We know the unionists don't like it, but, tough. And if all they are worried about is removing the English coat of arms from the top of documents, then why haven't they suggested replacing it with the Scottish coat of arms? (Yes, we do have one, although like everything else uniquely Scottish, the unionists would rather it didn't exist).

As for the Hootsmon, they, in their typical biased way, try to denigrate both the Scottish Government and the Scottish people by comparing the name change with other, trivial, name changes. All they are actually doing is demonstrating, once again, their total New Labour numpty unionist bias.

13

An Taghan,

An Tir Iosal 02/09/2007 01:25:18

Superb! I can imagine that pompous, drivelling traitor Broon will be beelin'!! Get it richt roon ye - Scotland isnae youts ony mair!

14

Edward,

02/09/2007 01:34:18

'Salmond's move comes seven years after the then Labour-led Scottish Executive first aired the possibility of changing the name, after complaints that the old title was meaningless to most
people. It triggered a backlash from Labour MPs, who argued that the move represented "the break-up of the United Kingdom". '
So not exactly new then, so whats the fuss about?
Just waiting on the usual Labour suspects coming up with objections, despite the fact that they wanted it seven years ago!

15

Suck--McCrunchie.,

http://www.stirlingpark.net for public contracts? 02/09/2007 01:55:53

PICTURE COMMENT

'And lastly - they put up the letter 'P'

16

Guga II,

Rockall 02/09/2007 02:02:03

#17 Now, now, the New Labour numpties are gone, hopefully forever.

17

Name,

02/09/2007 02:19:59

Nice to see all the SNP fanboys creaming their pants.

Waste of money. Same morons running the country regardless if it's Labour/Lib Dems or SNP.

They could've saved that money for the trams as well!!!

18

Name,

02/09/2007 02:21:21

#11 At least the dome doesn't look like a complete s***hole unlike the Scottish Parliament.

19

Pugsley,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 02:40:44

Branding ... re-inventing the golden arches.Build a bridge... GET OVER IT !

20

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News Room 02/09/2007 05:12:16

The change was long overdue - "Scottish Executive", was confusing and did not portray any sense of real importance to those interested in world politics.

21

Continental,

02/09/2007 06:38:25

'SNP officials also say they will consider changing current guidance on the flying of flags from government buildings to ensure that the saltire is flown outside Scottish Government buildings on every day of the year. '

The Saltire has been flying every day at government buildings for the at least the last 2 years...why does the Scotsman keep bringing this up?

22

albanman,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 06:45:10

Let us hope that the workmen can spell better than the person who put the description next to their photograph. "The workmen bigan to erect...". This is the second such spelling error in a week; the last concerned an article on poor literacy, of all things. The Scotsman need to hire a better proof-reader, or preferably someone who can spell.

23

Paul Voltaire,

02/09/2007 06:47:16

Minority government at that !

24

GD,

Stop I want to get off 02/09/2007 06:52:34

£100,000 well spent.

25

Petro,

East Lothian 02/09/2007 06:53:02

What a waste of money - my money and your money by the way.

26

Petro,

East Lothian 02/09/2007 06:54:12

I for one would rather that the £100,000 they claim they can do that for was spent paying the salary and associated costs of three specialist nurses for say cancer care.

27

CJO,

The Maghreb 02/09/2007 07:04:14

What a waste of money, just for some hopeless posturing and cheap (well not that cheap) gimmicks.

28

ddmc,

02/09/2007 07:07:45

Doesnt matter what you call the executive, the polticians may have changed but the self serving & fairly useless civil service which staff it haven't.

29

Boy Wonder,

02/09/2007 07:40:27

#17. Very funny, Suck ... first laugh of the day!

I support all that Alex is doing, but it doesn't mean I can't laugh at a well-spotted bit of humour. It's important that the SNP supporters can stand back and laugh at these things, and not get all humpty when some wit like Suck sees a good one and goes for it! Hope Alex & co can see the funny side too!

"P" - ish Government indeed ... well done, Suck! :)

30

Peasnbarley,

Glasgow 02/09/2007 07:52:44

Typical SNP, all style and no substance. Spend fortunes on name and logo changes, fortunes on big conversations, fortunes flying around the world bumping gums.

Not a penny of this wasted spin will benefit the citizens of Scotland, not one extra nurse, social worker, policeman or fireman will it employ.

The economy will not improve by changing the name of the crowd who run the country!

