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Scottish house prices 'set to plunge by 12%'



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Published Date: 26 October 2008
SCOTTISH house prices will fall even harder and faster than predicted, leading forecasters warned last night.
Capital Economics said it now expected properties north of the border to lose 12% of their value this year and another 15% next.

The research giant, one of the most respected firms of market analysts in the UK, had previously predicted a more mode
st decline of 10% in 2008 and again in 2009.

The new, revised forecast would see Scotland's average house price tumble from an official £158,360 in 2007 to just £121,145 in 2009.

Seema Shah, one of the firm's analysts, said house prices had been over-valued by massive increases seen during the past decade. Therefore, large drops would be an obvious consequence.

She said: "Just to bring prices down to the kind of level we would regard as value for money would take that kind of magnitude of fall."

The decline, however, will still be far less steep than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, with Capital Economics predicting UK house prices to plunge 35% over this year and next.

One of Scotland's leading analysts yesterday also came up with new and gloomier forecasts for Scottish house prices. John Boyle, of Edinburgh-based DTZ, had expected properties to lose 5% of their value between the summer of this year and the summer of next. Now he believes the figure will be between 5% and 10%.

Boyle, who has traditionally been more optimistic than Capital Economics, changed his mind after weeks of chaotic crashes on international financial markets and an increasingly bleak picture emerging of economic fundamentals.

He said: "My prognosis must become much gloomier because unemployment has gone up quite suddenly. It's still lower in Scotland than in England, but that will affect of the overall affordability of homes.

"The big caveat, however, is that there is a huge variety of patterns in house prices across the country. House price forecasting can be a pretty tricky proposition."

Scotland's official Government house price figures are traditionally published months in arrears and have still to catch up with the some of market misery that saw the volume of sales halve from the same period of 2007.

Nationwide, one of the country's biggest building societies, this month said an average of £8,000 had dropped off the price of Scottish homes over July, August and September. That was the steepest decline on record. Average Nationwide house prices in September 2008 were 7% lower than a year before, just before the credit crunch that has sparked the current economic turmoil.

Scotland's two biggest groups of house sellers reported similar figures for the third quarter. Glasgow Solicitors' Property Centre (GSPC) said average prices in the country's biggest city were down 8% at £142,500. Its Edinburgh counterpart, ESPC, said its average was down 7%.

Headline figures, however, continue to mask huge variations, even within a single city, market watchers warned.

Mark Hordern, of GSPC, said new-build two-bedroom flats in the centre of Glasgow were now "real bargains", selling at £150,000-£200,000 compared with pre-crash prices of up to £275,000. But he said homes in established, popular neighbourhoods – close to good schools – could still command far higher prices. Although there is still plenty of room to haggle, he said. "This is a buyers' market," Hordern added. "Nobody is going to be offended by a low offer."

The number of actual sales recorded by GSPC and ESPC are running at half the level of a year ago, with the number of properties on the market up 50% on 2007. There are more than 6,000 houses for sale through ESPC, which covers much of central eastern Scotland, and nearly 4,500 in GSPC, which deals with much of Strathclyde.

There has, however, been a huge change in the way homes are being offered for sale. ESPC said 52% of the properties on its books were now at fixed price, up from little more than around 25% a year ago. GSPC said nearly half its properties were at fixed price as sellers shun the traditional Scottish "offers over" system.

David Marshall, of ESPC, said: "Two-thirds of homes advertised at fixed price are actually selling for less than the asking price."

He added that recent market turmoil had still to have an impact on the Edinburgh housing market, where prices and volumes in October appear to be running at the same kind of level as in September.

Capital Economics, meanwhile, has some good news. Scotland, the firm believes, will recover sooner than previously anticipated from the current crisis with house prices bouncing back a single percentage point in 2010. "The sharper correction isn't necessarily bad news for the economy because we are getting it out of the way quicker," said Shah. "Some first-time buyers are quite happy that at least at some point we will get on to the housing ladder. It had just got to the point where prices were on the verge of ridiculous."





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1

Fifi la Bonbon,

26/10/2008 01:33:29
This is good news. House prices are far too high and need to come down much more.

But reading the story it is clear that the reporter is upset. Look at the language -

"leading forecasters warned last night..."

"...new and gloomier forecasts for Scottish house prices".

To say that a jerry-built new two-bedroom "luxury" flat in the centre of Glasgow was now a "real bargain" selling at £150,000-£200,000 is ridiculous. They are really only worth half of that asking price. And most of them aren't really in the centre.

Right now, half of these flats are empty and the others the owner can't afford to sell. If they're lucky they'll let them to the kind of people they wouldn't have considered six months ago. And all the amateur buy-to-letters are panicking, but refuse to sell at real prices. That will no doubt change as the gap between rental income and repayments grows.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 02:58:54



Take the 'Greed Away' and,...12%, IS NOT ENOUGH!

