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Tram chiefs call in engineers to probe Leith Walk damage



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Published Date: 22 March 2008
TRAM firm TIE has hired engineers to investigate claims that work for the £498 million scheme has caused structural problems in a building on Leith Walk.
The Purusha hairdressers on the section of Leith Walk between Balfour Street and the Foot of the Walk has reportedly suffered since utility diversion work started outside the salon in January.

This is said to include a crack along the floor of the salon, cracked tiles, broken windows and shop signs falling off.

Owners of the flats above the hairdressers are also understood to have contacted TIE with reports of structural problems.

And TIE today confirmed it had appointed an independent structural engineer to survey the building, with the matter now in the hands of the council-owned firm's insurers. Local businessmen and politicians today called on TIE to try to resolve the structural issue as soon as possible.

Gordon Burgess, owner of the Bed Shop opposite the building, said: "The work across the road started normally enough but there has not been much activity at all in recent weeks.

"From speaking to some of the workmen, they are saying they have been digging down and the ground which the road and building is on is just not stable. Whatever the reason, I just want them to fix it as soon as possible because we are all suffering.

"This section has to be one of the worst along Leith Walk, people can't get parked and are just not stopping as they go past."

Work on the section of Leith Walk between Balfour Street and the Foot of the Walk is expected to last at least another 17 weeks.

Lothians SNP MSP Shirley-Anne Somerville said she has requested a meeting with TIE to discuss the structural issues and wider problems on Leith Walk.

She said: "Leith Walk is littered with large holes which have been dug up sometime ago and just left.

"The longer that goes on the bigger the impact on local businesses in particular.

"I will be asking TIE to review the way the work is being timetabled.

"This project shouldn't be run for the convenience of TIE but for the people who are being directly affected by it. I recently did a survey of the concerns of small businesses in the area, and trams was the number one issue."

Work on Leith Walk began in August last year and has involved a series of lane and junction closures.

The next major milestone in Leith will be the temporary closures on Constitution Street which get under way at the end of the month.

A spokesman for TIE said: "Prior to starting any works, TIE appointed independent surveyors to carry out external dilapidation surveys on all properties along the line of the route.

"There is one building on Leith Walk which consists of a mixture of residential flats and ground floor shop for which TIE appointed an independent structural engineer to survey.

"At present TIE, through its insurers, is responding to a number of enquiries from the occupiers of this building.

"Our survey for this building is now with our insurers and we have no further comment to make."

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The full article contains 539 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 22 March 2008 12:24 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 10:49:29
Can,t make an omlette without breaking eggs.
2

sickpuppy,

embra 22/03/2008 10:52:04
cant do anything full stop
3

Dragonlord,

22/03/2008 11:33:15
Just not stable? How on earth will it stand the weight of 300 people in a tram? Scrap this now before even more money is wasted. Someone in charge somewhere, must know things are going wrong and will get worse.
4

bluehead,

edinburgh 22/03/2008 12:08:47
just as I thought,from the beginning the tram system
was a complete waste of time and money,just think what all that money could have done for the benifit of what used to be a lovely city.
it is terrible to think that this is to replace some thing that was already first class
5

Gothic Rose,

22/03/2008 12:42:44
I hope, that you will have to eat your words!
6

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 12:47:31
#3:

It's not the ground that's unstable. Take a look at the photo. They have dug right down next to the building's foundations, leaving nothing supporting them but thin air. They are lucky that the whole damn thing hasn't collapsed.
7

bazgil67,

edinburgh 22/03/2008 13:49:00
i know the man who is doing the manhole,box builder huh he could'nt build lego.

p.s he was told not to go so close to the building so it ain TIE's fault.
8

dig dig,

22/03/2008 14:37:22
#7 I have been a Bricklayer for 47 years all my working life and from looking at the small photo there seems to be nothing wrong with the manhole, Digging down so close to the building is another matter but you cant tell from the photo how far down the outside wall of the building goes down in that area some go down 10 feet or more so its hard to tell from a photo.
9

toby,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 14:52:05
A new description of a saying whci means 'we've make an a... of it....'dilapatory survey'. Yi can get pills for it!
10

Euan,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 15:24:42
I think the comments from #4 speaks for almost the entire population of Edinburgh.

