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Published Date: 24 October 2008
THE SNP demanded an inquiry yesterday into comments made by a Labour press officer earlier this week when he warned members of the media they might be "shot" if they got in the way of the Prime Minister's wife.
The incident happened on Wednesday when the press were being prevented from getting close to Sarah Brown as she campaigned in Glenrothes.

Rami Okasha, Labour's head of communications in Scotland, was in charge of keeping the press corralled on to
a piece of ground away from Mrs Brown when he referred to the Special Branch officers protecting her and said: "There will be six or seven guys with guns who will keep you away from her. You may be shot and then it won't be my problem."

After reading the report of the incident in The Scotsman, Joe Fitzpatrick, the SNP MSP for Dundee West, demanded an internal Labour Party inquiry and disciplinary action against the press officer concerned.

He said: "It is Labour control freakery gone mad. On what possible basis do Labour Party apparatchiks discuss security issues – which they have no business interfering in.

"We have excellent democratic standards in Scotland of campaigning in by-elections, which Labour must not be allowed to undermine in this extraordinary bullying manner."

And he added: "I am calling on the Labour Party to resolve this worrying matter by holding an inquiry in order to establish which party official made these reported remarks, on whose authority they were acting, and any disciplinary action that may be required."

A Labour spokesman replied: "The bizarre and inaccurate claim by the SNP that any member of Labour Party staff would seriously threaten anyone is simply spin and merely a distraction by their spin-doctors from the real issues in the campaign."

Meanwhile, David Cameron derided Alex Salmond yesterday for being too parochial in the face of the economic crisis and for not acting like a "statesman".

The Conservative leader, campaigning in Glenrothes ahead of next month's by-election, also attacked Labour for trying to "frighten" Scots away from independence. Mr Cameron said the case for the Union had to be a positive one and he would put that case now and all the time if he became prime minister.

Mr Cameron came to Scotland aware that his party is battling for third or fourth place in the race for Glenrothes and is unlikely to do any better, despite his campaign appearance.

He refused to be drawn on whether an SNP victory in Glenrothes would damage the Union, nor on whether the case for independence had been undermined by the global banking crisis.

But he did criticise the First Minister for being too partisan and "national" at a time of great global uncertainty.

Mr Cameron said: "In some ways, this has revealed that Alex Salmond has been acting as a national politician rather than as a uniting statesman. That is what we need right now."

The Conservative leader said that Scotland could "stand alone", but his preference was for the Union.

He said: "Of course it is possible that Scotland can stand alone – that is true. I just think it would be better off in the United Kingdom. Better off for all of us."

And in a dig at Labour, which has used the banking crisis to undermine the case for independence, Mr Cameron said: "I don't think we'd ever succeed in saving the Union by frightening Scots to say you couldn't possibly make it on your own.

"That's not the way I approach it. The Union to me is about generosity – we're stronger together because we share so much. We'll win the case for the Union through taking a generous attitude, not a small-minded one."

He also vowed to work with the First Minister if the Tories win power at Westminster.





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1

Jimmy Le Pie,

24/10/2008 00:07:02
Quite right.

Comrade Broon wants an investigation into Russian boat trips, where nobody was threatened!

New Labour Sleaze thugs should be brought to book
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 24/10/2008 00:09:25

For once I disagree with the SNP if the pressmen in question were from the Herald Record or Scotsman why did the police not open fire

Lets face it people have been shot for less than treason
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subrosa,

24/10/2008 00:10:02
"That's not the way I approach it. The Union to me is about generosity – we're stronger together because we share so much."


Sadly an unequal share. We get less Mr Cameron.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

24/10/2008 00:14:31
I join Mr Fitzpatrick in demanding a full public inquiry, with a panel of twenty five judges, a phalanx of QCs and a batallion of police officers to fully investigate this disgraceful threat to massacre members of Her Majesty's Press yesterday. No stone must be unturned and no public pound unwasted in keeping this story going for ten minutes or so.

If, on the other hand this turns out to be a daft remark by a press officer who should have known better than to make a poor joke in front of reporters, Mr Fitzpatrick should be presented with a big bill for blantant stirring.
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24/10/2008 00:14:48
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 24/10/2008 00:26:24
In my little YouTube video aimed at Glenrothes voters, I asked, among other questions, did they want a Labour government obsessed by celebrity and the rich, and did they want to part of a paranoid police state. The Mandelson/Osborne saga certainly underlined the first criticism, and the bizarre behaviour of the labour apparatchik during the ludicrous Sara Brown visit emphasised the latter.

