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Published Date: 08 March 2008
IT IS the annual celebration of Scottish culture which never fails to generate more than its share of controversy, fashion faux pas and political spats.


Now Tartan Week, the Stateside festival, is at the centre of another row after being "rebranded" by Alex Salmond's administration at Holyrood.

Not content with ditching "The Best Small Country in The World" as the nation's marketing slogan and renaming the Scottish Executive as the Scottish Government, the First Minister has now ordered the binning of Tartan Week.

Perhaps mindful of the infamous image of his predecessor Jack McConnell in his ill-advised kilt, Mr Salmond has demanded a complete rethink of Holyrood's involvement in the festivities – starting by calling them Scotland Week.

Instead of throwing its weight behind high-profile events like the Tartan Day parade down Fifth Avenue, glamorous fashion shows, pop and rock concerts and major tourism initiatives in the Big Apple, the Scottish Government is set to take an altogether more serious approach.

All mention of Tartan Week – instigated in 1998 after the US Senate unanimously passed a resolution to designate 6 April Tartan Day in honour of Scotland's contribution to America – is said to have been outlawed within the government amid claims Scotland's reputation was being tarnished by the annual New York event.

Some ministers, including Mr Salmond, are expected to tour the US and Canada for a series of Scotland Week-themed events geared to promote business opportunities and help to attract inward investment.

Insiders say the Scottish Government is determined to avoid any prospect of the "Caledonian cringe" rearing its head and only wants to promote contemporary images of Scotland next month.

One source said: "Tartan Week has promoted entirely the wrong image of Scotland. It's all been far too shortbread tin… too many embarrassments."

Tourism minister Jim Mather said: "We want to spread our activities across various cities, not just New York, and we'll be taking a much more serious tack."

VisitScotland chief executive Philip Riddle admitted: "We're scaling back quite significantly."

One such scaling-back is the shelving of the annual Scottish Village, masterminded by VisitScotland, in Grand Central Station. The Dressed to Kilt fashion show has also been ditched.

And although the Tartan Day parade through Manhattan and a fun run through Central Park will go ahead, there is only a handful of other events. These include a football challenge organised by New York members of the Tartan Army, a showcase for Scottish Youth Theatre and a gala dinner hosted by writer Alexander McCall Smith.

Alan Bain, president of the American Scottish Foundation in New York, said: "The traditional images of Scotland are what tug the heartstrings over here."

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "Our objectives will be to extend the reach of the celebrations… and showcase modern Scotland."



DECLARATION DAY

SCOTTISH groups and societies in North America have long taken the anniversary of the Declaration of Arbroath, on 6 April, 1320, as the date to celebrate their roots.

In December 1991, after pressure from the Clans and Scottish Societies of Canada, the Ontario legislature passed a resolution proclaiming 6 April as Tartan Day, following the example of other Canadian provinces. The US followed suit in 1998, when Senate Resolution 155 was passed unanimously.

An informal Tartan Day parade was held that year, but it was only four years later that an official organising committee was set up, and bands were brought to the Big Apple from all over the world.

High-profile supporters over the years have included the Bond legend Sir Sean Connery, fellow actors Brian Cox and Alan Cumming, and rugby stars Gavin and Scott Hastings.

However, Tartan Week has often been marred by controversy over the amount of public funding needed. Former first minister Jack McConnell and Sir Sean had a high-profile falling-out, tensions over funding between Scotland's cities and VisitScotland boiled over, and funding was cut last year.

In 2007, the combined investment by VisitScotland and the Scottish Executive was about £750,000. No figures were available yesterday for this year's Scotland Week events.




The full article contains 690 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 08 March 2008 12:09 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Thorson ,

Peterborough , Canada 08/03/2008 01:42:40

Re:"Mr Salmond has demanded a complete rethink of Holyrood's involvement in the festivities – starting by calling them Scotland Week".

Well done Alex ! I'm not an SNP supporter but serving up haggis, wearing tartan kilts, and nibbling on shortbread is not the image which will successfully promote a country of such diversity and potential as yours.
2

Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 02:29:29
I think it will flop without the icons Scottish Americans love dearly. Modern Scotland is something that should be promoted but tis not why we all go to Scotland and its not what will draw a crowd in NY. Sorry Salmond it will bomb without a little twee!
3

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 08/03/2008 02:48:12
Whiskey,haggis shortbread.All soon to be banned by the PC Brigade.
4

HZ,

08/03/2008 03:34:56
Nothing will tarnish Scotland's reputation more than Salmond and his petty bunch of beaurocrats meddling in another supposedly non-political event and once again trying to dictate what is and isn’t Scottish. Allow the event to be and do what was intended - an advertisement for all that is good about Scotland, even if the initial draw may have to be something a little cliched - a hostile 'this is what you'll think we are' approach will acheive nothing.
5

right of center,

Chicago 08/03/2008 03:45:01
Why is Connery wearing tartan above the Kilt? I hate that!
6

Stuart 2,

Pennsylvania Wilds 08/03/2008 03:46:18
It depends on which side of the pond one is. The citizens of Scotland want to promote their country. Yes, they can honor their ancestors but in promoting Scotland not only the historical Scotland but Scotland today. Nothing wrong with in that.

We across the pond celebrate Tartan Day to honor our ancestors and pay tribute to the Scotland they knew. I have traced six clans in my family tree, all highlanders so I know it wasn't peaches and cream. I wear my kilt for that reason. Also because we have fun doing it.

Scotland shouldn't completely do away with Tartan Day but it should be a part of Scotland Week. BTW, Just celebrting it in New York isn't the answer. Go down thru Pennsylvania to Georgia and then West and you will find where the real Scottish immigrants went and are.
7

MichScot,

USA 08/03/2008 04:29:39
You are right, Beth! The Irish do their whole gamut, and we love the Scottish stuff, myths and all! Frankenmuth, MI, has a restaurant with waiters in Lederhosen. That may bore the real Germans, and kilts and haggis may bore the Scots, but we don't get much exposure to anything non-American, so we really like ethnic stuff here. You can get modern any day of the week.

And that is why I don't listen to Thistle and Shamrock much. There are too many philosopher-singer-songwriters and Bob Dylan wannabes and people stuck in the seventies style. You can hear that anywhere. I'd rather hear the old stuff (Corries, Tannies) or the Afrocelt and techno than just more of the same old BORING thing you can find 24/7.
8

if it smells like chernobyl !!!!!!!!!!!,

08/03/2008 04:55:36
it's america, they love the connection with the old country, why not use it. !
9

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Bob Littlepage,

Denver, Colorado 08/03/2008 05:56:50
I recently uncovered a pretty strong link to the McGregor clan in my family history, making me take a lot more interest in all things Scottish (please keep the Mike Myers jokes to yourselves, kids).

Anyhoo, this is the first I've heard of Tartan Day, and I find the whole thing rather intriguing.

Frankly, I doubt whatever Holyrood decides will make a lick of difference, there'll still be plenty of haggis, shortbread, whiskey, and kilts to be seen.
11

EWB,

UK 08/03/2008 06:27:09
#11. The product is officially spelt "whiskey" in Ireland and the USA, but it's "whisky" in Scotland.

I wonder which Scottish flag will be used to promote Scotland: the white-on-blue Saltire or the more bonny Royal Standard, the red rampant lion on a yellow field so beloved of football (association, not grid-iron) supporters? We can't have the republican American's waving a royal flag, surely?
12

Los Angeles,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 06:38:56

Altering the title is the right thing to do.

American culture has dumbed down everything that moves, speaks, and sings. Let us reverse the process. Let's have them celebrate a modern Scotland and its march to regain nationhood. Let them support Scotland renewed, a Scotland regained.


13

unclesmrgol,

Culver City, CA 08/03/2008 06:45:20
As an American of Scots descent, I don't mind what your government calls our Tartan Day, and I don't mind what you promote, as long as your own people in the end benefit from the tax money you spend here (hopefully in the form of increased tourism from Canada and the United States).

14

Los Angeles,

08/03/2008 06:51:54

Rulesbutnotrulers.

Any chance you can try for more than drivel?

15

Tennscot,

McMinnville 08/03/2008 06:52:34
Alex Salmond Knows as Much about North Americans as my Butt knows about Rugby.!!!Most Americans know about Scotlands Achievements . From Building the Capitol Building in Austin Texas(Scottish stonemasons from Aberdeen) to Nashville and Kentucky.Where Bluegrass and Country owes its roots to Scots and Scots-Irish.The Word Hillbilly comes from Billyboy Immigrants. The Scots are a big part of the History of North America.From Presidents to Tycoons. Hell Even "Jack Daniels" will tell you where they learned to make "The water of life" so Alex Get a Grip , Spend Tartan Week in some Diet Spa, and let the rest of us Jocks and wanna bees Enjoy a wee Bit `o Kilty Land. Don`t try to tell us you never mixed Business with Pleasure.
16

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08/03/2008 07:14:45
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EWB,

UK 08/03/2008 07:29:09
I wonder what impression of Scotland the film "Trainspotting" gave Americans.
18

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 08:01:06
This reminds me of the Walt Disney film, 'Greyfriars Bobby' of the famous mid 19th century devoted dog.

All in glorious technicolour with views of Edinburgh for the Americans to rave over, and of course, the wee dog to pull at the heart strings.