It is so, so sad that this un-wanted, un-needed and completely irresponsible project was ever given the green light.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - if the price of this monstrosity doesn't hit £1 billion before completion then I will be very, very surprised..
11

tomias,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 15:40:12
One form of answere- do what the French would do under these circumstance! Yes; but no- just write e-mails and such like.And ? And let it all tumble along and when complete( if ever) complain agai and again via e-mail etc.
Children with toys and prams.
12

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 16:43:35
#10.
so you won,t be making use of it when it,s up and running then?.
13

micky,

edinburgh 22/03/2008 16:48:49
come on #12, how many people in Edinburgh do you know who will be using the trams if/when they are ever up & running ?
How many people would lose face if they scrapped it now ?
My view is it will continue to be good money after bad, sadly lots & lots of it & the lions share from Edinburgh taxpayers, most of whom never voted for it !!!!!
14

Euan,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 16:49:51
#12

No, I won't be using them.

Ever.
15

Evia,

22/03/2008 17:39:14
I'm with #12 & #13

I don't know a single person who wants the trams. There are plenty of places I can go for my shopping and I would rather walk than use the trams.
16

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 17:39:44
Taxi to the Airport =60mins+ @£25
Tram to the Airport=39mins + £3
17

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22/03/2008 17:50:16
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18

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 17:55:03
The populace of Croydon and Manchester were bleating and greeting about the cost vis the benefits of Trams whilst the work was in progress ,now they cant get enough of them.
19

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22/03/2008 17:59:09
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20

Liam,

22/03/2008 18:01:03
Structural problems, my foot. Yet more chancers trying to rip off the taxpayer. What about all the damage caused bh HGVs and general motor traffic which the general taxpayer is expected to fund? Sorry but it's time this hysteria over the trams stopped and the moaning minority got a grip.
21

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 18:03:39
It's easy taking the bus to the shops (as long as you know the timetable and the driver hasn't shot past early to keep on time time for the next route checkpoint). Then getting home just involves a taxi-fare for less than £10, with no waiting in the cold or rain.
22

Euan,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 18:33:39
Let's look at things plain and simply.

1. This tram line will only serve a very small percentage of Edinburgh's population.

2. It will actually cause an inconvenience for many of the people in Edinburgh as it will hold-up traffic and not actually go where most people wish to go.

3. For the silly costs of the tram LINE, all of Edinburgh's roads could have recieved the proper investment they desperately deserve. More park and rides could have been built around the City and clean-fuelled buses and taxis could have been introduced all over the City to improve air quality(an SNP plan before they were forced into a corner with the trams)

4. It is not as 'green' as TIE and all the other tram supporters might have us believe. They may not emit fumes as they trundle along, but the trams exhaust pipe will be at Cockenzie - a coal-fired power station. How much extra coal will have to be transported to this facility per annum just to power the trams? This is not forgetting the enormous expendeture of energy in the building process.

5. The project is already showing signs of running massively over-budget.

6. Businesses along the proposed route are losing money hand over fist - and they're seemingly being ignored by the TIE and the Council who, it would appear, still do not have any proper plans in place on how they will be compensated for loss of trade.

In other words, this whole project is a unnecessary, badly-managed, money-gulping, tourist-attracting experiment which local residents are just expected to put up with and have no say in the matter whatsoever.

A very sad state of affairs..


23

Darren :-),

Edin city but on ma way to ibrox 22/03/2008 19:03:10
#16 "Taxi to the Airport =60mins+ @£25
Tram to the Airport=39mins + £3"

#35 to airport = 50 mins £1
24

Darren :-),

Edin city but on ma way to ibrox 22/03/2008 19:04:30
#22 - (an SNP plan before they were forced into a corner with the trams)

SNP could easily have said okay, lets stop now before we begin to dig - they hadnt started roadworks by then..... but they didnt - but had the choice
25

bazgil67,

edinburgh 22/03/2008 19:25:45
#8 he was told,he dug down about 10 feet put sheet piles in(supports)apart from where the services where.but then your ment to put good timbers behind where you cant get the sheet piles in but it did'nt happen so the ground kept getting washed through the gaps.plus he burst the waste pipe that takes the showers.e.t.c it was not fixed so the water just kept eating away at the banking.

