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Published Date: 15 May 2008
A ROW has broken out over the creation of Scotland's first faith-based police group.
The Muslim Police Association (MPA) is being set up in Strathclyde, which has about 30 Muslim officers, and it has the backing of Chief Constable Steven House.

But the government-funded organisation that represents black and minority ethnic (BME
) officers in Scotland says creating the MPA will "weaken" the voice of multiculturalism within the police service.

Semperscotland, which was formed five years to help eradicate institutional racism within the service, says the new association threatens to damage its ability to support the country's 200 BME officers and improve relations between the police and the diverse minority communities.

Dilawer Singh, who chairs Semperscotland, said: "I think the ethnic groups' cause as a whole will be better served if we have one group, as opposed to lots of different bodies."

Amar Shakoor, the Strathclyde constable who was Scotland's first Muslim officer, is spearheading the MPA plan. Yesterday, a request by The Scotsman to speak to him was turned down by Strathclyde Police.

But it is understood the association is being set up to provide Muslim officers with more support and improve relations between the police and the Muslim community, which were tested after last year's terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport.

Last week, PC Shakoor, a former member of Semperscotland, said his aim was to "put Islam in a positive light and tackle some of the Islamophobia".

Other Muslim officers and leading figures in the wider faith community say PC Shakoor's aims are laudable. But some are uneasy, believing it could be a divisive move and damage progress made to increase understanding of different minority cultures within the police.

Mr Singh, who became Scotland's first Asian police officer in 1968, insisted people had "every right" to form their own interest groups.

But he said: "Semperscotland stands for multi-ethnic issues, but we are not a large number. If we want to be effective, then it's common sense that we are united.

"We are much more effective if we are one voice, instead of ten different voices.

"There are so many other different faiths. I cannot stop them. It's their right to speak up. But I think that will weaken what we are trying to achieve.

"I think the ethnic groups' cause as a whole will be better served if we have one body, as opposed to lots of different groups, which will dilute the message."

He went on: "There was never any issue about us saying: 'We will not do this, we will not do that'. I'm not against any organisation. We attend many functions for the Muslim community."

While some Muslim officers in Strathclyde support creating their own association, others are against the move.

One officer, who did not want to be named, said: "Look what happened to the Scottish Socialist Party when they divided. The same will happen to us."

Another Muslim officer, Irfan Majid, a detective constable from Lothian and Borders, said: "Creating further smaller associations does inevitably weaken a previously strong voice.

"The problem is the slowing down of the progress which could be made, and continues to be made, with a united voice. Do BME staff now join Semper, or do they join the MPA? Or, indeed, do they join both? These are the questions BME staff will face and it is not unlikely they may ultimately favour the option of avoiding politics and not joining either, which will defeat the purpose of creating a voice for BME staff in the first place."

But Councillor Hanzala Malik, of the Strathclyde police board, said the MPA could help police to "recognise community issues".





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  • Last Updated: 14 May 2008 9:49 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Law and Order
 
1

truthsleuth,

15/05/2008 01:04:39
If A muslim group of Police Officers and Association of Black police officers can be formed surely this constitutes an offence under the discrimination laws and the Equalities Commission should be investigating.

Of course if they can be formed then why not an Ascociation of White Police Officers etc etc.

There is something wrong if any of the above are permitted
Of course they could add in their 'mission statement'
that
'they are an equal opportunities organisation .......
2

Singlepoint,

Fife 15/05/2008 01:09:48
No one can put Islam in a positive light: too late.
3

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15/05/2008 01:35:27
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4

Fanling,

Switzerland 15/05/2008 01:40:34
Chief Constable Steven House is some kind of starry-eyed fool if he imagines that this move will work, far less that it will have any credence. The very notion of a Muslim Police Association is distasteful and is a recipe for antagonism. I already hear "rights, rights and more rights" in the offing. For them, that is, to the exclusion of the greater community.

When this story first broke a week or so ago, I concluded that the very notion was dangerous. Hardly surprising then that there is "dissent in the ranks." Police force segments with separate agendas within the greater body - especially those of "faith", and most especially a Muslim group - are an explosion waiting to happen. An utterly irresponsible move by a Chief Constable whose first duty is to the public at large, and not to alien interest groups who cannot (and evidently will not) fit in to the general scheme of things. What a p!sspot of a country Scotland is becoming.



