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I'll launch legal bid to take Berwick back into Scotland, says Salmond



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Published Date: 18 February 2008
ALEX Salmond would start legal moves to bring Berwick back under Scottish control if the town's residents voted to leave England in a referendum, it emerged yesterday.
A spokesman for the First Minister said borders were "fluid" and there were precedents from around the world of towns changing hands from one government to another.

He was responding to the results of a new poll of residents in Berwick-upon-Tweed
which found a clear majority in favour of becoming part of Scotland.

The survey for ITV1's Tonight programme saw 1,182 voters in favour of becoming part of Scotland (more than 60 per cent) and 775 in favour of staying in England.

The programme, to be screened in Scotland tomorrow night and south of the Border tonight, said the poll reflected "concerns" about better services including free personal care for the elderly, better access to new medicines, the absence of upfront university tuition fees, and the promise of free school meals for young children.

The findings follow a similar poll on the Berwick Advertiser newspaper website in which 78 per cent said they would like to see the town return north of the Border.

In a checkered history, the town changed hands more than 13 times between 1147 and 1482.

Producers of the TV programme said the poll turnout of 1,957 votes compared to some 3,800 in the last local elections.

A spokesman for Mr Salmond said: "If there was an official referendum, there is no administration, no matter what party is in charge, who would not take Berwick back. It would be foolhardy for Westminster to ignore the wishes of the people. If there was a vote in favour, we would respect that self-determination and make the necessary representation to Westminster.

"Borders are fluid and there would have to be negotiations, but there are precedents for this happening from around the world."

Writing in a Sunday newspaper, the First Minister said it was clear that there was "significant support" for Berwick to become Scottish, but he said it was wrong to see the debate solely in terms of public services and money.

Mr Salmond said: "We prefer to look on the views of the people of Berwick as an indication they prefer the policy programme of Edinburgh to the diktat of faraway London."

And he added: "We have no territorial ambitions for any part of England. But if it were to be agreed by Westminster that the views of the people of Berwick should be respected, I am sure any government in Edinburgh would be happy to welcome them home."

Michael Ross, a former policeman from Berwick, who headed the pro-Scotland campaign for votes, said: "Berwick is a very special place and I think it is largely forgotten within England."

Barbara Herdman, a former teacher, campaigned in the town for a pro-English vote and for a change in how public spending is allocated across the UK.

"The Scots are getting more money than we are. I'm not saying that the Scots should not get what they get, but that we should get the same," she said.

The programme-makers said: "The government funding formulas for the national regions are increasingly a subject of great debate for politicians and social commentators, particularly since the SNP, who are campaigning for Scottish independence, came to power.

"Latest public-spend figures indicate that each Scot now gets £1,500 more per head spent on them from public funds than their English neighbour."





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1

karinxx,

18/02/2008 00:07:14
You forgot to mention hamish that northern ireland gets even more.
2

Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 00:13:27
I've always voted SNP, but I think Salmond should back off on this. It isn't going to win one single vote, and it's playing into the hands of unionists. Lets get independence first before we worry about what Berwick wants.
3

Backofthenet,

18/02/2008 00:15:01
Is Bonnie Prince Eck building an empire? Brilliant. :0)
4

Richardinho,

18/02/2008 00:17:00
I believe in being greedy. Berwick should be part of Scotland simple as that.And if the people of Berwick vote to become part of Scotland, then that's that. Remember this is the reason why the British think Gibraltar and the Falklands should remain British.
5

karinxx,

18/02/2008 00:23:54
I'll launch legal bid to take Berwick back into Scotland, says Salmond

and when we actually watch the programme we will find he said no such thing. typical hootsman headline.