31

BK,

Cyberspace 02/09/2007 07:58:34

The term Executive has always been confusing - what does it mean? Does it mean Parliament or the Civil Service? The CS headquarters at Leith have a sign saying "Scottish Executive." Bureaucrats are not the government, so it implies that the term applies to them. For instance does the phrase "the executive has decided" mean this decision has been made by an elected parliament in Holyrood or an unelected penpusher in Leith? Alex is right - we have to make functions clear, and calling the government just that, instead of fudging the differences between them and the civil service, is necessary.

32

Alberto.,

02/09/2007 08:08:55

So what's in a name, with a £10million black hole in its finances - so t'is said!
First, the SNP (or maybe just the Leader off his own back, to get himself in the 'popularity stakes' for starters, like the previous New Labour chappie) donates a bundle of our cash to Africa (allegedly cash we haven' got!).
Now, seemingly for no other reason than 'Image', decides to spend another vast amount of cash we haven't got, for 'special’ image purposes, alteration to office headed note paper, flag flying and other such trivial things that cannot really be considered absolutely essential at this time!
This would seem to indicate the attitude, well established in politics, of ‘it’s only taxpayer’s funds - so what the hell!’ - is already surfacing in the SNP.
The SNP should take note they are ‘in charge’ of a cash strapped organization, as we are reminded of ‘almost daily’ - not only by them, but others also, and spending any of it on what appear, at this time, fairly trivial matters, must be bordering on the ridiculous - Don’t do it!
Like any business, which really is what a lot of Politics must / should be about, it’s no good just telling the Public - or anyone for that matter, how good and wonderful your product is, if, eventually it isn’t and if it’s not affordable and / or as ‘good as you say’ - it will almost certainly only achieve failure!
Sounds like we are heading for the same comments about the 'SNP Scottish Operation' as New Labour achieved, both in England and Scotland - 'All show (spin) and no content worth speaking about!'
At this time is this really required?
I don't think so; there are things far more important that need attention, long before 'Image' which, of course, is far more valuable if gained by endeavour and achievement, rather than by self ‘Imagination!’
Showing they, the SNP, can get the job going and cope with matters and benefit the Country and its citizens - that’s what really matters, and should be

33

Justy,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 08:19:30

S.N.P.= Still No Policies.

Justy.

34

Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 08:25:18

No doubt the money could probably have been spent better.
However, after the partition of the island of Ireland, and the introduction of the very FIRST devolved government in the United Kingdom at Stormont, it has always been constitutionally referred to as the Northern Ireland GOVERNMENT! (The reference to the Northern Ireland GOVERNMENT can be found from beginning to end in the Government of Ireland Act.) Lachie Todd

35

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA HAPPY WITH A SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT 02/09/2007 08:31:44

"37. AM2, Glasgow / 9:07am 2 Sep 2007 More nationalist symbolism. Just pathetic."

Thank you to you and your gang for helping to bring about these momentous moments in history. Were it not for supine lick spittles like your self Scotland would be further behind than she is in reclaiming the nationhood that was stolen by these other traitors 300 years ago.
Please do not give up now, you are showing signs of weakness and political bankruptcy, as if you have reached a mental blockage that you are finding it very difficult to overcome. Perhaps some anti bile medicine would help, or leaving the sour grapes alone.

36

Bakula,

Glasgow 02/09/2007 08:36:59

It seems that mainly SNP supporters leave commentrs here! Anything which questions the party is attacked as being 'un-Scottish'. I'm sick to death of their continued attacks at Scotland being part of Britain, the removal of the Royal crest and calling it 'the Government' is yet another example of their arrogance. Of course poor SNP can't be arrogant on the Unionist parties. They are the ones that are evil and keep us in chains, blah, blah, blah.

I just hope this honeymoon period ends quickly and they will just be like any other party and be attacked from all quarters. Except of course those who make comment here. Seems they can do no wrong and if you don't agree then you are the enemy and you'll be bullied!

Many of us are still happy to be Scottish and British.

37

nabodican,

Skye 02/09/2007 08:41:40

Executive / Government !!!!!
Does it really matter?
They are still just a bunch of jumped up numpty cooncillors who totally ignore the wishes of the Scottish People.

"The Scottish Numptorium" would be more appropriate

38

Scudder,

Glsgow 02/09/2007 08:45:45

Not before bloody time ,,,

39

robbie runciman,

Lydd 02/09/2007 08:52:26

Surely the 'Government' (capital G) is what we elect to westminister - the supreme body for decision making in the UK. Whatever is elected in Scotland is only administering part of this area of the UK and only some of the function, essentially, administration of Scotland ie governing and hence should be called the Scottish 'government' (small g).

