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Swinney accused of income-tax 'own goal'



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Published Date: 13 March 2008
JOHN Swinney suffered a further blow yesterday over his plans for a local income tax, with claims he had undermined the case for Scottish independence.
The finance secretary faced a barrage of criticism from opposition politicians, the business community and some trade unions when he launched the controversial proposal earlier this week.

Now Labour has seized on remarks made by Mr Swinney when he
launched his tax plan. He said he wanted Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to collect the tax but, if necessary, he would create a Scottish collection agency to do the job. However, he warned this would be an "extra tier" of bureaucracy that would not be welcomed by business.

Jackie Baillie, for Labour, said: "Unless, in an independent Scotland, they believe the UK's HMRC would continue to act as a tax collection agency, then inevitably they would have to set up a separate Scottish collection agency."

She added: "This is hugely embarrassing for the SNP leadership. They have finally admitted that the costs of independence are prohibitive."

An SNP spokesman said Labour had failed to take account of HMRC's tax infrastructure already in place in Scotland, which would remain after independence.

"They seem to think the existing tax collection system applies only to England," he said.





The full article contains 218 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 12 March 2008 9:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

Angus Ogg,

13/03/2008 00:09:34
John Swinney is actually a decent man, and a fair politician. He is also a hard working constituency MSP in Blairgowrie.

However his efforts at the Local Income Tac plan are in vain.

It is a dead duck.

Flawed.

Unworkable.

Will lead to a mini exodus from Scotland, and

most importantly, John Swinney will not be sending BBC Newsnight presenter Gordon Brewer a Christmas Card this year, or any year soon !!!
2

The Daleks,

Longmen 13/03/2008 02:30:21
Swinney accused of own goal by his deadly enemies.

Wow!!

Does that make it a real own goal then?

3

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 13/03/2008 02:44:33
Another pathetic column by McDonnell. Hamish, did you write it at John Smith House or did you get in the email from Westminster?
4

Guga II,

Rockall 13/03/2008 05:55:20
#3 Probably the latter.
5

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 06:54:05
LIT is a fairer system and if the unionists block it they are showing that they have contempt for Scottish democracy. The SNP won the election and are in Government. While we are still part of the UK departments of the UK Government such as HMRC should co-operate with our Government.
6

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 07:36:02
Labour accuse Swinney of an income tax own goal and Hamish the red publishes it as a fact and a news story.
Dont ever tell anybody you are a journalist Hamish you dont even understand the basic priciples of journalism.

"Jackie Baillie, for Labour, said: "Unless, in an independent Scotland, they believe the UK's HMRC would continue to act as a tax collection agency, then
inevitably they would have to set up a separate Scottish collection agency."

Is this no the dumbest comment to be published since Hamish's last article? of course an Independent Scotland will have to have a seperate Tax collection agency to the one from Westminster it will be called the Scottish Inland revenue.

"She added: "This is hugely embarrassing for the SNP leadership. They have finally admitted that the costs of independence are prohibitive."

WHAT??? Swinney informs them that an Independent Scotland will require an independent tax collection body and Baillie sees this as prohibitive?????
So I take it no other independent country in the world has successfully set up their own tax collection body and are in fact using the UK to collect their taxes??
Or did I read that comment wrong??
7

Jock 107,

13/03/2008 08:11:05
#6 Cyberman

Ahh! you're awake, and you've got your question mark key working again. Give Fido a biscuit for me.
8

clarry,

13/03/2008 08:20:03
6

Centre 1 East Kilbride.
9

donald,

glasgow 13/03/2008 08:23:41
MacDonnell accuses Swinney of income-tax 'own goal'
10

Bob M,

Paisley 13/03/2008 08:37:48
Well under the LIT plan I stand to be over £1000 a year better off.

Bring it on I say!



11

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 08:50:00
7 Troll

Playing truant again?? it shows.
12

Jock 107,

13/03/2008 09:01:22
#11 Cyberant

Yes, actually. I thought I'd learn more from you, with your ability to attempt to endeavour to try to make a point by use of nothing other than questions.
13

New Town Resident,

13/03/2008 09:18:04
Can the SNP boiler room posters please clarify a couple of things I don't understand about their proposals concerning the collection issue?