There's a wonderful shot of Edinburgh Castle taken from Calton Hill. Unfortunately, in the foreground, is the North British/Balmoral Hotel, which was built in 1902.

Still, why let that get in the way of a good sry?
19

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 08:30:38
Actually, all we really need to extend the Americans' ideas of Scotland is:

The wee man Harry Lauder
Andy Stewart and the White Heather Club
Kenneth McKellar singing 'Scotland the Brave'
and...........

the dirge-like 'Flower of Scotland'

All eminently suitable for a rosy-tinted, backward-looking, Braveheart view of Scotland.

Cringe.
20

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 08/03/2008 08:44:30
Yet another blatant attempt by Salmond to carry out the wishes of the Scottish people, DELIBERATELY!

Tartan Week = Kailyard
21

Ken Mac,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 08:51:52
Surely it is a case of getting the balance right, of celebrating the old (I'm kind of fond of tartan, whisky and shortbread) and promoting the new Scotland. The Americans love a show and all things traditionally Scottish, why deny them it, enjoy it.
22

eric,

Lothian 08/03/2008 08:57:55
It is very backward.Glasgow and the Highlands dont even potray this image ,Glasgow modern dynamic.Now its going to be all undone and end up like Edinburgh .
23

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Sevrup,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 09:05:47
It would take a very clever graphic designer to create a such a memorable image as instantly recognisable as tartan. Perhaps those modern' cringers could supply the answer and satisfy my ignorance by telling me what Scotland is without tartan and a brief that can be translated visually?
25

calum,

08/03/2008 09:07:07
I'll settle for anything as long as the Americans and us are spared the sight of the grinning idiot Eric "Maroon Balloon" Milligan and Lesley Hinds sliding their way down 5th Avenue. Thankfully, last May's elections have saved us from that!!
26

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 09:30:54
I think the point of the new approach is that if you are using the taxpayers funds then you need to see that is spent in ways that will bring the most reward to Scotland, not just the politicians going over on a tax payer funded pissup. Here is an idea to give New Yorkers a real feel for Scotland without tapping the public purse. Why don't they schedule an international friendly between the Scottish and American football teams during Scotland week? The Tartan army descending on New York, what a sight that would be.
27

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 09:40:32
We need a Scottish version of Riverdance.
Something traditional which can be presented in a contemporary way. A modern musical based around highland dancing with contemporary music.
In short We need a Michael Flaherty.
28

Gothic Rose,

08/03/2008 09:42:11
How other countries celebrate their days,is surely their business."Scotland Week"? Picture the Puns to come!
29

RogueMark,

USA/UK 08/03/2008 09:46:22
Is this more of a situation where Salmond wants to be seen as the "mastermind" for the new Scotland Week by binning Tartan Week, which was developed by the previous administrations? I take it that Mr. Salmond fails to recognize that there are more people of Scottish bloodline outside of Scotland than in it and enjoy celebrating their heritage by wearing their clan's kilt, eat shortbread and haggis. If he desires to gain support from abroad for economic investment he needs to understand that using these bits of heritage are a strong base to build on. Also, these are the images that bring tourist money to Scotland...not what new building is being raised. This change seems like he is ashamed of his own heritage by trying to diminish, even hiding, it to promote a bland generic future for Scotland.
30

bill-alba,

Fife 08/03/2008 10:00:00
The US and Canada can continue to call April 6th "tartan day" it is just a bit silly for Scotland to name the day that celebrates the Declaration of Arbroath (or Independence day) as tartan day. So well done Alex...When we are independent we can celebrate the day as a public holiday.
31

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08/03/2008 10:03:47
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Over the Top,

08/03/2008 10:08:40
It is so clear the Scots here have little or no understanding of the Scots of Gaelic ancestry and many other Scots as well.

Few very few come to Scotland to visit the Industrial areas etc. It is like the English colonialist who always knows best.

Most of the Scots from the Industrial areas of Scotland could not wait to integrate and lose all traces of their Scottishness and as quickly as possible.
33

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:12:05
RogueMark,
I think your of the mark. Noboby is getting rid of all the Tartan and Haggis. He is just making a better use of Scottish Public Funds. How the American organizers choose to spend their funds is up to them. The subtelty that I see most don't understand is he is going to focus more effort on trying to draw inward investment into Scotland, rather than use this as a Photo Op for a bunch of do nothings like the previous administration.
34

South Ayrshire Sanny Hossack,

08/03/2008 10:15:04
Sean Connery backs tartan week, this is the same Sean Connery who promotes and advertises Suntory Japanese whisky, its outrages, the people of Scotland and companys like Diageo should give this numpty a wide bearth. Hes a fannie.
35

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:21:16
#36 Kimba
Their is nothing hypocritical about Sean Connery. He has been constant in his opposition to the Union, even to the point of becoming a tax exile to insure none of his money was used to prop up Westminster.
36

kimba,

08/03/2008 10:27:35
40. But he took the knighthood from the Queen of England!
37

Over the Top,

08/03/2008 10:28:07
Why are so many in Scotland wanting an independent Scottish State that is a copy of England linguistically, culturally and socially.

Should we not then just the status quo, devolution.
38

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:30:34
#35 bill-alba
I think the Government as part of the Scotland Week celebrations should sponsor an essay writing competition for American high school students. The theme should be how the Declaration of Arbroath was an inspiration for the American Revolution. The winner could be given a trip for them and their family to Scotland. This would also enlighten many American's about Scotlands current struggle for Indepenance and should help with support for swift recognition when we declare Independance.
39

Heather B,

Anstruther 08/03/2008 10:30:53
I think the SNP don't want the negative press here in Scotland. Everyone remembers Jack McConnell's kilt and blouse. (Though a quick look up on Alec Salmond Tartan Week in g oogle will show another First Minister looking daft)
40

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:33:23
#41
She is also currently the Queen of Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Canada, New Zealand, Australia.
41

Over the Top,

08/03/2008 10:37:07
Most Scots whose ancestors came from the Central Belt of Scotland became Anglos with little effort as quickly as they could and have only recently come out of the closet knowing that it was safe and the right thing financially to do so.



42

kimba,

08/03/2008 10:41:54
Indeed she is,she was also born and bred in England and her grandsons {wills&harry} are avid supporters of England! watch the rugby today and see for yourself.
43

Saoghal Beag,

08/03/2008 10:42:10
EWB, obvioously they will use the saltire and not the lion rampant which is a royal standard.

Right of center, and why should he not wear tartan above the kilt, beats a bow tie. Also if he chose to wear a plaid over his shoulder or if he wore the full kilt he again would have tartan above his waist.
44

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 10:44:11
Oh! look at that lovely photograph. Its a tartan kilted Scot, with an English title. Scratch a tartan kilted Scot and you are most likely to find a "SIR" there somewhere.
45

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:48:43
#46
Over the top, you are so utterly ignorant of history you could only be the product of the American school system. The American Revolution was primarily a Scots and Scots Irish undertaking. The majority of the signatories on your Declaration of Independance where of Scots or Scots Irish descent. Since it was Scots who created your country they had no need to assimilate. What you hold out as "Anglo" culture is in fact Scottish. Your entire nation has in fact been assimilating into Scottish culture
46

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 10:52:41
#47
Well what would you expect from a bunch of inbred Germans.
47

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 10:53:19
Whiskey -Tartan and shortbread,do not make a nation. Freedom from English rule is the only road to Scottish nationhood. When that day comes, I am afraid that we shall have to remove Mr.Bond's English title.
48

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 10:56:52
#41 Kimba.. How right you are!
49

kimba,

08/03/2008 11:06:17
51,about as much as I would expect from a bunch of inbred scots! after all her mother was the daughter of a scottish earl.
50

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow Home of the brave Scots. 08/03/2008 11:10:38
#45 Kampung.........Lizzie Windsor is queen of England.Most people throughout the world recognise her as "queen of England" and that is exactly what she is. She has no authority to be queen of any part of Ireland,as 87% of the people on the island of Ireland reject any form of monarchy. 49% of the Australian people rejected her at the last poll. I an sure that if a poll were to be taken here in Scotland,she would get her marching orders. We as True Scots object to being "ruled over" by a English-German queen.AWAY WITH HER! Phoblacht na Alba go brugh. Alba abhu!
51

Transparent?,

Scotland 08/03/2008 11:14:57
All this because Salmond refuses to be seen wearing a kilt - and, with his shape, who can blame him for that.

