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The train due to arrive at Platform 1 will be on budget



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Published Date: 16 May 2008
SCOTLAND'S ambitious railway-building programme will not suffer the same major overspend as the Stirling-Alloa-Kincardine line, the transport minister vowed yesterday, as he officially opened the route.
Stewart Stevenson said tighter cost controls and governance had been introduced for the remaining £1.5 billion of projects in the wake of the debacle.

The first passenger trains for 40 years will run between Stirling and Alloa from Monday on a route that cost £85 million – more than double the original £37 million estimate.

However, the scheme's backers said even greater benefits would come from using the line to divert slow coal trains bound for Longannet power station, in Fife, off busy commuter routes across the Central Belt. This will enable trains from Edinburgh to Perth and Aberdeen to double in frequency from December.

When the route was approved by MSPs in 2004 as the first new railway under devolution, Nicol Stephen, the then transport minister, said it was expected to open at the end of the following year.

However, a series of apparently unforeseen problems and a complicated management structure led to increased costs and caused big delays.

The stabilisation of old mine workings cost some four times original expectations, the design of a level crossing was changed at a late stage, and there were difficulties with integrating the line with existing signalling. Compensation for landowners was higher than an-ticipated, while a new one-mile road to enable the closure of a level crossing added to costs.

Mr Stevenson said lessons had been learned by switching control of the scheme to the Scottish Government's Transport Scotland agency. He went on: "I am utterly determined we will manage the cost of other projects and not see the cost escalation of this line."

He said strict cost controls and governance would apply to the Glasgow Airport rail link, and the Borders and Airdrie-Bathgate lines. In addition, a new Holyrood approval process for future projects would focus much more clearly who was responsible for them.

Janet Cadenhead, the leader of Clackmannanshire Council, which originally launched the scheme, said: "The railway will breathe new life into Alloa and Clackmannanshire, encouraging businesses and jobs, while providing our citizens with convenient, safe and fast public transport to Stirling, Glasgow and Edinburgh."


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  • Last Updated: 15 May 2008 9:21 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The railways
 
1

truthsleuth,

16/05/2008 01:02:51
....the debacle.
What about those road schemes that were over budget
They were not only 'over budget' they were many millions over budget.
Lets have some more appropriate and fairer reporting on rail schemes.

I here the proposed new Forth road bridge has now been estimated at more than 3 times its original cost - debacle you don't know the meaning of the word.
2

kimba's proctologist,

16/05/2008 01:30:14
That'll be a farkin first then!
3

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 16/05/2008 03:05:14
This fiasco was as usual led and run by a group of civil servants who fouled up during the planning stages, there is no point in leading a group of arts graduates into this wide world who have no experience, to have to take the contract leading outfit away from the job once it was started indicates it was a flawed job to start with.
The biggest foul up reveals just how badly this whole sorry contract was managed, the works were nearly completed when it was discovered that the signalling design had not been laid out to integrate with the current system; then it was decided to change one level crossing from a half barrier to a full barrier, talk about planning.
4

Alec M,

Falkirk 16/05/2008 04:19:58
#3 Jeeemy - Please help us all by translating the first paragraph (above)into something approaching comprehensible standard English.

If you are a student, I do hope you are not studying Eng. Lit.
5

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 07:24:16
Forth RB is to cost 11 times the original (allowing for inflation). No (valid) explanations. What we need are forensic quantity surveyors, not arts graduates, to see to costings.
6

Ian C,

Fife 16/05/2008 07:32:09
Surely it would have made more commercial sense to open the line right through to Dunfermline (the trackbed still existing as a cycle path). At least then it would open Alloa-Kincardine up to the rest of Scotland.

Right now Fifers have to go to Edinburgh at great expense to catch to Glasgow.
7

conservative,

Fife 16/05/2008 07:58:06
2 obvious problems here. Firstly the civil servants aren't up to the job of verifying quotations and anyway they don't care - it's not their money. Second it seems any large company who can get their snout into the public purse can simply inflate their costs with no comeback.

