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Salmond in talks to force closure of Dungavel centre



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Published Date: 04 June 2008
ALEX Salmond last night revealed he is in talks with Westminster to have Scotland's only immigration detention centre closed down.
The First Minister's office said he has voiced his "strong disapproval" with Liam Byrne, the UK immigration minister, about the Dungavel facility and dawn raids on asylum seekers in Scotland.

Yesterday The Scotsman reported how human rights gro
ups and churches had renewed calls for the Home Office facility in South Lanarkshire to be shut after Corellie Bonhomme, a detainee, described conditions there.

An aide close to the First Minister said: "As a government, we have consistently and on many occasions outlined our fundamental opposition to dawn raids and the detention of children in Dungavel.

"The Scottish Government believes we should have responsibility for asylum seekers and immigration, then we could preclude the possibility of this appalling situation continuing. The First Minister has raised these concerns with the UK Home Office on a number of occasions.

"Fiona Hyslop wrote to Liam Byrne two weeks ago about these matters and we are continuing to pursue these and other issues."

Ms Hyslop, the education secretary, is also looking at the possibility of setting up hotel-like facilities for asylum seekers similar to the Nayland Rock Hotel project in Kent.

Christina McKelvie, SNP MSP for Central Scotland, whose constituency includes Dungavel, lodged a motion at the Scottish Parliament yesterday calling on the Scottish Government to ensure "families under detention or investigation by the Immigration Agency be kept out of Dungavel in alternative accommodation, including in their own homes, while their cases are resolved".

Margaret Smith, MSP, the Liberal Democrats' justice spokeswoman, said: "Dungavel is a prison and looks like a prison. It has barbed wire fences and warders patrolling around and is not suitable for anyone, let alone children and families.

"This is a Westminster issue but on Scottish soil. We would be very sympathetic to the Scottish Government taking this up with the UK government."

But Bill Aitken, the justice spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives, said the SNP had not highlighted Dungavel in the same high-profile manner it displayed in opposition.

Mr Aitken said: "You do have to question why the SNP have been so voluble in opposition but have been strangely silent since being in government.

"Perhaps being in government has added a new perspective.

"But the really important point here is that nobody can be comfortable with the fact that really young children are being held in these circumstances, and clearly something needs to be done to improve the facilities they have available to them."

Kathleen Marshall, Scotland's Commissioner for Children and Young People, said: "Detention can cause lasting damage to the health and wellbeing of children and families; that's why I continue to argue strongly for alternatives to be developed.



"Alternatives should be put in place as soon as possible to demonstrate our commitment to treating children as children first and foremost, no matter what their immigration status."





The full article contains 498 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Guga II,

Rockall 04/06/2008 01:34:28
I agree, they shouldn't be detaining illegal immigrants in Dungavel. They should be deporting them the minute their feet touch the ground.
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04/06/2008 07:22:57
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danielrober,

04/06/2008 08:41:27
I have never agreed with these centers. They just cause trouble feed racist feeling, encouage fanatics and breed hate against our country. The large central processing centers have simply not worked in this country.

Lets break down these d*m centers and rebuild local community help centers. They are just far more effective and humane.
4

bill-alba,

Fife 04/06/2008 09:01:57
If its shut down won't the people just be deported to England where there is no vocal concern over their welfare??
at least in Scotland the people detained at Dungaval are aware that people are trying to stop their detention.
5

sam the god,

04/06/2008 11:59:26
Magic now all we need is immediate deportation of these illegal immigrants.
6

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 04/06/2008 12:12:01
#4, bill-alba

They won't, I imagine, just be deported to England. The idea would surely be to build
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 04/06/2008 12:13:42
oops...

to build less prison-like centres. I'm not sure anyone being detained would be contented with knowing that folk are worried about them. Does the argument then become, they're better off here because we at least care that they're being detained but not enough to do anything about it?
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Highland Mighty,

04/06/2008 12:34:29
England won't take Scotland's illegal immigrants just like they won't take Scotland's prisoners now that Salmond has ended early release.

So just what does the SNP suggest we do with these people?
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 04/06/2008 13:43:20
Salmond seems to have found yet another populist bandwagon to jump on to distract from his government's failings - police levels, class sizes, SFT etc.
If he is to be considered a real statesman, he needs to learn that it's not all about bowing to the loudest shrieks and he needs to rise above the seemingly never ending populist rantings by activists.
Yesterday his rant was about oil , today about Dungavel - I wonder what tomorrow will bring?
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Anthony,

Glasgow 04/06/2008 13:44:55
It's a difficult one. Children should definitely not be allowed to suffer. But, if we allow anyone to escape normal scrutiny because they have children, the danger is that you turn children into a commodity. We saw a recent example of this, when the African woman bought a child, so that she could get a council house in the UK. I feel the childrens commissioner, though well intentioned, isn't giving enough consideration to this.
11

we the people,

04/06/2008 14:58:28
Dungavel, you've been living hell to me
you've blistered me since two-thousand and three
You bent my heart and mind and you warped my soul
Your stone walls turn my blood a little cold

Dungavel, may you rot, and burn in hell
May your walls fall and may I live to tell
May all the world forget you ever stood
And may all the world regret you did no good

Dungavel, I hate every inch of you.
12

Anthony,

Glasgow 04/06/2008 15:14:28
(12) You're sentiments aren't I suspect terribly out of alignment with my own. But I have a question for you, and the churches and all those condeming dungavel, and criticising immigration officers who never get to put their side of the story - what's your alternative? What would you do instead?
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we the people,