What the SNP cannot aspire to, they will steal or destroy.
52

KampungHighlander,

08/03/2008 11:15:43
#54
"after all her mother was the daughter of a scottish earl." Next time just say grandaughter. Well she isn't totally worthless then. Kimba since you love coming on this sight to wave St Georges flag about tell me what you think of the following statement. Since all the people in the United Kingdom have primary identification with the individual kingdoms of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, would it not be best that the Union was disolved and that each kingdom become an independant nation.
53

kimba,

08/03/2008 11:19:56
It always amazes me why people can't be SCOTS/BRITISH ENGLISH/BRITISH etc,I support a English parliament to deal with English affairs but I also support the union.
54

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 11:24:24
#57
After Scotland has achieved Independance we can put that question to the Scottish people in a referendum.
I personally don't have strong feeling on the matter one way or the other.
55

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/03/2008 11:31:34
#61
But Why? This British thing is superfluous. Can't you come up with a better reason than some vague emotional attachment to a concept best left in the Age of Empire, rather than the Modern Age.
56

Over the Top,

08/03/2008 11:38:12
Why can't the Scots accept that they are the same as the English but with an accent.
Being different from the English is just not for them as they have no reason to be different.
57

subrosa,

08/03/2008 11:57:36
At last an end to visitscotland's jollie and now hopefully sensible use of taxpayers monies. For too many years visitscotland has been out there for weeks at this time supposedly 'promoting' Scotland but not setting a foot outside New York. The only thing they did was a fashion parade, the rest of arrangements such as pipe bands etc being provided by the American diaspora.
58

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 11:59:09
Get shot of VisitScotland altogether.
It is an unhealthy obsession with tourism. Those who wish to visit may, yet to be advertising in other countries, is another way of having your own land swamped by people who have been encouraged to go rather than chosen to go for a good reason.
59

Highland Mighty,

08/03/2008 12:06:49
18. "Dont knock Alex Salmond, as he along with millions of others over here hope to end being ruled by Westminster."

Is that so? "Millions"? Where do you get that nonsense from?!

Repeated polls show roughly a quarter of the electorate want out of the UK. That's barely 900,000.

Again, all polls show only about 900,000 of us want independence. Not millions.

Not even nine long months of Salmond and his whingers picking one pointless little fight after another with the UK has boosted support. In fact, support has dropped.

Unless, of course, you can prove otherwise.
60

EWB,

UK 08/03/2008 12:09:13
#30. I don't get your point. I said: "What impression of Scotland does 'Trainspotting' give?"

Are you trying to say that Glasgow isn't part of Scotland?
61

H215,

New York 08/03/2008 12:13:28
Excuse me, but ITS OUR BLOODY HOLIDAY, NOT YOURS!!

What the frack is this - 3 weeks before Tartan Week, and he thinks he can rename OUR holiday!!

OK, what's sauce for the goose....

I hereby outlaw the word "Hogmanay." From now on, it'll be "New Year's Eve in Edinburgh." You Scots will have to accept it.

Please!! I don't care what Salmond does with Scottish taxpayers money, its his decision, but Tartan Day is OUR holiday.

Way to go, Alex. Way to build good relations with the Diaspora, so that we come over and give you our money.
62

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 12:19:09
42
Over the Top

Exactly what planet are you from ?

English media manipulation and historical propaganda endorsement Planet ?

"Why are so many in Scotland wanting an independent Scottish State """that is a copy of England linguistically, culturally and socially."""

Should we not then just the status quo, devolution."

A couple of wee facts, assuming your nursery school has finished. England does not have a culture, this is exactly why so many problems emanate from their system. Observing the english bubble in Scotland, most you will find of an opinion exactly opposed to your bizarre comment which flounders under oppression.
Any thinking native knows, this foreign system to Britain is the problem, we are the solution. We are the roots, we are the growing cultural stem which will allow our country to rise back on the feet she so assertedly deserves to stand with again and will educate, inspire conceive, invent, design, create, control our own resources and move forward with a multi-linguistic populace fully aware of their past and the way forward to the future on our own terms.
63

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 12:21:54
74
Highland Mighty,
08/03/2008 12:06:49

Polls don't mean a thing, are you still into the Union?

Out of the UK?, don't you mean regain independence?

http://www.irishdemocrat.co.uk/anonn-is-anall/the-challenge-to-the-uk-state/
64

H215,

New York 08/03/2008 12:24:43
PS. WE still have our own events. The St. Andrews Society is hosting a cocktail party and ball, the NY Caledonians are hosting the Pre-Parade Ceilidh, the New York Tartan Day Committee is hosting the Parade, plus there's the Kirking of the Tartan, the Parade Day Brunch, the After-Party at Stout, and finally, the Tartan Army is hosting the After Party Party. Plus more!

Go to www dot tartanweek dot com to learn more. Come and visit!
65

Highland Mighty,

08/03/2008 12:25:38
77. Ard Righ: "England does not have a culture"

Ah, that beautiful racist side to the nationalist movement on show to the world, yet again. Truly the pride of Scotland.

You are a blot on this country. Feel free to emulate so many of the other nationalists on these boards who love Scotland so much that they emigrated.

Begone and stay gone.
66

Highland Mighty,

08/03/2008 12:27:06
79. You're the scum of Scotland. Get out of my country.
67

Gdgy,

08/03/2008 12:29:16
once again the SNP grab some headlines, riase some issues...HOw about doing something?
Or would that expose how badly they have budgeted, how they can't deliver on their promises...
Nicola - get the excuse generator on full warped power...No, no captain Lec, it cannae take anymore!!
68

Clive Hamblin,

Sussex 08/03/2008 12:33:38
Well said # 74!

'Some Ministers, including Mr Salmond are expectd to tour the USA.' So far, the clot's managed to upset a large volume of opinion in his own country. Why doesn't he stay there and try and put that right before setting off on tax paid jollies overseas. He could start by recognising that his personal ambitions aren't shared by the majority of his countrymen.

69

H215,

New York 08/03/2008 12:37:32
Hi #78. Thank you for the nice remark about NYC. Yes, we love for people to come visit.

But VisitScotland HAS been muscling in, being dismissive of us, etc etc for years. Many of us have given up on them ever playing nice.

We don't understand it, because we're all working for the same thing basically - a recognition and celebration of the contribution of Scots and Scottish-Americans to the US (and Canada - they have their own events); with a strengthing of the bonds between our various countries; leading to increased trade, travel, etc.

Yes, some of us love the Holy Trinity (whisky, tartan, shortbread). But at the same time, that's what VisitScotland has been pushing. We're not the bad guys here.

So how about a MIX of the Trinity AND the new stuff (eco-tourism, sustainable energy technologies, and so on). And individual people can sup from whatever parts of the mix they like.

The sandbox and the dinner table are big enough for all.

Though the pub's getting crowded....
70

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 12:38:28
67
Over the Top,
08/03/2008 11:38:12

You are supremely odd and or thick.

The Scots are Pictish and Irish, we are the natives.The english are different. About as similar as Russians compared with Americans.

Given that the Scots, Irish, Cymry, Cornish and other pockets of Celtic peoples in Britain and Ireland ARE the norm, and that the english (germanic invading colonists) had their speech altered by a university recently, not a culture, and all have english accents, cannot pronounce r's properly as the rest of the world can, clearly the english accent is exactly that, an accent and is not normal by any definition of the term. Utterly contrived. Baseless, Corrupt.
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Carrie D,

Halifax NS 08/03/2008 12:48:57
Once again, the true origin of Tartan Day has been forgotten.

It is a day that stems from an idea at a meeting of the Federation of Scottish Clans of Nova Scotia in Antigonish, NS, in 1986. The FSCNS took the idea forward, as a Canadian day to commemorate our Scottish heritage and the struggles the Scottish people had when they came to this country.

The Nova Scotia House of Assembly passed the First Tartan Day act in 1987 and the idea, thanks in part to the work of Jean Watson, has spread from there.

We are currently strategizing on having Tartan Day officially recognized by the government of Canada. However, our PM is a Yorkin!
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John S,

08/03/2008 12:49:44
#74 - It depends on what poll one wants to believe.
Telegraph 17/12/2007- Support for separation has risen to 40 per cent in the past three months, according to the survey by TNS System Three, carried out in late November and early December. The figure is an increase of five per cent since the last time the poll was run in August.


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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 08/03/2008 12:52:58
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Highland Mighty,
08/03/2008 12:25:38

My, you are are particularly deluded today High and Mighty Unionist agenda boy.

Obviously you cannot differentiate between cultural observations, or non-cultural for that matter,less differentiate between racist or nationalist or indeed standing up for your nationality.

Of course the english don't have a culture, they live in South Britain? Morris dancing! it's from Morrocco.

You are not a Scot, why are you here, paid up unionism?

I emulate free thought. Drone.
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Finnharp,

08/03/2008 12:59:26
#11 Bob Littlepage:

Its funny reading this stuff and coming across your post. I m oved to Canada 20 years ago have a Canadian wife and three kids. My youngest son is McGregory from our ancestry. You never know we may be related.
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joppa jock,

Huntingdon 08/03/2008 13:12:36
As is the norm in the postings in this paper every subject develops into a verbal battle between the Nationalists and the Unionists while the subject for discussion gets lost in the smoke of battle. It is interesting that the overwhelming number of postings from overseas are far more interested in maintaining the old style Tartan Day than the proposed one. As they are the people who are to be enticed into spending money on return trips to Scotland surely they must be listened to.
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Dylan fan,

Planet earth 08/03/2008 13:22:28

Well anything Scottish is wonderful! Surely modern Scottish Society has its serious and outrageous side, why not enjoy them both? I mean where else can you get a sample of Scotch whiskey in your Sunday News?
or enjoy something like the Fringe Festival? (just two examples) What everyone likes about you is that you are you!!!
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paul 02,

Germany . 08/03/2008 13:34:52
What irritants those two Irishmen Salmond and Connery are ! There is much to commend Scotland without those two complete nonentities and their humbug . The Scotland I know is a beautiful , historic , welcoming . It does not need a tax evading half wit as its spokesman .
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 13:46:24
#63 Kampung......Point taken!
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 13:50:52
#69 Clarry...... We will agree to differ.
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Pud Pu,

NYC 08/03/2008 13:52:12
The parade goes down 6th avenue you numbskulls

I hate all things Scottish but the Yanks love it. I've seen them swarming like flies round poo at the Grand central exhibition.

