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Scrapping bridge toll adds half an hour to road misery across the Forth



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Published Date: 24 February 2008
TRAFFIC congestion around the Forth Road Bridge has soared since the abolition of tolls, according to new figures compiled by vehicle monitoring experts.
In the five-day period leading up to the scrapping of northbound tolls by the Government on February 11, the peak morning rush hour during weekdays extended to 61 minutes. But in the five days after the payments were abolished, it stretched to an a
verage 91 minutes – lengthening journey times – according to surveys taken by road monitoring group Trafficmaster.

The increase occurred even though three of the days surveyed were part of the school half-term holidays in southern Scotland, when traffic is traditionally expected to be lighter.

The figures will fuel the debate over the impact of road tolls on congestion, suggesting that charges do discourage drivers from using their cars.

They also suggest that experts who told the Government last August that scrapping the tolls would worsen traffic congestion were correct.

Their advice was ignored by SNP Finance Secretary John Swinney, who said the economic benefits of removing the tolls would outweigh the disadvantages.

To get the congestion statistics, Trafficmaster cameras recorded the length of the time period at which traffic was travelling at less than 30mph at Junction 2 of the M90 to the north of the bridge.

It said the increase indicated that commuters and other travellers are now abandoning public transport and taking their vehicles into Edinburgh to take advantage of the falling cost.

"Congestion has increased since abolition of the tolls," said a spokesman. "It was thought that removing the tolls would speed up traffic but this does not seem to have been the case."

Although construction costs were paid off in 1993, the tolls since then have funded the bridge's maintenance costs.

The previous Labour-Lib Dem coalition Government rejected scrapping tolls on the grounds that their removal would increase congestion as well as lose about £20m in revenue ever year. Instead, in a plan backed by former First Minister Jack McConnell, drivers would have been able to escape paying tolls if they had more than one passenger in their vehicle.

Last month, Transport Minister Stewart Stevenson signed an order marking the end of tolls on both the Forth and Tay bridges, a move that angered Green campaign groups.

Patrick Harvie, the Green Party's transport spokesman, said: "The right approach would have been smart charges (shared car use]. As predicted, simply removing the tolls has encouraged a shift to car use and away from public transport, and the result is 50% more congestion and frustration, which damages the economy, the environment and people's health."

Evidence of the effect of removing tolls emerged after they were scrapped on the Skye Bridge in 2004. Traffic volumes rose by 50% without any significant positive impact on businesses and employment, according to the Skye Bridge Socio Economic Impact Study.

The Forth Estuary Transport Authority, which operates the bridge, said it was too early to tell what effect the removal of the tolls was having on congestion.

A Scottish Government spokesman said the removal of tolls had been widely welcomed across Scotland, and added:

"It can take some time for traffic flows to settle into new patterns and it is therefore difficult to sensibly measure any long-term changes."

Waiting game

Irrespective of tolls, the Forth Road Bridge still has a limited lifespan.

Investigations in 2004 found significant corrosion, resulting in a loss of strength of up to 10%. Experts agree that, if the corrosion cannot be halted, weight restrictions may have to be introduced as early as 2013.

A full dehumidification system will be in operation by late next year but it will be 18 months before engineers can determine whether the technique has been effective.

In the meantime, the Scottish Government has agreed in principle to build a new road bridge across the Forth at a cost of £4.2bn.



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  • Last Updated: 23 February 2008 7:15 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Forth Bridges
 
1

Derick fae Yell,

the Hoose 24/02/2008 00:36:46
good old Hootsman: every silver lining has a clould.

Roadworks. Weather. lazy hostile reportage.

2

Aýrshire Scot™,

24/02/2008 00:39:45
It just shows the number of tight gits out there who would not pay the £1 to cross the bridge.
3

AJ Fife,

24/02/2008 00:49:09
Contrived p*sh once again from the Scotsman/SoS!

This is their only means of attacking the SNP on ever topic - unsubstantiated b*llocks!
4

truthsleuth,

24/02/2008 01:17:20
'....according to surveys taken by road monitoring group Trafficmaster...'

'The increase occurred even though three of the days surveyed were part of the school half-term holidays in southern Scotland, when traffic is traditionally expected to be lighter.'