40

Scotsgait,

Scotland's new internet community 02/09/2007 09:01:41

#39 Still No Policies ?

The Programme for Government is being launched on Wednesday. Included in the 10 bills and other non-legislative initiatives to be formally announced will be:


legislation to scrap the graduate endowment fee

a bill to abolish tolls on the Tay and Forth road bridges.

a culture bill promoting the arts

legislation to support Glasgow's bid for the 2014 Commonwealth Games

support a bill on firearms

a consultation on patient rights

a consultation on climate change legislation.

Still no policies ? Not with that list.

41

SC,

Scotland 02/09/2007 09:03:43

Aye, Labour wanted to changed it alright...they wanted to change it to "Scotland's Small Government".

42

millport curler,

Millport 02/09/2007 09:05:12

snp = small numpty people

43

James,

Dundee 02/09/2007 09:17:15

#31 Like giving Handouts to ex-East Lothian 'man of the People' John Lindsay perhaps?

44

Upbeat,

02/09/2007 09:17:49

So we will call it a 'Government' then...although we all know that it isn't and won't be, it will continue to be very disabled one for the duration.

It should have shown mature thinking to have wiated until there really was an Independent Government. Then Scots everywhere could have celebrated that moment. But now that the SNP leadership realise that this is increasingly unlikely ever to happen....and before the SNP are brought to their knees by a series of no confidence motions later in the year ( perhaps ? ).... they need urgently to grant AS his little dream.

For I have little doubt that AS has always dreamt of being the ' First Leader of the Scottish Government' & " Founding father of Scottish Governance" . etc .

So let the poor lad have his wish. Call this talking shop an Executive or call it a Government ...no matter . Spend hundred of thousands of pounds getting the statioary cabinet filled with new paper. ( recycle the old stuff to boost Holyrood recycling stats. ;-) ???? ! )

In Scotland we are actually still waiting to see this minority 'government ' do anything worthwhile.

Oh yes they have shoved the furniture about their 'government' offices , done some political window dressing, had some 'hols' and of course hurried about 'glad handing' the faithful, wafting reserve account tax revenues in the vague direction of a few, carefully selected - worthy...to the SNP - causes. No fear of the consequences.....

This hjas not yet shown itself to be a real " government "in action ...just a bunch of 'want to be's' enjoying the first fruits of election victory.

45

JLF,

02/09/2007 09:20:31

Yes the Parliament may not look much from outside but inside it's brilliant.

Get over yourself #20!

Never judge a book by it's cover

46

Scotsgait,

Scotland's new internet community 02/09/2007 09:38:57

There's a poll about this rebranding which has just been opened on scotsgait

47

Generalissimo Hernandez,

02/09/2007 09:48:52

I really don't understand why people are getting their knickers in a twist; it's just a word.

We do, after all, have local government.

48

Dennis,

North Isles 02/09/2007 09:49:11

What a waste of money.
SNP should use its own money for party political games - not ours.

49

Keir Hardie,

Inverness 02/09/2007 09:52:49

#41 - Mel Gibson for King!

50

terry osser,

london 02/09/2007 10:08:50

time therefore to remove all scottish constituency MPs from westminster. we also want our own govt england is only part of disunited kingdom not to have its own parliament or assembly. you would also do well to reduce no. of politicians at holyrood

ps the dome is crap

51

Norbert Dentressangle,

02/09/2007 10:17:16

Interesting to note that SoS's own poll on whether the SNP administration 'deserve' to be called the Scottish Government is currently running at 88% in favour and 12% against from 202 polled.

Can there really only be 20 unionists on here?

52

Dr. James Wilkie,

02/09/2007 10:20:46

International diplomatic pressure forced Tony Blair and his team to restore the Scottish Parliament, and would have done the same to John Major's Conservative government if they had still been in office. Blair and the Labour Party had not had the remotest intention of doing anything about devolution - they are and remain unionists, as their website makes clear.

Having been forced into doing what they did not want, Labour tried every means to keep the Scottish Parliament under its own and London control, and to prevent devolution developing any further. Donald Dewar was their hatchet man for this purpose.

The choice of the name Scottish Executive, in order to reduce the status of the Scottish administration, was only one of a number of devices Dewar employed to dampen down the transfer of power (which was under observation by the entire foreign diplomatic corps in the UK after the Council of Europe had forced the issue) and to keep subsequent developments under Labour control.

The Scottish administration is, however, a government by any international standard, and Alex Salmond's move to correct this piece of Labour political chicanery is completely justified.