The near collapse of Pakistan - terrifyingly the only Muslim nuclear state - because of the combination of the global economic crisis and the ill-advised, badly resourced, strategically flawed war on the Taliban - shows the danger of UK foreign entanglements in support of America's wildly inappropriate knee-jerk reaction, under Bush, to the horrific event of 9/11 and the very real phenomenon of international terror, points up the price we all pay for being part of this folly - Bush, Blair and Brown's folly.

What's wrong with us? What's wrong with us is the dysfunctional, corrupt, outmoded United Kingdom. The sooner Scotland is out of it, the better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey-5ymkm784
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 24/10/2008 00:29:29

Hmmmmmmmmm I should take a less quirky point of view and be serious about a serious issue

What we saw was a stage managed Labour event no questions allowed .

The guy that said this made a huge gaff and has probably been given the roasting of his life .

And if there is a council bylection in Nuneaton next week he is probably making sure the doorsteppers get 100 leaflets each .

But what does it honestley say about UK politics when events are stage managed like that
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 24/10/2008 00:52:57
Dudes,

Sounds like U guys are moving ever closer to the killing mentality we have in the US.

Like when Obama moves he is surround by and army of armed minders.

And when the evil Bush moves, they close down all surrounding streets, and have choppers overhead for so-called extra protection and surveillance.

For the SNP to squawk about Sarah Brown (they have every right to do so, in a free speech society), they are using "the shooting threat" for political gain . Pure hypocrisy and paranoia .

Chill out Dudes
Find a SHOOTIST Gun Store, we have on in Murrieta, and purchase a magnum 500 and then u will feel even more paranoid .

GC
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 24/10/2008 01:06:20

Galactic

Can you do me favour and post in English or Scots for once so I can understand what you are saying instead of posying in Gringo text speak
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Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 24/10/2008 01:08:36
Galactic

Can you do me favour and post in English or Scots for once so I can understand what you are saying instead of posying in Gringo text speak

Posying = posting Yup I cant see the keyboaed
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

24/10/2008 01:10:44
When he said shot - he meant with Sp*nk !
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24/10/2008 01:14:53
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notime4anovice,

stockwell 24/10/2008 01:15:18
I think Rami Okasha has been watching too many James Bond fulims.
The only folk likely to be shot by Special Branch are folk carrying table legs, folk with tans, folk with backpacks, insane folk shooting through windows and problematic nuclear scientists.
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somerferg,

perth 24/10/2008 01:23:17

What you mean the Liebour party are using "heavies" to keep the nasty little plebs away from the sainted wife of Ma Broon - surely not. What are they worried about - that she might admit that she actually votes for the SNP??
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

24/10/2008 01:29:59
Labour press officer earlier this week when he warned members of the media they might be "shot" if they got in the way of the Prime Minister's wife.

turns out there was a miss interpretation of the words

Labour press officer earlier this week when he warned members of the media they might be "shocked" if they got in the way of the Prime Minister's wife.

somethin’ to do with her prostituting herself for politics i believe !
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notime4anovice,

stockwell 24/10/2008 01:45:54
Maybe Rami Okasha the Labour Head of Communications tried to keep the media and public away from Sarah as he didn't want to cause a 'Rami in the Cashie ' ?Translated means a violent incident in the NCR. Forgetting that they went bust under Labour.
Like most electronic industries and agricultural and manufacturing and banking services in Scotland.
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24/10/2008 02:43:12
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24/10/2008 03:18:14
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 24/10/2008 03:27:46
Alex Salmond is acting like a "national politician" because he is (wait for it) a NATIONAL POLITICIAN!!!
The nation of Scotland to be precise. The same "nation" that plays rugby in the six nations cup, world cup, Euro cup, commonwealth games, ad infinitum.
Fvck me this Cameron snaphead is a thicko.
And should be hauled up before the Committee for Un-Scottish Activities and stripped of his faux Scottish name.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/10/2008 03:32:57
Uttering threats is a crime and contrary to what 19 says, marksmen are trained to shoot at the middle of the torso maximizing the chances of a "kill". This numpty should be jailed for the ned he is. ASBO orders all round.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/10/2008 03:38:00
Why were these neds allowed into Scotland armed to the teeth? Broon has some explaining to do. Sending his trigger happy goons into our country and denying the members of the press their civil rights is just not on.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/10/2008 03:41:40
24 - having been shot by a dum-dum during the battle for Eindhoven to preserve your civil rights I am well aware of the effects of such ammunition.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/10/2008 03:49:36
27 - No in the hip - my cognitive functions remain unimpaired unlike yours.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/10/2008 03:55:53
I am affronted that the rights of UK citizens are so casually disregarded when my contemporaries were sent to die for their preservation. To be confronted by wee neds on this forum who show such utter disrespect for that sacrifice fills me with rage. Mr Brown has a lot to answer for.
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Richardinho,

