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Published Date: 14 May 2009
SCOTTISH Tory leader Annabel Goldie was today attempting to lay the ghost of Thatcherism to rest by urging voters: "Judge us on today, not perceived echoes of the past."
Less than two weeks after senior Conservatives in Scotland held a special dinner to celebrate the 30th anniversary of Lady Thatcher's first election victory, Ms Goldie was due to use her party conference speech to appeal for the public to take a fresh look at the Tories.

She was expected to say: "I know for many people voting Conservative in Scotland is a big ask. Some have never done it, some last did it a long time ago.

"So I say to you judge us not on your perception of the echoes of the past but rather judge us on what we are now and what in the Scottish Parliament we are achieving."

Lady Thatcher's 11 years in Downing Street saw the introduction of the poll tax in Scotland a year ahead of the rest of the UK as well as the decline of most of the country's traditional industries.

The Tories lost all their Scottish MPs in the 1997 Labour landslide that brought Tony Blair to power and they still have only one Scots MP at Westminster.

But the party regained a foothold with the advent of the Scottish Parliament, which it opposed. And since the election of an SNP minority government, the Tories have won concessions from the Scottish Government on issues such as police numbers, business rates and drugs policy.

Ms Goldie is also expected to use her speech to warn a Conservative general election victory would not solve the country's problems overnight.

She is due to tell the conference in Perth: "Let's not pretend that everything will be sorted the minute Labour is deservedly kicked out of government. Labour's legacy of debt will be with us for years, perhaps decades to come. I'm still stunned that every baby born will be saddled with a debt of £22,500 because of this failing Labour government."

Meanwhile, Scottish Tories want mandatory minimum two-year jail terms for knife crime. Announcing the new policy, Ms Goldie was due to tell the conference: "Too many criminals carry and use knives, completely undeterred by the law, safe in the knowledge that the consequences for doing so are not what they should be. I fully respect the need to protect the ability of judges to sentence criminals as they see fit – but the time has come to send a tougher message.

"It is time to send a clear message that just carrying a knife means prison.

"Go out with a blade and you'll be going inside. Only in the most exceptional circumstances will the court have any discretion."


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1

Alan B,

14/05/2009 11:14:38
If the tories really want people to support them then they need to give people a reason. A vision.

Being more intelligent and better managers with a better leader with goldie than labour is not enough, given its history. Particularly when scotland do have a vibrant and imaginative party in the snp.

What is goldies vision for scotland economically? Have not heard anything.

What is there vision for sorting out labour mess with devolution both from a scottish and uk perspective?

The lib dems even seem more visionary but are too wishy washy and generally poorly lead in scotland.

The tories need to advocate fiscal autonomy, and then back the snp corporation tax proposals to try to address our poor economic record under both labour and tories governments at westminster. It will also move the tories away from it anti sp stance by positively proposing significant powers for the scottish parliament.

The tories also need to deal with their move to being anti eu away from the 70 tory pro ec stance. Being strong supporters of a highly centralised uk union while rejecting the eu does not make sense unless you see britain as your country rather than scotland.
2

The west awake,

Argyll 14/05/2009 11:36:08
I agree Alan, talk is cheap.

Lets see what the new UK Tory Government actually DOES, rather than what is says.

I can foresee a raft of potential areas of conflict between Holyrood and the new Tory Westminster after the GE.
What will be interesting will be watching the Labour bunch in Scotland (whats left of them) face the prospect of standing with the SNP to fight for Scotland, or do what the "Fighting 502 did, and lie down to the Tories.

Fascinating times.
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Alan B,

14/05/2009 11:48:43
#2

I agree. I think the most interesting thing will be to see how labour repositions itself if as expected they lose the next general election.

Brown will be gone. We will no longer have the senior scottish labour contingent of smith, cook, reid and brown. Even darling will probably be gone.

As such uk labour will probably be Johnston, Harman or maybe Milliband lead. I cannot see them having the same personal vindictiveness to the scottish government as brown. They will also be much more focussed on england.

As such were will the power lie to device scottish policy for labour and its approach. Alexander and Murphy in westminster or Gray/Kerr in scotland. I could see a swing back to power residing within the msp within labour.