53

Edward,

02/09/2007 10:50:54

#65 AM2
Your talking absolute rubbish as usual!
Why is it that we dont hear 'The Bavarian Executive' but 'The Bavairian Government'?
Or we dont hear 'The New South Wales Executive' but the 'The New South Wales Government'
Think its about time you had a reality check, or is it that you are happy to keep the Scots down, considering that your Irish!
The whole wording of 'Scottish Executive' and 'First Minister' is to ensure that the Scots dont get above themselves! No other country has a First Minister, they are either Prime Minister, Premier or in the case of Bavaria Minister President

54

New Town Resident,

02/09/2007 10:56:09

Very interested and pleased to hear the spokesman justified the cost by saying the SNP had already made £50M of savings. Seems to me that's the bigger bit of the story.

If true, then that's absolutely teriffic - can anyone tell me what these £50M savings entail, and if there are more to come?

I'm up for "Federation" or whatever that galatic government in Startrek called itself if the SNP can save another £100M!

55

Mikey,

02/09/2007 10:58:26

And what UK wide coat of arms would that be? Would it be like how the post boxes are the same in Scotland and the rest of the UK?

AM2, Brain of (north) Britain!

56

SEUMAS,

tain 02/09/2007 11:04:12

##A.M.2###65###
THE REAL SCOTS PEOPLE

57

John F.,

Brazil 02/09/2007 11:05:12

Good move. Next step - Scottish passports.!

58

Dr. James Wilkie,

02/09/2007 11:08:27

P.S- I look forward to the day when the word "Scottish" can be dropped, because there is no further need to distinguish it from any other government.

59

DaveJ,

02/09/2007 11:21:49

Nice to see the dumpling demagogue is focussed on vital issues like the name over the door and the stationary.

Usually government departments change names after they have failed.

60

Gary McL,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 11:41:06

#52

Ah, but the difference starts with the quality of the people, the ministers, in the new government. I work in a large business sector where Jim Mather has galvanised and inspired, drawing praise from across the board. He replaced nice people but, like Nicoll Stephen, they were less talented and less smartly / appropriately appointed. It is through leadership such as this that Scotland will gain in confidence and 'independence'.

61

Colin John Macrae,

West Lothian 02/09/2007 11:52:43

Scottish Goverment/Scottish Prime Minister nothing else will do,afterall we ARE Scottish and that should be the title of our goverment Scottish

62

SC,

Scotland 02/09/2007 11:57:47

AM2 says,

"More nationalist symbolism. Just pathetic."

Well, calling it the 'Executive' was just pathetic unionist symbolism.

At least ours' makes sense and is normal - unlike yours', you weirdies.

Blame rests with the original decision (Unionist) in my book.

63

Sunsetsong,

Kirkcaldy 02/09/2007 12:25:55

Great news. At last a party who are proud of their Scottish identity. Why have we waited so long?

Of course the Unionists complain, if they are not complaining we will know we are wandering from the path to home rule.

64

wisdom,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 12:51:41

Surely our country does not require a CORPORATE IMAGE !

65

JG,

Fife 02/09/2007 12:53:03

Money wasting, pointless garbage. If you tell me that the people who are running Scotland are called "The Scottish Executive" that's fine. I'm not thick - I'LL UNDERSTAND!!!!

66

Suck--McCrunchie.,

http://www.stirlingpark.net for public contracts? 02/09/2007 12:57:05

What an unusual 'government'.

It cannot set income tax, road tax, national speed limits, retirement ages, what is subject to import duties or VAT, or even what Scottish MPs are paid.

Nor can it set or abolish the TV licence fee, although the majority of SNP MSPs have claimed one through their expenses.

While the administrations in Glasgow and Edinburgh etc. are referred to as 'Local Government' the prefixed adjective delineates the limited extent of powers, so 'Scottish Government' is undoubtedly an overstatement.

Furthermore, 100 000 ukp of public money to rebrand, especially with a misnomer, does not seem pecuniarily prudent.

Digressing, there seems to be no shortage of money spent from party donations on things that really should mean politicians (and hangers on) putting hands in their own pockets.

Cherie Blair managed be subsidised almost eight grand per hairdo/month, while Charles Kennedy and Michael Howard cost two and over three grand respectively on make-up which I am sure most never even noticed. I hate to think Nicola Sturgeon's running costs!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4940182.stm

Given this expenditure appears to be seen as acceptable, the current big fish in our small pond seem somewhat portly compared to most other nations front men (and women).

