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Published Date: 14 May 2009
SCOTTISH Tory leader Annabel Goldie is due to raise the stakes in the debate on tackling knife crime when she addresses her party conference in Perth today.
Ms Goldie was expected to call for a mandatory minimum sentence of two years for people caught carrying knives on Scotland's streets in a bid to reduce the spiralling numbers of incidents involving the weapons.

She appears to have trumped a Labou
r proposal which was issued yesterday just hours after her speech was trailed to members of the press.

Labour's proposals would give the courts the ability to give jail terms of up to a year in the Summary Courts and up to five years in the Sheriff Court.

Both would have exemptions for special circumstances.

The proposals come in response to a campaign by John Muir of Inverclyde whose son Damian was murdered in Greenock in July 2007 by Barry Gavin, who was out on remand for other knife crimes.

Mr Muir had wanted mandatory prison sentences to help start to tackle the problem.

Today there appeared to be some political consensus on the issue. Labour's justice spokesman, Richard Baker, said: "In the last set of statistics, 54 people were murdered with knives and 1170 people were admitted to hospital with knife wounds.

"These are not just statistics but real people and that's why Labour is pushing forward proposals to make it clear that carrying a knife is not acceptable.

"The message is simple. Carry a knife and go to jail."

In her speech Ms Goldie will say: "Too many criminals carry and use knives completely undeterred by the law, safe in the knowledge that the consequences for doing so are not what they should be.

"It is time to send a clear message that just carrying a knife means prison. Go out with a blade and you'll be going inside."

However, it is still unclear whether the Scottish Government will back mandatory sentences.

SNP justice secretary Kenny MacAskill is still looking at the issue.

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "We need to convince people that knives are lethal weapons. That means pursuing a twin approach of education and enforcement.

"Those who think that carrying a knife brings with it protection should realise that instead it is likely to bring a prison sentence – and a lengthy one at that."

Ms Goldie will also use her conference speech today to call upon voters to judge the Conservative Party on the achievements of today rather than "perception of the echoes of the past".

Privately she and her advisors are worried that the recent furore over expenses, with Westminster Tory MPs claiming for moats and horse manure, has brought back memories of the Conservatives of the past.

She also wants to take advantage of strong Conservative showings in recent polls, which have put them in the low 20s in Scotland.

While still a distant third to Labour and the SNP it shows a marked recovery from the lows of the late 1990s. She hopes that Tory changes to the Scottish budgets such as extra police officers and reduced business rates will show the party's policies are having a positive effect in Scotland.

She will say: "I know for many people voting Conservative in Scotland is a big ask. Some have never done it, some last did it a long time ago.

"So I say to you judge us not on your perception of the echoes of the past but rather on what we are now and what in the Scottish Parliament we are achieving."

Fight for Euro seats gets serious as SNP launches campaign

THE fight for the six Scottish seats in the European Parliament got serious yesterday when the SNP launched its campaign.

First Minister Alex Salmond claimed his party was the only one that could provide a strong voice in Europe for new energy and fishery policies.

But with Labour's Scottish campaign to be launched on Monday, there were claims made by the party's Scottish leader Iain Gray that the SNP and the Tories were, in effect, forming an alliance that would be "bad for Scotland".

Quoting from the Conservatives' conference agenda, he said: "It is clear the Tories and SNP are eager to get into bed with each other. The Tories are already boasting in their conference agenda 'For the first time in more than a decade Conservative policies are being enacted – and it is here in Scotland'.

"The Tories have been desperate to get a foothold in Scotland and Alex Salmond and the SNP are all too happy to play along with them."

Mr Salmond launched the SNP campaign at Pelamis Wave Power, the Scottish company behind the world's first commercial wave farm, currently constructing generators to be used off Orkney.

He said: "The SNP is the only party offering a strong voice for Scotland in Europe."

He said that as the government in Holyrood the party is accelerating European funding, with £70 million of regional development funding just announced, supporting 8,000 Scottish jobs.

"And we will use a further £190 million of European funding to do even more to protect jobs and help communities," he added.

However, he has come under fire from the Liberal Democrats. Their finance spokesman Jeremy Purvis has claimed that Scotland has lost out on tens of millions of pounds available for businesses which the SNP has ignored.

Voting for the European election will take place on 4 June.

The number of Scottish seats has been reduced from seven to six.

QUESTIONS REMAIN OVER DEFECTOR

THE political history of a recent Tory convert has been questioned ahead of the Scottish Conservative Party conference.

Leading QC Paul McBride is due make one of the keynote speeches at the conference's justice debate tomorrow after recently declaring

his support for the Conservatives, claiming he had abandoned Labour, the party he had supported for most of his life. Labour officials have questioned whether Mr McBride was a member and it has been revealed that he never declared his alleged party allegiance as a member of the Legal Aid Board. If he had been a supporter, he should have put it down as an interest.

Mr McBride has insisted he was a member until the late 1990s.





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1

Brianwci,

14/05/2009 00:59:07
2 years....oh yes, that should do it.

And if that fails we can always double it and keep doubling it till our vote rises....I mean the problem subsides.

