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Published Date: 06 February 2008
SCOTLAND'S richest man last night branded the country's education system "Victorian" and claimed both private and public schools were unable to provide for its gifted children.
Sir Tom Hunter, who has pledged to plough much of his fortune into learning, also accused the government of dragging its heels in implementing the much-vaunted Curriculum For Excellence.

Scotland's first home-grown billionaire warned headteachers
that "a new enlightenment" was needed – and suggested education should be freed from political leadership.

In a week when his charitable trust is to announce an "elitist scheme" for gifted teenagers, Sir Tom called for an overhaul of Scotland's education in a bid to reverse the numbers of children leaving school unable to read or write.

He said: "The plain fact is our system is not that dissimilar to the one we developed in the Victorian era. Can that really be right for a modern nation where most of our young people are likely to experience maybe four, five or even more jobs in their lifetimes, in a world where the internet and air traffic has shrunk our planet so wildly it could not have been conceived of when our education system was designed?"

The Hunter Foundation is to launch the elitist programme today, which offers a "bridge year" to Scotland's brightest 16-19-year-olds.

In a paper to headteachers, seen by The Scotsman, Sir Tom said he was doing it because "our system of education – public or private – doesn't deliver for them. Where are our next generation of leaders to come from?".

David Eaglesham, the general-secretary for the SSTA teaching union, agreed there was concern among the profession about the delays in implementing the Curriculum for Excellence.

But he said that while pupils were still taught in a classroom environment as they were in the Victorian era, that was the only similarity between then and now.

"If that was the case, we would not be educating girls," he said. "We would only really be looking at educating the very top stream and the rest would be cannon fodder for industry."

He said it was difficult to produce the right specialist support for elite students as their needs could be very different, depending on their talent. However, teachers "always need to be on the lookout for gifted children" as well as working with struggling pupils.

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said Curriculum for Excellence was being trialled over the current academic session and would be phased in over the next.

UNIVERSITIES RULE OUT FEES

CRISIS talks on funding for higher education have seen university leaders rule out imposing tuition fees.

During the 24-hour talks with education secretary, Fiona Hyslop, academics instead demanded government funding.

The joint future thinking task force was set up to tackle the funding shortfall for higher education after a poor budget settlement.

The Scotsman has learned, despite indications some academics were prepared to support introducing fees, the idea was ruled out.

A spokesman for Universities Scotland said: "We think there is the basis for a very strong case for funding universities from the public purse. Top-up fees were not, and will not, be discussed."





The full article contains 532 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 05 February 2008 9:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Roberta Burns,

06/02/2008 00:56:09
Tom Hunter is getting above himself. Who is he to decide who our next leaders will be?

He would serve this country better by investing in those who are not able to access the elite stream and encourage excellence from the bottom up, not the top down. Now, that is Victorian!

His elitist system will pull the best of the teaching profession into his schools, leaving everything else as it is.

Think again, Tom
2

Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen 06/02/2008 03:42:05
#1 In Mr Hunter's defence: Didn't he work from the ground up......and succeeded? He's under no obligation to support the social failings of those who feel entitled to it. Where are you #1 living down a coal mine?
"Entitlement" is the rabid scourge socialism.

The general difference between Victorian style education and that of today is not difficult to identify:
(1) "Victorian style" teachers then were WELL educated and were required to handle an vast curriculum. There were very few "specialist teachers" in those days in public schools. Teachers were smart!

(2) Teachers were respected members of the community and parents had a sense of responsibility to the school system. Not so now. Parents are generally the first to tackle a teacher if their kids aren't doing well.

Reading between the lines, the issue Mr. Hunter may be implying is "Responsibility." (Rare in the public school system)
True, everything must "get with it" but our kids are sadly "without it." A broken system?

Mr. Hunter is living proof that anyone can work hard, be successful and make a lot of money. The saddest legacy of the "Victorian element" is perhaps the ingrained attitude of sheer social envy... evident amongst Scots when a fellow countryman is successful.
I say..."Well Done!"

SUCCESS CANNOT BE TAUGHT; it is earned through life's experience and dedicated hard work. Education doesn't always guarantee that does it?
Mr.Hunter may have a valid point.

3

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 06/02/2008 04:37:11
Those pupils who sit quietly in class, ask questions when given the opportunity, respect teachers, do homework helped by married hetrosexual Christian tax paying legally resident couples, deserve the very best teachers.

Note I do not differentiate between mental ability I include the thickest as long as they are willing to learn.

Well done Tom.
4

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 06/02/2008 07:47:40
As long as our Education System has the millstone of Local Government round its neck it will continue to decline. Let the Head teachers run the schools reporting to a board of Governors elected by the parents, the colossal amount now wasted on administration by Council Education Departments could be spent on frontline needs.
5

Bascule,

Cardiff today 06/02/2008 08:02:19
Excellence from the bottom up? That's the kind of rubbish that the Socialist Republic of Alba has had to bear for far too long.
Our educational elite, the teaching professions, their representative bodies and successive doctrinaire Labourite bleating has squandered opportunity for children to learn. The muddled application of forced uniformity is the bane of this country.
Reward excellence, ditch mixed ability classes, and let's encourage those who wish to learn and evolve. I want the best for children, so let's reintroduce streaming, grammar schools, and centres of excellence. Roll up the carpet on secondary schools, and force them upwards towards the quality provided by private schools. Let's stop stealing funding to create 'Universities' in the stead of Polytechnics and giving out fake degrees for sports studies and applied Reiki. We know it's a scam, the kids know it's a scam, so who do you think you're really kidding?
6

Kate,

Zurich 06/02/2008 08:24:28
#2 Snuffy Ivy, quite right! Looking at the disasters which are coming out of schools today, the Victorian system was good! There was respect for each other and for the dominie, everyone had the right to the three "Rs" and especially in regard to the number of Scottish engineers and inventors who came out of the school system in those days, what are we doing today that is so much better?
7

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 06/02/2008 08:54:02
Ross Fyfe #3- what about atheists? Are they not citizens?
8

Crank Parent,

Livingston 06/02/2008 09:00:48
School was failing my gifted and talented kids, so they are now home educated.
9

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 06/02/2008 09:07:49
Education was better in Victorian times than it is today!
10

Encephalon,

06/02/2008 09:38:25
As anyone in their late 40's who lived through the introduction of comprehensive education back in c 1971 will confirm, that social-engineering experiment marked a watershed and Scottish education has been in decline ever since.