How about a straightforward rule of meeting the price you quoted or going to court? The large construction companies are the old-style defence company 'cost plus' thieves in a new role.
8

capy,

embra 16/05/2008 07:59:58
i would like to see far more use of fixed price contracts on these major infrastructure schemes. is this not possible? any overrun in costs increases in prices,ie steel always seem to hit the tax payer.
9

Macbeth 1616,

Fife 16/05/2008 08:43:21
So if there is no knowledge of the mine working issues, should the contractors be told to still keep to budget ?

If safety attitudes change to mean that a full-size barrier is required at a level-crossing rather than the less safe half-barrier, should the contractors still have to keep to budget ?

The outcry when projects go over budget invariably seems to be aimed at unscrupulous contractors. The issue is invariably with the original budget estimate
10

megz,

glasgow 16/05/2008 09:16:37
#9 i think the outcry should go to the incompetent lab/lib administration. Given how much holyrood went over budget i wouldn't trust this lot with organising contracts to build a wendy house. It seems to be a common theme with any project started by them, over budget and late.
11

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 16/05/2008 09:20:44
40 years on prove that the Tory government cuts under the direction of Lord Beeching demonstrate what a lot of short sighted people infest that party. At a time when the current lot of Tories are ahead in the opinion polls, let us not forget lest we make another error of judgement.

Thankfully opinion polls ebb and flow, whilst oil reserves just ebb away - so remember that as well the next time any of you decide to vote either Tory or SNP.
12

D Napier,

16/05/2008 09:31:56
#6 Ian C. Valid point, but what do you prpopse to do once you get to the site of the former Dunfermline Upper station - it's now a retail park.
13

Happy Hibee,

16/05/2008 09:43:14
The common factor and the item which is missed is the involvlement of Network Rail in the project.

Their entire investment portolio is in melt-down, with cost over-runs on all major schemes and a complete inability to deliver on time.

The politicians are to blame, but the blame lies with the ongoing utilisation of Network Rail to delivery any major project.
14

Happydays,

Bristol 16/05/2008 09:45:54
#11.

Yes the Tories did employ Lord Beeching to sort out the Railways in the early 60's. If I remember correctly, Harold Wilson (Labour) as an election gimmick promised to stop it, on winning the election he reneged on that promise and allowed the Beeching Report in total to be carried out and if you care to note the dates of most of the closures they are post-1964 under a Labour Administration.

Mind you its a good job the Labour party have the Tories to blame, they, Labour, being paragons of virtue or so I'm assured.

A great deal of damage was done with little forethought but thankfully something is now being done to address the matter. I only wish the English authorities had the same view as the Scots.
15

Highland Mighty,

16/05/2008 09:48:04
Come on everybody, an SNP politician has said it will be on budget.

It must be true then as they never lie!
16

commonsense,

Off the Rails 16/05/2008 10:08:35
#12 The Alloa to Dunfermline line could possibly come from Rumblingwell and circle behind Mc Kane Park to link with the "Lower Station".
17

jdships,

16/05/2008 10:25:34
One nice thing about this project is it will serve and help far more people than the Edinburgh tram fiasco at a fraction of the cost !!

Wink wink !!
18

Who?,

16/05/2008 10:29:21
Any project instigated by the lib/lab coalition is going to be vastly over budged and run by incompetents. Many of the projects instigated by those failed politicians of the last coalition should be re-examined. There should have been several public enquiries into the decision making and motives behind some of these projects.

