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Trams roll out £12.5m to clean up city streets



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Published Date: 06 May 2008
A MULTI-MILLION-POUND package of improvements is to be carried out on the streets around Edinburgh's new tram stops.
The £508 million tram scheme is expected to help regenerate a number of areas around the 22 stops and council chiefs are keen to ensure roads and pavements along the line are up to scratch.

Among the improvements being considered under the £12.5m
scheme are new public performance areas, trees, benches, signs, paths and pedestrian crossings.

Officials have warned that serious thought needs to go into redesigning the streets, saying Princes Street will "become worse than it is" for street clutter unless improvements are put in place for when the trams open.

The recent revamp of St Andrew Square Garden is seen by council chiefs as a good example of the success of renewing public spaces along the route between the airport and Newhaven. Officials have identified £2m worth of work along Leith Walk as the top priority, while a further £3m of improvements are needed for the West End to ensure it retains its traditional role as a city meeting place and shopping area.

The improvements are separate from the main tram budget and only around 20 per cent of the money has been found so far. It is envisaged that further developer contributions and bids to the Scottish Government and Scottish Enterprise will help pay for the improvements. Traders and politicians said the investment was needed and presented a one-off opportunity to improve the city's streets.

Michael Apter, chairman of the West End Association, said: "It is great that the council are looking beyond just the tram line and its stops because the construction project really is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to improve the way the city is presented.

"If you take Coates and Atholl crescents for example, you have the opportunity to replicate the success of St Andrew Square garden – there are lots of ideas out there and £12m sounds like it will only be the start of it."

Dave Anderson, the council's director of city development, said there was a need to extend the basic tramway design to consider how it would interact with the surrounding roads and pavements. He added: "Using the tram as a catalyst for the early components of a wider and longer-term programme of urban public realm improvement is practical and effective."

Last year the city's design champion, Sir Terry Farrell, claimed the tram scheme will do "more harm than good" unless it is made more aesthetically pleasing. Mark McInnes, the city's Tory transport spokesman, said: "There are already significant problems in Edinburgh with street clutter and public realm and the tram project is an opportunity to address this. It is something the council should be thinking about anyway but the areas round the tram stops will open up and become more important once the line is in."







The full article contains 491 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Dragonlord,

06/05/2008 11:09:47
So is this part of the tram budget, or are council tax payers being stung again.
2

capy,

edinburgh 06/05/2008 12:07:45
around half a million a stop good to see our finances are in such safe hands!
3

Andrew Kent,

EDINBURGH 06/05/2008 12:12:22
"The improvements are separate from the main tram budget and only around 20 per cent of the money has been found so far."

So basically TIE don't have the money to clean up the mess they are making at the moment then?
4

Bob 2,

06/05/2008 12:13:42
and the Edinburgh Taxpayer Money wasn't going to be contributing towards the Tram project.

Sounds like funding by the back door...bit of the old London Olympics comes to mind!

but only 20% has been found, amazing what you can find in your top drawer......£2.5m.....better go and check my top drawer....
5

Bob 2,

06/05/2008 12:14:00
no3 correct
6

Rv2!,

In a pothole on Leith Walk. 06/05/2008 12:19:36
Disgusting. They are making a lot of mess of the place at the moment and they are now stating that as there will be a mess, we are expected to find the money to clean it up.

Another £5M at the moment. Is someone personally keeping a total of these as they arrive? I'm sure the additional "requirements" will add up to a huge amount by the end of the tram works, around 2015...
7

Disgrunted Ebardonian,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 12:22:08
NOW THERE IS A SUGGESTION FOR YOUR OVERCROWDED PRISONS CHAINGANGS TO DO ALL YOUR DIRTY WORK FOR YOU SWEEP THE STREETS AND SMILE AT THE NICE NEW TOURISTS, iM SURE THAT IT WOULD BE A LUCRITIVE JOB FOR SOMEBODY AND THE GENTLEMEN WHO ARE DOING THIS HARD LABOUR WOULD APPRICIATE A DAY AWAY.
8

Bertie The Bat,

06/05/2008 12:29:19
Let the train take the strain.
9

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06/05/2008 12:39:26
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Saoghal Beag,

06/05/2008 12:41:28
how much perfect streets would £600M buy?
11

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06/05/2008 12:51:12
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paulr,

edinburgh 06/05/2008 12:53:08
Scrap the trams, put the money to better use.
13

Hector the Red,

06/05/2008 12:53:17
So let me get this straight.....the feasability studies that were done for the trams never took the trams impact on it's surroundings into account. "Dave Anderson, the council's director of city development, said there was a need to extend the basic tramway design to consider how it would interact with the surrounding roads and pavements", nice job........how much were the consultants paid for this?
14

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 12:56:17
So in other words, they are going to carry out long-overdue repairs and enhancments.