What he actually said was he would only do that if the people of berwick and westminster agreed.
6

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18/02/2008 00:27:15
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The Scottish Executive,

18/02/2008 00:33:33
Drop The Dead Donkey.
8

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 18/02/2008 00:45:15
No news here
9

Edward,

18/02/2008 00:48:55
Berwick and a large chunk of whats now Northumbria was part of Scotland before Edward I, decided to annexe it.
But thats now history
It would be nice if it came back to Scotland, but at the end of the day its down to the people of Berwick and the surrounding area as what they really want in reality I cant see it happen as Im sure there are proud to be English
But in the likelyhood that the Union with England is disolved and Scotland becomes an Independent nation, I think Berwick would be welcome to join if they wish
10

Edward,

18/02/2008 00:51:06
I dont think Alex Salmond or any of his staff said anything about this. Its the Scotsman churning out its usual twist on facts
Yes the vote did take place, which is featured tonight, but Alex Salmond didnt say anything
11

Jwil,

18/02/2008 00:51:28
Carlisle should be next!
12

Wisnaeme,

18/02/2008 01:06:42
Post 2. Traquir.

Wull ra appretices be manning ra ramparts an walls then?

.
13

Socrates2,

18/02/2008 01:24:45
take on berwick increased barnett formula
more of scotland's money comes back to scotland

time we looked after all our own money instead of giving it away
14

Scott Webb*,

18/02/2008 01:51:13
Politics is the soap opera that has us pointing fingers at different flavours of the same team :)
15

Willie Macleod,

Wick 18/02/2008 02:34:23
#9 Best post so far.
16

kofk,

corralejo 18/02/2008 02:50:51
It is time.....equality ,justice, Scotlands future,our influence regarding world politics..we must convince the people who vote
17

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 18/02/2008 02:58:44
Berwick,

If this is all Salmond has to do with his time, then U need to kick him out of Ur party the SNP.

GC
18

James,

Dundee 18/02/2008 03:25:32
#18 GalacticCanonball

How about the repeal of the treaty of 'Guadalupe Hidalgo' and the return of Alta California to the Estados Unidos Mexicanos ?
Demographics will out!
19

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/02/2008 03:49:01
CANADA over here we say england is southern SCOTLAND
20

Ozscot,

Perth Western Australia 18/02/2008 05:09:59
When Queen Victoria opened the new railway bridge connecting Tweedmouth to Berwick it was named "The Royal Border Bridge" even although Berwick was being administered as part of England, the town was viewed as being in Scotland, so all that is needed surely, is for the administration to be transferred and Berwick reintegrated back into Berwickshire where it used to be.
There would be a gradual switch from English to Scottish law.
21

Royster,

18/02/2008 05:56:34
Just goes to show that there is no difference between England and Scotland; people will opt for the best deal. We're all British. Let's get rid of the border all together and relocate parliament to Berwick (well at least for a few days).
22

Royster,

18/02/2008 05:57:49
What about Kirknes?
23

Jardine,

18/02/2008 06:16:48
Retaking Berwick? Coveting Carlisle? Annexing Northumbria?

Have we really hopped into a time machine and back to the days of Braveheart?

Let's forget about ancient border rivalries and instead concentrate on REAL issues that matter TODAY.
24

sdwrm,

18/02/2008 06:35:27
Mr. Salmond shouldn't even have commented on this. It opens up a whole can of worms - what would happen if, for example, Shetland or Orkney (or Morningside or Eastwood) petitioned in to remain part of England, Wales and Northern Ireland if Scotland voted as a whole to go for independence? Once you start chipping away at territorial integrity, you could find yourself in trouble.
25

Andrew D,

18/02/2008 06:38:05
Fantastic headline Scotsman. Again.

Totally made up attributing a load of nonsense to the FM just because it's what you do best!

The Scotsman. Run by idiots.
26

sdwrm,

18/02/2008 06:39:13
--to follow my last comment, Morningside and Eastwood was a wee bit flippant, since no historical argument could be made for them to split off from Scotland, but Orkney and Shetland have been - approximately - part of Scotland for about as long as Berwick has been part of England.
27

Road to the isles,

18/02/2008 06:39:55
This 'newspaper' should be done for misrepresentation. The headline is complete nonsense. Salmond said no such thing.
28

Amaury,,

18/02/2008 06:48:26
Legal moves and what are they? It is time Mr Salmond was arrested and charged with treason. He now is conspiring to coerce free born English subjects into becoming citizens of a foreign power.

