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Published Date: 25 August 2008
IT is the high-profile body that campaigns to protect and enhance the beauty of the Capital.
Now the Cockburn Association, the city's Civic Trust, has raised eyebrows after calling for a prostitution tolerance zone in Leith.

The historic group, better known more for its frequent opposition to modern development, said a tolerance zone arou
nd Salamander Street would demonstrate an "enlightened approach".

The chairman of the Leith Links Residents' Association, however, today rounded on the Cockburn Association and accused it of a "middle-class, naïve, liberal, knee-jerk reaction".

The suggestion was included in a response sent to city councillors about plans for a massive redevelopment of Leith Docks – due to be discussed next week.

Alongside concerns about the proposed layout of buildings and whether there will be enough green space, cases committee officer Yvonne Holton wrote: "The area around Salamander Street has, in the recent past, been the subject of a great deal of debate on the issue of prostitution.

"Surely there is an opportunity here for the city to revisit this issue with consideration given to the creation of a tolerance zone. This would demonstrate an enlightened approach and would address important issues before they inevitably arise."

Edinburgh operated an unofficial tolerance zone in the Coburg Street area of Leith for 20 years until 2001, when changes in the neighbourhood prompted complaints from residents.

An attempt to shift it to Salamander Street led to further protests and the scheme was abandoned.

Supporters of tolerance zones argue they offer increased safety for women and allow medical and advice services to be provided.

However, Robert Kirkwood, chairman of the Leith Links Residents' Association, said: "I think that as an act of generosity, the director of the Cockburn Association, Moira Tasker, should propose a tolerance zone outside her own house.

"The people of Leith are sick and tired of people belonging to organisations like this, who invariably live in places like Stockbridge and Morningside, proposing once again that we dump all the social problems on Leithers.

"We have almost eradicated this problem. It seems this organisation hasn't looked at the history and the battle the community has fought to liberate the streets for local women. They should stick to what they do best and not engage in matters they know nothing whatsoever about."

Last month, police said they had seen a sharp fall in the number of calls about prostitutes operating in and around Salamander Street and Leith Links. It is thought the drop is the result of an increased police presence and a crackdown on kerb crawlers.

New prostitution laws do not give councils the power to establish tolerance zones – something which was criticised by Councillor Ewan Aitken when he was city leader.

Community safety leader, Paul Edie, said he was also personally in favour of tolerance zones, but he added: "This is the law and we have to work within it, whatever its limitations. Most laws could always do with some fine tuning to improve upon them."

Jim Hunter, the council's community protection manager, said: "From a legal and enforcement perspective, (a tolerance zone] is not possible. There's also a community safety partnership approach we have adopted to encourage routes out of prostitution."

The News tried to contact the Cockburn Association, but our phone calls were not returned.





The full article contains 560 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Bill MacD,

25/08/2008 12:31:13
Yeah. Much much better to take the traditional Scottish approach of publicly moralising with sanctimonious tripe that makes the problems worse (whilst privately the worst moralisers are always the ones who 'lapse' into using the prostitutes and rent boys themselves, of course). Let's not create solutions. Let's bury our heads in the and and pretend the issues don't exist, whilst spouting unrealistic rubbish condemning everyone else for not being the wonderful saintly people we ourselves invariably are. That's always so much better!
2

Helmut von Knobrott,

25/08/2008 12:45:10
#1. ha ha yes, The Cockburn Association... I could not have named it better myself!
3

elayne,

25/08/2008 12:45:30
live and let live!a tolerance zone is good idea,sex workers are people too and instead of condemning them as a blight on the leith area why dont people try and accept them as part of our city as they are accepted in amsterdam etc(regular health checks etc)
4

Lianachan,

Highlands 25/08/2008 12:46:56
What about the prostitutes? Don't worry - there'll still be prostitutes.
5

Cappo Del Monte,

25/08/2008 12:52:30
#4
I have no doubt you would rush out with cups of tea on a cold winters night when they were right outside your house throwing the used condoms and needles in your garden.
For sure give them a privet patch, somewhere where there are no houses and they can shoot up without worry, plenty of islands in the Forth
6

Wingman,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 12:52:53
A knee jerk reaction !! tolerance zone. wasn't going to let these comments pass !!!
7

Cappo Del Monte,

25/08/2008 12:53:05
#6
You have to have more than 1 brain cell before you can think, kind of rules you out
8

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 25/08/2008 12:56:57
The New Town would seem an ideal compromise!
9

Anton Marionette,

25/08/2008 13:01:05
#6
Be practical for once. If you send all the undesirables down to Leith the drug dealers in Sighthill will go out of business.
10

Ritzio,

25/08/2008 13:13:40
#7 I had no idea prozzies were so keen on hedges.....