Why bother with the trams? Just do the other work and return Edinburgh to the pre-Lazarowicz/Begg days.
15

Goat Boy,

06/05/2008 13:05:28
I find myself having to agree with scallywag with this one, but there's a wee voice at the back of my mind warning me about sweets from strangers and what they might ask in return.

I also agree Disgrunted Ebardonian – controversial comment, but a great idea.

16

Yonthing!,

06/05/2008 13:25:22
I fear this is best summed up by quoting from Queen:

I'm going slightly mad
I'm going slightly mad
It finally happened
It finally happened - oh yes
It finally happened
I'm slightly mad
Just very slightly mad
17

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/05/2008 13:42:58
19 The Queen never said that.

Hopefully this new work will also include Meat Pie Interactive guides near the tram stops. Or even Meat Pie dispensers.
18

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06/05/2008 13:52:39
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06/05/2008 13:57:13
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Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 13:57:21
Another wee TIE press release gratefully re-spun by Mr Picken! But surely this 'programme of urban public realm improvement' (cleaning up the shambles Holmes left behind him) was all part of the Grand TramCar Vision, (it certainly appears in the Cartoon Version) and will have been budgeted for in the Master Plan subsequently voted through by the loonies in the Holyrood Asylum?? Maybe if TIE's contractors were properly supervised, some of their disgraceful work wouldn't need put right at further, public expense.
But remember Trams were Leader Anderson and Dopey Burns' Grandiose Delusion - TIE were simply invented as the Kooncil's quasi-private sector vehicle to implement their policy - this all comes back to the Kooncil. Yet more drip-feeding to soften up the Taxpayer for a massive cost overrun!!
21

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

06/05/2008 14:24:40
Ooh, are there going to be trams? How exciting!
22

Euan,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 14:26:57
As time go by, it's becoming clearer and clearer that the construction of this tram LINE really is going to be the proverbial ball and chain round the ankles of Edinburgh for decades to come.

I just can't help but shake my head in disbelief when it appears that on almost on a daily basis, someone else on the council or TIE or whoever comes up with yet another mini project revolving around the trams that involves VAST sums of money and resources to carry out, and all this when there will almost certainly be a HUGE shortage of funds to actually get the tram LINE finished in the first place.

Not forgetting the fact that we are also seeing many local businesses facing financial ruin at the moment due to the trams, so to be constantly talking of spending £X million here and £X million there on silly little side projects is hugely disrespectful to almost all the local traders and ordinary citizens of this City.




23

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/05/2008 14:31:59
HUrrah for the trams !! Hurrah ! we're getting trams ! And I dont even have to watch the roads being dug up and put down and dug up and put down ! Hurrah !
24

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 15:05:23
Anyone ever see the 'monorail' Simpsons episode ? It's uncanny isn't it !
25

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06/05/2008 15:12:52
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Darren :-),

Edin city but on ma way to ibrox 06/05/2008 15:35:03
#27 its the reason we got them. The kids at the cooncil looked at that episode and got the idea, and not to copyright it, they went for the trams, well, tram.

27

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/05/2008 15:42:12
Has anyone ever seen the last eposide of Heroes season 2 ?

Basically Sylar escapes , and adam ( who you havent even heard of yet) is buried alive by Hero Nakamura and Peter Petrelli stops the viris.

Nothing to do with anything , just wanted to spoil it for you.
28

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06/05/2008 15:42:41
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jdships,

06/05/2008 16:04:35
7 Scallywag,
We, the citizens of Edinburgh, have been complaining for years about the state of the City streets and very little happened
Along comes a "tourist attraction" in the form of a tramway system and all of a sudden funds are being directed at selected areas.
You say " The grassed areas in a shabby state that other world class cities would never allow."
Wow ! You have certainly got your priorities right !!!!!!!!
What about tourists I meet who call Edinburgh "The Holey City" ?

We have been shortchanged road repair wise by succesive administrations for twenty years
There has been a metal cover over a pothole in Wardie Road which I pass every day .
It has been in place for over TWO YEARS and your complaing about "shabby grass " !!
This despite four phone calls , four emails and six letters to the appropriate department/councillor.
I am sure there are hundreds of other EN readers who can relate similar problems.
30

Saoghal Beag,

06/05/2008 16:08:18
jdships, and in face of all that girning the defy you even further and blow the roads budget on trams, well no just the roads budget. Imagine you will soon have to load your wheelie bins into the back of your cars and take them to the tip yourself once the cut back on teh skaffies.
31

filthy,

06/05/2008 16:12:24
Another bit of timely news leaked by tie's media company to try and sweeten the Edinburgh public.

PS. not working
32

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06/05/2008 16:12:57
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/05/2008 16:17:12
Ten Skaffies present the local news in the Borders Region ?

I think its best to quote Duran Duran . Ots what they would have wanted.