He is an Enemy of the United Kingdom and should be treated as such.
29

Amaury,,

18/02/2008 06:51:37
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/18/scotland.scotland


Brown hints at taking powers from Holyrood



The Scottish parliament could have some of its powers cut in return for greater control over its finances and policies such as transport or energy, under a review of devolution being set up by Gordon Brown.
30

Royster,

18/02/2008 06:52:54
Salmond is wrong to make a big fuss about this. In the 1974, as part of the dreadful local government reorganisation, Monmouth in England became part of Wales. I didn't even know this until last week and I as brought up in England - though at the time I was very upset that East Yorkshire had suddenly been merged with North Lincolnshire to become 'Humberside'! The simple solution is for Berwick to become part of Scotland and not tell anybody. It would be decades before anybody noticed.
31

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18/02/2008 07:26:30
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 07:29:48
Alex Salmond did not say he would actively raise legal action on the future of Berwick. Thats just pis h by this paper which is putting parts of different articles together to stir its Britnat agenda. But we all know that hence the low amount of posts.

The goal is to gain Independance for our Nation, and once that is achieved then we can look at any requests to be included in our Country, providing the area involved was at one time a part of Scotland that was forcibly taken by an English military force.

When Scotland declares its withdrawal from the Act of Union, our Nation will revert to its terratories at the time of the supposed Union.

End of story, or lack of.
33

Spacepimp,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 07:33:08
I hope that Newcastle doesn't catch on to this!
34

eric,

18/02/2008 07:39:33
Edinburgh should have the vote maybe it should go back to its true homeland.This is playground politics .
35

Grumpy,

18/02/2008 07:40:36
I'm sure the Berwickers will be delighted when they find out that the "benefits" they seek will be outweighed by the cost of (a) changing their legal processes on buying / seeling property, (b) inheritence laws meaning wills may have to be re-written, (c) contracts haveing to be changed to Scots law, (d) Banking systems changed to run under Scottish rules (e) change of all staitonery to show their new postcode, (f) change of licensing laws, (g) changes in the legal systems generally, (h) joining a country who will never have hopes of getting to a final in the football world cup!
36

Agent 99,

18/02/2008 08:10:01
Does this mean we can get rid of Cumbernauld, Paisley, Larkhall, ...?
37

Kenny A,

18/02/2008 08:10:28
25

orkney and Shetland have never been part of England and the chances of them wanting to become English are beyond non existant. Part of Norway, nows thats a different story.
38

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 08:13:24
Some of these contributors should get a life!

Salmond, like the producers of the 'Tonight' programme which held the straw poll in Berwick, definitely has his tongue in cheek, and is simply turning this mischievous hypothesis around!
39

Aqwes,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 08:20:07
I wouldn't put too much faith in the ITV poll, the question asked was worded to give as much bias towards joining Scotland as it could, mentioning "better" and "free" public services. If all it could muster was a 60/40 split, then I doubt an actual referendum would return a majority in favour.

The SNP have in the past stepped aside at elections to clear the way for the Orkney and Shetland movement, a movement seeking Shetlandic and Orcadian independence. Why? Because the SNP believes in self-determination. A lot of people believed in self-determination, especially when it came to other countries. When it came ones own country, people start to get the jibblies...
40

Jock 107,

18/02/2008 08:20:51
Go on Eck, grab the land, plant settlers. Then go further South, buy Northern Rock from Ali Darling, and tempt the Geordies into the new Empire. Sell it at a profit, then move west, pick up some cities with decent football teams, enhance the Scottish leagues, and our chances in the world cup. Then keep going south, unite the Celts, and invade cockney land, and replace the union jack with some leftover tartan.