Could the party fund a little dieting or liposuction on the two in question, as we risk having a Cyril Smith/Ann Widdecombe dream team at the end of term of our current Governmentette.

Returning to the main theme we must disregard 'Scottish Parliament' due to its cost and inaccuracy.

Whilst remaining a misnomer but using fewer letters thereby saving public money, and showing a greater insight into activities within: it should be renamed 'Pie Shop'.

67

Alberto.,

02/09/2007 13:11:55

What's in a name - again!

Lest we forget, the old and well known remark as relevant today as always.

A Rose by any other name etc.,

Well, the same applies to anything that doesn't smell so sweetly!

Certainly it ids foolhardy to judge a book by its cover - no matter how brillint the artwork, but it's the content that's really important!

I trust the SNP will not forget this is their first, and maybe only chance they will get, to prove their worth, and it seems to me that throwing taxpayers money around on a somewhat fairly irrelevant matter as this, cannot be classed as a good starter, especially considering the state of things - not to mention the £10million black hole!

Is this a case of the thrifty Scot image trying to be debunked - naturally using 'other folks cash' or is this the usual politics game starting all over again?

68

T. MacIntosh,

Toronto 02/09/2007 13:19:24

Glad to know it.Scotland is becoming Scotland again.

69

Senga Jean,

02/09/2007 13:28:28

#37 AM2 #83 I'LL UNDERSTAND TOO>>>WELCOME TO MY WORLD Is that the nationalist symbolism that forced the Labour "Executive" to build a new parliament building to avoid the iconic Royal High School building favoured by the SNP. (An Executive is only one arm of Government.!!!! The SNP allow all three to flourish.)

70

westview,

Renfrewshire 02/09/2007 13:32:54

I like the title ' Scottish Government'. We already blame the 'Labour Government' for pinching our pension savings etc, so if it is in common usage to say 'Labour Government', and it is, then why not ' Scottish Government'?. We put up with Queen of 'England ',and the 'English' pound ,so it is right to have something 'Scottish' for a change.

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JG,

Fife 02/09/2007 13:42:09

#87 Senga Jean
I vehemently disagreed with the building of the monstrosity in the first place - a monumental waste of my money, just to massage the ego of a Weegie politician (the operative word there being "politician" and actually not the "Weegie" part of it!!) - now for the ego of someone else we'll throw more money down the lavvie (OK, it's nowhere near as much, but a waste nevertheless)

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NorT,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 13:42:12

How come we have not had a quote from that balloon Foulkes? Is he is holiday?

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Edward,

02/09/2007 13:44:41

#90 NorT, Edinburgh
In the Caribbean apparently on fact finding mission on the Rum trade

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I'm no really here,

02/09/2007 13:50:30

#84 You're quite right "What an unusual 'government'." That's why we want to change it to give it more power.

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morris,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 13:55:48

This is a government as far as devolved issues are concerned.The term Scottish Executive was a watering down of recognition which insults Scotland and Holyrood and the Scottish people.Mind you while Joke McDonnell was in charge it was a watered down Tory government,so maybe it did have a reason after all!
Anybody who objects to this change would presumably spend the same money to transfer it back again so they are guilty themselves of what they accuse the SNP of,in exactly the same way!


Government is what we expect so why not call it that ?

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Ffion,

Alexandria 02/09/2007 13:56:12

Of course it's the Scottish Government but why the need to write it on a building? The parliament is the parliament, the Executive building is just that-a place where the executive of the government sits. Does Westminister have any sort of description written on the outside or are the people involved in "the Government" here so dumb they have to see it spelt out in big letters?

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JG,

Fife 02/09/2007 13:58:33

#94 Methalions
What £50m savings would that be? Don't believe everything (or should that be "anything") a politician says!!!

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I'm no really here,

02/09/2007 14:09:28

I wonder how long it will take before The Scotsman Publications start to call them "Government".

Like the change or not, I'd like to see anyone try and change it back.

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Ffion,

Alexandria 02/09/2007 14:20:37

Well, cash is wasted one way or another by whatever they call themselves. Spose my point is "government" is a concept, not an object, a building or a person and although it's right to refer to the Holyrood crew as the Govt-using it as the official title achieves the opposite of what they are trying to achieve with this

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JG,

Fife 02/09/2007 14:31:04

So it's all just for effect, then? More appearance over substance!

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Norbert Dentressangle,

02/09/2007 14:57:15

Jings that poll isn't going very well for the 33* unionist posters on the board.

* Subject to multiple identities amongst the more vociferous.