Bring back the old traditional Scottish High Schools-real academies of excellence-and also provide for those not so academically minded-the present system fails the needs of both groups.
11

Encephalon,

06/02/2008 09:42:24
Meant to say if only contemporary education was 1/4 as good as the Victorian era-the engineers, scientists and politicians etc etc produced were genuinely world-class!
12

Hunky Dorey,

06/02/2008 09:51:35
I note that his name is "sir Tom Hunter". Would that not suggest that he is in a way influenced by his English masters.
13

Mikey,

06/02/2008 11:20:32
Bascule, I think you'll find that your average Scot doesn't even know what a 'grammar school' is! A purely English invention, my friend!
14

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 06/02/2008 11:53:59
#3 Ross Fyffe

You are full of it.

What about teachers who are not ephebophiles or paedophiles, gay and in a monogamous union, who do not attend church but still practice human values, are of a skin hue that is darker or yellower than yours, pay their taxes AND contribute to charities, lead quet lives, are gifted communicators and educators, and who are a credit to their schools and the neighbourhoods in which they live?

Are they to be cast out as sinners and fornicators - in YOUR mind only.

Your posting is an abomination and should be relegated to the garbage heap of outdated, antediluvian "thought".

Go back to your unenlightened cave and live your life of prejudice, religious fervour, and outright wackiness.

You lower the tone of this forum. Begone!
15

Spicey,

Glasgow 06/02/2008 12:17:13
"We would only really be looking at educating the very top stream and the rest would be cannon fodder for industry."

Replace "industry" with 'fast-food firms' and think the comparison stands!

#12 is looking for excellence a purely English thing then? Actually, considering the current state of Scotland maybe it is....
16

Gothic Rose,

06/02/2008 12:17:22
"Education should be freed from,political leadership"And Religious indoctrination.Don`t forget that!I haven`t forgotten the Polluting, Hypocrisy and Insensitivity.
17

Kate,

Zurich 06/02/2008 12:55:32
#13 Mikey, sorry, but there are grammar schools in Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Glasgow. Montrose used to have a grammar school but it amalgamated into the present day Montrose Academy a long while back.
18

Kate,

Zurich 06/02/2008 12:56:13
#13 Mikey, sorry, but there have been and still are grammar schools in Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Glasgow. Montrose used to have a grammar school but it amalgamated into the present day Montrose Academy a long while back.

My grandfather went to Aberdeen Grammar and he was born in 1907!
19

Abel Magwitch,

06/02/2008 13:26:56
Speaking as a scientist/engineer who was educated many years ago at one of Edinburgh's leading "public" (aka private) schools, I can say that my career was achieved in spite of (rather than because of) the Victorian ethos at the said school. Science was very much on the back burner. Classics and rugby football were the things that got you ahead.

But I do find the classics helpful in doing the Scotsman cryptic crossword, so its an ill wind ...etc. And the rugby background is helpful in buses during the rush hour.
20

Iain fae Elgin,

London 06/02/2008 18:28:38
Is Tom not a god botherer with some offensive views on who is and is not a sinner?

I would have thought he would be happy to have schools stuck in the Victorian age as his own ideas are firmly entrenched there.
21

d.j.,

06/02/2008 19:28:09
Now that Sir Tom Hunter is going to launsh an elitist programme for the brightest 16 to 19 year olds wil the end result be more emigration of the talented in 5 or 10 years time How is he going to ensure that more not less people stay in Scotland rather than leave these shore for easier climates.
Me-thinks he has not thought about what he is doing, that is unless he wants more people to leave Scotland of course.
More of the Emigration Factory occuring.
22

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

06/02/2008 22:47:23
3)I Quote"Note I do not differentiate between mental ability I include the thickest as long as they are willing to learn."
What about those who cannot learn will you chase out their demons, pray for them, or just accept that your god is punishing them for the sins of their fathers?
23

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 06/02/2008 23:44:31
22, cannot learn? no such person, however there are those who are unwilling to learn (usually down to very poor and inadequate parenting), those need strict dicipline until they are willing to learn. They may not turn out to be Einstiens but they will be able to wait at tables, do manual work, take on apprentaships, and such like, also take pride in doing so.

Your demons idea is a bit silly.

24

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 07/02/2008 00:00:42
#14

Those pupils who sit quietly in class, ask questions when given the opportunity, respect teachers, do homework helped by married hetrosexual Christian tax paying legally resident couples, deserve the very best teachers.

above is what I wrote, and I repeat those children deserve the very best teachers. If others children are in the class and are willing to learn thats fine.

if that means those same teachers are sodomites that is fine by me and I do not care what colour they are you assertion I am racist is riduculous since I come from the most attacked minority group of people there are i.e. Christian, white, hetrosexual, married, tax paying, legaly resident and law abiding.

I do however draw the line at letting peados or such like within 1 mile of any child, indeed St Kilda would be a good place to drop them off (out of a plane from about 10,000 feet)



25

Allan(handofgod137),

07/02/2008 14:37:44
At least the victorians achieved the highest levels of literacy and numerecy.

 

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