Expand & conquer - don't stop til Tibet
41

danielrober,

18/02/2008 08:22:20
Distraction, distraction. Quick look over.

Where's Spitting Image when you need it? Relaunch the program, the material is great.
42

Old Siggy,

Dunbar 18/02/2008 08:24:57
I went to Berwick twice last year, it was closed both times. Just what Scotland needs, another dull, miserable, soulless town.
43

Dearie,

18/02/2008 08:25:30
40 "Because the SNP believes in self-determination"

Yeah right... especially for Aberdeenshire council
44

danielrober,

18/02/2008 08:25:33
# 41, Jock 107

Love it. But i think cockney land would not be bothered.
45

Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 08:43:59
So in short, this story is a pack of lies.
Good. Now we know.

I dont think the Berwickers are so fickle that they would swap nationalities to save money.
46

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 18/02/2008 08:48:54
I suspect Berwick motives. The residents love not us but our various cut price old folks homes and medicines, etc. Change thos adversely and they'll all want back to England.
47

Linda,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 08:52:55
This gives a lie to Unionist scaremongering before last year's elections that SNP government would lead to exodus from Scotland.

However might need Border posts to monitor all the folk who want to come anfd live in Scotland.

(British Nationalists.. that's a joke)
48

henrymanchester,

UK 18/02/2008 09:06:14
Can we vote to be a part of Scotland?
49

Mikey,

18/02/2008 09:23:02
To all the dumb unionists who are commenting on this! READ THE ARTICLE!
50

Freedom for Scotland,

18/02/2008 09:29:55
Not sure that I really want Berwick-upon-Tweed back, they've been gone so long they've probably gone native!
51

glassbenmhor,

18/02/2008 09:34:04
If as suggested in this thread that these above are not the exact words of the First Minister,then I would urge Alex Salmond to drag the Scotsman to the nearest court and liable their backsides off.
52

watcher4,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 10:24:13
I was going to move down to Berwick to get away from that wee Smug git as well. That means I`ll have to wait until the next election.
53

GP,

18/02/2008 10:34:49
I look forward to the day that Berwick comes home.
It would be good if the Scotsmen with the brains removed (the geordies) also wished to join us as it would provide a better balance to the nation. Less ruled by Glasgow and a better urban spread.
Fantastic news!!!!
54

G,

dundee 18/02/2008 10:35:30
Really important stuff Alex. Mind you, health, crime, the economy have just "sorted themselves out" now we have a SNP government - "the benefit of self confidence..."
What a crock!
Get back to running the country, Salmond! I suppose this sort of PR grandstanding gets you headlines, annoys the English and means you don't have to worry about how the budget doesn't add up and how the SNP will fail to meet its promises....selective effectiveness>>>>>>
55

Tom R,

18/02/2008 10:37:09
#12 Jwil.

I hope you are right about Carlisle becoming part of Scotland. Although a Scot (born Glasgow), I have an archetypal English name because my great great great grandfather of the same name was born in Carlisle before moving to Galloway in 1816.

If Carlisle was part of Scotland I would no longer have to admit that I have English blood in my veins :-)


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18/02/2008 10:40:00
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 18/02/2008 10:44:50
#4 Backofthenet, You obviously only read the Scotsman headline,which was a Unionist press deception, Salmond said NO such thing and shows everyone in this country that when headline lies are printed by a Unionist press the unionist readers take it as gospel, all, as per usual.Your post name is so apt, "Another own goal".
58

Klaus Dubois,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 10:47:35
Scotsman headline suggestion: O'Salmond bin Laddie whips up Tartan Taleban
59

democracy,

Scottish Borders 18/02/2008 10:55:42
#57 Splashie, It's because they have never had the courage of their convictions, it's a "Unionist thing",
they would never chance losing the opportunity of having their greedy little snouts in the public purse trough, you see, it's the self-serving, party comes second,people of Scotland don't rate at all, tpye of mindset those parties have, but don't worry it's just a "Unionist thing" and they no longer are in office!!!
60