The next scottish election could see labour go into meltdown as they struggle to overcome the hammering at the general election. Would anyone seriously want Gray as first minister. I could see labour replacing him after the general election defeat as the polls point at big labour losses.

Ideolgically labour will be in a mess. The will be saying effectively that the tories with little representation in scotland are better to manage certain things in scotland than the scottish parliament.

Trains could be an example. Labour will be effectively saying that the scottish government should fund and run trains but the structure should be run by the tories. As such if the tories decide to reprivatise railtrack/national rail then labour will be supporting that over a scottish solution to a scottish rail service.

Creating such a weak parliament will come back and bite them.

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Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 12:03:28
So Annabelle says "Judge us on today, not perceived echoes of the past".

She should be on at The Stand at York Place.



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alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 14/05/2009 12:04:34
She is not doing her party and favours asking that.
6

It's Leith for me!,

14/05/2009 12:17:47
I'm sure a lot of us would like to bury Thatcher, ghost or otherwise - no need to wait until she's dead :-)
7

Monstro,

14/05/2009 12:22:33
I'm sorry but this shows how out of touch people like Goldie are, unless you lived through the Thatcher years in Scotland, you cannot fully appreciate the way she treated the people of Scotland with disdain and utter contempt. Mainly because we had the temerity to be predominantly socialists!

The fact that she was allowed to do this by successive 'Scottish Ministers' only makes matters worse. I would not rule out ever voting Tory, but many like me would have concerns at the potential for the party to again turn against the people of Scotland if they were not supported here in the polls.
8

Foo,

14/05/2009 12:23:29
I'm 30, married, self employed and earn a comfortable living. I have my fist child on the way. What will the Tories do to help me?
9

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 12:24:47
The people of Scotland will never vote Conservative.

Annabelle should get a proper job. Maybe open a newsagents in the picturesque town of Dunkeld, or get a job making vats of carbonara sauce for hungry shoppers at Ikea restaurant.
10

Reality Cheque,

14/05/2009 12:34:06
"Judge us on today, "

What, claiming on 2nd home expenses for tennis courts, moats & chandeliers, do you mean Annabel?

Because today's Tawdries are marginally less corrupt than New Lie-bour is not a good enough reason to vote for them, even if I ignored Thatcher's period of misrule.
11

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 12:35:09
Too many Scots are too chippy. Thatcher tried to haul Scotland out of its dependency culture but got no thanks for all her efforts.

If these Scots had it in them, why didn't they stand up to Thatcher? Remember that it took the English Poll Tax riots to demolish the Poll Tax.
12

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 12:42:08
#11

Thatcher also hauled publicly owned housing stock out of existence, and hauled the UK out of manufacturing.

Your 'chippy Scots' talk is the kind of racist banter I'd expect to read in the comments section of The Daily Mail, not EEN.

You're also uninformed re: the Community Charge. It was a fairer (much fairer) system than Council Tax, but nobody riots about the CT. Riots aren't much of a way of solving things, as the anti- Poll Tax riots showed. The UK ended up in a worse, not better, position.
13

Red Ken,

South Eas Asia 14/05/2009 12:46:44
I left Scotland and the UK back in 1991 because I was sick to death of the Tory policies that were all about ME ME ME!!! and I have not regreted it. Apologising for the Thatcher years will not make me return and who is going apologise for the Major Years?

Next you will have the 'Cameron Years' because we have David 'I am one of you' Cameron waiting in the wings with a right wing agenda that will make Thatcher look like cuddley toy.

I will never return to Scotland or to any part of the UK because I have a good safe life that I could never get in Scotland or the UK. Saying sorry will never make up for the losses that Scotland suffered under Thatcher and Major.
14

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 12:51:08
#13

You are forgetting that the cuts made by Thatcher were because Labour under Callaghan/Heath almost bankrupted the country.

History is repeating itself - we are almost bankrupt again after 12 years Labour rule.
15

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 12:52:53
#12

I was referring to some, not all, Scots as being chippy. I'd hope you would have the intellect to see that that is not being racist.
16

Monstro,

14/05/2009 12:55:31
#11 Buffoon!