24/10/2008 04:24:42
Exactly who directs the police in these situations? The police may have authority over security, but they ultimately answer to the government. Who's to say that some inexperienced police shooter might not jump to the demands of some jumped up labour 'advisor'?
Careless talk costs lives.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/10/2008 04:27:48
Without a fifth estate all we have is propaganda.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 24/10/2008 05:23:52
22 - roll on the sooper-dooper GB Olympic fitba team ?
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donald,

glasgow 24/10/2008 06:29:18
Mrs Broon went to Glenrothes toon
Surrounded by City Slickers.
She went back to London toon
Minus her Union Jack knickers.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

24/10/2008 06:33:45
Rami Okasha has a fantastic CV
Obviously an intelligent and able person.

Utter ar**hole all the same.

Doesn't surprise me - I knew a chap who was a high flying physics PhD graduate.
Most immature and idiotic person I have ever met.


Seems Rami Okasha might fall into the same category.
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Richardinho,

24/10/2008 06:39:12
Apart from anthing else, what was the point of Sarah Brown's visit if no one was allowed to get near her?
Looks like a complete waste of taxpayers money.
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Thomas1,

// 24/10/2008 06:44:57
You never know we might even get lucky and a reporter from the Scotsman newspaper will get shot,
strange world isn't?
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donald,

glasgow 24/10/2008 06:56:21
Mrs Broon came to Glenrothes toon
Surrounded by City Slickers.
She returned to London toon,
Minus her Union Jack knickers.
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john z,

edinburgh 24/10/2008 07:03:34
It strikes me that labour have a problem in Glenrothes, which they also had in Glasgow East. There are effectively two groups running their campaign, the local Labour folks, and the 'flown in' London Labour strategists.

The problem seems to be the London mob (!) don't seem to understand they are not in London, Engerland. Swaggering around Glenrothes, threatening to shoot people.

The police need to fully investigate the comments from Labour regarding six armed people wandering around at their behest, apprently making death threats to members of the public in Cardenden.

This is real, and is actually a very serious matter. Members of any Government cannot be allowed to walk the streets of Scotland threatening people with being shot by armed police officers.

Labour need to get a grip, and realise that it is things like this which ensure people vote anything but labour. Idiots.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

24/10/2008 07:34:45
#19 bring them on,

You really do write some rubbish. "These guys are trained marksmen, for crying out loud. No one would have been killed.

They aim for the thigh to "take out the problem".

Most wounds are healed within a couple of months."

Just like they did with Charles De Menenez??

As far as I'm aware threatening behaviour is a criminal offence.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

24/10/2008 07:45:55
#42 No, you're full of the broon stuff!
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 24/10/2008 07:48:41
I dont know whether anyoune was threatened in Glenrothes but if the media reports are to be believed,then Sarah Brown's visit was very strange.It is reported in the Times that Labour canvassers identified a few houses where the occupants were Labour voters and that she was only allowed to talk to them.The Scotsman reports a similar story and claims that the press were not allowed to talk to her.I wonder what the point of this type of visit was,since she did not meet all types of voters.Potentially her visit could have done Labour some good.I am astonished that Labour made such a mess of this opportunity and gave the press such a gift.Their election campaign,which sounds totally negative,is starting to get into a mess.
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Pocket Dictionary,

24/10/2008 07:57:02
Since no party is going to re-introduce Capital Punishment, I'll vote for the party that enacts a law that states life in prison means life in prison for paedophiles.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

24/10/2008 07:57:12
#44 Watch it here yourself and listen to the commentary. Thank God we've got the internet to keep stories like this one being denied by the control freaks at the Sleaze Party!




http://tiny.cc/qHzE7
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Dave,

Western Isles 24/10/2008 07:59:13
"A Labour spokesman replied: "The bizarre and inaccurate claim by the SNP that any member of Labour Party staff would seriously threaten anyone is simply spin and merely a distraction by their spin-doctors from the real issues in the campaign."

Goes to show you how blinkered Labour are, eh?

LISTEN UP. IT WASN'T THE SNP WHO REPORTED THIS FACT, IT WAS A JOURNALIST. GET IT? A JOURNO, NOT SNP.

Bully boy tactics by Labour apartchicks supported by like minded plutocrats.

The Doors song "This is the End" springs to mind.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 08:50:44
A hard of thinking Labourtory writes:-

“The story is not true, that's the whole point”.