Salmond has shot his own Jacobite foot this time.

Every other country has a daft parade here in NY so I'm glad Scotland cannae now dae it. Cos yous are no a country and dont deserve a festival like all the othir countries.

A vicorty for Britania.

We are the people !
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Abel Magwitch,

08/03/2008 13:52:15
A word in defence of the English culture. Until 1947 I went to school in England and we got a heavy dose of it via the poems of Sir Henry Newbolt (Admirals All for England's sake) and innumerable songs such as "There'll Always be an England", "The Fishermen of England". As a prize I was given a book called "Where the Rainbow Ends" a marvellous over-the-top evocation of England, with St.George making an appearance near the end. After moving to Scotland I got another book prize but this time it was one of John Buchan's novels which I enjoyed much more than the Rainbow book, but nevertheless it had made its impression.

Scotland is emerging slowly and painfully from its long cringe period but don't let's make it an excuse for playground name-calling; the two cultures are strong enough to respect each other.
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Really,

08/03/2008 14:02:38
scotland, scotland, freedom, independance, braveheart, scotland is great, scotland is good. except in any town centre on a weekend.
it's no fair, scotland would be the bestest country in the world if it wasn't for everybody else picking on us and stealing our stuff.
the english, the english , the english.
scotland is not a country full of racists really, unless you're english, or asian, or pakistani, or chinese, or anything other than scottish actually.
scotland the brave, our glorious past, ruled over by the yoke of an english tyrant. yeah right.
if scotland is so great, why is everybody here as miserable as sin and constantly moaning about everything.
oh yes, i forgot, it is all the fault of the english.
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H215,

New York 08/03/2008 14:03:06
#100 - Don't understand your hate, so I'll ignore it. But two points for other readers - the Parade goes UP 6th Avenue, and the Parade is most definitely on.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 14:11:42
Thank God. It is about time something was done about Visitscotland and their inadequacies. Frankly they couldn't sell peanuts to monkeys and wrapping themselves in tartan has been their excuse for a lack of creativity and imagination for years. To our transatlantic cousins look guys I don't quite know how to break it to you but the clan tartan thing- we kind of made it up in the 19th century, much as many of us love haggis and shortbread we don't live on it. Neither do we in any shape or form resemble Brigadoon and as a matter of fact we invented your country in Edinburgh during the enlightenment. Neither are we now or ever were all highlanders. So if you want to get in touch with your Scottish heritage read some decent history books, preferably the ones without pictures.
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The Tin Man,

Ove rthe Rainbow 08/03/2008 14:15:54
#201 Really

Exactly.

So, someone changed the name of a parade in New York..... yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn!
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Over the Top,

08/03/2008 14:23:45
Who is kidding who?

Of course, England has a Culture and a language as well which is shared and copied by millions in Scotland.
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Distant Diamond,

Boston 08/03/2008 14:46:25
As a Scot in the USA for work, I was at the parade during Tartan week last year and people were handing out wee paper Saltire's. It was fun but I can't name the number of Americans who had to ask which country the flag was from!?

The problem with calling it Tartan week is anybody who wears a kilt muscles into the parade... there were a couple of Irish pipe bands in the parade last year! Our Irish cousins really know how to market themselves in the US, and we need to build on our strong roots there too, so calling it Scotland week is an excellent start! Well done the SNP. We need some of the twee shortbread type stuff so people get hooked in initially but there should be a defined link, on the same page if you will, with what Scotland has given to the world and what it will continue to give to the world in the future.
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Joanna,

08/03/2008 14:48:28
KampungHighlander @ 50

"The majority of the signatories on your Declaration of Independance where of Scots or Scots Irish descent"

Maybe so, but they used the iconic Magna Carta signed by King John of England in 1215 as the basis for it. After the American War of Independence against Britain, two clauses from Magna Carta became the fifth and sixth amendments of the American Constitution.

So, it most certainly was influenced by the English. I really do think you should read up on it.

The statement that the English do not have a culture is completely stupid and hardly worth my time addressing. However, we know the richness of our English heritage, our wealth of literature, art and music and our language which we have given to the world. We are so secure in our identity that we do not constantly have to shout and denigrate other countries as some of the 'tartan' posters on here do. If I sound arrogant, so be it, when it comes to being English I am proud of it as are so many of my fellow countrymen and women and whether there is a union or not, we will still be English.


To the New Yorkers - Good Luck with your Tartan (Scotland) Day, it sounds like fun and that's what we need more of in this world - a bit of fun :)
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 08/03/2008 15:12:21
Clarry

Who do you think sailed on the Mayflower? Yes, that's right pilgrims from Boston in England who were fleeing from religious oppression.

Who do you think were sent on the convict ships to Austrailia? Yes, that's right all the flotsam and jetsam of the English prison system.

Have you heard of the Enclosures Acts? They were a series of Acts of Parliament which forced English peasants off the land and into the mills, mines and factories to fuel the Industrial Revolution.

Your ignorance of England and the ordinary people is breataking. We are not all members of the ruling elite and I can assure you that the working classes of England suffered under the rule of the nobility every bit as much and sometimes more so than other countries.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 08/03/2008 15:14:04
Clarry

You obviously have a one track mind - I said the American Consitition was influenced by Magna Carta not the War.

That is a fact, twist it whichever way you want, I deal in facts only.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 08/03/2008 15:42:35
In the 2000 Census, Americans were able to state their ancestries. The most frequently stated European-derived ancestries were:

German - (15.2%)
Irish - (10.8%) - Does not include those of Scots-Irish descent.
English - (8.7%) - This may be a serious undercount because in 1980 almost twice as many people claimed English ancestry
"American" - (7.2%) - Mostly of British (mainly English and Scottish/Scots-Irish, but also Welsh as well) ancestry that they are unaware about or cannot trace[citation needed]
Italian - (5.6%)
Polish - (3.2%)
French - (3.0%)
Scottish - (1.7%)
Dutch - (1.6%)
Norwegian - (1.6%)
Scots-Irish - (1.5%)
Swedish - (1.4%)
Russian - (0.9%)
French Canadian - (0.8%)


No problem, Clarry, I thought you might be interested in the above stats tho'. There are quite a lot of Americans still claiming English descent.

The weather is awful here, cold, wet and windy, typical March.

I am very interested in both English and Scottish history with a particular preference for the period from 1540 and the
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 08/03/2008 15:44:23
I am very interested in both English and Scottish history with a particular preference for the periods from 1540 to the late Victorian age.

I thought I'd better finish that off as I was 'cut off in my prime' by the computer developing a mind of its own!

Take care :)


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Los Angeles,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 15:54:02

When they stated they thought they were of "English" decent did they mean "British"? They ofen get the two confused as they do when saying they have Irish ancestors when they mean Scots, or vice-versa.

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StM,

Toronto & Fife 08/03/2008 15:59:05
Tartan Day is a Canadian, not US invention. It spread from Nova Scotia not New York. In 2007 Jean Watson, its originator was awarded the Scot of the Year award for that contribution to the celebration of the Scottish diaspora and its roots in the homeland. Check out, http://www.electricscotland.com/canada/scotof_theyear.htm for the story of those whose contributions abroad have been recognized in Canada by the Scottish Studies Foundation. Among other things, this group supports a Scottish Studies Chair at Guelph University in Ontario: and Guelph's library happens to have the greatest collection of Scottish materials outside of Scotland. Also, check out the website www.electricscotland.com for the biggest website of Scottish historical materials anywhere (attracting well over a million readers a month) . . . whose webmaster is a Scot who recently emigrated to Chatham, Ontario. And, finally, it is Canada that has the greater percentage of Scot descendents, not the US.
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MichScot,

USA 08/03/2008 16:06:02
Haven't seen "Trainspotting."

OK, how about "Declaration Day" or "Arbroath Day"?
Sure, get your modern stuff in there and definitely do it for the businessman, but give us our heritage show, as well. Why do you hate it so? Your heritage is a badge of honor.

#26 Jacobite
Since we are honoring our past, why bring up the stuff like the clearances, when we are trying to improve an image--one about which I've heard said:

"Why brag? WE know who we are and what our accomplishments are."

That's your problem: you never let anyone know, so there is ignorance in the population who have not heard.

Yes, #32, we need a Scottish "Riverdance". That would help let others know!
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Western Gael,

08/03/2008 16:21:47
After years of watching how all things Scottish -- real or imagined, "faux" or legitimate -- bring Americans across the Atlantic to visit Scotland and leave buckets of money in their wake, I can't imagine anything more looney than changing what so obviously works. Madness -- sheer madness!
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Joe90,

Erehwon 08/03/2008 16:52:28
Clarry, # 114

Sshhh, Hen! I think the American War of Independence preceded the French Revolution by 19 years!