The Scots have been some of the greatest thinkers, leaders and entrepreneurs of this world, but why have they never supported the Tories, because our calvanist background makes us care about our social responsibility as well and nobody with this trait can support right wing policies.

The Scots in the 80s/90s had no dependancy culture, we may have been reliant on age old industry and structures, but people had jobs, worked hard and were socialy conscious. Thatcher is the one who has created a benefits generation because the working classes no longer have structured outlet for employment through industry. While right-to-buy has turned council estates into ghetto's filled with those on the lowest incomes, rahter than a mix of all classes.

I guarantee you that without Thatcher, Scotland would now be a better place as we have lost our way in the UK.
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Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 12:58:00
#15

The "Chippy Scots" stereotype is offensive. I'd hope you've got the 'intellect' to see that, regardless of whether it applies to all Scots, or just 'too many' of them.

Sorry Brian, but if you want a cosy Tory chat, you'd be better off on the Henley-On-Thames evening news comments.
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I love to eat Sellotape,

14/05/2009 12:59:40
The problem with most Tories is that they continue to pleasure themselves over images of Mrs T. They really ought to stop it now, what with all the complaints from the neighbours.
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Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 13:03:22
#16

"The Scots have been some of the greatest thinkers, leaders and entrepreneurs of this world"

That was in days gone by, incicentally when the Tories had far greater representation in Scotland - we are no longer such a nation.

#17

I'd agree "Chippy Scots" is offensive to Chippy Scots and to their apologists. I am pleased to tell you I am not looking for a cosy Tory chat.
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Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 14/05/2009 13:03:38
I'm right chippy, me.
21

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:05:41
#19

Judging by the narrow scope of your argument, probably just as well.
22

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 13:08:14
#21 It's the EEN comment page, for franks sake - do you want a thesis?
23

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:11:46
#22

You are no more capable of producing a cogent argument than you are singing the greatest hits of Lionel Richie upside down while drinking a glass of water.
24

Monstro,

14/05/2009 13:12:21
Mr Ferrari, you are a scarily deluded individual and a great advert for Tory supporters in Scotland..not!
25

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 13:12:52
Go for the ball Daudi man, the ball.
26

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:13:54
"I know it sounds funny but I just can't stand the pain"

*splutter*

"Girl I'm leeeevin you tomorrow"

*water runs out of nose*
27

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:14:50
Brian's got water all down his Tory Boy shirt.
28

I love to eat Sellotape,

14/05/2009 13:17:51
"Greatest hits of Lionel Richie"? Who he?
29

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

14/05/2009 13:18:46
"It is time to send a clear message that just carrying a knife means prison."

That's just retarded. I've carried a Swiss Army Knife my entire adult life. I think if I was going to stab someone with it, I'd have done it by now.

The Tories seem to be adopting Labour and the SNP's drivel of going for the law-abiding people because it's just too much work to catch the actual criminals who're stabbing people.

A knife isn't some sort of Chucky-like demonic device that causes people to stab other people. The slightest exercise of the old brain cells will reveal that it's the people who stab people who are in fact the problem. Go arrest them and leave the rest of us alone.

So much for the Tories having changed eh?
30

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:19:49
He fell in love with a blind sculptress.
31

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:22:24
The Conservatives are just a pale copy of New Labour.

Dave Cameron is Blair Xerox.

Anyone that thinks the Conservatives/ New Labour present any kind of substantive policy based on conviction is either a crackpot or f***head.
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Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:22:59
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Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 13:23:46
#29

You mean the're too much like Labour/SNP now? That's worrying.
34

Reality Cheque,

14/05/2009 13:26:03
I was phoned by a Labour canvasser the other night. She seemed genuinely surprised to hear that I would not be voting for her party in the European elections.

"Why not?" she asked.

"Do you want a list?" I replied. "I am a working person and this Labour government has completely betrayed its own founding principles. Gordon Brown has drained my pension, emptied my wallet to pay for Blair's illegal wars, encouraged reckless banking practices that have cost the taxpayer billions, yet are committed to spending billions more on replacing Trident. Now we discover that Ministers and MPs have been feathering their nests while the rest of us worry about keeping our jobs. I could go on..."