This being the case we will no doubt be hearing soon about the impending libel action being brought by one Rami Okahsa?
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Fettes,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 08:56:10
The Scotsman reported the incident, can they confirm their journalist actually heard the threat or can they give their source for the story ?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

24/10/2008 09:04:14
Ludicrous to think that Labour realise how unpopular they are in Scotland that they send six or sewven armed guards aroond wi their family members !
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roughrider,

Glasgow 24/10/2008 09:11:06
48 Dave,Western Isles.
Spot on.
Who is this liebour spokesman, not willing to attach his name to the denial? Spouting lies that the SNP are making a false claim shows they are as guilty as sin.
The comment was most probably caught on tape and therefore liebour are f**ked.
Liebour are out of control they think they can run amok on the streets with loaded guns telling people who they can and cant talk to.
We have to rid Scotland of these liebour thugs.
I'm glad I wasn't walking past Broons bint with a coffee table leg in a plastic bag.
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Marian,

24/10/2008 09:17:00
Under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown the UK has become a surveillance society with more CCTV cameras than anywhere else in the world. Demonstrating outside Parliament became illegal without prior permission from the police. Blair and Brown have pushed hard to impose ID cards on us all with biometric information and all details about us (including medical) easily accessed by New Labour government departments as well as fraudsters. The right to trial by jury is being eroded, habeas corpus has been suspended.

Yet despite all these measures, the UK is no safer according to the same New Labour government who introduced this Draconian legislation. We are constantly being told of numerous terror threats against us.

We've also seen an 80 year-old heckler manhandled out of a New Labour Party conference and we've seen a woman arrested for reading out the names of people killed in Iraq. The Terrorism Act is used as a catch-all to prevent any sort of dissent. There was even an attempt to pass a law allowing further laws to be made without Parliamentary scrutiny called the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill.

New Labour have proposed that every citizen of the UK should be regarded as suspects by being tagged at birth with the profiling of their DNA, that they should be required to have an ID card with all their biometric data such as photograph/ facial measurements/fingerprints and all this should be tied to a database that records every aspect of a citizen's life.

The New Labour government's database will hold records such as parents, schooling, health, car ownership, house ownership, tax matters, bank accounts, passport, travel records, convictions and cautions, social security, shares held, and phone calls made and received, all will be extractable when needed.

Indeed, with a DNA database, and legislation for presumed consent, we will have the ultimate stacking and racking system that lets the New Labour authorities know who has a body part where and who it ma
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Marian,

24/10/2008 09:17:22
continued........

Indeed, with a DNA database, and legislation for presumed consent, we will have the ultimate stacking and racking system that lets the New Labour authorities know who has a body part where and who it matches up with.

Security will be like that of a totalitarian state, and just like the car numberplate recognition camera's that can read and record your car number as you move about, so they will also track people with face reading software cameras.
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Miss H,

24/10/2008 09:21:15
I am glad Joe Fitzpatrick has done this. I would hope that the comments were made by someone who was just being an ar~e but let's establish that and also establish that it is unacceptable to have people with guns involved in the democratic process!!!!
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roughrider,

Glasgow 24/10/2008 09:24:32
Marian. Good post.
You missed out the bit where liebour control freak Broon wants to waste £12 billion on a system to record every email and every persons browsing activity on the net.
These liebour scum have to be booted out of Scotland and never ever allowed back in.
Independence before its too late.
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Ananurhing,

24/10/2008 09:24:51
What a tragi-comic unedifying spectacle this has all been. You'd think with all these trained marksmen around, Labour could have avoided further foot shooting. Serial podiacide (great word)!
Sarah Brown canvassing,....aye right! Strange take on the phrase Photo shoot. "Take a photo....and we'll shoot!"

The good people of Glenrothes should respond to this cynical exploitation of their doorsteps.
Next time a red rosette knocks on your door, open it with your hands in the air pleading..... " Don't shoot,...we'll vote quietly..... for God's sake there's children in the house"!
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 24/10/2008 09:27:04
#45,I was not referring to the threat to shoot people.I have no idea whether that is true.I was commenting on the fact that Labour only allowed Sarah Brown to speak to people who had clearly been identified as Labour voters.Labour also seemed anxious to prevent the press talking to her.Now I have no issue with Sarah Brown,only many disagreements with her husbands views.She is probably a nice lady and might have done Labour some good if they had allowed her to talk to a range of voters.The degree of control over her visit is reminiscent of the secret visits by cabinet ministers to Glasgow East,in the sense that they also avoided talking to the press. I cannot see the point of this and believe that Labour have only succeeded in making themselves appear to be control freaks.If this story is wrong,then the journalists from the Times and the Scotsman must be telling us lies?While I have a lot of concern about the neutrality of a press that generally supports unionist parties,can they be lying about everything that they reported from Glenrothes?
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Miss H,

24/10/2008 09:27:09
45 I think it is true because it was a very precise quote. I suspect - I hope - that it was a Labour nerd getting carried away with himself and showing off because he likes to feel big and important.