Then again we could do studies as to the underlying causes in this country and even study European countries (crazy I know but it could work) as to why they don't have these problems.
2

Curley Bill,

14/05/2009 01:10:36
This newspaper is always printong conflicting advice -

"Tories call for 2-year minimum sentence to tackle knife crime"
and
"Don't stab Speaker in the back, do it to his face."

What to do, what to do...
3

Curley Bill,

14/05/2009 01:11:15
Printong? Isn't that in Laos?
4

Finlang,

Hebei 14/05/2009 01:30:25
#4 Curley Bill

Could be (or even Cambodia), but maybe you were thinking of Pronting, in deepest central China (lol!). And yes, this newspaper is always printong wirds of wosdom. On the topic: Martin, as a backstabbing, self-serving "representative of the people", is a knife crime writ large.
5

W Smith,

Middle East 14/05/2009 03:24:26
"..Kenny MacAskill is still looking at the issue."

Yep, that's our Kenny.

Salmond is too busy yelping like a wee spoilt terrier about Trident and the Act of Settlement.

You know.. like, important stuff.
6

smokey joe 1,

14/05/2009 05:58:16
6
W Smith,Middle East.
Another stupid comment.
Sad really.
7

blackops,

14/05/2009 06:10:19
why is Kenny still looking at the issue - knife crime, 2 yrs is NOT enough.
8

an interested party,

14/05/2009 07:33:52
hmm i wonder if the 54 murders would have been prevented had this proposed law been in place.

most likely not,

but they wouldn't have been killed a knife, so thats all right then.

doesnt go anywhere near the issue of dealing with those that think resorting to violence is a way of solving differences.

but it does at least sound tough and meaningful, if a little pointless and empty

screwdriver anyone?
9

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 14/05/2009 08:24:17
Unfortunately, for the Scots Tories, those who lived through 17 years of the Thatcher/Major governments are highly unlikely to forget them. It will always be an albatross around the neck of the Scots Tory Party.

In 1997, Michael Forsyth led the Scots Tories lemming like to the edge of political extinction, and from which they have never recovered.

On close examination, the policy cupboard of the Scots Tories is threadbare but they keep coming up with this or that 'law and order' initiative in an effort to comfort the dwindling faithful.

In the forthcoming elections, he ageing Scots Tories will be closely examined about what they really stand for? The Scottish Electorate are still waiting for an answer to this connundrum because nobody, least of all the Scots Tories themselves, seem to know, especially their commitment to Scottish devolved government which they so implacably opposed.
10

AM in ,

Edinburgh 14/05/2009 10:30:49
Are these the same opposition parties that criticised the government for asking judges to consider community payback orders in place of short prison terms? They obviously have no problem in telling judges and sherrifs what to do - double standards here.

This is a serious subject and requires cross-party consensus rather than the petty political points scoring.
11

Alan B,

14/05/2009 11:01:38
#9

I think you are overlooking the idea by jailing those who carry knifes and use them and keeping them off the streets then you would have less repeat crime.

It is said that much crime is by the same people over and over again, with the criminal justice system a revolving door.

12

One-man-bucket's older twin,

14/05/2009 11:02:21
Wonder how many people who carry penknives/Swiss Army knives in their briefcase or fishing tackle etc. will be prosecuted to meet targets?
13

It's Leith for me!,

14/05/2009 11:21:43
blanket 2 year prison sentance for anybody with a knife is just political propaganda - it would/will never work - automatic tagging and curfews would be simple and cheap to implement, stop the neds carrying knives, or even being out at night - problem solved at once for litle costs and it'll get all the wee sods of the streets too
14

Tartan Viking,

14/05/2009 12:26:06
#14 It should be a blanket 2 year prison sentence for any MP found with his or her fingers in the public purse, and an automatic ban from ever being an MP again.

15

Walter Ego,

Durness 14/05/2009 19:56:39
15

Tartan, I agree.

What about 2 years for a cabinet secretary who absents himself from knife summit for a jaunt in Canada?
16

Tartan Viking,

14/05/2009 20:33:12
#16. Despite my political leanings, I also agree.
17

Tartan Viking,

14/05/2009 20:33:40
Cant stand the b@stard.
18

Brianwci,

15/05/2009 01:03:05
Goldie was taken apart by Bernard Ponsonby on the Politics Show tonight (Thursday). She was rabbiting on about her new flagship 2 year knife prison sentence policy when Ponsonby produced figures which showed that last year over 8000 people were found carrying knives.

That's the current prison population. Where are you going to put these people and how much will it cost asked Ponsonby.

Madam looked as if she had swallied a bag o' soor plumes.

Now if our Bernard gave the London Labour guys as hard a time as he gave Goldie that show would be worth watching.

One excellent piece of news though which many of us had probably forgotten. Our erstwhile Scottish Secretary, Whispering 'Bob' Murphy was a surprise victor of TORY Eastwood back in 1997 when London Labour was on the up.

If the Tories win any seats in Scotland Eastwood (in its new incarnation) will be one of them. That should be an interesting result to look out for.

I'm no politician but I don't think London Labour is as popular now as it was in 1997.

Aye, there's no' much gets past me.

 

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