But seriously, while I understand your concerns, I do worry that moving vulnerable women further and further into the outskirts is not helpful.

Prostitution will go on regardless, just with less safety for the girls. And yes, even with legalised or decriminalised soliciting, there will always be prositutes whose lives are so chaotic, or do not fit the brothel/sauna scene aesthetically and therefore will work the streets. Have a wee bit of compassion - it's often a pretty gruesome road that's led them to dropping their knickers for less than the price of a night out at the cinema and a kebab...
11

Palermo,

25/08/2008 13:20:24
#13 beat me to it

I was wondering if that meant a hedge fund manager was some new fangled euphemism for a p i m p
12

Dee Bauchery,

25/08/2008 13:26:19
#14 ...or my bush!
13

eric,

25/08/2008 13:27:17
Give them a pay rise!
14

Kay Y. Jelly,

25/08/2008 13:35:48
7.
Weren't you the one making homophobic remarks about the good folk of Calton Hill last week?
Now you're down on women who are forced to make a living from people who pay for sex.
Do have any pleasures in life apart from moaning?
15

Palermo,

25/08/2008 13:47:59
21 - "down on them"

appropriate turn of phrase
16

elayne,

25/08/2008 13:57:51
#7 i see your point,(believe me im no lover of drug addicts!)better still these people should be able to conduct business indoors then the mess and needles etc would be reduced,i know id be furious if i found anything like that in my garden/close etc.we have a significant drug problem here in fife too
17

Boy Wonder,

25/08/2008 14:06:45
Shift the Tolerance Zone to Granton. That's where they all live anyway!!!
18

G&t4me,

At sea 25/08/2008 14:21:13
Never mind the hoors what aboot the comic singers ???
19

20something,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 14:23:22
Isn't there a derelict warehouse down that way to turn into a brothel? If anyone really cares about the safety of these girls surely that is the best option?
20

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

25/08/2008 14:30:21
Surely this would all be more comfortable indoors in the saunas? Still, if there really mut be a tolerance zone for alfresco commercial sex, I believe it would be appropriate to use the "Park and Ride" areas.
21

Jakey Rowling,

25/08/2008 14:32:13
A terrible plan, they're selling these girls down the river with this.
22

20something,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 14:35:53
27, that's a good start. Legalised prostitution at the Scotch Brothel! This could be a good business opportunity for someone.
23

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25/08/2008 14:46:46
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24

Tr1xx,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 15:02:56
The girls will be able to commute up from Leith to anywhere quite freely once the trams are in service. hmmm, the trams might even open up a whole new source of businesss come to think of it. Nah, forget it. . . most of their business is based around that big fancy building at Victoria Dock
25

Cappo Del Monte,

25/08/2008 15:46:10
maybe I should get a privet inglish teacher, there again maybe not as they all seem 2 be in here.
#21
The fact that i said there were de.viants up there at night scaring normal people away from there in the dusk hours does not make me homophobic coco. It states that these people should not be allowed to do that and the police should do what they are paid for and arrest them.
As for the street walkers, I doubt you would be on here if you found needles and used condoms in your garden and had your kids scared to walk the streets.
As for the ones who you say are forced, most are drug users so they force themselves
26

Cappo Del Monte,

25/08/2008 15:48:10
#23
By all means stick them in an area with no housing.
Granton forshore is ideal its all industrial units down there
27

Think Tank,

25/08/2008 16:26:58

Ah the good old Cockburn Association.