5

W Smith,

Middle East 15/05/2008 04:04:33
Didn't the SNP's Osama Saeed say that mulims are better served by pressure groups?

How long before the muslim police officers start complaining about 'discrimination'?

We should all know where this is going by now.

BTW
The only Gulf nation that employs Pakistani's as policemen is Bahrain.

That's because the Pakistani's are Sunni, like the royal family, while the majority of the population in Bahrain (around 65%) are Shia.

So the local arab Shia's are 'discrminated' against in the police force as they may want to overthrow the minority Sunni ruling class.

The Pakistani Embassy in Bahrain has never complained about this as its a form of 'discrimation' that works in their community's favour.
6

rozzerwatch2 ,

15/05/2008 06:36:39
However, all police officers of whatever gender, orientation, race and belief are represented by the Scottish Police Federation through statute and I fail to see the need for various self interest groups who divert valuable attention from real policing and community issues to single interest membership issues. Inevitably, self report studies by a publicly funded academic will no doubt support whatever claim they may care to make. Among these groups are BAWP, Gay Police Association, Christian Police Association, Association of Black Police Officers etc. etc.. Where will it all end? The Association for Ginger Haired, left handed, Nail Biting Misandrist Police Officers?
Time to call a halt to these internal "industries" who continue to divert yet more officers from front line duties to meetings, groups and seminars and further dilute the service to ALL members of the public. The Police Federation is your representative body, funded and supported by government and statute in pay, negotiations, conditions and discipline.
It says a lot when even SEMPER register their opposition to this. Having said that, SEMPER have no statutory right to represent anyone as the Scottish Police Federation does.
As for the Chief Constable with his shiny new PC ideas, just concentrate on crime prevention and public protection and give the public what they really want - freedom from fear of crime.
7

M.T.,

15/05/2008 07:11:18
"Dilawer Singh, who chairs Semperscotland, said: "I think the ethnic groups' cause as a whole will be better served if we have one group, as opposed to lots of different bodies.""

Totally agree!

Call it Strathclyde Police!

Let it include men and women. These Police Officers should all be different. They should have different ages, politics, religious beliefs, marital status etc. but they should all have one aim. This is to uphold the law and protect the public, all the public.
8

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 15/05/2008 07:36:18
The article's wrong. This is not the first 'faith based' Police group. It is predated by the Christian Police Association and the Catholic Police Guild by many years.

The sooner the Police stop trying to Police by gimmick, the better. BTW #8, your attempt at sarcasm is way off the mark. The masons don't feature in the job any more - the big thing is the Rotary Club and has been for years.
9

Guga II,

Rockall 15/05/2008 07:38:17
#8. They have, they just don't publicise it.
10

carrottop,

Dumfries 15/05/2008 08:22:08
Excuse me if I thought multiculturalism was different peoples working together but I have grown to realise that it is a smokescreen which different groups use to enable them to set up their own communities within others. (and take all the cash subsidy the lefties throw at them).
Before I left East London we had different care homes for individual races, big advice centre supposedly for everone taken over by gays, 'free' discos for certain groups, community centres for communities of a specific race only and to cap it all at election time the usual Labout policy of appealing to individual races or groups to vote for them and they would be looked after.
When are people going to realise that when people say 'multiculturalism' now they mean promoting my group at the expense of the community.
11

carrottop,

15/05/2008 08:23:31
'Labout' should read Labour, I must have been thinking layabout.
12

oder,

Scotland 15/05/2008 08:46:29
in South Africa there are 16 different languages, the kids were sent to school according to their home language, it was called "Apartheid" and it was condemned by the world as wrong, why are they creating this type of apartheid in the police force now? is it government policy or police policy to save multi cultural Scotland by introducing apartheid? why not go the whole hog?Muslim police in Muslim areas Black police in Black areas White police in white areas! ooh! I withdraw the last one about white areas there are no white areas in Scotland all are multiracial, one has to be a member of a minority group to justify introducing apartheid, the politicians/policy makers have lost the plot!
13

GraniteCity,

15/05/2008 08:49:23
Its Ok folks....when you get stopped, questioned or arrested by these Muslim bobbies you will then be able to play the 'race card' sighting harrassment and racial discrimination against your colour of skin as the black and minority (minority seems a bit of a myth in some areas these days incidentally) have done for years to wriggle out of things.
I always did think it curious that we can have an Association of Black Police Officers and The Society of Black Solicitors and a Black Music Awards et al yet if we formed any of this with the word White in it we would be classed as fascist racist who can't intigrate.
14

john z,

edinburgh 15/05/2008 09:02:37
What are Strathclyde police thinking. A religious police group. These will be the guys who ultimately will enforce Sharia law.