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/03/2008 17:12:53
132. Enjoy it? had she not precited the result earlier....something about English men proving themselves in relation to Scotsmen.... quite what they were proving themselves she wasn't specific...maybe she will explain later
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Joanna,

08/03/2008 17:17:32
131 Joe90

Very true 1775 for the W of I and 1789 for the French Revolution. So unless the combatants of 1775 had some kind of second-sight it is impossible for them to have been copying the French!





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gwennie,

North Carolina, USA 08/03/2008 17:27:41
OK, OK....I love this banter. Being married to a pure Irishman, I am thrilled to have my intellectual, uber-inventive, country of my roots celebrate a week! 40 years of suffering through 'St Paddy's Days' and I'm tired of it all. So, we honor our brains, our culture, our wonderful art, our history, and our literature. What is wrong with this? Hey, maybe a cuppa with a biscuit to wash it all down wouldn't kill a person. Try not to whine so much... and work on keeping out that pesky Trump.
I say INTERNATIONAL Scottish Week is more like it! and really show what we are made of.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 17:31:15
I don't think that Salmond actually knows what he wants, nor does he understand Americans, nor does he know how to go about maximizing the event to Scotland's (and America's) benefit. No problem, he certainly isn’t the first.

So: What does he want? If I were him, I would say:

"I want Americans to love Scots, invest gobs of money in our wee country, and have a lot of fun doing it.”

I don't know if he's capable of doing so, but his Irish neighbor, Bertie Ahern, certainly did - and figured out how to do so to Ireland's advantage about 25 years ago. The Irish are reaping the benefits now, Scots need to make up for lost time and opportunities.

I think that this is what Salmond wants, God knows why he just won’t come out and say so – political habit, I guess. Since he won’t, allow me ‘fill in the blanks’ for him:

Desire #1. ”I want Americans to love Scots,…”

If a Scot isn’t wearing a kilt, playing the bagpipes or tossing a telephone phone pole, Americans can’t tell your funny accents from English or Irish. No offense meant. Conversely, if someone is playing a bagpipe and wearing a kilt, EVERY American will instantly recognize him properly as a Scot.

Answer #1 - Don’t try to change the ‘Tartan’ image, use it to Scotland’s advantage. You’re lucky to have this image that every American can identify! Do you know how many other countries would love to have a national image that EVERY American instantly recognizes? Ask the Portuguese, for starters…

Every Celtic/Scottish store in every mall in the US has a picture of Sean Connery wearing a tartan kilt with ‘Scotland Forever’ tattooed on his arm. If it’s good enough for him, why does Salmond complain? Americans really, really, REALLY like Sean Connery. Americans think that ‘Salmond’ is a smoked fish from Alaska.

Don’t blow it - you’ve got a winner of an image here, go with it. Keep it ‘Tartan’, just make it a festive event and a good opportunity for businessmen to gather and celebrate – and PRESIDE over
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 17:31:49
Desire #2 - “…invest gobs of money…”

Answer #2 – Form useful business contacts thru ‘Sister City’ connections.

Americans are good businesspeople (like it or not, they DO know how to make money), they need to know WHO they should invest their money with as well as WHY they should invest! It would also help if they were to LOOK GOOD while doing it.

How did Bertie do it? While the Mayor of Dublin, he established a link with Tom McIhnery, the mayor of San Jose, CA, as a ‘Sister City’. This gave businessmen and civic leaders the ‘Holy Grail’ – which is, of course, excellent excuses for ‘all expense paid’ junkets to far-off countries for the reason of advancing ‘investment opportunity’ and ‘cultural exchanges’.

http://www.sister-cities.org/icrc/directory/Europe/Ireland/index

Example: Ireland and the US

Dublin – San Jose, CA (the ‘capitol of the Silicon Valley’, the center of IT investment)
Cork – San Francisco, CA (new home of investment for Genetics)
Galway - Seattle, Washington (Pacific hub and host to the majority of US – China trade)
Galway - St. Louis, Missouri (Crossroads of the US, transportation – and Beer)
Galway - Chicago, Illinois (America’s third largest city, food and mercantile exchange)
Galway - Cambridge, Massachusetts (Home of ‘Ivy League’ Cambridge University)
Galway - Milwaukee, Wisconsin (World’s largest Irish Festival – including Ireland!)
Galway - Santa Cruz, California (University of Cal. Santa Cruz, progressive thinking, youth)

Galway looks pretty smart to me. Ireland is now home to massive amounts of American IT investment, Dublin and Cork are a blast to visit, Galway is the fastest growing city in Europe, a hub of youth and excitement.

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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 17:33:02
Example: Scotland and the US:

http://www.sister-cities.org/icrc/directory/Europe/UK/index

Dumfries, Scotland - Annapolis, Maryland (Home of the US naval Academy – no money there.)

Dunbar, Scotland - Martinez, California (The West Coasts second largest Oil Refinery?)

Dundee, Scotland - Alexandria, Virginia (Home to Washington DC Civil servants)

Dunfermline, Scotland - Sarasota, Florida (Fun in the sun?)

Edinburgh, Scotland - San Diego, California (The West Coast’s largest US Navy base. What is with you Scots and the US Navy?)

Embo, Scotland - Maui County, Hawaii (This is the only one that makes sense – go to Hawaii for the Scottish winter)

Forres, Scotland - Mount Dora, Florida (Runner-up. Nice climate, old people - they will invest and not know why, nor remember.)

Glasgow, Scotland – NONE (They are missing the point entirely.)

Grampian Region, Scotland Houston, Texas (Oil and Enron country. Uh, Enron went broke, you know.)
North Berwick, Scotland Wellington, Ohio (?????)
Oban, Scotland Laurinburg, North Carolina (?????)

Western Isles, Scotland Pendleton, South Carolina (No idea why – nice Mint Juleps perhaps??)

There may be other ‘sister-city’ relationships that I missed, but for comparative purposes I think I made my point fairly clear.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 17:33:35
Desire #3 – “… and have fun doing it”

Answer #3 – After the cities Scotland have established links with cities that are major American hubs (however they want, but ‘Sister Cities’ is an established and easy way to do it, and it works), April 6th will be the day that they ALL head to the US to meet with their American mates and “PRESIDE OVER A NUMBER OF PLANNED EVENTS”.

Scots give Americans a haggis, Americans give Scots a bottle of sun-block. Drinks are drunk, businessmen (always looking for an excuse to ‘unwind’) attend , bagpipes are played, sword dances are danced, American News Media are invited (on a slow news day they’ll come) and then are given the prepared investment portfolios by the staff of the minister of investment or whatever.

Give it a few years, then the contacts will grow – then Scots can arrive on ‘Tartan Day’ at the invitation of the US president, present him/her with a nice kilt, bagpipes will be played, sword dances will be danced…

Surely, if the Irish can do it the Scots can do it.

It isn’t called ‘Irish Day’, it’s called ‘St. Patrick’s Day’ – and every American knows of it. ‘Scotland Day’ out – ‘Tartan Day’ in.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 17:34:13
I forgot - Make sure that Sean Connery is there as much as possible.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 17:40:35
Addenum:

The website for the San Jose - Dublin Sister City Committee.

http://www.sjeconomy.com/sistercities/dublin.asp

Nice site, hopefully everyone notices that it is a department of San Jose's ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT Division.
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Western Gael,

08/03/2008 17:59:53
130

You offer good examples of change resulting from application of the "Scientific Method" where rational decisions are based on choices among alternatives and assessments of the consequences of those choices. How much of that do you believe preceded this Government decision? Change for change's sake alone -- now that's the madness.
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H215,

New York 08/03/2008 18:03:02
Dáithí - great comments, thanks!

Another point - Americans love St. Pat's Day because they get to wear green in outfits ranging from serious to silly. "The wearing of the green" is an invitation to be creative.

Well, imagine if "the wearing of the tartan" was promoted the same way? Imagine the fun people all over the country would have mixing & matching (or better - clashing) tartans. And when you consider all the families, clans, districts, states, provinces - both ancestral and current - it could really be promoted as a day to show off your heritage(s) and/or identities. Tartan Day could be fun and creative and meaningful.

(And yes, we know many tartan patterns are of recent/ dubious creation. That doesn't make them less meaningful and/or fun.)
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 18:19:56
#143 - H215

>"Another point - Americans love St. Pat's Day because they get to wear green in outfits ranging from serious to silly."

Exactly - they can choose their level of involvement. But it takes time to build the awareness of the Scottish-American identity before it becomes as big of an event as St. Paddy's day.

Scots will also have to 'roll with the punches' when Americans go a bit 'overboard', but remember - it's all in good fun!

>"Well, imagine if "the wearing of the tartan" was promoted the same way?

I think that there are a lot of Scots that DON'T want it promoted that way. They look at it as 'silliness' and would prefer if it was a more somber celebration.

If Scots can live with the 'silliness', then they will have plenty of opportunities to teach the Americans about what Scotland is really about - but at least the Americans are interested, and listening.

You have to get the Americans voluntary attention first.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 18:25:12
#135 Gewnnie

>"I say INTERNATIONAL Scottish Week is more like it! and really show what we are made of."

Not bad, but if you limit it to just one day the revelers will stretch it out for a week! The Irish don't call it 'International' St. Patrick's Day but it is international, nothing stops it from being an international event! ;)

Salmond needs to come up with a strategy, delegate the tactics and have his staff come up with an IAP (Incident Action Plan), or just a 'plan'.