'Does the SNP administration at Holyrood deserve to be called a Scottish government?

Yes - 89%

No - 11%

306 votes'

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JG,

Fife 02/09/2007 15:00:24

#105 Norbert
"Do we want to waste even more money by changing the signs, logos, letter headings, blah, blah, blah?"

NO!!!!!!

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Norbert Dentressangle,

02/09/2007 15:18:04

# 106 JG, given that cost of changing the above is less than Derry Irvine's wallpaper, I'd say it were good value. Particularly as term executive has become totally redundant. We have a new government, embrace it old bean...and kindly stop shouting.

Now, why aren't more of you unionist supporting types voting in that poll, surely you can't be in such a tiny minority?

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Senga Jean,

Scotland 02/09/2007 15:28:07

HMMMMMM could be the letter "F" since our Government has a Salmond and a Sturgeon. They will never be out of their depth. They are swimming with the tide of hisory. BTW where did Blair's hand of history on his shoulder go. Did he really forget an exit strategy for Iraq?

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Hamish MacBeth,

Brent Bravo 02/09/2007 16:27:03

'when our schools and hospitals are facing difficulties, to spend this money for the sake of Alex Salmond's vanity is just a waste of money."
And the Inner London regenaration project, better know as the (Olympics) is not a waste of Scotlands money ???
I think it is quite right to change the signs, and logos. Slowly we seem to be growing as a nation again, much to the disgust of the unionsts.

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JG,

Fife 02/09/2007 16:49:12

#107 Norbert........
Now there you go making assumptions! I'm not an "ist" of any kind - I just detest seeing people wasting MY money. And it doesn't matter whether the waster is a Tory, or any other colour on the political spectrum. Spending £100,000 in Scotland is fine by me - as long as it's for something worthwhile. This dross doesn't qualify.

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Lindsey, Glasgow,

02/09/2007 16:59:11

The writing is on the wall.

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JG,

Fife 02/09/2007 17:31:35

#113 Methalions
It would pay for around 50 electric wheel chairs or 14 hip replacements or approximately 60 cataract operations.

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Edward,

02/09/2007 17:35:09

Example of Governments representing provinces in Canada :
Government of Ontario http://www.gov.on.ca/
Government of Quebec http://www.gouv.qc.ca/portail/quebec/?lang=en
(Quebec even has a Government office in London UK and a Foreign policy)
Government of Alberta http://www.gov.ab.ca/home/
Government of Yukon http://www.gov.yk.ca/
Government of Nova Scotia http://www.gov.ns.ca/
Government of Newfoundland and Labrador http://www.gov.nf.ca/
Government of Manitoba http://www.gov.mb.ca/index.html
Government of Saskatchewan http://www.gov.sk.ca/
Government of Prince Edward Island http://www.gov.pe.ca/index.php3?number=81112
Government of Nunavut http://www.gov.nu.ca/Nunavut/
Government of the Northwest Territories http://www.gov.nt.ca/
Government of New Brunswick http://www.gnb.ca/index-e.asp
Government of British Columbia http://www.gov.bc.ca/

Not an Executive in sight!

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Edward,

02/09/2007 17:40:09

Government of Catalonia http://www.gencat.cat/

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 17:48:15

“I say Tubby, what do you think of this wheeze, after croquet on Sunday, why don’t we form a political party, and stop these Salmondista wallahs dead in their tracks?

“Oh, what sport!”, exclaimed Tubby, “It will be just like our old days in the jungle in Malaya, when we showed those natives the true steel of the British Empire”.

“Heah, heah!”, intoned Farquhar, who hitherto had appeared half asleep with his glass of port almost empty beside his Chesterfield armchair..
Rising to the occasion, and seeing that he had a receptive audience, he continued, “It’s about time we mobilised all the old division, “let’s enlist Hannay, Buchan and good old Bulldog, we will soon show these commies where to get off!”

“Excellent”, replies Archie, “Load your revolvers gentlemen, the game’s a foot!”.

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Norbert Dentressangle,

Deepest Dumfropolis 02/09/2007 17:53:01

Hahahahahaha

Does the SNP administration at Holyrood deserve to be called a Scottish government?

Yes - 90%
No - 10%

352 votes

Does this mean there are only 35.2 pro-unionist supporters on the site?

Hahahahahahahahaha

#107 JG whilst I share your concerns over saving public money, I do feel that asserting that the administration is a proper grown up 'government' opposed to one which may share its appellation with the senior echelons of a plumping supply company is a worthwhile effort.

I look forward to the Scotsman group using the term post Wednesday.