"Out of touch with Edinburgh for over a hundred years"
28

alex patersons English teacher,

25/08/2008 16:27:54
34
i am just what your looking for.

i have found needles once but never used condoms in my garden.
I use them in the bedroom in the privetcy of my own home.
29

archie12,

25/08/2008 17:17:43
Some people treat street prostitution like some kind of nudge-nudge business, like a Moll Flanders existence as if there was a kind of seaside postcard naughtiness about it.
This is a seedy criminal business where pimps and pushers, mostly men but not exclusively, push these women into selling themselves so that the habit and the dependence can continue.
Teenage runaways from other parts of Scotland to escape abuse, minibus load of women from Glasgow under the control of a gang and almost unbelievably a father who used to make his daughter work the streets of Leith. This is the type of lowlife scum that is involved in abusing women to this degree for another hit. Get real.
30

bcnhen,

bcn 25/08/2008 18:19:47
I used to live next to a red-light district. I used to walk through it to get home late at night. Actually I used to walk the long way round to walk through it to go home, as it was the safest way home for a single woman; Men out looking for sex were there to pay someone for it, not to rape/attack me. And the police presence was made it a safe area for a woman to walk by herself.
However I understand why you wouldn't want needles and used condoms thrown in your garden. Perhaps the answer is legalisation; with health checks and drug screening, the whole game (pun intentional) would be a lot safer for everyone.
#7 did you by chance mean privy, I actually run a language school, perhaps you would like to sign up for one of our English courses. And perhaps you should have actually read #4's comment; he said 'like Amsterdam', where health checks and careful policing ensures that there are no needles and used condoms being chucked in people's gardens
31

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 18:29:32
Did anyone hear the one about the prostitute who had just had a hysterectomy (can't spell it), she thought it only fair to tell the first punter on her return to the streets, So the guy asks how much? "£25 but I must say I no longer have a womb" the guy says "thats all wight, we can do it in the stweet"
32

Alice in Embraland,

25/08/2008 19:08:53
Has anyone ever seen an Administrator give a reason for removing a comment?
33

James (1),

25/08/2008 21:51:50
#39 the answer is not legislation as Amstedam has still got problems with pimps and drugs.
The people who put forward the legalise it and all will be well don't actually know what they are talking about. The put this forward as a trial & error type experiment.
If we stopped treating prostitutes as victims and treated them as criminals who are breaking the law then we might get rid of it. However there are too many tree huggers who want these women to be allowed to continue.
34

Think Tank,

25/08/2008 22:06:16
#42
Indeed, I expect Buttress or their ilk will be responsible for "cleaning" the site of any criticism of the beloved Cockburn Association.

35

Julian.,

edinburgh 25/08/2008 22:57:07
James(1),

You got a chip on your shoulder? What exactly have you got against these people...apart from your previous statements about them not paying tax. Ironically, something which is as a result of people like you wanting it to be illegal. If it was all legitimate and above board they'd be paying tax like the rest of us.
36

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

25/08/2008 23:11:55
in answer to the headline question - we love them too (some more than others admittedly)
37

Teofilio Cubillas,

26/08/2008 02:10:38
#39

Gie the spelling police bit a rest - it's the last refuge of those with nothing to say.

The reason that they don't throw their condoms and needles in people's gardens is because there aren't any gardens in central Amsterdam. And anyway, what is so great about the place? Full of boring, mumbling old hippies, scummy dealers and wasted junkies, hard core porn in shop windows at an 8-year-old child's eye level and bored looking somalian prostitutes. Dismal.
38

1745,

Edinburgh 26/08/2008 07:37:41
We shoul introduce proper protection for these girls in the shape of licensed brothels this would ensure their safety and also that of the public,while removing any nuisance value to residents.
39

10inchsoft,

03/11/2008 15:43:54
@49 what about the ugly ones no one would employ them they make deliverance look like a disney movie
40

The Ayrshire Bard,

11/03/2009 12:49:17
I wonder how many of these girls are also collecting benefits every week. My money is with the residents of which ever area they congregate as the girls are invariably junkies who are selling their bodies to pay for their next fix. Their pimps are making fortunes out of them and should be locked up for many years. This is modern slave trading and there is nothing glamorous or humorous about the situation. How sad must a man be to need the services of a prostitute in this day and age?

 

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