More the Likes 50% Would be a truer figure!

Fact of Matter IS, We are in a "Recession"!

Fools will Still, think Different!

Wont they get a,....'Wake-up-Call'!?
3

where's the truth at,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 04:03:26
David Marshall, of ESPC, said: "Two-thirds of homes advertised at fixed price are actually selling for less than the asking price."

Only two thirds? Vested interest or what. You guys pumped the market up with your ridiculous sales patter in the last three years.

Why not tell the truth David. If the Fixed Price does not reflect the reduced value (i.e. the asking price is at least 20% rededuced from peak) then it will not sell at that price. If it does, the buyer's advisors are failing in their duty of care owed to their client (the purchaser) as the purchaser is surely overpaying and will regret it when he looks back in 18 months time and sees what he would have paid if he'd waited.

Capital Economics probably have it about right 27% to 30% reduction down from the peak. That appears to be the consensus view. It merely removes a couple of years of excessive price increases. To borrow from the Greenspan lexicon "the irrational exuberance" of the recent years. The risk is that things go further and remove the price increases going farther back say 50% drop back to the 1997 levels -or worse, all the way back to the 1980's. The latter is probably too bleak and merely is the property bears doom-mongering. But remember - property values are merely the collective price perception of the purchasers. Has the "utility" or "amenity" of owning the house you live in really risen 300% since the 1980's?
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Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 05:33:59
Yes, we all need this "reality check", but the fact is that 5-6 years from now it will all be forgotten and we will all be caught up in the "skyrocketing prices" again.
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Lord_S,

Dump 26/10/2008 08:16:04
"just £121,145" = almost 6 times the average wage!! Scotsman journalists must be paid an absolute fortune to dismiss that sum of money as peanuts. They have to fall by a lot more than 12% before the quality of life in this miserable hellhole is acceptable again.
6

FTH22inarow,

26/10/2008 08:50:44
This is why we should have decent council housing
7

tommy M,

26/10/2008 08:50:53
sorry to go off subject but where is any reporting on Glenrothes in this paper?
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 26/10/2008 08:52:42
There have to be some questions asked about "offers over" blind auction system. In other words let's get some transparency back into the business of house purchase. Either fixed price or an open bid system where bids made are accessible to enquirers and there is a set deadline in terms of date and time. At that point the vendor can accept or reject the bids and unlike England accepted offers can still be made binding as they are now. This would calm things down a bit and people who re serious about buying the property don't then have to guess, sometimes wildly over the upset price. People who will find this difficult will no doubt be solitcitors and estate agents who would no longer be able to hype up prices to the same ridiculous extent. It would also upset surveyors as buyers would be able to quickly reject putting in an offer/having a survey done if someone has elected to pay stupid money.

Example - we considered purchasing a flat in Glasgow for our sons who are at the university. We were frequently "advised" by estate agents to put in offers ar least 30% above offers-over price. And in many cases they were getting away with this price-hype. I factored all the costs of this type of purchase into a spreadhseet, compared this to investing the cash instead and just paying for rented accoomodation and it worked out that over a 5 year period we would have to make 8% compound interest on the property to break even! Are we grateful we didn't go down that route.
9

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 26/10/2008 08:53:35
Repeat the fear of falling prices long enough and you make it come true.

Of course, cheap houses are ideal for poor people, so where's the problem unless you are one of the unfortunate VERY few who over-borrowed and now have to sell up?
10

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26/10/2008 09:06:46
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livilion,

livingston 26/10/2008 11:21:21
#10 Vote Lost deposits

You like Maggie? Well good luck with that admission up here. Yes and why don't we go back to shoving kids up chimneys while you're at it?

FYI My parents bought their council house in 1975 under a Labour government and local council.

The significant difference then was that council tenants had the right to buy at current market rates.

Maggie gave local authority housing away at crazy discounts, hoping to convert 'the masses' into property owning Conservatives, so distorting the market which led to the housing bubble which then burst.

Buy to let is no substitute for properly planned and funded local council housing.
12

livilion,

livingston 26/10/2008 11:28:17
#10 Vote lost deposits

BTW the average rental for buy to let proerty is way higher than the cost of the average mortgage repayment, hence the popularity of buying and he-haw to do with your middle class's tax contributions.

Next.
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26/10/2008 13:09:40
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Lord_S,

Dump 26/10/2008 14:37:43
#13. Why are falling house prices bleak? Surely the price of something falling is a good thing? We shouldn't be spending all our money on the embarrassingly bad housing we have in this country. Less money on housing will free up money for other things. Far from bleak in my opinion.
15

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/10/2008 17:18:04
Oh the madness. Oh, the madness was all to see.