For some reason she rang off.
35

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 13:27:06
#31

At least the Tories will do less. Labour do far too much, intervening here, red tape there, overpay GPs here, cut out of hours cover there....
36

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:31:11
#35

You've got no idea son. No idea at all.
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Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:40:27
"At least the Tories will do less"

Politicians aren't about doing themselves out of a job. There is too much government because it's something for these people to do. It doesn't mstter whether that government is right of centre (Conservative) or further right of centre (Labour).
38

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 13:47:31
#37

But it is the Tories that have suggested cutting the numbers of MPs.

And Labour that scuppered reducing the number of MSPs.

I could say you don't get it all. But I won't.
39

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:52:52
#38

The Tories aren't in government. What is "suggested" in opposition is largely meaningless.

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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 14/05/2009 13:54:06
lay the ghost?,even with a 100 exorcists,thats one evil entity that lives on in scotland
the great spectre of maggie hovering over scotland ,like some smell ,or bad reek fom satans archibald
41

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 13:54:32
The trick is to hold the water in a sports bottle.
42

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 14:04:02
#39

Well, looking through recent history I can only see Tory governments that have managed to implement cuts and only Labour governments that have made government bigger.

Actually though, the economy is so trashed that even if in some parallel universe Labour did get in they'd be hard pressed not to make severe cuts.
43

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 14:07:35
She's got diamonds on the soles of her shoes.

She goes her messages by helicopter.

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Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 14:12:04
Goldie isn't really a Conservative anyway.

More drum'n'bass please Annabelle, Metalheadz.

Simon Groom's getting the tins of Winalot in.
45

I love to eat Sellotape,

14/05/2009 14:26:33
He makes the sign of a teaspoon, she makes the sign of a wave.

46

antifa,

14/05/2009 14:28:24
42 - do you really think, after what has just happened in the world economy thanks to our hands-off regulatory regime in financial services, that less govt intervention and red tape is a good thing? You're very wrong mate.

And the Tories want fewer MPs? Great - so we can have even more ineffective representation than we get now.
47

Brian Ferrari,

14/05/2009 14:28:46
Anyway, I won't hear a word against the blessed Margaret. So be nice to her.
48

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 14/05/2009 14:45:04
Anyone got the odds on Thatcher popping her clogs this year ? I've got a party to organise.
49

Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 14:59:47
Was Thatch a sufferer of Asperger Syndrome?

50

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/05/2009 15:57:32
Thatcher is directly responsible for the current economic recession. It was her policies brought in during the eighties, in parallel with Reagan across the pond, that caused this.

Who caused the financialisation of our economy ? Who deliberately destroyed the manufacturing sector ? Who introduced the property owning and share owning democracy ? Who said greed was good and there was no such thing as society ?

The best year to have laid the ghost of Thatcher would have been 1979.
51

I love to eat Sellotape,

14/05/2009 15:59:34
49. Only her dearest friends call her "Thatch".

You, on the other hand, may call her Bigged-Up Capitalist WankPuppet.
52

hibbyspurs,

14/05/2009 16:25:46
Daudi Baldrs.....

You really are a one tracked, blinkered cynicist arent you?

Unable to hear any other argument that your own, you dismiss any thinking that's not inline with your own as drivel.

as for Observer at #50...

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but that is utter nonsense, obviously you still carry a little red book I imagine? You like so many others need to just get over Margret Thatcher and realise that not everyone who wears a blue rosette is "out to get Scotland"....

Ms Goldie for example has done very well in Holyrood by taking a compromising line with SNP and assisting them where possible, it's just good politics - give a little, get a little...

Whilst poles apart on their views on the union the Tories & SNP have made great strides by working together in Holyrood whilst Labour b1tches from the sidelines.

I think perhaps this is what Ms Goldie is driving at when she asks for people to judge her party on today and not yesteryear?