GP,

18/02/2008 10:57:27
56# wasn't Carlisle the capital of Scotland once?
61

democracy,

Scottish Borders 18/02/2008 11:04:41
#55 G,dundee, Like I said in #58 the Unionist readers even believe the total pish headline of a Unionist rag,how sad for the non thinkers , just blind allegiance to the imperialists "Butchers Apron".
62

Logie Almond,

18/02/2008 11:11:31
Zis is positively my last territorial demand says Herr Salmond.
63

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 11:12:50
Tom R @ 56

"If Carlisle was part of Scotland I would no longer have to admit that I have English blood in my veins :-)"

Try not to worry about it, sweetie, I have some Scottish blood in my veins..... there's a black sheep in every family :))


Further to the Berwick story, is Mr Salmond empire buidling? Surely not, I thought it was only we English who ever did that! ;)
64

donald,

glasgow 18/02/2008 11:25:47
Any fair minded British cartographersand Brit Nat contortionist can point to his maps and prove that The Falklands is part of Britain, whereas their Border skirts round Berwick stealing it from its home county of Berwickshire. Therefore Brits have the right to everything. Stands to reason don't it?
65

Red Ken,

South East Asia 18/02/2008 11:31:08
Empire building before Scotland gets independence thats a bad move. El Presidenti Ecky is over stepping the mark but after all he is a populist.
66

Tom R,

18/02/2008 11:31:39
#61 GP

Thank you for your input. Encouraged by your comment I have found the follwing evidence concerning the Scottish King David 1 in the 12th century:


"David I often stayed at Roxburgh and for a time he had his court at Carlisle which, of course, immediately became the capital of Scotland!"

67

Neil,

Glasgow 18/02/2008 11:32:10
He sounds like Galtierri except armed with lawyers rather than ships.

Stirring up national hatreds by claiming bits of other countries is a nasty trick by cheap politicians to win popular support. I hope that, with the excepting of the more hystericla SNP activists, the scots people will refuse to follow him.
68

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 11:40:25
If we're going to be raking up old history to validate claims for territory, why stop at Berwick or Carlisle?Didn't a Highland army led by a Italian/French/Scottish/bit of English Prince once invade England as far south as Derby?

So what about Derby, Mr Salmond, or maybe the real prize, London.... oh, no point you already have a say on what happens there don't you?
69

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 11:41:57
Reads like the usual contrived nonsense constructed by the Scotsman's 'Lets get Salmond' team!
70

Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 11:45:00
69, LIAR, he is doing no such thing.

I didn't hear you complain when the Liberal Democrats called for it. Besides, it's the people of Berwick who are suddenly claiming to be Scottish, for sound financial reasons. How fickle! I dont want them, and I dont want Berwick. Leave the border the way it is.

71

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 11:49:44
#72,

Plus.....Edward I massacred all the townsfolk, so what you have now is a population established through organised genocide.

Not the sort of people a modern and vibrant Scitland wants to be associated with!
72

Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 11:54:32
Exactly.
Berwick has already been "ethnically cleansed".

They only stopped the massacre when they saw a pregnant woman was being hacked to death by English soldiers. An act that sickened even their own officers.

73

Geoff,

sa 18/02/2008 11:58:44
If Berwick wants to become part of Scotland then its peoples wishes should be respected.
AS says if the people "...prefer the policy programme of Edinburgh to the diktat of faraway London." No matter what the merits, that statement is heavily slanted. Can u imagine if Unionists said the opposite"...prefer the policy programme of London to the diktat(sig heil!) of Edinburgh"
74

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:01:01
#74,

However, if Berwick was returned, I would like to think the present townsfolk would be given a safe right of passage to Gateshead. A pelting with rotten fruit and rancid mince wouldn't be inappropriate though!:)
75

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 12:06:10
AJ

You're getting carried away again (hopefully soon, by men in white coats, but that's another story:))

The bit about the mince isn't very nice!
76

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:11:33
Joanna,

Are you a veggie? :)

BTW, I can't seem to get a post on the Andy Murray story!!!!!!
77

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 12:14:28
AJ

Not a veggie... but I'm always a bit wary of mince - you just never know what's in it, unless you do your own of course :)

Will you be doing your own mince before you chuck it at the outgoing residents of B upon T ? If so, that's probably OK with me :)

I was surprised not to see you on the Murray story - I thought you'd have been there talking the boy up :)
78

Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 12:16:18
Aha, here's where the logic of the little-Scotlander leads to.