The biggest example are the edinburgh trams. Nobody wants them yet they are being forced upon us. The only folk who make positive noises about the trams are those people who bought over priced, badly finished, ugly looking new build flats in the granton/ leith area of the city. By 2011 edinburgh will have a 1950's transport system for the 21st centuary!
19

Andrew,

16/05/2008 10:44:12
6,12 & 16. The line DOES RUN THROUGH ALLOA to DUNFERMLINE (Town) via Clackmannan, Kincardine, Culross, Valleyfield/Toryburn and Cairneyhill - ALL OF WHICH COULD HAVE LOCAL STATIONS!!! There is need to reopen the old line via Oakley to Dunfermline Upper!
20

Andrew,

CUMBERNAULD 16/05/2008 10:46:22
19 ie There is NO need to reopen the line via Oakley!
21

Andrew,

16/05/2008 10:50:23
18! Edinburgh DOES have a 1950s transport system for the 21st century - BUSES!!
22

DMcL,

Aberdeen 16/05/2008 11:06:24
While it's great that new lines are being opened in the central belt, it's sadly wrong to talk of "Scotland's ambitious railway-building programme". Here in the North-East we have seen no such thing.

Instead, we have two major areas - Ellon, Peterhead and Fraserburgh to the north, and Cults, Culter and Banchory to the west - where disused railway beds sit quietly beside gridlocked roads. The one remaining line into Aberdeen from the North-West has an insufficient number of stations for it to be truly effective.

Aberdeen has been pushing for a Crossrail scheme for years without success, deadlines being pushed back all the time. For Aberdeenshire to have a truly viable alternative to roads then it needs to have access to reopened lines to Ellon, Peterhead and Fraserburgh to the North, and Banchory to the west. The existing line would benefit from reopened stations at Kintore, Bucksburn, Kittybrewster, Altens, Cove and Newtonhill. Now that's what I would call an ambitious railway-building programme!

Although all the above schemes have been costed by various administrations, no one at either local or national level, or of any political persuasion, seems to have the drive to push this through for our benefit. So, while it's well done to Alloa and good luck to the Waverley line, in the North East we say: Give us some of the action!
23

commonsense,

Platform 1 16/05/2008 11:07:05
#19,20
Yes,you are of course right about the line already existing.How much of it is still single track?
24

Copper,

Falkirk 16/05/2008 11:48:57
After the loss of most of the Empire the big English Construction Companies moved into Scotland

The principle of their way of working is to BRIBE your way onto a contract then everything but everything becomes an extra
I was told this with great glee by a chief estimator of a newly arrived company in the early sixties


Does the Parliament Building not confirm this !!!
25

Bob10,

16/05/2008 12:38:20
10. megz.

"Given how much holyrood went over budget i wouldn't trust this lot with organising contracts to build a wendy house."

Better brace yourself then because Wendy is going to need a new house soon!!:-)
26

Bob10,

16/05/2008 12:41:13
11.Liberal for life.

"Thankfully opinion polls ebb and flow, whilst oil reserves just ebb away - so remember that as well the next time any of you decide to vote either Tory or SNP."

The transcending mantra of any politician, irrespective of party, is "Expediency Above All".
27

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 12:51:25
I hope he's right, but it's difficult to be confident. The parliament building, this new line, trams, all have had their costs massively underestimated.

Some real effort needs to (and hopefully has) go into understanding how previous estimates were so bad and how to improve them.

If we're simply getting wishful estimates (or worse, deceitful) so projects start, and then the blank cheque comes out, we'll constantly run into this overbudget issue.
28

Luke Skywalker,

Edinburgh, United Kingdom 16/05/2008 12:59:14
25 - Bob - You may complain about Holyrood but what about Terminal 5? At least Holyrood worked when it was opened! I'm pleased that Rulesbutnotrulers recognises the usefulness of my profession. Thank you Rules.
29

Publius,

London 16/05/2008 13:39:49
"The train due to arrive at Platform 1 will be on budget"

No, it won't!
30

Old Cartha Boy,

Dumbreck 16/05/2008 14:43:28
And let's not forget the added bonus of being able to speed Rangers fans to their next place to pillage.....
31

JCA REID,

Annan 16/05/2008 15:35:08
Ruddy ridiculous these overspends! Absolutely horrendous. how do these people get employed in the first place & indeed AFTER their debacles??? Recently in China a massive 22mile sea-bridge was completed on time & on budget of 3/4 of a billion US $.
A recent combined rail/road bridge linked Denmark with Sweden on time & on budget, after falling behind schedule by 1YEAR because of WWII munitions dumped in the area that had to be salvaged.
They talk about Scotland being a Centre of Excellence in engineering. More like a Centre of fiddling, conniving & downright scunnery!!!
32