Aside from this David Cameron has made it quite clear he intends to work WITH the administration in Holyrood to ensure the best deal for Scotland & the rest of the union, unlike Labour who merley want to ignore the legally elelected administration because they wear yellow rosettes instead of red ones.
53

Paula McGuire,

14/05/2009 16:29:54
48 - A Clamper
Best comment ive seen all day!
brilliant
54

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 14/05/2009 17:15:42
#48 dont wish that ,as the fife brainiac pm wants to give her a state funeral,who does broon the goon think maggie is?,she was no helen of troy,if you have seen braindead then maggie was that poor guys rat bag mother ,who became the first victim
all thatcher did was sell the family silver ,and live well on it for 10years
as we already owned GPO which did the phones
we could if wanted ,buy our council house,but no she made sure good areas went to those who would keep her in power
old regan a B rated actor ,who could have burned the planet with a flick of a switch
on the other hand ,mandy with a flick of his wrist could--------- Censored---------- bah bloody EEN
55

First Minister,

Greenhouse The Dam 14/05/2009 17:50:44
I will dance on her grave if i get a chance, evil woman, i remember when she visited Leith, there was crowds of people to give her a Leith welcome, she and her car were pelted with eggs, i was only young.
56

Desmo,

Lumphinnans 14/05/2009 19:03:02
"The Ghost of Thatcher"

When did she die ?

How many parties have I missed ?

How do you "lay a ghost" ?


Sorry. That imagery`s too horrible.
57

brianmca3,

edinburgh 14/05/2009 19:08:40
would you need to get "spook erection!" to do the job as they used to do a good one at ingliston on a sunday
58

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 14/05/2009 19:22:42
The Tories have ditched her - time for the SNP? 1979 and all that ... .
59

Walter Ego,

Durness 14/05/2009 19:41:17
58

A bit over the top, WUM. True though.
60

Observer,,

Glasgow 14/05/2009 19:44:02
52 It is cuustomary when calling someone's post ''nonsense'' to demonstrate why. Did you miss that out by accident ?
61

GOODBYE LONDON LABOUR,

Aberdeen 14/05/2009 21:40:20
Just as London Labour cannot be trusted, neither can the anti-Scottish Tories. Goldie is obsessed with the rotting Union and, don't forget , her party was against reconvening the Scots' Parliament in the referendum. Take yourself to the Westminster cesspit, Goldie, and let Scotland complete the task of regaining her Independence.
62

hoblar,

14/05/2009 21:47:07
"Scottish Tory leader tries to lay ghost of Thatcher"

Well, I suppose even promoting headlines extolling Annabelle Goldie's bizarre mission to undertake necrophilia upon an ex tory leader (who isn't even dead yet) makes a change from the pathetic anti SNP headlines we are forced to laugh at in this allegedly Scottish newspaper.




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hoblar,

14/05/2009 22:37:00
''Ms Goldie for example has done very well in Holyrood by taking a compromising line with SNP and assisting them where possible, it's just good politics - give a little, get a little...

Whilst poles apart on their views on the union the Tories & SNP have made great strides by working together in Holyrood whilst Labour b1tches from the sidelines.''

Whereas this is true at the moment, the forward looking consensual politics in the Scottish interest will undoubtedly change when the tories reap the same havoc and ignorance from westminster when England votes them in to that place; they will defend the union and their london base over the Scottish interest EVERY time.

The manipulation of the intent of the Scottish Parliament as a force for good for Scotland will fall prey to the unionist head office in London, whether tory or new labour, in opposition or in government at westminster EVERY time.

The Tory, Liberal and the Labour politicians in Scotland need to start investing their interest in the Scottish people who elect them rather than having this extra powerful force to deal with whenever they open their mouths in Holyrood, and this can only be achieved by them removing the shackles of their westminster bosses.

Their prescence in the Scottish Parliament is a daily joke that will continue until they rebuild their political ideals into one that puts Scotland before Westminster, they need to build their Scottish parties from the ground up, as, ahem.....Wendy Alexander said years ago.

The only thing she got right in principle but no effort was made in practice whatsoever, but it was still the same old tired anti SNP nonsense from the word "go", until she was...."gone'!

Now replaced with somebody even LESS effective, the tiredness and cracks in new labour in Scotland 2009 are there for all to see-defending the dire record (on every conceivable political level) of Gordon brown and the government that is falling to bits in Westminster is their only Scott
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Daudi Baldrs,

14/05/2009 23:25:08
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