04/06/2008 15:57:00
(13)it all depends on how one defines the 'problem'. Globalisation seems to mean the free movement of goods, capital and services,but ever tighter controls on the movement of people.This to me is bogus.Global inequality is such that for a fair proportion of the world,survival =migration.Present and future environmental damage will increase this imperative,and my fear is that (as has happened already off australia,spain and italy) europe will attempt to pull up the drawbridge,and leave the people who will try and come here (with courage born of need)on flimsy boats and rafts, to die.But it is these people who are demonised with the crude label - 'illegals'.we have to shift the coordinates of the debate entirely.this means accepting our present and historical role in the creation and maintenance of conditions that force people to flee their homelands,and to acknowledge that there is nothing 'bogus' in migrating for economic motives.Scotland is a sparsely populated country with an ageing population that would not have sustained economic competitiveness but for immigration.Accept these premises,and we can talk seriously about how to harness the skills of migrants,and how to settle them in ways that reinvigorate our decaying towns.It is also vital that we accept our share of political refugees in accordance with international agreements. Ultimately,we should campaign for the free and unfettered movement of labour globally,which good old adam smith sensibly pointed out was essential for the operation of a world market.
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danielrober,

04/06/2008 16:01:49
For centuries we have taken in people from all over the world and travelled to all those parts of the world. For centuries we have had our islands enriched by newcomers who bring fresh blood, new ideas and a desire to get ahead. This has strengthened our country and our families.

Over these centuries immigration had been the business of small offices in small ports, linked to small communities and it has worked.

So for the past 15 years we have experimented with large process centers and holding areas. All manner of words and methods treating people as a logistical problem. It has not worked. So lets just say 'oh well, lets turn the clock back a bring back small local centers'. It's no one else's business but our's.

We can be humane with maybe a simpel finger print scan to stop multiple identity fraud, but that should be quick and cheap (and work against criminals).
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 04/06/2008 16:55:31
#14 we the people. Undoubtedly you advocate what you do for the purist of motives? But your proposal for unfettered and uncontrolled movement of people around the world is an out and out recipe for total chaos and an inevitable end to the world as we know it.
For one thing, landmass ("Scotland is a sparsely populated country") is hardly a basis for mass immigration - as we have seem with the arrival then departure of Eastern Europeans, it's much more economy driven. If we have a massive increase in population without the concommitant jobs and infrastructure, we'd be in a right mess.
For an orderly and law abiding society we must have, and obey, laws - the alternative is anarchy. But is that what you really want, I ask?
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 04/06/2008 17:30:01
If the occupants at Dungavel are by definition illegal immigrants, do they have to stay there for any length of time? If so why? Why are they not then deported at the earliest opportunity and avoid clogging up the system for longer than necessary. They have no doubt travelled through several countries to reach here attracted by the easy-going attitude of do-good PC politicians who will hand out (our) largesse knowing full well they can then bathe in warm applause of equally misguided people who would let anything happen until it happens to them.

What's the alternative? Presumably take away the gates and walls and barbed wire and officers patrolling and then what? Well it may not take a genius to work out that the illegal immigrants and families will then just walk out of the place and melt away into the general population or find it so comfortable and even more so with free access that they just hang on. Completely unreal and we cannot afford any further proflagate waste like this. Not now with the economy down the tubes and fuel costs sky-high. Those who wish to waste their money completely could instead personally contribute to Mr Mugabe to help out his beleagured population.
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Allan(handofgod137),

04/06/2008 17:45:02
The point all you bleeding heart leftists are missing is that they are there because they are illegal immigrants, and if they are not held under secure conditions, then they disappear befor they can be thrown out.
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we the people,

04/06/2008 18:42:09
#16
Don't know what a 'pure' motive is really - although i'm emigrating to latin america later in the year and would like not to be imprisoned for evermore for some minor visa infraction.
Yes, uncontrolled movement of people would mean the 'end of the world as we know it' and, i would hope,the birth of the new, founded on the needs of people rather than those of capital.If you fear 'total chaos', what do you think we have at the moment - as i survey worldwide food riots,environmental degradation, war, occupation and all the rest, i think 'total chaos' is a pretty apt description of the present circumstances. my point on landmass was that the arguments one hears in southern england ('we're full up') do not apply to scotland, which is largely empty. yes, jobs and infrastructure are vital but this is no insuperable problem - utilising the skills of the many doctors, engineers and skilled labourers who seek asylum here rather than forcing them to live hand-to-mouth in the twilight economy would be a good start in this direction.enormous movements of people has been the historical rule rather than the exception, and will continue to be so due to the ruination of 3rd world agriculture and environmental degradation - if you accept this is the case (you must, surely?) then the question becomes not 'how do we deal with immigrants?' but, how do we accomodate them?
on your last point, you're correct.i think an anarchist mode of social organisation (a non-hierarchical society in which agreements are made freely between communities, territorial and professional organisations (rather than through threats and violence from the state),goods are produced collaboratively and distributed according to need rather than profit)is the best available system for the governance of literate,high - technology societies.
the 'orderly law abiding' society you crave is not possible under capitalism,whose defining feature is class warfare.the most pernicious fantasy generated by the ruling cla
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/06/2008 20:01:08
Perfect solution.

Turn Kinfauns Castle into the holding centre. The detainees get to stay in a castle, the kids get plenty of space and Anne Gloag get the security and the fence she always wanted.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/06/2008 20:11:02
Come to think of it, it would be very interesting to see the Ramblers' Association argue against the extension of the perimeter fence.

Would they take the Home Office to court? Right to roam. Aye, right. So do the detainees.
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boudica,

Glasgow 12/06/2008 09:50:32
I see salmond is touting for fresh SNP supporters ...now thats one way to get Independence ..The Salmond way ...as he has already said he will have an open door policy on Immigration in an Independent Scotland ..

 

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