PS Apols for labelling you an 'ist'.

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AyrshireScot,

02/09/2007 17:54:21

#115 -JG- how many wheelchairs and operations would the costs of the new Trident and the Iraq war have paid for?

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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 02/09/2007 17:55:46

Cheeky Question: Does the SNP administration at Holyrood DESERVE to be called a Scottish government?

Yes, because it is the Scottish Government.

Does the Scotland on Sunday deserve to call itself a NEWSPAPER?

Not after the lies on your front page today which are contradicted by the actual story. Hang your heads in shame.

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AyrshireScot,

02/09/2007 18:40:15

Any yet SOS's sensitivity to nomenclature does not extend to its descriiption of the "Scottish Labour Party" - an organisation which does not exist beyond the presence in Scotland of the UK Labour party and its governing UK executive, or to Wendy Alexander as the Leader of Scottish Labour?

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t.c.e.k.,

south lanarkshire 02/09/2007 19:34:43

#88
"We put up with the queen of England and the English pound"
here is something else along these lines according to most English world war 1 & 2 historians England declared war on Germany. England and her allies beat back the Germans in the Normandy landings. Nothing can be further from the truth as in reality England was only one of the four nations called Britain who declared war. In the landings Scottish and American regiments were the pathfinders clearing beachheads then when territory was secured, the English Colonels and Generals stood in front of the newsreels chest sticking out and saying "what a great job we've done" SURE!!!!! If they can say the England won the war without a mention of the other countries, then we shouldn't worry one iota, about changing Executive to Government. pernamently.

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Jock MacSprog,

02/09/2007 19:34:51

this is perfectly symbolic of the SNP's modus operandi, ie, "lets pretend our way to independence". They can spend our tax monies changing signs on building and stationary all they want, officially, in the eyes of the law and on legal documents on both sides of the "border" its still the Scottish Executive. I guess if the people of Scotland havent voted for Independence and still are consistently polling against it, you can pretend by engaging in empty gestures like this. The SNP and Salmond are masters of empty gestures and populist politics. What of substance have they done since being elected that does not involve giving things away for free (our own money, thanks) ? What have they done to improve the economy, health care, transport, education ???? All they do is wind up the sad nats who get a huge thrill over things like changing signs on buildings. Probably the same people scrawling sad Nat slogans on buildings around Edinburgh in chalk.

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morris,

Edinburgh. 02/09/2007 20:41:47

39
What an infantile contribution!

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morris,

Edinburgh. 02/09/2007 20:48:05

101

Should be around 10 years after we declare independence ,and God only knows when the BBC will take it on board. Perhaps if they hear it on STV they might decide better go with the flow .

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morris,

Edinburgh. 02/09/2007 20:51:11

124

Its even in the music for DADS ARMY ! .


Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler ,if you think old Englands done, says far more about LOndon's attitude than anything the SNP could accuse them of.

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The Fly Fifer,

fife 02/09/2007 21:06:14

Sad to loose the Royal Coat of Arms from the papers etc but a it is being replaced with a Christian symbol showing that Scotland is a Christian country then I can live with that.

but wait I heard a rumour that there was to be a wee partial moon to be added in two years ........... now that would be so sad if true

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Broddr,

Fife 02/09/2007 21:26:47

All politicians - whether they be Scottish, English or Outer Mongolian do not give a sausage about the people they govern.

The smeggers are only in it for the money, they get what they can and retire with a cushty wee pension.

£100,000 is not a lot of money?

See if you think that when they say you cannae have that anti cancer drug 'cos it's too expensive.

In any case, this re-branding will cost a whole lot more in the end.

Bottom line is - there are better things to be spending money on - even if it is just a fiver!

I am not being pro or anti union here, I don't really care, either way the people of the combined British Isles get stuffed by the politicians.

Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things what a bunch of idiots in suits call themselves?

It is a waste of time and money.

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kenny mac dk,

denmark 02/09/2007 22:25:53

I'm not against the arms of the UK being displayed - in terms of the union pre-1707. Maybe Alex would be better employed try to get the Saltire flown throughout Europe and indeed the rest of the world.
But of more significance is the fact that Cairns keeps criticising him. One of them was elected, the other was appointed. I suggest one of them should go NOW - Scotland has a big problematical political future without this sort of Labour idiocy.

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Miss Jean Brodie,

02/09/2007 22:48:48

Scottish Passports next please - having a UK passport is a liability - sheesh! - Eurovision is proof of the pudding - nobody votes UK - but everyone loves Ireland - and it would be the same for Scotland - WELL DONE SCOTLANDS GOVERNMENT!