It was a mania, fueled by media speak and television programmes on how to convert a bargain into a fortune.

I was working at Granton then. On a newbuild concrete complex of 2-3 bed matchboxes. Madness, I tell you.

2 bed matchboxes with 3 bathrooms. Doh. Radiators in the wrong place (less than a metre from where the end of the bed would have been).

£250-350 grand. Ho, ho,ho.

Easy commuting to Pilton only. Unless you work from 0600-1900.
16

Alistair from the New Town,

26/10/2008 17:56:38
#12 - most amateur buy to let invetors need to subsidise the mortgage payment. Assuming 250K for an average new build 2 bed apartment with 20% down at 6.5% interest over 25 years. The repayment would be 1,350 per month for a capital repayment or 1,083 for an interest only mortgage.
Take a look at Citylets for how much monthly rental is down at Leith and you will see that the average is 700 to possibly 900 per month if lucky. There is a huge supply of rentals in Edinburgh which are considerably cheaper than buying a small flat.
Incidentally, banks require deposits now even from FTBs so they need to save in order to qualify for a mortgage. If you are an FTB, then this is a great opportunity to rent a decent flat cheaply while you save for when the property market bottoms out.
17

Scimitar1,

Glasgow 26/10/2008 18:03:38
A new development near me seems to have all work stopped. The interiors are not finished but building activity halted. The builders must be in dire straits and or the market confidence is ziltch.

27% is significant ,but average house price at 121k would still be higher than long term trend. If the average salary by then is 25k , it's still almost 5 x average wage, so I suspect the numbers are very conservative. What is occuring is a convergence with the English housing market , seperated by a small time lag.

18

Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 26/10/2008 20:32:33
14 What a sad country we have become when you preferred to mention house prices rather than the murder of the unborn. Shame on you.
19

Lord_S,

Dump 26/10/2008 21:32:50
The article had nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with House prices, hence my comment. Are falling house prices related to abortions in any way? Is that something the vested interest media can use? Falling house prices cause increase in abortions so we MUST keep them ridiculously high ! Nonsense.
20

Geed,

26/10/2008 23:01:14
@12) livilion. What on earth are you talking about? Consider yourself educated by 16) Alistair from the New Town.

Lets take Edinburgh...Even the most optimistic figures suggest Edinburgh's average salary is somewhere in the region of £31K. At the traditional salary multiple lending ratio of 3.5X earnings, banks would lend circa £108K. Factor in the obligitory 20% deposit these days and you have average prices in the city at £135k, and remember all market cycles overshoot and undershoot, so average prices will dip below this.

We are happy to pay less for our food, bills, taxes, holidays, beer, cars & furniture but despair when we start to pay less for our homes???? Time to start getting wealthy and prosperous by actually doing something folks. Get a job, get aspirational, make something and sell it, start a business, create some jobs. The credit fuelled housing bubble has burst and values will plummet more than most experts realise.
21

santa cova,

London Lancaster road, W 11. 26/10/2008 23:34:09
19 What an idiot you really are. Why dont you get real and see life as it is? Protect the unborn from the murderers who will destroy them for selfish reasons.
22

livilion,

livingston 27/10/2008 00:14:43
#20 Geed + #16 Alistair from the New Town

Cheers for that education, my brother has just got a mortgage for his council house in East Kilbride, his monthy repayments are now £50 all in cheaper than he was paying in rent to the council.

I was renting from a private landlord in Watford, because I already had a mortgage they wouldn't give me a second mortgage until I got my divorce and because they found asbestos in my own property I couldn't give it away. I tried.

Suffice to say in '98/2000 I was paying £700 rising to £850 a month rent for a three bedroom 70's ex-council terrace I could've bought for £450 a month tops.

But then being a simple soul without your gift for arithmetic, maybe I was actually better off and just didn't realise it?
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Lord_S,

Dump 27/10/2008 09:14:58
#21. Grow up. Of course I'd rather not see unborn children "murdered". Are falling house prices as "bleak" as the "murder of unborn children"? #18 and #13 seem to think they are. So who is the idiot here? I didn't question the use of "Bleak" to describe abortion did I? I questioned the use of the word "Bleak" in relation to cheaper living costs that come with lower house prices (Not abortion)! No point in children being born into this miserable country anyway.
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livilion,

livingston 27/10/2008 11:34:04
16 Alistair from the New Town

£250k for a buy to let 2 bedroom apartment, are you having a giraffe?

In 2000 those Leith warehouse conversions were going for £65k, I nearly bought one myself.
Most of the rest of the country still has 2-3 bedroom flats available for well under £100k.


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