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MacAskill calls for 'common sense' solution to pram ban



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Published Date: 02 September 2008
JUSTICE Secretary Kenny MacAskill has called for a "common sense" solution to Lothian Buses' controversial pram ban.
Mr MacAskill staged what he said were "productive" talks with the bus company over the issue, in his capacity as MSP for Edinburgh East and Musselburgh.

And he said he was hopeful a solution would be found.

Mr MacAskill's intervention comes as
parents continue their campaign to persuade Lothian Buses to accept prams, provided there is no-one using the wheelchair space.

More than 100 people have signed a new petition which has been launched on the Scottish Parliament website.

Mr MacAskill said today: "Lothian Buses are trying to engage with parents and we are trying to work towards a solution. We've got to balance wheelchair access to buses with access for parents.

"We need to allow drivers to use their common sense. There's a difference between a crowded bus at peak times and one where there is plenty of space for a pram or buggy."

Lothian Buses first came under fire last month for refusing to allow a mother on board in the city centre because she had a pram.

She was told it was company policy only to allow foldable buggies on buses to ensure space for wheelchair users was always available and drivers therefore complied with the Disability Discrimination Act.

The incident sparked outrage among parents across the Capital who insist they travelled freely with prams for years, unaware of any "pram ban".

They argued that in the event of a wheelchair user needing space – something they say rarely occurs – they would get off, ensuring priority was given to that person.

But Lothian Buses insists it has always been its policy not to allow prams on board, but that many drivers only recently began to enforce it, following clarification from management.

A company spokesman confirmed the Justice Secretary had been in talks with Lothian Buses regarding many issues, including the pram ban, but claimed that Mr MacAskill supported the company's position.

The company says at least 300 wheelchair users travel with Lothian Buses every day.

The spokesman said: "Mr MacAskill was happy with what we are doing and what our policy is.

"He supports what we are doing, believing it is common sense because of the number of wheelchair users we have."





The full article contains 391 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 02/09/2008 11:49:54
All carrycots and pushchairs should be foldable. Have aluminuum hooks on the front of the bus. pushchairs etc to be hooked on prior to mounting the bus.That way the driver can keep his eyes on Mum's getting on and off his chariot. Whatever happened to helping one another? ie someone assisting Mum's or the elderly. We were all young once and don't forget we will all become old and infirm. Points to ponder for many.
2

allknowing,

02/09/2008 12:07:14
Thats the problem, the mums dont have commonsense, or they wouldnt be in this situation.

3

The Judge,

02/09/2008 12:18:52
I'd rather Kenny spent a little more time dealing with the thugs & bampots roaming the streets rather than wasting time on a few selfish mothers who won't obey the rules.
4

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02/09/2008 12:19:47
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allknowing,

02/09/2008 12:24:08
#4I dont own a vitara, and my shopping trips arent to Waitrose!!! I may pop in for a quicm sandwich on my way home/lunch etc.

Do you actully have anything interesting to say? Didnt think so.

Mums should be able to find other means of transport bar the bus!!! This doesnt automatically mean car as you will no doubt jump on, but being able to stay mobile without relying on one method of transport. I really dont see how you can disagree with that. Commonsense to me!

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02/09/2008 12:30:48
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Alan B,

02/09/2008 12:33:19
#allknowing

So how is a mother meant to get to work without using the bus or car?

Normally you would use creche near work as they tend to shut by 6pm and in a normal job (9-5:30) there is not way to guarantee being back by that time.

During the day buses are not going to be that busy anyway.



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allknowing,

02/09/2008 12:35:39
#6

Ha ha, now you are resorting to lies, your a great debater arent you!!

Tell you what, why dont you link, on here, to all the times I have said i owna vitara, and go shopping in waitrose!!! Go on, i dare you!

Anyway, who said anything about taxis??? Is your world full of cars and taxis??? Public transport is for the masses, not the one or two people who want to travel with massive tanks with babys in them. You are the bafoon. Enjoy the bus trip home tonight, Liar!
9

allknowing,

02/09/2008 12:36:33
#7 where did i say she couldnt use the car!!! Read the post again, sigh!
10

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02/09/2008 12:42:32
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Alan B,

02/09/2008 12:47:20
#allknowing

"where did i say she couldnt use the car"

You had previously said.

"This doesnt automatically mean car "

What is the problem with a woman having a pram going to work using the bus? Yes i can understand using smaller prams. But even that is very difficult in practice to put up and down a pram on your own carrying a sleeping baby and then carry both onto a bus.

That is why the woman has to nick my car every day :)
12

allknowing,

02/09/2008 12:48:58
#10 yes you wont because you lie!!! And yes, i will enjoy my sarnie, very nice they are too!

#11 Where in that quote did i say they cant use cars?
13

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/09/2008 12:51:09
Why is this non-story categorised under "Politics"?
14

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 12:53:56
The spokesman said: "Mr MacAskill was happy with what we are doing and what our policy is. He supports what we are doing, believing it is common sense because of the number of wheelchair users we have."

So in other words, the Gnat is doing nothing to change the situation, just indulging in a bit of populist showboating to get his name in the paper.

If the Gnats were seriously concerned about this, they could do something about it - they currently co-run the city after all. And if they think, as many people do, that Lothian Transport's policy is correct, they should have the courage of their political convictions to come out and say so instead of trying to play at being both in Government and in opposition at the same time - as per usual.