In touch with the ground
I'm on the hunt I'm after you
Smell like I sound, I'm lost in a crowd
And I'm hungry like the wolf


34

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/05/2008 16:19:18
32. We the other people of Edinburgh are quite happy thank you very much and can do without the Mussoliniesque speeches thankyou very much. Away and lie in your shabby grass.
35

jdships,

06/05/2008 16:21:51
33 Saoghal Beag,
Ach well if that's what you reckon is goin' to happen will just hae to go oot and buy a 4X4 to move the wheelie bins.
Ah michty me mair money doon the drain !! ( no pun intended)

34 filthy,
Reads that way !!
36

jdships,

06/05/2008 16:29:26
37 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

Still up front with the rudeness I see - sadly nothing changes with you.
You say you "are quite happy thank you very much "
Happy with what ?
Certainly not the condition of the roads surely ?
That is what I was commenting on nothing more nothing less . Just a case of asking the Administration to get their priorities right.
37

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/05/2008 16:30:30
39 I will not tell you again. Be Quiet.
38

jdships,

06/05/2008 16:36:18
40 The Genuine Mario Antoinette

Still don't understnd democracy or how to conduct yourself on a forum - do you ?.
Freedom of speech and all that nonsense doesn't mean a thing to you
Sad.
39

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/05/2008 16:37:13
shippy , i refer you to point 20. I also assume that you have never decorated a room in your house and realised that you had to move the furniture out and prepare the walls first.
40

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

06/05/2008 16:37:56
41. And you take me a tad too seriously my friend.
41

jdships,

06/05/2008 16:55:54
43 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

If you say so and apology accepted .
42

Dragonlord,

06/05/2008 17:39:50
45# Ho Ho Ho, The point is, it is Satirical. Pertaining to satire. Meaning it echo's real life and the tram LINE is simply, the real life waste of money that the satirical cartoon was poking fun at.
43

rs,

in ma house 06/05/2008 18:04:36
15
Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

totally agree with your first paragraph.

18
World class concrete

re replacement TRAMs.....Surely TIE have costed depreciation into the £1.30 fare that will be charged.

Lothian Buses, have done it for years, charge fares and reinvest in new buses.

Oops.Could this be another....
..... "we forgot about depreciation"

what next, they forgot to cost in the cost of electricity!!!
44

GGTTH#1,

06/05/2008 18:56:01
#45 perhaps you can explain where afore mentioned radioactive rod disappears to when Homer throws it out his car window?
45

jdships,

06/05/2008 19:22:33
45 Scallywag,

See where you are coming from in your first paraand understand your reasoning .
My point is the fact that it is taking a tram system , like it or hate it, to build up some impetus in the road works department seems a bit strange.
Then again Edinburgh Council never has hidden the fact that they just don't like motorists !!!
46

rs,

in ma house 06/05/2008 20:02:43
NO45

What Homer simpson's not real, what next there isn't a Father Christmas.

Scallywag....it make be a cartoon, but many of the story's have a bit of real life built into them.

The tram construction timetable on the other hand is pure fiction.

Princes Street is a prime example, to keep to there timetable it will be closed for 6 months,

Otherwise it would have to be closed for 18 months, which based on TIEs original calculations, would have meant the TRAM line being 1 year behind schedule.

47

Axl,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 21:11:56
From what I can see, there shouldn't even be any of this ridiculous regeneration talk of areas around the stops for the proposed tram LINE.

If they are serious about getting this absurd project completed anywhere NEAR it's original budget then all funds and efforts should be focused directly on exactly that.

Better still, giving the whole thing the boot right now would surely be the most sensible option...

48

Saoghal Beag,

06/05/2008 21:26:51
This is serious what happens to that classic glasgow refrain

"yif only goat wan street"

when princes street is taken over by polish labourers digging whole all over the place?
49

rs,

in ma house 06/05/2008 21:26:59
regeneration , Edinburgh's economy....

and what effect will this have:

House Prices increasing
Even Less Locals being able to afford Local Houses.

With an obsession with "profit",
Look at the British Banks, who made high risk loans and are now feeling the pinch as the bubble bursts.
50

Axl,

Edinburgh 06/05/2008 21:36:04
#53

It's 'even fewer locals' being able to afford local houses.

Totally agree with the obsession with profit.

And due to this tram project, all I would say The City of Edinburgh has to look forward to in the furure is an Everest-sized mountain of debt...



51

Bertie The Bat,

07/05/2008 06:08:14
Bah! trams, who needs them?
52

SamSung,

10/05/2008 01:31:38
the whole tram thing is still goin on cause all us council tax payers dared to vote agin the congestion charge.

this after the no vote on their idea to change the whole council house ownership thang..has got our overpaid,doin very little for us,where are my expenses?numpties.......less than impressed with the voters,their employers..............which they never remember.

SO to teach us a lesson,they introduce a policy...the trams............which will totally fuk up edinburgh city centre for years(except for during the festival)
basically out of spite.........to give us a one rout tram line,that is already served perfectly well by busses.


 

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