You sew the wind you reap the whirlwind.
Now I reckon this must have added far more journey time than the paying of tolls caused. Add to this the loss of income from the tolls and the loss of jobs associated with toll collection means this is a treble self whammy to the petrol heads.

Just what does it take to get them away from their dailyt fix of petrol fumes so that they can think clearly.


5

Vincent-W,

24/02/2008 01:51:37
I remember reading the original story months ago when the real traffic flow experts were lambasted by scores of 'armchair experts' posting on this site.

Now all the loudmouths are proved wrong they blame the Scotsman for being anti SNP.

How about just admitting you were wrong?
6

Abesaidwhat,

Minnesota 24/02/2008 02:00:29
I would rather have a carrot than a stick. How about a better public transport system.
7

Hmm ...,

24/02/2008 04:24:16
... this increased congestion couldn't have anything to do with the dissatisfied Bridge management making a bit of a mess of the removal of tollbooths could it?

Are they just trying to tell us we should reintroduce the tolls, do you think?

Otherwise, it is the first ever incident of removal of an obstruction actually limiting the ability of traffic to flow freely!

Instead, let's remove the bridge management!
8

subrosa,

24/02/2008 06:49:01
I don't believe this at all. It's just rubbish. The cause of the delays is the removal of two tollbooths. Nobody is going to take their car over the bridge just to save 80p. Daft.
9

MR.CYNICAL,

a happy place 24/02/2008 06:57:10
I CROSSED THE BRIDGE BOTH WAYS ON FRIDAY FEB.15TH--AT 10.00 AM INTO EDINBURGH AND 3-45 INTO FIFE-- NO STOPPING JUST A SLIGHT SLOW DOWN GOING INTO FIFE TO ALLOW CARS TO FILTER FROM SLIP ROAD ON LEFT.
10

Scratchy,

Longannet 24/02/2008 07:44:35
This story is absolute rubbish.........I cross the bridge both ways 6 days a week every week and the only reason for any hold ups since the abolition of the tolls was the removal of the toll booths and the recent high winds that have caused speed restrictions.
FFS who is not going to cross a bridge to save a pound and then cross every day to save paying a pound once tolls abolished?
More cheap trashy pot shots at motorists.
11

donald,

glasgow 24/02/2008 08:23:30
Glad I scrapped the Scotsman years ago.
12

Bridge Traveller,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 08:26:51
A misrepresentation of the situation. All current users are fully aware that the current delays in crosssing the bridge is due to FETA demolishing the pay stations. Add the poor weather conditions and partial closure to control traffic, and ofcourse there will be delays. This story is purely people causing mischief. Ending the tolls was the right thing to do.
13

Reckless,

911 was an inside job 24/02/2008 08:35:52
At least we don't have to pay to use a bridge that's already been paid for by the tax payer.
14

NAATS,

Britain 24/02/2008 10:07:26
As the Scotsman group wanted the tolls kept it is not surprising that they print such rubbish.
Bridge users know that the congestion is being caused by road works and poor traffic management for one reason or another.
The worry is that this will continue indefinitely, so a new group is being set up - Forth and Tay Crossings Users Association - if any bridge users want to get involved then contact us at this temporary email address - freescotland@notolls.org.uk
15

Arthur X,

24/02/2008 10:13:12
Y'know, my angry SNP-supporting friends, sometimes the evidence is so clear that you have to admit you're wrong. This is utterly authoritative. The most authoritative it could be. "Free bridges for everyone" was always going to lead to more traffic, and more congestion. I'd pay a pound to avoid half an hour's extra wait and get the traffic moving quicker: wouldn't you?

And the bridge will get worn out even quicker. The £4.2bn second bridge will be your undoing, unless John Swinney changes policy on it.
16

Arthur X,

24/02/2008 10:14:43

Oh, and that's hilarious:

>The worry is that this will continue indefinitely, so a new
>group is being set up - Forth and Tay Crossings Users
>Association - if any bridge users want to get involved
>then contact us at this temporary email address -
>freescotland@notolls.org.uk

The organisation sounds unbiassed, but then the email, not so much. What about those bridge users who can read the numbers and who see that a pound or two is a price worth paying for less time wasted stuck in traffic?
17

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 24/02/2008 10:56:20
#11 - BUT still yopu read this Donald!