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MichScot,

USA 02/09/2007 23:11:09

Yes to Scottish government!

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Jock MacSprog,

03/09/2007 00:04:07

133 Explain how you can have a passport without being an indepdent Nation. Havent seen any New York or California passports out there have you ?Hopefully your intelligence level is not indicative of the average SNP supporter or they are in big trouble. Perhaps someone should also inform you the The Republic of Ireland has not been part of the UK for several years now.

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Angus in Perth,

Perth. 03/09/2007 00:42:27

Who wants to be part of the UK anyway? Ok, Scottish politics is a bit immature, but I favour independence within the EU. Yes to a Scottish passport.

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TerryH,

England 03/09/2007 07:46:37

Oh, wonderful!!

It doesn’t mean anything, of course, because Scotland is (for the moment) just a region of the UK and the “Executive” is still its name in legality. However, it really is another one in the eye for Brown’s “let’s all be British” flag waving twaddle.

Brilliant! Labour pushed for devolution because they wanted Scotland and Wales to be forever Labour, no matter what happened at Westminster. Now, they’ve lost both of them and Scotland is forever reminding the English that if Brown is British, he’s in a minority.

…and as for Blair’s “devolution has made the Union stronger”. Oh please! Stop! I’m RATFLMFAO

Fantastic, well done Salmond! Keep it up mate!

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JG,

Fife 03/09/2007 07:49:21

#121 Ayrshirescot
It's not really a good argument to say that it's OK for someone to waste public money because the last lot wasted even more!!!

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Dee,

Bournemouth 03/09/2007 08:50:27

The Scottish Government is the same as it has been for the last 300 years, the government of the United Kingdom.
That Government has devolved powers to the Scottish Executive and could if it wishes take them back.
The Scottish executive needs to think very carefully before it wastes a substantial amount of taxpayers money, or is this another tweak of Gordon Brown's tail?

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louisescot,

inverclyde 03/09/2007 11:04:40

141. Mona

Did your mammy not teach you that if you are not goin to say something intelligent then dont say anything at all. Its better to stay quiet and be thought stupid rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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mona,

03/09/2007 11:19:02

142. Mmm, the only stupid one is "wee eck" westminster gave scotland devolution,and westminster can take it away,so all that money he's wasteing on changeing signs,could all be for nothing. oh well,easy come easy go!!!

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03/09/2007 11:41:51
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mona,

03/09/2007 11:58:19

116. your not in canada, there is only one government here the British Government, so just suck it up!!

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open,

west coast 03/09/2007 14:51:32

Now we have a SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT we hope Salmond will now recover the land ,business and properties stolen from many decent Scots under the English CROWN .

The restoration OF the many victims ASSETS from the legal parasites,including our own group members ,who faced a ruthless civil court system that has swollen the previous Scottish Executive coffers with billions of pounds of assets gained from unlawful repossessions of all of the above.

There is plenty of evidence to support the claims that we DEMAND restoration of our assets that got into the CROWN's hands through the stealthy distorting of laws that HAVE NOT been protecting SCOTTISH citizens but only protecting the financial interests of those controlling our courts and that the previous Executive allowed them to run riot .Ask the LEGAL AID BOARD their partners in crime with the previous Executive how much public money was used to bully and abuse victims in long term litigation until finally stealing ALL their assets?

Our group have lost millions in the biggest financial scam ever to have been used against good Scottish citizens.

WE DEMAND THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT RECOVER OUR ASSETS STOLEN THROUGH CRIMINAL COLLUSION BY THE ENGLISH CROWN ,COURTS ,SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE,SCOTTISH LEGAL AID BOARD,SCOTTISH POLICE ,SHERIFF OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND THE LAW SOCIETY OF SCOTLAND AND ITS MEMBERSHIP.

LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS

CIVIL TRIAL BY JURY ANYTHING ELSE IS TYRANNY

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The laird.,

leadhills. 03/09/2007 14:54:21

scottish government,
yes rightly so and it will probably cost our prime minister the right honourable ALEX SALMOND and our new government a lot more money correcting the wrong doings of the previous administration. It should never been called the execuative in the first place, more unneccessary waste of money caused by unionist dogma

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mona,

03/09/2007 16:09:03

carry on. the truth hurts, there is only ONE government, THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT salmond is a "want to be" and soon he will brought down to earth by the British prime minister.

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mona,

03/09/2007 16:22:24

146. LOL, best laugh I've had all year!


 

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