I don't think that they are at that stage yet.
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Los Angeles,

08/03/2008 18:27:04

"Tartan Week" sounds like a fashion show - and quite frankly is interpreted by many Scots as patronising. As tartan has been adopted by many western countries as a fashion statement, it is also misleading.

For those using "St Patrick's Day" as an example of why "tartan" should stay, try:

St Andrew's Day

It's more apposite, than "St Tartan's Day."

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 18:41:51
Tartan Day is fine within the confines of a Scotland Week. We wear tartan but not 24/7.

Let's get real.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 18:50:15
The equivalent of reciprocal marketing between Scotland and the States would be the Western.

Let me see how the stereotypes have stood the test of time. Johnny Reb, danged Injuns, whiskey and baccy for breakfast, shoot on sight (and take 9 shots out of a 6 shooter in one go to kill the varmit).

Well, Americans? Do you blush at that?
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Reekin' Lum,

08/03/2008 18:54:53
Excellent decision by A.S. Tartan Week was confusing to many here in NY; some thought the parade was an adjunct of the previous month's St Patrick's Day Parade. It just wasn't clear enough to the masses that this was a SCOTTISH event. Very well done- doesn't mean we can't wear the kilt , though.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 19:00:16
re 148. I think I've just lost my own argument. Tartan & shortbread is only derided in Scotland. The American version has been upgraded to hard hitting bruality.

Maybe I haven't just lost my own argument as the American version has been upgraded. Get it?
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subrosa,

08/03/2008 19:48:19
I remember a few years ago one of the bosses of visitscotland on radio with Leslie Riddock and he was ridiculing the tartan, shortbread and Highland dancing image of Scotland. He wanted to attract the young with a modern country although he gave little description of it.

A young American student came on and told him, in no uncertain terms, that Americans wanted the tartan, shortbread and Highland dancing. They loved the whole nine yards of it and took as much home with them as possible.

As for the idea about attracting the young this American student was so eloquent when he said they don't spend money as they're usually on a small budget and the young can have a party anywhere in the world but they go where it's cheap. He asked if that's what visitscotland wanted a country that gains a reputation for being the world centre for partying students or a country which offers quality and culture to the middle aged market. There was no argument. We musn't be talked out of our culture and tartan, shortbread and whisky should be there to the fore. That's us, wha's like us? Naebody!
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subrosa,

08/03/2008 19:49:01
Terrible punctuation in the last post, my apologies.
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Over the Top,

08/03/2008 20:15:12
The Scots in Scotland really need to grow up and understand what is being done for them and not simply wrech things as they do so very very often.
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Over the Top,

08/03/2008 20:22:17
155

It really is clear that you and many on this site have no idea how to sell anything in other markets.

Sadly the small-minded nature of so many here shows that the Scots are so unaware of who they are and their culture other than English culyure leaves them limited indeed. Scotland certainly needs a lot of help and therapy.
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H215,

New York 08/03/2008 20:28:02
Good comments all around.

So what do people think of splitting the difference - having "Tartan Day" - April 6 - with the commemmoration and dress-up, surrounded by "Scotland Week" - with the full range of interests and activities.

PS - Let's not forget the central problem - Salmond deciding unilaterally, and with 3 weeks to go, to rename the Scottish component of an American/Canadian event. It's going to be interesting watching the media get even more confused than usual.
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Trade-wind,

USA 08/03/2008 20:35:59
#51 If my arms were much much much loooonger
I'd slap you for that one.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 20:44:25
I am not sure if I am for an independant Scotland or not but yet but I can say I think Salmond is an egomaniac who thinks he speaks for all of Scotland. He is going to go down in flames for sure because he is so blinded by his own spin machine. The event here has been called Tartan week and its very foolish to change it now to be politically correct. Salmond may very well derail the whole Independance movement with his blindness.
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Over the Top,

08/03/2008 21:01:26
One must remember that the Scottish politicians come to this event with little knowledge of the Highland Gaelic culture either in Scotland or the USA and Canada and their starting point is English Culture norms.
Unfortunately that is simply not enough.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 21:17:32
It's almost as if its the same in every country now. its Urban culture VS. rural or traditional culture. No one wants to say it but that is what it boils down to #162 "Over the Top". It's going on in this country in all over the world. Urban Suburban culture thinks that tradition is backwards. Highland culture is rural so therefore to Salmond and company its backward.
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kintoreloon,

Kintore 08/03/2008 21:19:50
Aiberdeen his mair American firms based here than onywye. It is even twinned wi Houston Texas. That is because of North Sea Oil which keeps England oot o' dept. Fa needs tartan fin we hiv big bussiness!!!
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Beth Boyle,

nY 08/03/2008 21:26:14
Texas is also full of people who have decended from Scots. It's only natural.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 21:28:39
kintoreloon have a look at this. Of the names of the 796 suburbs and neighbourhoods in Greater Houston, Texas that have been identified to date, 124 (15.6%) are based, in whole or in part, on place names that can be found in Scotland, on Scottish family names, or on Scottish words. Of course, many of the names are used in other parts of the British Isles as well but 62 (7.8%) of these appear to be exclusive to Scotland. Many of these neighbourhoods contain the name Houston itself, for example, Houston Heights or Mount Houston.
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Over the Top,

08/03/2008 21:48:34
164
Sell your Grannie would you.

The Scots are good at selling things for little or nothing especially if they don't need it themselves.
A parliament maybe 300 years ago.
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BK,

Cyberspace 08/03/2008 22:03:37
#3 bill inch, EDINBURGH
They can ban Whiskey as long as they leave Whisky alone!
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 22:08:22
I liked 'St. Andrew's Day' also, but that would probably mean a change from April 6th.

The events can still have dignity, there are plenty of Irish that don't like the American 'marketing' of St. Patricks.

I look at it as an opportunity to educate Americans, not one of Americans 'making fun' of Irish.

I just don't think that Salmond has a clear mission statement, strategy, or a plan of how to tactically implement it.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 22:09:40
Hey for those Scots who hate their own culture like Salmond and want to be more modern, maybe Tartan week should be changed to Scotowski week and we can serve up Polish sausage instead of haggis and have Polish dancing instead of highland dancing. Then we can have a huge celebration of binge drinking and go out and throw stones at firetrucks and shoot people with air guns. Now that would be modern. Maybe we can teach a course in head butting (Glaswegian Kissing). Another feature of the celebration could be how to start your own Mosque and how to sign up to get a grant for it.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/03/2008 22:11:23
170. What an extraordinary rendition
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Frazier,

Las Vegas, Nevada 08/03/2008 22:41:09
And this comes from the same man, Alex Salmond, that paid $250,000 to a advertising agency, SNP, to change the slogan of Scotland from "Scotland, the Best Small Country in the World" to "Welcome to Scotland."???
Mr. Salmond should be an American politician with his wise ideas!!
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Los Angeles,

08/03/2008 22:56:58

No, Frazier, it isn't "the same man."

Are you enjoying your stay in the replica capital of the world?

"What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas," is that city's legend. Let's hope you do too.

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Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 22:57:41
I agree Frazier, and this also is the wee man who wanted to give Aberdeen to Donald Trump with a ribbon around it.
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Los Angeles,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 23:04:26


Beth Off The Boyle, regrettably, I've read all your posts and not one makes any sense. You have a desperate way of twisting your dislike of our government into their dislike of the people of Scotland and its culture. If you think that's clever let me disabuse you: it renders your opinion worthless and you foolish.



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Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 23:08:41
Los Angeles you are talking out your rear end.
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Los Angeles,

08/03/2008 23:08:52

No, Beth, you are misleading readers again: he does NOT want to give "Aberdeen" to Donald Trump.

Aberdeen is a city and not his to give.

He is for inward investment, and as such interested in giving Trump's vast housing and golf scheme proposed for a coastal strip of Aberdeenshire (note the "shire") due consideration.

That's all he can do because it is not in his power to decide. It has gone to an open, public enquiry, as anything of that size must.

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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 08/03/2008 23:15:16
Tartan and short-bread was always a unionist portrayel of Scotland. It was designed by arch-unionist Walter Scott in order to present Scotland as a tartan museum and bereft of any political base. Despite all the attempts to portray Scotland as tartan rebels who flash their ar$es at the English Scottish nationalism has endured. This is in spite of Scott and all the Tory unionists who dressed us in Tartan and sent us to early graves in war after war.

It's time to offload this tartan unionist disease and it's no surprise to me that it's a nationalist government that's doing it!
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Los Angeles,

08/03/2008 23:24:19


Wearing the tartan was banned by our old alliance friends for almost a century.

I'll be damned if the're modern equivalent want to do a volte face and determine when we can or can't use the plaid as a banner to fly. We will decide how to capitalise on it best.

"Scotland Week" it will be, and in that week we can give our weavers and clothes designers an opportunity to show off the wares and talent.

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The Pict.,

Canada 08/03/2008 23:30:33
170 Beth. You just don't get it. Perhaps you are reading the BRITISH (ENGLISH)press too much. Alex Salmond, like all TRUE Scots, loves Scotland. What he is doing is having distorted FACTS UNDISTORTED--to be known as well as the usual whisky, shortbread, haggis, highland dancing, Scottish country dancing,Scottish music,arts Highland games (where most sports were derived from) & etc. etc. etc.