1. I thought Holyrood had the power already to vary income tax by 3p in the pound, presumably to be collected by HMRC if implemented? Given SNP policy (unlike lib Dems) is a flat "local" tax across Scotland, why don't they simply try to use this power and then transfer the money over to the local authorities?

2. About a third of the local tax is water, where Scottish local authorities merely act as a collection agency for the water authority (unlike the situation in England where the water people already have their own expensive stand alone bureaucracy ). I don't think water bills are going to be related to ability to pay, so you can hardly expect HMRC to collect that bit as well can you?

Just interested. Probably there are reasonable answers to these obvious questions, but, as we all agree, you don't get much depth in the media coverage?

14

Alasdair,

13/03/2008 09:24:05
Jesus the Hootsmon is pathetic.

Does anyone else remember when this paper used to be proudly impartial?
The rot set in with those nasty Barclay brothers, and their editor-in-charge-of-morale-crushing, Andra Neil, but if anything it's got worse since they left.

Here's a simple fact: papers like the Guardian or the Telegraph proudly wear their political allegience on their sleeve, because they are confident in their ability to do so while producing a quality read.

On the other hand... this conniving tabloid STILL laughably positions itself as "Scotland's National Newspaper, despite the fact that it is deeply biased in favour of unionism, and barely covers a story from anywhere other than the Capital. On the rare occasions I want to read local news, I pick up an Evening News - how pathetic it is that the Hootsmon is practically identical in content!
I suppose it's because they have a staff of about 4 actual reporters, which also explains why half the stories are lifted straight from the Press Association, but nonetheless it's still a sad state of affairs.

No wonder sales are through the floor.
How dispiriting it must be to be a journalist working for this malignant chip-wrapper.
15

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 09:29:02
12

So do you have any of the answers???
16

Jock 107,

13/03/2008 09:39:41
#15 CylageNat

Yes - why do you ask?

BTW, if you feel the need to write "WHAT???" in a forum like this, people don't tend to repost. It's best you just read the article or posting again.

I'm off to do some mono-blocking now - catch u later T %-P
17

carrottop,

Dumfries 13/03/2008 09:43:47
Agree with comment that as long as we are part of UK we use the UK tax collecting system, if we were independent we would collect own taxes so where is this supposed own goal? Dont think we are at the same game.
18

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 13/03/2008 09:47:23
It strikes me that the scorer of the "own goal" is Jackie Baillie. Her unionist arrogance seems to have led her to assume that HMRC in Westminster has a right of ownership of all HMRC assets in Scotland.

Unsurprisingly, the Scotsman has taken the perverse view.
19

Spicey,

Glasgow 13/03/2008 09:58:55
#1

I agree John Swinney is a hard worker, and (for me anyway) a better speech to watch than Populist but empty Salmond.

I agree with the Council Tax in principle, although there are some bits that neeed ironed out, because in a time of housing shortage it taxes those that live in big, empty houses on their own, and i say this as someone who would benefit from LIT.

LIT in Scotland would just add an extra complication and beauracracy, although if it does have to be introduced why cant they use the Tartan Tax as #13 suggests?

Personally i believe in political independence, but keep as much admin centralised if it will save costs ie i dont see the need for Scotland to have its own passport office, tax collectors etc IF they would cost more than the current set up.
20

Linda,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 10:34:09
19

A uniform LIT would save £30 million a year compared to Local Income Tax collection costs.
21

Spicey,

Glasgow 13/03/2008 10:53:30
#20

Think you made a typo there. Do you mean a uniform LIT would save £30m compared to CT, or that a uniform LIT would save £30m compared to a variable LIT?
22

Breezy,

Argyll 13/03/2008 11:39:07
Jackie Baillie is just ' Hugely embarrasing ' to the whole of Scotland, especially the folk in her constituency.

 

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