Let's pretend that the SNP manage to achieve the improbable and win a referendum on independence. Will they give each city and town the right to vote to move to UK administration? On this evidence, they should.

So what would happen when Edinburgh, the nation's capital, voted in favour of remaining in the union?

Silly nationalists.
79

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:22:44
Joanna,

Steak mince is good, but I wouldn't waste it on the imposters of Berwick upon Tweed. It would have to be Farm Foods economy frozen stuff!

Talking of mince, I notice Dunc from Edinburgh has turned up again!:)
80

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:25:35
Joanna,

I think the Scotsman has a policy of banning pro-Andy Murry posts, a bit like their treatment of pro-Alex Salmond stories!
81

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 12:25:44
"It would have to be Farm Foods economy frozen stuff!"


Spoken like a true Scotsman - no chance of any English skeletons rattling around your cupboards.

(Unless you're hiding Kate Moss in them of course)
82

malcolmcean,

18/02/2008 12:26:16
Duncan in Edinburgh writes: "Silly nationalists"

I thought that it was a Liberal Democrat who proposed this, Duncan.

Instead of boring us all with more manifestations your rather silly crusade against anything the SNP does, why not make an attempt to discuss the issues sensibly?
83

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:27:24
Joanna#83,

You learn tae watch the bawbees!:)
84

Aqwes,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 12:37:52
Dearie, 44

I didn't realise there was a "Free Aberdeen" party standing in the last council elections. Perhaps they should make themselves better heard.
85

kimba,

18/02/2008 12:38:11
It's not the case that people in Berwick want to be Scottish,but more the case they want all the "fREEBIES" that being Scottish would provide,however,their grass is greener philosophy may backfire on them when the Barnett Formula is reviewed.
86

Queen D,

Glasgow 18/02/2008 12:41:56
Yes , it was a Liberal who started this little story.
Sadly the FMs comments are utterly misquoted in this paper.
NO CHANGE THERE THEN!
87

Hugh T,

Blairgowrie 18/02/2008 12:42:00
#80

What evidence? This is from a TV programme in the name of sweet Buddha.

Your logic is a tad muddled and your winning line wouldn't come home with a 50 yard handicap. I suggest a good cleanse out with some Jaap's Salts and a good rub with some Vick's anti-bile cream to lighten your bitterness.

Where does all the Scoto-hate come from in these Britophiles?

88

Proximaking,

Dundee 18/02/2008 12:42:03
Why does everyone forget that Northern Ireland gets more money, mentioned by some above, the North West of England gets more, London gets only 2% less than Scotland per head despite having a population density almost 2,000 times higher (ie services should be provided far more efficiently), over one third of London residents were born outside of the UK, over one half of London babies for the last two years were born to women born outside of the UK, over half of these women are from wholly unemployed immigrant families, London gets enforced pension fund payments from the rest of the country, the M4 corridor gets huge military subsidies every year etc etc etc. The problem isn't Scotland gets too much it is that Scots "subsidies" are out in the open for all to see but London sudsidies are largely hidden, ..... or ignored. The real scandal isn't why does the country put up with the Scots but why the rest of the country, Scotland included, put up with greedy subsidy junky foreign-born grasping unemployed or city slicker Londoners? For every £1 you put into a pension around 30p is claimed back in tax by the pension funds but only 1 or 2p of that goes into the fund, the rest goes to pay "management fees", city-speak for wholly unearned bonus's ...... not so much wealth creation as wealth "re-branding". Berwick shouldn't join Scotland, the whole country should, and tell London to go and find mugs to subsidise it somewhere else.
89