Examples: Did you know that Fleming ( discoverer of penicillan), Bell (telephone & wing flaps on jet planes), Macadam (tar), Logie Baird (television) Conan Doyle (author of Sherlock Homes). Treasure Island and Peter Pan Were also written by SCOTSMEN. ANDREW CARNEGIE and the founder of the AMERICAN Navy were both Scotsmen. There's a ton more. That's what Prime Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond is expounding. Why because we're tired of having Scottish achievments stolen by other nations particularly Britain (England.)
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 08/03/2008 23:45:02
Sorry, clann tartans were invented by the victorians. Plaids had a pattern according to the design which came from the machines and those machines served entire regions. The latter clann tartans were about emasculating Scottish culture. The lowlands had no history of wearing plaid but were made to believe in this new myth by Walter Scott. He tartanised us and he was a Tory Unionist. This romanticised view of Scotland was invented to neuter Scotland's own antipathy towards union. The Clanns were a brave anachronism and Scotland was a thing of the past. This is why breavehartism was always a unionist dogma.

Thank the lordy that Salmond has ditched this claptrap!
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Beth Boyle,

NY 08/03/2008 23:50:26
Pict you are full of sheep dung. Salmond does not speak for all Scots, I have many friends in Scotland and they are dismayed with his idiotic ideas about what Scotland needs to be. He is all into this poliitcally correct spin and sometimes I would swear he is an American yuppie. I know all that stuff about inverntors but guess what that is 19th Century too now isn't it? Ever read books, Pict? Try reading How the Scots Invented the Modern World by Arthur Herman or Billy Kay's other great book on the Scottish Desporia. I just reviewed it on my blog as a matter of fact. It's about to come out in an American edition in paper back and you can buy on in August. It's called the Scottish World. My point has always been without the history, the languauge and the land modern Scotland would not exist so why all this self hatred and condemnation of traditional Scottish Culture?
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Dáithí,

San Jose 08/03/2008 23:56:57
#151 - Dave

>"Scotlands gift to the world (for which are reminded for) is bl00dt tartan, shortfekenbread and bagfekinpipes??

No, no more than drinking and leprechauns are Ireland's gift to the world.

But when you see a kilt and hear bagpipes, you think of Scots and when you see a leprechaun you think of Ireland.

These images get attention - then once you have their attention you can educate them on inventors, writers and medical advances.

The opportunity is what you make of it!
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Beth Boyle,

09/03/2008 00:00:39
Alex Young actually the modern system assigning a tartan to each family was brought to Scotland by a pair of Polish brothers in the Victorian era. The Boyle family in Scotland has always refused to take on a tartan as they are not a highland clan. It's no different here in the USA, the real cowboys were nothing like the way Hollywood would have you think. Most real cowboys were black by the way. Most history is far more complex and less romantic than the pop culture fairy tales people get sucked in by.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 09/03/2008 01:15:36
Tartan Day Twee at is best is right here on the Scotsman. Read the piece, Super Bowl sporran for star!
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Randall,

A USA Scottish ancestor 09/03/2008 01:16:20
To Jacobite, Invergordon and to all who will listen intensely!
Yes! I think we need to have a Highland Clearances Day for all the wrong doings towards the people of the highlands. Maybe Oprah with all her money and friends and all her power for the oppressed will do something for a real minority of the world….. The Scottish People.
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George Alexander Campbell,

New York City 09/03/2008 01:32:32
New York Caledonian Club
National Tartan Day Pre-Parade Ceilidh

Time:
7:00 p.m., to the wee hours!

Location:
Abigail Adams Auditorium
417 East 61st Street
between 1st Ave. & York Ave. (See Map)

Details:
In keeping with the tradition, the New York Caledonian Club will again host the famous Tartan Week Pre Parade Ceilidh.
A real Hoolie, it's right up yer kilt.
Featuring again the infamous

Madra Confach Ceilidh Band and

The Islanders Scottish Gaelic Singers

The New York Scottish Pipes and Drums

Maeve Gillies, Gold medal Clarsach player, who has won first prize in all six harp categories at the Scottish National Mod Competition.

John Grimaldi, The Kilted Juggler

Steve O’ Connor, Singer/Songwriter from Liverpool Not to be missed!
The Liverpool native penned the single "Hail Caledonia" as a tribute to Scotland, a land which holds special memories for him. It was in Scotland that his natural gift for song-writing began to manifest. This ancient land steeped in a music legacy all its own provided the needed inspiration; both visual and spiritual. It was here that Steve taught himself to play guitar and subsequently write his own music and lyrics.

Refreshments and Scottish Food and aye, even mair Haggis!!!
As always, a sell oot!
A portion of the proceeds of the Ceilidh will go to charity.
This is an all ages event.
Entree:
Admission: $20.00
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Beth Boyle,

NY 09/03/2008 01:34:55
Bravo Mr.Campbell, and a good time will be had by all.
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The Pict.,

Canada 09/03/2008 03:57:06
Beth Boyle. Thank you for your remarks. I HAVE the Herman book. There is NO self hatred of Scottish culture or condemnation. As to myself I play the bagpipes, recite Rabbie Burnes (correct spelling)'To a Haggis' at Burns (ENGLISH way of spelling BURNES) Suppers and am an SNP supporter. I have also donated money to the SNP. When back HOME in Scotland I always eat Scottish faire. I traced my family back to the 13th century.
As I said Prime Minister Salmond is ADDING to the Scottish culture. He is the reason that the Unionists, of which you appear to be one, will deliberately mis-interpet what he is saying. In your country you call it dis-information. No doubt your friends are Unionists.
Slainte.

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john calvin,

5th Ave NYC 09/03/2008 04:25:49
I've lived in NY since 2000. From my 1st year here, as an ex pat, I took pride and participated fully in the Tartan Week events - it was the only week, any type of Scottishness was promoted in NYC, and regardless if some felt it was not quite the image Scotland should be portrayed, the fact is it was the only effort made on behalf of the old country. It was beginning to get some traction, then along comes this idiot Salmond to promote an alternative. What that alternative is I have no clear idea, but I really wonder what the 1st Eedjit is going to come up with to replace the doing away with the Scottish village in Grand Central, or what creative masterclass he will come up with to match the annual Dressed to Kilt fashion night. It would have been better to build on what has already been achieved over here. That said, I did'nt see Salmond once over here in any previous Tartan Week event, so I guess he did'nt have a clue what was going on or the efforts made by many (unpaid ex pats) to promote Scotland over here. Salmond is a clown, believe me, under hi guidance Tartan Week will be come a non event, as will SCOTLAND IF HE REMAINS IN POWER.
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George Alexander Campbell,

New York City 09/03/2008 04:30:56
Hello:
My mother is a socialist and my father was, he passed away in 1984 is a socialist and so is the people of Scotland. We call it Freedom. God bless Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader.
Slainte
George A. Campbell
PS I am a socialist too.
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The Pict.,

Canada 09/03/2008 04:32:51
John 191. The 'canny dae that' era is over. Salmond is the only one who has brought SCOTLAND to the world stage. Your labour made Scotland a joke.
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George Alexander Campbell,

New York City 09/03/2008 04:43:24
Correction;
Sorry My dear father Sandy Campbell from Buckie passed away in 1994 not 1984. My father, my mother and I say God bless Gordon Brown.
George
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George Alexander Campbell,

09/03/2008 04:46:24
Don't tell the Scots what to do do in their own country.
They rule Not you.
George Alexander Campbell
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Glw Mum in MN,

Minneapolis MN 09/03/2008 06:41:34
Thanks to Mr. John Calvin #191 for a decent comment. I'm one of many "unpaid expats" living in MN doing what we can to promote Scotland. I think it's very important to promote Modern Scotland and if you chat with the American's they are truly interested in what Scotland is really like today. However, I think it's also important not to belittle what they hold dearly. The people who are interested in tracing their ancestors and finding their castles are going to be my great grandchildren someday...although they're not going to find a family castle. Let's encourage them to make that trip "home" to find their relatives....it's all good!
When you're this far a way from home a wee taste of shortbread, a sip of whisky and a bowl (yes, a bowl) of haggis is not to be laughed at. Mr. Salmond needs to dig deep for some positive ways in which to help. Tartan Day is here, it's established. The person who said that Tartan is what instantly causes people to think of Scotland is spot on. Can't the Tartan evolve too? Why doesn't Mr. Salmond have a Modern Scotland Tartan designed...and mass market to promote Tartan Day around the world also showing Scotland to be the "cosmopolitan yet rich in history" country that it is. I do like the idea of International Tartan day! Some of you people need a wee whisky yourselves.
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Glw Mum in MN,

Mpls MN 09/03/2008 06:59:16
Tartan Day in the Twin Cities

March for Scotland from the War Memorial to the Steps of the Capitol in St. Paul at 3pm.

Join the Scottish Community in Kieran's Pub downtown Minneapolis at 6pm for dinner with Scottish additions to the menu.

Celtic Concert in the Titanic Room in Kieran's pub at 8pm featuring Rising Gael - a young band out of Madison WI.

We're also working on a Football Match that morning. We have our own Tartan Army reps here but will take more if they want to come! We may not be as big as NY Tartan Day but we have the enthusiasm!