Can ONLY mean you are too tight to spend a few pence a day and yet don't seem able to believe people only now crossing bridge would do similar.

Cretin - and a mean one!!!!!
18

mr angry,

ayrshire 24/02/2008 11:39:51
#15 what a moron, who in their right mind will make a journey across the bridge just because they are saving £1, ie less than the cost of a litre of petrol , get a life.
19

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 24/02/2008 12:01:17
This article is surely the low point of the pro-toll lobby that has the Scotsman in its pocket.

I remember the traffic chaos in Edinburgh city centre that followed the referendum result that rejected the council's proposed congestion charges (also backed by the Scotsman).

At the time I was one of the many who thought that the so-called traffic improvements that caused the chaos were deliberately engineered by a spiteful council traffic supremo – but then on reflection thought, surely not?

This thought came back to me as I travelled northbound across the Forth Road Bridge at lunchtime on Wednesday after visiting the Capital. As the traffic crawled over the bridge in a single lane my CD listening session was interrupted by a traffic warning – off-peak delays on the northbound lane of the Forth Road Bridge and delays on the southbound Tay Road bridge due to roadworks.

So the only places in Scotland that merited traffic delay warnings were the two stretches of road that had previously housed toll-booths and where traffic had been smoothly flowing despite the predictions of doom by the bridge authorities.

Surely not the revenge of the pro-toll bridge operators?
20

No thanks...,

Barnton aka the Fife Motorway 24/02/2008 13:06:32
I totally agree with this articles findings. I have started to see a noticable increase in the number of cars. Pollution kills people, women, children, who cant escape the NO2 and diesel particulates. Its a damn disgrace that people working in pubs can demand clean air, yet children in schools and babies in Nurseries who have to in-hale 40K cars a day fumes. People in and out of Edinburgh need to get out of their cars! 4.2 billion on a bridge versus 4.2 on better clean public transport...i know which will give a greater return on investment.
21

Neil,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 13:21:50
Still no attempt to explain to us why this bridge should cost 13 times the £314 the last bridge cost at today's prices. Nor why the Norwegians can cut equivalent capacity tunnels at about £40 million.

At the very least they could explain that it is merely gross incompetence rather than fraud. Assuming it is.
22

Upbeat,

24/02/2008 13:40:13
Install variable speed limits so that trafic is slowed at periods of heavy use. Educate drivers to leave space ahead of their vehicle for a single vehicle that wishes to join the carraigeway top come in front, rather than squeezing them to a standstill. . Go calmly politely and steadily and the problem is solved. Bunching up, speeding to block those who wish to get onto the carraigeway, blocking those from the overtaking lane who wish to take an exit etc. These are the causes of poor traffic flows.

The Germans Dutch and French have built just this sort of variable speed system conrolled by overhead gantries all over their countries. Even the M25 now has the system It really does work, when policed properly , believe it or not.
23

busbyfh,

24/02/2008 13:47:01
During the quoted period the toll booths were being taken down therefore causing most of the congestion - WHEN WILL THIS PAPER EVER PRINT A BALANCED ARTICLE _ THE TRUTH WILL SUFFICE.
24

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 24/02/2008 13:57:40
I thought it was the Forth Crossing the article was about, judging by some of the Comments here it seems to be De Nile?

We all need to travel smarter, unfortunately sitting in a car all day means that you are exposed to high levels of fumes. I guess that affects your judgement...
25

Neil,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 15:06:19
22 "so that trafic is slowed at periods of heavy use"

Surely this merely means that queues will be larger & last longer?
26

Greenheatman,

TAIN 24/02/2008 15:37:19
I blame the 'brake-touchers' in heavy traffic - touch your brakes and you cause a domino effect behind you. The solution is to leave about 6 car spaces in front of you and creep forward idling in first gear and try not to touch your brakes - if some smart-ass jumps in in front - so what? Just maintain the same space in front - this will clear the jam in a few minutes if everbody adopted this stategy - it also saves on wear and tear on clutch and brakes.