However I also think it is important that we establish that fact, that an apology is made and that all parties agree that such behaviour is completely unacceptable.
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Spoot,

Third rock pool on the left 24/10/2008 09:42:33
#3

I'm entirely in favour of getting less Mr Cameron.
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John S,

24/10/2008 09:43:37
Glenrothes-Sarah Brown-Protection.
The press officer insisted that we must keep well back. “This isn’t what I say,” he said. “This is what the seven men with guns who protect her say.”
The Times October 23, 2008

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Ananurhing,

24/10/2008 09:44:59
#53 Roughrider
"I'm glad I wasn't walking past Broons bint with a coffee table leg in a plastic bag"

Or even vaguely fitting the classic profile of a Brazilian mujahadeen!?????
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WSS,

sandbach 24/10/2008 09:54:33
This was a Labour publicity stunt using Sarah Brown. My question is why were there 7 armed officers covering the event and did we as taxpayers pick up the bill.
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24/10/2008 09:55:19
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Alan B,

24/10/2008 09:59:31
Now that labour are threatening to shoot reporters. What are they going to do to the voters if they do not vote for them.
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24/10/2008 09:59:41
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24/10/2008 10:00:55
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roughrider,

Glasgow 24/10/2008 10:02:30
68 Alan B.
Conscription?
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24/10/2008 10:10:49
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:17:14
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"That's not the way I approach it. The Union to me is about generosity – we're stronger together because we share so much."


Sadly an unequal share. We get less Mr Cameron."

Absolutely we give England all of our resources and they give us some of them back and this is what Cameron refers to as sharing.
Can somebody name a single resource Scotland receives from England?
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tog,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 10:22:59
Lot of fuss about not very much. It is a demonstration of how a little power can go to someones head I suppose. I think they are much bigger ego maniacs involved in the Glenrothes campaign
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Miss H,

24/10/2008 10:26:11
69 Good point well made.
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Dave,

Western Isles 24/10/2008 10:27:50
Looks like Mrs Brown has competition for the affections of her husband judging by the comments at 72 and 75.

It's enough to gie you the boke watching a grown man proclaim love for another married man like that.
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24/10/2008 10:28:04
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 10:31:27
#75 Although they are concepts with which you are clearly unfamiliar I am pleased to see that you have at least heard of them.
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24/10/2008 10:31:58
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24/10/2008 10:33:56
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Miss H,

24/10/2008 10:34:51
77 Agree large egos are not unusual in politics and certainly not in byelections. But seriously, as someone who has campaigned in every parliamentary byelection in Scotland since Govan, guns are not usual!
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24/10/2008 10:35:45
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Miss H,

24/10/2008 10:36:04
72 I can. I reckon I could knock him down with a feather.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

24/10/2008 10:37:49
#72

Strength and stupidity are not a good combination!!

Add a touch of arrogance and you've a disaster.

Alex Salmond however came across as a very able statesman last night on QT.
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Yeah1,

24/10/2008 10:39:54
#74

"Can somebody name a single resource Scotland receives from England?"

£37 billion to save Scotland's banks and thousands of Scottish jobs.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:40:54
75

Is that an example of it?
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:43:19
90

Taken from the 127 billion Scottish GDP I would imagine.
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Dave,

Western Isles 24/10/2008 10:43:40
90

The money doesn't exist. It's printed, made up, fake, non existant.

He's hedging his bets that this cash injection doesn't cause hyper inflation or set about a recession as the cash becomes value-less.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

24/10/2008 10:44:39
Anyway back to the thread about gun wielding thugs threatening members of the public!

Who was the clown doing the threatening??

Will we hear an apology from him or has he already been sectioned under the Mental Health Act??
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/10/2008 10:44:49
The comment was made as a joke - it seems to have flown over the heads of some people.
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Bring it Off,

UK 24/10/2008 10:45:26
This reminds me me of the old Arabic observation that at one time the men walked in front of the women.

Then, after one of the many Arab-Israeli punch-ups, the women started walking in front of the men.

"Women's lib?" somebody asked - "No" came the reply -

"Landmines".

So it must be too dangerous for Brown to go north, so he sends his wife...WHAT A CHICKEN BROWN CAN'T FIGHT YOUR OWN BATTLES SEND YOUR WIFE.

WORST PM IN HISTORY UNELECTED UNWANTED

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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:45:45
95

The money hasnt even been borrowed from abroad yet.
They will probably have to go to the Chinese for it.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 10:46:29
#90 and how are all of you today?
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Miss H,

24/10/2008 10:46:37
97 What comment? The press officer's?