Are these the police who will refuse to help a gay man who has been attacked, or a prostitute who has been attacked, because their religion forbids it??? Wake up.

In minneapolis airport in the USA, taxi drivers will refuse to take you in their cab if you are carrying alcohol in your duty free, as it is against their Muslim religious beliefs, which are protected by law.

The chief constable of Strathclyde is an utter clown if he does not realise the problems he is going to create with this group.

The police in Scotland are supposed to be above politics and religion, and it has no part in our law.

Am I the only person who can see what these Muslim police are up to????

When I call the police, can I request a non muslim officer, as I (like most sane people) find the Muslim religion's views on homosexuals and women to be extremely retarded, offensive and barbaric.

My understanding is, when you join the police in Scotland, you leave your political and religious views outside the door. This is a very. very dangerous development indeed.
15

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/05/2008 09:37:48
This is not a "Dangerous development" at all...that is melodramatic hysteria....there are probably other reasons for a Muslim Association within the police force, but if it assists in community work, particularly with younger muslims, then great...go for it...

When you join the police service you swear an oath to uphold Scots law...I have seen someone try to use the religious "Can't do that cos..." in the police service...they tried it once and only once...never again...
16

osama,

Pollokshields 15/05/2008 10:03:15
#3 Ard Righ, The Rock Of Edinburgh



"these scum should be thrown in jail to remind them not to tempt the country they sleep in."


WHY?

I would say to you 'Ard Righ' your beliefs are not welcome in the Scottish Nationalist Party.


[Let not hatred towards any people incite you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to piety.] (Al-Ma’idah 5:8)
17

Conway,

15/05/2008 10:05:47
Church or Faith and State should be seperate,As employees of the Government any religious organisation shouldnt be funded by the taxpayer. If certain groups Christian,Muslim whatever ! they can form groups as long as its in there own time and funded out of there own pocket.
18

Lillig,

15/05/2008 10:37:14
No 6 - Rozzerwatch2- agreed.

It is one thing for there to be "out of working hours" groups such as the Christian Police Association or the Police Bowling Group or even the Police Crochet Club. These interest groups are useful for cohesion. And not all religious groups are exclusive or evangelical.

It is quite another to create the MPA as a Task Group within the Force. This will undoubtedly lead to Muslims believing it is their right to speak only to this Task Force, not to the main Force. That is divisive. Where might it end. The Hindus and Sikhs might like to have their own Task Forces, as might the Italians, the Polish and the Chinese. Are we to divide the Police Force according to religious and cultural groups? Very bad move. Raising awareness in the Police Forces through education and with the employment from all walks of life, is a much better method.

For the sake of unity, clarity and fairness, listen to the people who are closest - Semperscotland. The MPA might in the end have the opposite to the desired effect. It could increase racism.

Also take into account that this is discriminatory. I don't believe that the notion of "positive" discrimination has any real value. By discriminating "positively" in favour of one group of people means by definition that you have to deny/discriminate "negatively" against another.

Listen also to Scottish people. Many are beginning to feel marginalised with each interest group being able to break down the idea of integration and political correctness ( I hate pc), whilst the rest of us have to behave and talk in a certain way, muzzled, not allowed to voice our concerns. lest we be accused of racism.

When in "Rome" do as the "Romans" do. If you don't want to do what the "Romans" do, don't go to "Rome".
19

Nikostratos,

15/05/2008 10:48:14
#20

Pardon me but wasn't Rome a society based on slave labour. I suppose you could say when in Nazi Germany you should obey there laws.
20

Sanny,

15/05/2008 12:35:56
This is still a secular society and all citizens are equal. There are no division for religious or ethnic reasons. If any particular person or group do not find this to their liking or is against some religious or ethnic principle then they should exercise their freedom to leave this country for one that is more in line with their principles.