Shysters.
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02/09/2008 12:54:51
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subrosa,

02/09/2008 13:21:31
What's wrong with having a folding pram for using public transport. Some of today's prams aren't buggies in the least. Yes it's not easy having to lift a sleeping child out then fold a pram but usually someone will help if they see you struggle. Or don't people bother these days? They did when my children were young.
17

Clen Peapus,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 13:24:49
Observe the single male trolls at #1 - #3. These guys have very little hope of a relationship, never mind procreation, with the opposite sex. Hence the apparent aversion to mothers and children going about the activities of normal daily life. Their only opportunity for social engagement and pleasure, sadly, is these forums. ;-)
18

Beergut,

Embra 02/09/2008 13:38:04
I suspect the real reason is that drivers have been subjected to abuse when asking mothers to vacate a space for a wheelchair user so to solve the problem they just don't let the prams on. I know it's a hassle folding a pushchair and carrying a bairn but at least it is possible for them. It isn't an option for a wheelchair user.
19

raythebear,

edinburgh 02/09/2008 13:48:23
I have still never seen anyone getting on a bus turned away with a pram
20

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/09/2008 14:26:56
#20 Mario, the question is, why do women wear perfume and makeup?
21

pofi,

02/09/2008 14:55:42
#21, that is exactly the reason why the Pram Ban has taken place; because of the stubbornness of some refusing to fold their prams or vacate the bus if the pram is unfoldable.
If the "outraged" mothers directed their ire on those amongst them who let their side down instead of running to MSPs and the EEN then progress might be made.
What is Mr MacAskill expected to do? Change the law in favour of discriminating against the disabled?!
22

Pacob75,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 15:45:15
How the heck did it take TWO journalists to churn out this rubbish?

Another day, another NON-STORY!
23

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 02/09/2008 15:49:46
#27 - "How the heck did it take TWO journalists to churn out this rubbish?"

...and one of them is called Salmond. Shome mishtake shurely?
24

Andanotherthing,

02/09/2008 15:50:24
looks like Lothian Buses are corect in the policy of not allowing non folding pram in wheelchair spaces. If they were wrong, someone in authority would have pulled them up by now. Wonder why Ms Molllison and other EEN staff are anti Lothian Buses. Have they lost a previous encounter with Lothian Buses and trying to get even? It would appear that without Lothian Buses Ms Mollison would be unable to write and would be out of a job.

25

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02/09/2008 16:38:41
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 02/09/2008 18:05:00
What happens if you're a disabled mum with a pram?
27

walter,

02/09/2008 18:19:59
She was told it was company policy only to allow foldable buggies on buses to ensure space for wheelchair users was always available and drivers therefore complied with the Disability Discrimination Act.
This is exactly where the problem lies, ensuring one person is not discriminated against leads to another person being discriminated against.
The laws rules and regulations that flow from Brussels do not allow for common sense.
28

Miles,

Better here in Glasgow 02/09/2008 18:43:49
Lothian Transport should take more positive action to remedy the situation and introduce free contraception for all women of child bearing age together with a free travel pass within the region that they cover. Less arguments about accommodating push chairs.

There is an alternative - but it might be the final solution.
29

Dr DoGood,

edinburgh 02/09/2008 19:32:26
29 the EEN have always had a grievence with Lothian Buses even when the public agree with what the company are doing ...what you have to think of is what is the EEN alternative to Lothian Buses
FIRST BUS...... smelly ramshackled old vehicles.....
...... might turn up if driver feels like it.....allow chips and burgers on no problem..think off the stench ......as many bairns and buggies as you want ..... no seats for anyone else....to many peolple at the bus stop driver running late not anymore your still standing he's gone home.......
thats what we would get with first bus Lothian have won awards for giving the public good clean buses and as a reliable service as they can but that not good enough for the EEN to say well done you do our city proud no the usual negative from response from our local rag is all we get ... so think folks your choice .... a service you can use in comfort and mostly reliable or EEN choice FIRST know my choice
30

Applecrumble,

Balerno 02/09/2008 22:14:59
Buses Buses Buses Lothian Buses buses Buses rubbishy Busses Buses Buses.
Ahhhh we always loooove complaining about the buses here don't we? me especially xD
31

Julian.,

edinburgh 03/09/2008 01:02:39
#34 Walter,

What's this got to do with Brussels?

I've got a constructive solution for Kenny Mackaskill...stop the EEN publishing these stories.
32

tertee,

03/09/2008 08:51:28
300 wheelcairs a day spread among how many terminus to terminus bus journeys per day Come on Lothian Buses do you maths thats a lot of empty space that could be used By needy mothers.
33

tertee,

03/09/2008 08:52:41
excuse misspellings above just rushing out.
34

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 04/09/2008 03:39:35
#19Clen Peapus,Edinburgh. Troll? Single?No relationships etc. Away and play with yourself. I have sired and brought up 3 kids,who have four university degrees between them.The comment made about the hooks on the front of the bus, worked brilliantly in Auckland,New Zealand for decades.
As for many of the so called 'mothers' who are complaining about the buses. Had UK still the Nuclear family and exponential relatives. Mum's could leave the children with her parents or grandparents.The problem with many is they are selfish, self-centred individuals who expect to be treated like royalty by everyone after giving birth.Solutions are a two way street.When will the 'poor down trodden mothers,use some of that redundant grey matter between their ears and come up with one themselves? "Oh! NO, that's no my job" I hear them say. Then perhaps parenthood is not yours!

 

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