Maybe so, but he's an ar#e if that is the case.

Seriously. A complete and total a#se.

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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:46:50
97

Not surprised you noticed it all of your comments are a joke.
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Dave,

Western Isles 24/10/2008 10:47:25
99

True, or he'll do a Mugabe and print it.
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MickyFinn,

Livingston 24/10/2008 10:48:15
We are British and you know it clap your hands!
The money is for British Banks, HBOS and RBS are British.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:48:50
103

Or he may get Mugabe to print it for him.
Allow himself some deniablity.
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Dave,

Western Isles 24/10/2008 10:49:29
I hear that once Labour force the HBOS Lloyds merger through, everytime you open a new account with them, you get a free handgun and the right to vote.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:49:44
104

Only after it arrives from abroad and only until it gets paid back with interest.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 24/10/2008 10:50:33
90 Yeah1,24.
Is that a proportion of the £250 billion that westmidden has stolen from Scotlands oil.
Not taking into consideration the extorionate taxes they rip us off for every year.
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:51:55
90

So can you name a single resource Scotland receives from England?
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Dave,

Western Isles 24/10/2008 10:52:05
103

Indeed! Plausable deniability! It wuz Mugabe what done did it!

Mockyfinn

The RBS are beyond British, they are global. It's like saying Diageo is Britsh or Irish. It's not really when they own Schwepps, a lot of disterlleries and other drinks manufactuers across the globe.

It's too big to be defined as belonging to a particular country.

Ask the account holders in the Dutch bank Amro (?) if they think thier bank is British as it's owned by RBS.
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MickyFinn,

Livingston 24/10/2008 10:52:13
#107

And just after we paid back the yanks for WW2 loan
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 10:53:25
111

Apparently that loan has been paid off.
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MickyFinn,

Livingston 24/10/2008 11:00:00
#112 I was being sarcastic
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 24/10/2008 11:06:11
113

Good for you.
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Ananurhing,

24/10/2008 11:16:35
#97 The Fed

Right enough! Good gun gags go down really well in the UK these days. Try making one at an airport, or to a policeman.
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24/10/2008 11:19:51
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Yeah1,

24/10/2008 11:30:52
The past few weeks have really shown the SNP in a bad light.

Whilst the rest of the political parties are concentrating on real issues such as the global financial crisis, the SNP are focusing on insignificant policies such as getting Mary Queen of Scots' bones back, getting Kris Boyd back into the Scotland team, and demanding an inquiry into this 'joke' gun comment.

Scotland deserves a government that concentrates on real issues rather than petty and insignificant ones.
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Miss H,

24/10/2008 11:37:24
117 You seem a bit confused.

The SNP is the party of government - but that doesn't mean that every member of the SNP is in the government.
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brownlie,

24/10/2008 11:43:38
117 Yeah1/2/3/4/5

Good morning, Yeah - are you feeling yourself today?

Any news of Gordon's GB Olympic Team or his Britishness day or the stage-managed Olympic medallists victory parade on a day when the economy collapsed?
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Queen D,

Glasgow 24/10/2008 11:43:57
Guido is having a field day!
He has this sorry tale of threat to journalists, and an excellent tale of enormous ,foreign donation to the Labour Party.
I do love Guido!
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TheTerminator,

24/10/2008 11:44:19
UKIP are the ONLY party pledged to reform the smoking ban - they at least will give people a CHOICE.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 11:44:34
117 Scotland does not deserve a government whose claims to economic competence lie in the theory that'we are the people to get you out of this crisis, after all we got you into it.' Your posts passim. Please feel free to pass on these sentiments to Hey and any other of your personalities who may care to join us today.
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subrosa,

24/10/2008 11:48:34
You couldn't make it up could you? London labour and their 'security' have armed personnel in Glenrothes (!).

If I was Mrs Brown I'd be far more wary of my minders than the press.
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Old Holborn,

Londonistan 24/10/2008 11:51:49
His name is Rami Okasha

His email is rokasha@eis.org.uk
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/10/2008 11:59:31
#115 Not saying he was right to do it - in these days it was a crass insensitive thing to joke about. But to say it was a "threat" as some are trying to say is nonsense indeed.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 12:18:13
#126 Fed Rami Okasha is a jumped up student politico from NUS obviously a career in the Labour party is his for the asking. However you have to question the mentality of anyone making comments like this and the judgement of those who employ him.
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brownlie,

24/10/2008 12:30:32
126 The Fed

Strangely enough, the journalists did not regard this as a joke. You would think that, in the sure and certain knowledge that the British police would never shoot anyone who was innocent, they would have realised it was a joke.
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Ananurhing,

24/10/2008 12:31:00
#126 So there's no threat in saying " These guys are armed, and if you don't back off they say they may have to shoot you." I'm paraphrasing, but that's the jist of what was said.