All policemen should belong to the same association and they should leave their religion and ethnic origin at home and not bring it into the workplace. Anything else is racism and is illegal!
21

Nikostratos,

15/05/2008 12:46:51
#22

Does that mean any scots who do not accept the present 'union' should leave the United Kingdom or are peoples to be allowed to democratically change what they find as oppressive within society.
22

sam the god,

15/05/2008 13:41:35
If they are aloud to get a muslim police association and I believe there is a black police association then they want to create a white police association. So much for multicultural and integration these people are doing the exact opposite by making divides. How long before as one poster stated if you get stopped (white person) by either of these factions of the police cites the race card. This latest move to create a muslim police association will do nothining but create Islamophobia.
23

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15/05/2008 14:23:36
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24

Boy Wonder,

15/05/2008 14:27:30
This is just SO wrong on SO many levels!

It's pandering to a religious minority, in a secular country! Or are Catholic and Proddy polis being considered too?

Whatever ... it is WRONG!!!
25

Black Beard,

15/05/2008 15:18:44
This sounds like an effort to divide, instead of unify, the officers.

This may also lead to requests for special treatment for Muslim officers which of course will lead to resentment. I can imagine them asking to not deal with jakies, or not having to clean up cells and cars soiled by infidels.


18 I know what the Koran has to say about me, and it's not nice.

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them
26

'Smee',

Can. 15/05/2008 15:23:08
Any internal 'Groups' - no matter what the organization - is WRONG. only causes more discrimination - which no one actually wants.
Multiculturalism is not good - anywhere! The Police Force is one unit and should be kept as such.
I am so disturbed by what is happening in my Country of birth - in every area.
Britain is no longer 'Great' - it is a very sad state of affairs.
27

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 15/05/2008 17:58:05
I see the truth has no place on these forums,

Comment 3 removed

The police are an arm of the law, Scots law, it is not multi-faith. End of Story.

Did anyone save Comment 3, please post it again.
28

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/05/2008 18:33:21
Och stop with the outrage and the end is nigh crap...what can you expect eh?...the police service is rife with institutional racism..rife with it...I worked with cops who referred to people as "n*ggers"..."jungle bunnies".."p*kis"...etc etc etbliddy cetera...asian officers have been on the receiving end of victimisation and bullying/alienation from their colleagues since they began joining the service...and now with the fall out from Iraq even more resentment will be levelled not just towards those that are muslim but those who have a different colour of skin....as you sow so ye shall reap....so think on that folks...this is why us whites do not need to form 'white police associations'....because we were never outnumbered by the blacks and asians in the first place!!....nor on the receiving end of "I dont want to work with that whitey!" its kind of logical....as for comment 28...we better make sure that they dont get police issue samurai swords then eh?...now that could be catastrophic!!
29

John Blackley,

Florida 15/05/2008 18:45:10
I wonder what would happen if I phoned the polis and, after reporting a crime, said, "I'd like only Christian police officers please - as I'm a Christian and I want someone sensitive to my cultural needs."?
30

Biker,

Ayr 15/05/2008 20:15:23
#36 She was a copper so I guess she knows.
31

Black Beard,

15/05/2008 20:35:54
38 I think she may be seeing the negative of the image instead of the actual photo.

33 I would love to see the police walking around with samurai swords. Ninja throwing stars too. That'd keep the yobs and neds in line I imagine.

The reason I quoted the Koran is simple; I was refuting the garbage Osama @18 was trying to foist on people. I suppose we're just supposed to ignore what that book has to say about us then? Or maybe we're just supposed to give those "Islam is a religion of peace" quotes a pass in the name of multiculturalism.
32

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/05/2008 20:53:35
35...You are just a tad naive my friend...you have no idea what lurks behind the public image of the police service....

Answer this...prior to the invasion or Iraq and 9/11...why were we not all running around sqwuaking "evil muslims, evil muslims"?....like plenty of us do now eh?....and droning on about it?....

...fear, thats your problem...I dont agree with a lot of muslim cultural issues...halal food...the treatment of women...but I know they aint waiting to chop my friggin head off and if they ever demand Sharia Law in Britain I'll be in the queue to demand they dont get it...but many of the comments above are just knee jerk reactions to something that you helped create in the first place...
33

Biker,

Ayr 16/05/2008 10:29:56
Black Douglas. Actually the muslim comunity leaders in Blackburn and other areas have indeed shown support for the government and against the bombers ect.

 

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