Andrew,

16/05/2008 17:35:53
16 & 23. The whole line is mostly single track but like the rebuilt Alloa-Kincardine line could have bi-directional passing loops installed! With an anticipated hourly service this would be sufficient (and there are loops already between Alloa and Longannet)!
22 - I agree entirely! Aberdeenshire (& the NE) lost almost all its rail services in the great swathe of cuts in the mid 60s. Lack of foresight has left it with a 'bare trunk' railway and no supporting branches!
33

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 16/05/2008 18:17:13
#13 Happy Hibee. For your information Network Rail has taken the new rail line into ownership. They were NOT responsible for delivering the project or building it.
34

Happy Hibee,

16/05/2008 20:27:18
Sir William,

Sorry my friend, just like all major rail projects, Stirling to Alloa was Project managed and delivered by Network Rail. The same will be the case for Airdrie Bathgate, where costs have increased significantly.

Keep your eyes out for further news on all of the major schemes down south, my information is that yet again the Rugby scheme (remember Xmas) is in dire straights and the majority of other schemes are delayed or vastly over budget.

Not bad value for an organisation which takes 40p+ for every penny it actually spends with contractors who actually do the work.
35

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16/05/2008 21:10:28
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36

Observer, formerly resident,

16/05/2008 21:17:43
# 6, 12, 16, 19

The restored line includes parts of two former lines. The section from Stirling to Alloa is part of the former double-track main line from Stirling to Dunfermline and Fife, which closed to passengers in 1968. The section from Alloa to Kincardine is part of the Alloa-Kincardine-Dunfermline branch line, which closed to passengers very much earlier, in 1930. On the main line, journey time from Stirling to Dunfermline was about 30 minutes. Try that today!

The main line was not on the original Beeching closure list! Although the eastern end of the main line (through the old Dunfermline Upper station) did not completely close until as recently as 1993, the track-bed has subsequently been built over and destroyed within Dunfermline. (Whose fault was that?!)

Today - short of building a completely new cut-off from the old main line alignment (# 16 interesting suggestion!) - rail services east of Alloa would have to use the curvaceous, single-track coastal freight route through Kincardine, which would be unlikely to support a frequent or fast service to Dunfermline. Also, for Edinburgh, a new east-south curve would now be required at Charleston since the Kincardine line joins the Forth Bridge line at a north-facing junction.

In short, major investment (perhaps similar to an upper Forth road crossing!) would be required to restore main line passenger rail services east of Alloa.

On the Stirling-Alloa section, some of the new drainage and signalling works appear to encroach on the former track-bed, with implications for any future re-doubling.

It is perhaps also unfortunate that Alloa station has been built just east of the former junction with the Devon Valley line. Thus, future restoration of services to Tillicoultry and Dollar would require moving the new station back to its original location.

But then, much of the above would have involved forward planning!
37

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 16/05/2008 21:35:13
#34 Happy Hibee

No it wasn't. Get your facts right before making claims!

SAK was developed and sponsored by Clackmananshire Council. Originally project managed and developed by Tie Limited. Construction started with Jacobs project managing the works. Construction was by a First Engineering & Nuttal Joint Venture.

Network rail inspected the line for quality and safety with HMRI this year before taking into ownership.

It is wrong to claim the costover runs are the fault of Network Rail. They were not awarded the contract to deliver the project.

Airdrie to Bathgate is being delivered by Network Rail with a fixed price contract.
38

davey 67,

dunfermline 21/05/2008 02:46:48
for the past three months i have been fighting to get the upper line from rumblingwell dunfermline to alloa and on to stirling,i have been in contact with the transport scotland and the asked me to send them photos of the line.i have been in contact with councilers and msp but what need most of all is puplic support because the cycle way was partly paid by the european council and its going to be hard.(dam beecham).

 

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