The media were going about their legal business, reporting what's happening in the Glenrothes by election. Sarah Brown chose to put herself out there in public. What a stupid move! There was no exclusion zone, no road closure orders.

I wouldn't have liked to have been a roving reporter or a tail end charlie sound man in these circumstances. Knowing there are Broon's goons wi' guns eyeing you up. Particularly if your skin was of a non Anglo Saxon complexion, you'd feel the cross hairs stand up on the back of your neck.

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Dunfesterin,

Your maw's house 24/10/2008 12:33:15
Yes why not send Rokasha an email or look him up on www.192.com and phone him for a chat? All legal I am sure.

rokasha@eis.org.uk

Just saying... ;-)
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Ananurhing,

24/10/2008 12:35:21
# bring them on

I can assure you, when these guys make the decision to deploy their firearms, they never, ever aim for the thigh. Ever!
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John S,

24/10/2008 12:48:39
Does this mean that Gordon Brown has at least the same level of protection that is seven men with guns ?
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Morry,

Scotland 24/10/2008 12:53:40
Behind every good man there is a woman, behind some bad men there is an equally bad woman.
It's amazing what comes out from behind when there's a lot to lose!
Lets face it, the Broon's have a lot of face to lose.
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 12:56:10
Seven men with guns lets see Steve McQueen, James Coburn, Robert Vaughan, Yul Brinner, Horst Bucholtz Charles Bronson and another one.
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JCA REID,

Annan 24/10/2008 13:01:16
GB won't use his kids to promote himdelf/Labour but using his wife is a different matter! Re. comment #72 that Brown is the right man to see us through this mess - he's partly responsible for it!! & as for his strength - anybody can see a financial problem & through £50billion at it. & then there's the next....it's a smaller problem I'll through only £30billion at it, should make it go away. Ooops a bigger problem has come around, I'll need to through £70billion at it. Easy. & as for him being a man of strength, give over...he has feet of clay. Only looking out for number 1 & what can I get out of it & screw the rest!
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Graeme2,

Aberdeen 24/10/2008 13:02:21
It is really simple, and it should not matter if the person is a Labour supporter or not. He should be charged with using threatening behaviour and breach of the peace.

So, all you reporters who were witness to this incident let us see you uphold the rule of law.

I will not be holding my breath.
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Marga,

Fife 24/10/2008 13:47:50
Slightly off topic, but interesting article in the Times, in case you haven't seen it, on Darling immediately before using terrorism laws against Iceland:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article5005572.ece

Chancellor accuses Iceland of lying over health of its financial sector


Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, accused Iceland's Trade Minister of lying about the health of the country's banks in a telephone conversation at the height of Iceland's financial crisis.

But a transcript of the conversation, revealed last night on Iceland's state-owned television channel RUV, undermined Mr Darling's claim that Iceland had refused to honour its commitment to protect British savers.

Comments include:

Agree with Stephen, when the government passes laws it's always that you have nothing to fear if you've done nothing wrong. But then the power is abused.

Same story, different setting. Abuse of power.
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Calvinist,

24/10/2008 13:56:58
Shoot members of the media! What an excellent idea. But why stop there? Why not shoot hedge-fund managers, bankers, economists, accountants, lawyers and, last but not least, politicians of all hues: i.e. all persons who live parasitically on the labour of others and make a minimal contribution to society.
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24/10/2008 13:57:09
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Davie08,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 14:03:27
I see they are advetising on this site for JPs. I quite fancy it now. I am sure you could bang up this Okashi bloke 'for conduct liable...'
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Ananurhing,

24/10/2008 14:09:29
Since when have Labour apparatchiks been able to invoke emergency powers on a politically motivated whim?
Sarah Brown put herself out there, on the street for the sole purpose of being photographed and filmed. She certainly wasn't canvassing.

Is she really a PR guru? How could they get it so wrong? 'Tis the curse of Broon's nail bitten, clunk fisted anti Midas touch again! Everything he touches turns to cr*p!


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Dave,

Western Isles 24/10/2008 14:26:15
SNP: Vote for us. We are big on ideas, little on action but really do have your best interests at heart.

Tories: Vote for us: We know we are cr*p but what's your best alternative?

Lib-dums: Vote for us. We will legalise all that is bad or naughty.