p.s i could see the foundation stone it was sitting on nothing, very scary
26

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 19:51:12
#22 Euan,
Cockenzie is in the process of being de-commisioned, yer erse is oot the windea pal.
27

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 19:55:55
#25 bazgil67.
I see what you are saying but without a site visit( My hourly rate is £97.58 +vat)in would be difficult to determine this without any uncertianty.
28

Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),

22/03/2008 19:58:53
Suffice to say your talent is wasted Sir,but thats a Jock thing we under estimate our selves
29

jdships,

22/03/2008 21:12:11
12 Big Willie Winkie (Wee was already taken),
"so you won,t be making use of it when it,s up and running then?."

No I won't as will 90% + of the cotizens of Edinburgh.
five buses are available to me from the end of my street
They take me to E and W end of Princes St,the Mound , Leith , The Bridges , Portobello which completely cover my needs
The nearest tram will be nearly two miles away at least

16
"Taxi to the Airport =60mins+ @£25
Tram to the Airport=39mins + £3 "

You forgot to mention
Present "Bus to the Airport £5"
Your estimate on the number of Edinburgh Citizens who will use the tram service to/from Airport on a DAILY BASIS is ?
30

GRC1959,

22/03/2008 22:32:22
#26 Cockenzie is in the process of being re-developed as a 'green' power station, according to articles last year in Scotsman and Evening News....

31

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 22:36:47
As Thomas reported some months ago, the decent public utility contractors, with a reputation to think of, are running a mile from this shambles - you only have to look at the state of the works on Leith Walk, the dreadful traffic management and the paralytic lack of progress to see that TIE are being forced to bring in a rabble of cowboys and bogus workmen. And Willie Gallagher, Chief Charlatan, has the impertinence to be hassling the Council to sign up for the Roseburn Extension - you really could not make this up!
32

Dr Egg,

The Morgue 22/03/2008 23:27:02
The Cooncil is not competent to commission, to contract or to supervise any such complex public works. Lovely mess so far. Too much money spent all at once. Anyone else think that perhaps tram money is being used for the sudden preponderance of non-tram related roadworks? Hmmm...
33

Sas,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 23:29:39
Whilst I'm broadly in support of the tram project, I accept we won't know, until it's up and running, how successful it is. However, I wonder how all the scheme's detractors that post on this site have the brass neck to claim to know that (a) everybody in Edinburgh is against the trams (b) the project will run way over budget and (c) trams will be a disaster. Do they all have the second sight and can they tell me what next week's winning lottery numbers will be?
34

Ronnie Fae London hfc,

22/03/2008 23:30:08
WHY DIG HOLES ALL THE WAY UP THE WALK AT THE SAME TIME WHY NOT DO IN SECTIONS AS YOU MOVE UP THE WALK THEN YOU COULD BACKFILL AND MOVE ON BUT ITS A CASE LETS MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ITS COST EFFECTIVE [ NOT] LETS ALL STOP PAYING THE COUNCIL TAX TILL THEY LISTEN TO US WHAT WE WANT FOR A CHANGE AND NO BROWN ENVELOPE TO SAY OTHERWISE
35

Sas,

Edinburgh 22/03/2008 23:37:32
#29 "You forgot to mention
Present "Bus to the Airport £5"
Your estimate on the number of Edinburgh Citizens who will use the tram service to/from Airport on a DAILY BASIS is ?"

What on earth is the relevance of this comment? I might as well ask how many Edinburgh citizens use the airport bus on a daily basis. I never use it so, by your logic, I suppose it should be withdrawn immediately!
36

bazgil67,

edinburgh 23/03/2008 00:01:39
#27 the certainty is that i worked on that hole with him and another 4 men we all walked off the job because we knew it was a botch up.we got a site visit alright,who's who of the engineering world was down there thats why all us guys walked off and refused to work with the guy,but still he worked on.he is actually holding up the process,loads of jobs stuck cause they cant move to next phase cause of him, but i aint giving his name lets just say he is irish
37

Julian,

EDINBURGH 23/03/2008 00:05:18
Euan,

Prepare to be very surprised. I'll bet you £100 it goes nowhere near £1bn.