27

Hamish Scott,

24/02/2008 16:25:00
If this survey took place during roadworks reducing two lane to one is it any wonder there's been delays? It's more important for the Scotchman on Sunday to have a go at the Government than to promote accuracy.
28

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

24/02/2008 16:48:39
It's to soon to have any accuracy, bearing in mind the
natural weather factors recently which have increased traffic volumes, the works to remove the booths, and the fact that even without booths six lanes are still
filtered to two which will always cause a bottleneck here. There will also be the novelty factor of no tolls increasing traffic volumes for a while. Once those who have reverted to car use discover the extra time there presence causes things will settle down. this needs to be given a full year cycle so that seasonal trends can be factored in. I suggest that both camps stop jumping the gun and wait and see what happens either way.
29

No thanks...,

Barnton 24/02/2008 19:44:36
Ghost, sorry to disagree, but traffic levels in this area are choking not only the streets but the lungs of all the people in this area. Its a complete sham that 40K cars per day are permitted to roll in and out each day. London is again leading the way with leeds and other great financial hubs in showing that less traffic doesnt mean lower growth. We should / must move to this model and loose the name of Auld Reekie.
30

Laughing Cow,

Aberdour 24/02/2008 19:53:03
Can only echo most of the sentiments above - this is one of the most ill-informed pieces of journalism I've read in a long time. The delays are due to the roadworks in removing the toll booths, and the horrendous weather and strong winds we've had almost every day since abolishing the tolls. Awful reporting from Jeremy Watson.
31

GMCD,

fochabers 24/02/2008 20:34:27
It is pitiful to see the SNP supporters on this MB descend into name-calling - the SoS is anti-SNP, anti-nationalist, a unionist patsy...all becauseit reported on a story that suggests that the SNP policies may not be perfect for Scotland.
32

Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/02/2008 20:51:04
#31
The people of Scotland are going to have to get used to these tactics. No criticism, no matter how mild will be tolerated. The cyberhacks at SNP HQ will use any method to discredit anyone who isn't completely on-message.
So, if a publication produces an article which they don't agree with it's corrupt, impartial or following a hidden political agenda.
The journalist who wrote it is either incompetent or a lackey of London.
Any political opponent is corrupt (obviously)
Any normal Scot who doesn't support independence is a traitor.
These are the rules - till the next election anyway...
33

iainy,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 22:06:07
I note that N. Sturgeon is to remove some funding from the NHS in Glasgow. Is this an example of how the losses caused by removing the tolls from our bridges (no bad thing probably)are to made up? Would this not make the people of Glasgow more ill and the people of Fife also more unwell due to increased pollution and a more sedentary lifestyle?
34

firhill,

25/02/2008 06:27:17
Obviously there will be short term pain whilst the permanent traffic management arrangements are made. This is hardly the fault of either bridges' management and is solely down to the political decision. I'm afraid such decisions do have practical consequences.
35

Superluke2,

25/02/2008 08:46:30
If you read the report the survey is done on the north side of the bridge presumably on the southbound. So tolls booths and work would have no effect only an increased number of vehicles. I take the point of poor weather etc the last two weeks.
36

Man of Reason,

25/02/2008 11:51:24
This story doesn't seem to correspond with the experiences of the people who actually use the bridge.

Yes of course there will be some short-term delays while the toll collection area is reconstructed - show me some roadworks in such a busy stretch of road that didn't cause any delays?

#19 Your anti-tolls agenda against FETA is getting clouding your judgement. From what everyone is saying here the bridge managers have clearly NOT caused unnecessary congestion - the traffic is flowing relatively smoothly and this story is a politically motivated load of tosh, probably generated by those who oppose the SNP Government!

37

geekpie,

forfar 25/02/2008 22:19:30
The SNP haven't got a clue how to deal with congestion. Their answer is to rehash smelly old discredited ideas from the late 80s / early 90s. The SNP has made congestion worse: they are bad for business.
38

Lady inwaiting,

Glenrothes 26/02/2008 21:26:57
rubbish story!!!!
39

A True Scot.,

07/12/2008 18:58:38
Ah a story made up by the Scotsman troll calling itself Duncan from Edinburgh. Note the time period

"But in the five days after the payments were abolished, it stretched to an aADVERTISEMENTverage 91 minutes – lengthening journey times – according to surveys taken by road monitoring group Trafficmaster."

In other words when the road works were at their worst during the period the booths were being removed.

traffic since the booths have been removed has never been better. Today traffic doesnt stop dead in its tracks it is kept moving continuously its a huge improvement that this propaganda sheet would never be allowed to admit to.

 

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