Labour: Vote for us. Or we'll shoot you.
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brownlie,

24/10/2008 15:08:38
143 Dave

Your neighbour will be chapping your door with his claymore!!
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Dave,

Western Isles 24/10/2008 15:10:23
Brownlie

Ach he's been rattling his sabre for months noo. He's due for a touch of reality when he gets back! ;-)
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HEN BROON 15,

24/10/2008 15:22:29
#61: come again, Duncan! You do know that your culty belief system isn't welcome here, don't you?

ABU DA GRAIDH
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aedis,

Glasgow 24/10/2008 15:43:27
It amazes me that the Labour spin doctor is accusing the SNP of spin!

Far from being a bizarre and unaccurate claim by the SNP, it's a claim made by The Scotsman, backed up by The Times, and no doubt all the other journalists that heard Rami Okasha overstep his mark.

All the SNP MSP was doing was calling for a Labour inquiry.

I think that the least that could happen. Mr. Okasha could be charged by the police, for instance.

It just shows the Labour Party will try and spin anything; even its own press officers threatening that journalists 'may be shot'!
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Alan B,

24/10/2008 16:11:17
#aedis

Yes labour blame the snp for a labour press officer threatening to shoot journalists. You could not make it up.
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Alan B,

24/10/2008 16:56:32
#Shredder

How in any way can labour blame the snp for a labour press officer threatening to shoot reporters? It is simply ridiculous.

The scotsman journalist yesterday that broke the story in the scotman was obviously furious with labour over this issues. And remember the scotsman is pro labour and anti snp in its editorial view.

So how can you justify your post.

Labour have said that the snp are lying over this. However as we know the scotsman journalist pressent reported it. So why do you think it is ok for labour to accuse other of lying to cover up what happened.

Do you think it is ok for labour spokesmen to tell journalist to move or they will get shot?

If it is was a joke then why were the journalists annoyed. Why not apologise and say it was only a joke? They have not and that is sinister. You are talking about a labour press officer thinking he could get away with ordering people about and he nneds to be held accountable.
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Alan B,

24/10/2008 17:03:15
For it to be a joke your audience needs to think it is funny or intended to be funny.

If the press and the labour huddle are annoyed at each other due labour trying to ensure Mrs Brown is not asked questions etc. You do not turn round and say all these guys are armed and will shoot now move.

We have to put this in context aswell. They are armed why? Is this normal? If they are armed it is because they expect a threat on her life. As such such a joke is not in good taste. We have still got the whole mendez affair being investigated and disgussed as such talk about shoot journalists and anyothers around the labour huddle who will not all be journalists is a dangerous game to play.
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Lundavra,

Fort William 24/10/2008 18:02:28
Surely he has committed a criminal offence by threatening to have people shot even if they were journalists?

The police should charge him and if the Labour party have any honour they will sack him immediately but we know they won't.

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Alan B,

24/10/2008 18:11:32
Atleast the journalists were not carrying a table leg. The met policy have experience in killing dead Scots carrying around bits of furniture.
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brownlie,

24/10/2008 18:38:33
156 Hoots

I think it was Brad .........??
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 22:41:37
We should re-read Mr Cameron's comments, they are very interesting, particularly:

"He refused to be drawn on whether an SNP victory in Glenrothes would damage the Union......"

Anyone who can't see the significance of that statement send me your phone number on the back of a £20 note and I'll fill in the gaps.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 22:42:19
ps. LOL
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JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 00:25:58
Mr Cameron criticised the SNP for being 'too Scottish' it would be 'far better if they kept their mouths shut and pretended we were all in this together' opined the pompous public school pillock who was visiting the constituency to pretend his useless unknown of a candidate might save his deposit.

'I suppose the Scots might be able to afford independence as they are the fourth largest oil producing country in Europe, but we would really prefer they kept giving their money to us while we decide their foreign policy and spend cash pretending we are still a world player' opined the Tories Blair Mark II.

He added 'The people must vote for me as I have a much nicer hair style than that nasty Mr Brown and as for that awful Jock Salmond, oh dear, let's just say we don't like his way of telling the truth about uncomfortable facts.'
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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 25/10/2008 02:17:35
some of the rubbish on here and the rest of the press they deserve to be shot to put them out of their misery
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Jess The Dog,

The Parliamentary Constituency of Glenrothes 25/10/2008 13:28:41
Hilarious! The boy is what those who have served in the Armed Forces would call a "walt" or Walter Mitty. He gives Barry George a run for his money as a firearms fantasist. Bet the armed cops just love him!

http://jess-the-dog.blogspot.com/2008/10/bravado-two-zero.html
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Jolly,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 19:24:55
Union v Independence/Union v Independence/ Union v Independence.
Such variety in these columns!!

 

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