Like I said before...Tartan Day is established and it's working. www.tartandaymn.org
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Beth Boyle,

NY 09/03/2008 11:32:22
Pict you are way off base and my friends in Scotland like me think only time will tell if the union should end. I do not feel qualified to comment on the Union with England. Independance sounds good but at what cost would it be to the everyday Scot. There is allot of self hatred in Scotland. There is here as well -and in Canada too. I am tired of hearing all this talk of diversity and the watching teaching all this new age garbage in schools while ignoring real history. Somehow the white man is trying to kill himself these days. What is this? If being modern means all tradional culture has to be shunned I am against it. Gaelic and the pipes, highland dress, shortbread, Fergusson and Burns all of it belongs and so does the kirk.
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gwennie,

North Carolina 09/03/2008 15:20:44
Aye. I love reading these blogs! Are you kidding me...the spirit and the pride of the Scots and Scotland are shown right here in the news. I love the banter - I love the need to let everyone know how strong you feel about Scotland. However, the celebration will go on...and I predict it will grow...I for one will be flying my beautiful St.Andrews flag from my deck at the beach. Carolina is filled with Scots, but they only gather at 'games festivals' in the summers. This is a great time to truly celebrate our roots. Again, happy to try to overcome the green day I have suffered for 40 years...sorry hubby. Set it aside - celebrate the week and then get on with it! or we'll knock you bloody blocks off. :)
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The Pict.,

Canada 09/03/2008 16:18:02
Beth. Where are you getting all this 'traditional culture is being shunned?' All SNP ers are the ONLY party that are making sure that ALL SCOTTISH CULTURE WILL BE PRESERVED.
Modernistic Scotland is portrayed as a bunch of drunks who do nothing else but have a bevvy by the British press. Even Prince Foolup, Queen Lizzie's Greek husband, has made that statement several times.

Alex Salmond is CORRECT. Scotland must take it's place on the world stage and bring Scotland's ideas to the world -- not Englands. The SNP were AGAINST your 'war' in Iraq. I'm sure you didn't know that. Scotland wants to be left alone to run its own affairs and that is already happening and the 'Scottish' English led parties of Conservative,Lib Dems and Labour who take their orders from London ENGLAND are going the way of the doe doe bird.

IF YOU THINK THAT ANY COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT OT GOVERN ITSELF THEN PERHAPS YOURS SHOULD BE GOVERNED BY MEXICO.

It's not just a matter of money as you seen to think. It's about PRIDE.

Alex Salmond and the SNP are the only party that cares about SCOTLAND and its people!
Slainte'
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Abel Magwitch,

Hamilton 09/03/2008 17:30:36
I respect George Alexander Campbell's socialism because it was based on a stand that working people took for human rights after enduring inhuman conditions in mines and factories. Keir Hardie and James Maxton were great men. However, what has happened to Scottish socialism since about 1950? The mines and factories have gone, while "socialism" has come to mean an anti-business mindset with wads of taxpayer's cash going to supposedly "disabled" people who are almost as numerous in the Glasgow area as the genuine unemployed. That sort of socialism has led to massive emigration of Scots in the last few decades. Plus also a loosening of Labour's stranglehold on Scottish politics!
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TexasScot,

Austin 09/03/2008 20:49:53
While I understand how there can be a tartan cringe factor, I think it is a big mistake for Scotland to turn its back on its heritage. Long ago I came to terms with the idea of a Scott-surname gentleman wearing a kilt at a Scottish event. It may not be historically accurate, but at least he's attempting to connect with his heritage even if he's off target by more than 100 miles. My hope is his enthusiasm will spill over and he will read and learn more about his true heritage. (Anyway, Sir Walter re-popularized the kilt in Victorian times, so I can justify wearing a kilt that way, too.)

Scotland should adopt a similar attitude. While Tartan Day/Week may be focused on the history and heritage of Scotland, it does bring Scotland to people's minds, more people can find it on a map, and the awareness allows people an opportunity to learn about the modern Scotland.

Tourism is a big thing in Scotland. If people didn't go to see the castles, Royal Mile, etc., there would be little more than nature's beauty to see. (Which is pretty impressive, too.) People don't travel hundreds or thousands of miles to stay in a small hotel room, eat fast food, and tour a computer chip factory. (At least non-nerds don't.) There is nothing wrong with showing off modern Scotland, but that's not what will get people's attention. In marketing, it is well understood it is important to first get people's attention - the sale can't be made if they aren't paying attention.

It troubles me that too many people around the world know plenty about the Irish, some even associate kilts and bagpipes to the Emerald Isle. St. Patrick's Day has been a huge success for years - but it focuses on heritage, not factories. Tartan Day has never reached that level of consciousness in the world and Scotland has far more to offer than Ireland - at least intellectually. Although I think the Irish are reputed to make a decent whisky but they don't spell it right.

It seems to me this turn away fr
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Brooklynite,

New York City 10/03/2008 03:13:39
Luckily, on my two visits to Scotland I found the people a lot more polite and friendly than many of the Scots here commenting on this story. It's fine to be proud of your country, but one does not need to belittle or insult another nation in order to do so. Frankly, if I had seen these postings before my first visit to Scotland, I may have changed my mind and gone elsewhere.

A wee note to # 87 Ard Righ,The Rock Of Edinburgh:

I am not of English ancestry, but I find it amusing to note that you are communicating your vile using the Roman alphabet and in the English language - which itself is derived at about 40% Latin (via the Normans) and 40% Germanic (via the Saxons and the Danes) with the other 20% assorted. Very rich indeed! Seems odd for you to be telling the English that their accent in their own language is somehow not right. It is hard to figure out (or should I say "oot") your point!

PS Did not the Celts also originally come from the Continent and not Scotland or Ireland?
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The Pict.,

10/03/2008 03:34:05
you are right 204 We came from near Spain.
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circa53,

Bloomfield Hills, Mich. U.S.A. 10/03/2008 05:05:34
We've been in business for 159 years...highlandgames.com......
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Scottie,

South Africa 10/03/2008 09:44:44
#47, how about mentioning the Princess Royal instead of Liz's grandchildren?
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Scottie,

South Africa 10/03/2008 09:48:25
51# And before the relatively small German linkage to the current Royals they were Danes and Normans and goodness knows what all - what's your point with the German??

1066 and all that - neither of them were English or Scottish ...
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Over the Top,

10/03/2008 11:46:22
The Scots have an English Heritage and are exceptionally proud of it as well; they have no need for any other.
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Over the Top,

10/03/2008 11:56:45
You must not believe that the Scots want to be different from the English for all they want is a different name and that sometimes is far too much for lots of Scottish people in Scotland.

Do not be fooled into thinking any deeper thoughts.
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himthatknows,

USA 10/03/2008 12:41:23
If not for Americans, Canadians, and others of Scottish heritage living outside of Scotland, Scottish Heritage and Traditions would be lost. Why do so many Scots run from the very things that endear them to the rest of the world. Embrace your culture as many of us around the world do.

And for # 210, saying "The Scots have an English Heritage" is simply moronic. The may have an English HISTORY! but heritage? Please...
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Nìall,

Edinburgh 10/03/2008 15:23:11
Joanna #123
Those figures only add up to 52.4%

OK, that's missing out an awful lot of minorities, but any accurate, realistic figures should add up to somewhere in the region of 200-600%. I am Scottish, but I am of Irish, Scottish, English and Norman descent, and that "Norman" probably means a mixture of Norwegian and French. I'm sure there'd be another nationality or two in there if I looked hard enough.

Anglophonic sociology seems to be marred by this flawed notion of unity and purity -- that one person is one thing, and that a culture or language came from one place. Any survey that tries to tag a person as being of a single ethnic origin is not worth reading.
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ianboyny,

new york 22/03/2008 06:20:29
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My parents are from Johnstone and I have a big crowd of friends that show up and go to the Grand Central NY village and all the Celtic bands that play in the pubs, we have such good times and this summer there are about 12 of us going to Scotland in a large part because of NY Tartan Week . So for a very little money spent you will make up for it in tourist. You are making a big mistake and this year Tartan week will BOMB !
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Long Black Veil,

New York 02/04/2008 00:22:29
#215

Agree with you Ianboyny. I don't have one drop of Scottish ancestry but have always had an interest in the history and culture. It was the cultural events of Tartan week 2006 (particularly the film festival) that lured me to Scotland last year where I spent about 1/5 of my net salary.
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Long Black Veil,

New York 02/04/2008 00:26:16
I should add that one angle for bringing tourism to Scotland would be the "special interest" groups. Scottish history is very far-reaching and for example there could be much more data-mining of the transatlantic participation in the American Civil War. How did it impact on the Glasgow area in particular? How did Scottish shipbuilding influence the outcome of the war? The Tartan/Scotland week celebrations should not be cut, but rather redirected.
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jaywalker,

cupar 03/04/2008 22:24:00
Just to say that Riddoch Questions on Radio Scotland is disvussing this very subject on Friday 4th April 1.15-2pm BST -- and would welcome your calls on 0500 92 95 00 or emails via the website of the presenter www.lesleyriddoch.com. Guests include Eric Milligan - former Edinburgh Provost and fan of the original Tartan Week plus Linda Fabiani - Culture Minister and suppporter iof the new Scotland Week. Happy listening.

 

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