You forgot another point:-

7. Nothing Euan or anyone else says about the trams will make one whit of difference.

He and many others would be better employed trying to put a halt to line 3, something which they have no chance of doing unless the current line does reach £1bn and/or the trams run half empty (neither of which is very likely)
38

bazgil67,

edinburgh 23/03/2008 00:11:03
#34 ronnie
its not the case of diggin in sections,they are digging in sections its the process of doing your bit and waiting for the next squad coming behind you,they do the backfilling then the next squad do the slabs but that can take weeks.
39

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 23/03/2008 09:11:14
#37 4 or 5 regular greeting face anti tram regulars ARE NOT going to stop the trams. The battle has been lost, the trams were given full backing by the elected members of this city.
Why not just accept it and hope the trams are a success ?
Oh no, the greeting and moaning will go on and on and on and on.......
40

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 10:39:16
#36, yep, you're on the right track. Anybody with experience of the roadworks industry (not just mondeo, white van or taxi man) can see plainer than a 48 sheet billboard that the whole thing is out of control. (As was forecast) The infrastructure/civils are a shambles, 'traffic management' is inadequate to the point of criminality and there's precious little sign of any coherent project management. Suspect there are a few bottoms twitching in TIE's upper echelons, and probably some bags already packed!
41

me150,

23/03/2008 11:02:27
Stop greetin aboot it ya bunch o' eejits.

Its here so live with it
42

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 14:29:23
#41.It's not here. Some good money has been wasted but it can stop now with a few more penalties. Someone has just got to take accountability and stop this. It is a small (but vocal minority) that want them.
43

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 23/03/2008 15:37:03
#42. GrahamH. You're an idiot. How do you propose people in Edinburgh get around without oil for buses and cars in the coming decades? OIl supplies are shrinking fast and are not secure - the vast majority of remaining supply being under the Middle East. The death toll to secure our existing oil supplies is horrendous! Take the blinkers off!

Don't claim to speak for the majority. You do not have that mandate and can only speak on your own behalf!
44

Darren :-),

Edin city but on ma way to ibrox 23/03/2008 17:07:01
#43 - LPG is gas. Then there is hydrogen fuel cells, electric buses, etc...

How do you think it will be powered? oh yes, electric! But, that means that say 12 miles of tram LINE is going to be powered by electric, (not light either) so will take alot of energy spitting out alot of carbon crap.

I assume you dont mind them spending £1bn+ on this white elephant?

How come, none of the members of Edinburgh, not 1 resident got a vote on this? Remind me, what happened with the road congestion charging? oh yeah, they wanted it and we all said no - exactly the same would have happened with this, but they decided to go ahead without thinking about us.
45

Julian,

EDINBURGH 23/03/2008 17:30:34
#39 Road Raga, that was wxactly my point.

#42 GrahamH, This scheme will never be stopped so just get used to it. And where exactly is your evidence that it is a small minority that want it? I've never seen one survey that says this.

If you are correct (and I doubt it) then politicians of all parties are making one hell of a mistake.
46

Jenny MacArthur,

23/03/2008 18:59:21
Doncha just love the sound of whiny anti-tram moaners getting their knuckle-brained moans in at every opportunity? :-)
47

observator,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 23:31:04
Everyone should remember that it was an alliance of the Conservatives, Labour and Liberals who foisted this on the SNP government.
48

Arrow,

edinburgh 23/03/2008 23:34:09
#16 how oftern do you go to the airport? a taxi can take 4 for £25.00 plus luggage and tram would assuming the fares are as you say £12.00 and where is there a location in Edinburgh, which will be served by the tram, will it take you an hour to get to the airport by taxi? you a clearly talking a load of sh*te.
49

R Corbett,

Robert Corbett (Edinburgh) 24/03/2008 00:36:09
TIE = noose.

#46 - what's a 'knuckle brain'? Is it someone who mixes metaphors? If so, you're one of them.

Trams are pish: not a moan, but a fact
50

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 25/03/2008 22:12:45
#49 that is you OPINION, not a fact, there is a BIG BIG difference.

 

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