Methalions,

18/02/2008 12:43:36
Aw no. What if the people in NE England want to join? We'd get kimba.
90

Methalions,

18/02/2008 12:45:59
"Bookmakers are offering odds of 10/1 on Berwick-upon-Tweed becoming part of Scotland in the next four years."
91

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 12:49:56
I notice ITV have sandwiched the 'big vote' on B upon T in between 2 episodes of Corrie Orrie tonight. In TV speak they're going 'head to head' with EastEnders - who's going to watch it, when they could be watching Tanya and Max slugging it out?

What they should have done was had a Battle of the Soaps with the Big Vote set in Berwick upon T - more viewers and interest guaranteed and as a plus point Berwick might pick up a few more tourists. The winning soap gets a guest appearance from Alex S - the losing one - yes you've guessed it - 2 guest appearances.
92

Calum Crubag,

18/02/2008 13:02:39
#3 - agree. Salmond is doing a great job and independence will come. Do we really need Berwick though?
93

kimba,

18/02/2008 13:05:33
91,meths. Berwick is in NE England,care for some geography lessons!
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AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 13:06:01
Joanna,

Do you think Max should get custody of the kids or will his alcoholic and drug taking wife come out on top?

Perhaps the Scotsman should stop making up stories about Alex Salmond and concentrate on the big issues in Eastenders!
95

Methalions,

18/02/2008 13:10:27
95 kimba

Just joshing kimba before my fakie arrives.

"They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
For trying to change the system from within
I'm coming now, I'm coming to reward them
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin"
96

Methalions,

18/02/2008 13:11:15
......Leonard Cohen....
97

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 13:12:43
AJ

I think Tanya should console herself with Max's gorgeous brother Jack - I'm sure she'd soon feel better :D

Maybe we should write a new soap and set it in Berwick - that would make the place more interesting, we could put the bit in about the mince and have a tug of war thing over the border.

Not that I ever watch soaps of course, far too busy for that.
98

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

18/02/2008 13:16:14
What a lot of TV Show created nonsense.

I know nothing ever really happens in Scotland (Forth Road Bridge painting over - in four years - maybe) but do you really have to believe this guff ?

99

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

18/02/2008 13:16:24
Wohoo ! 100.
100

Methalions,

18/02/2008 13:18:49
Mario

The phone rang before I claimed the 100. This for you.

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/jpgs/fanfare.jpg
101

Methalions,

18/02/2008 13:19:57
Sorry Mario. Here's a better one.

tinyurl.com/2p67lu
102

Busymale,

18/02/2008 13:31:06
Makes a change from English annexation
103

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

18/02/2008 13:34:16
Merci
104

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 13:35:01
The claims made by the 'Tonight' producers and researchers, and less than 1700 residents of Berwick-upon-Tweed in a straw poll are nothing but
Scotch myths!

Log on to the London-based Oxford Economics think tank which recently carried out extensive research into these claims and found NONE of them stacked up!

Salmond is being just as mischievous as the 'Tonight' programme producers and researchers!
105

Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 13:36:06
#84 Instead of picking up on one phrase from a comment, why not address the valid point that I made about an independent Scotland giving individual towns and cities the right to opt out?
106

Methalions,

18/02/2008 13:36:50
106.....and the Libdems in Berwick who suggested it?
107

Mikey,

18/02/2008 13:37:42
Interesting to see that real Scots prove they can read and by doing so, rubbish this article.

Surreal Scots believe everything they're told!
108

Methalions,

18/02/2008 13:38:38
107 Duncan

Has this been tried anywhere?...towns opting out? Seriously...has it?
109

kimba,

18/02/2008 13:44:31
104. Don't laugh to soon,was in Jedburgh about 18 months ago,and visited jedforest deer park,to my surprise the flag of st.george was flying everywhere,a little piece of England in Scotland!
110

Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 13:55:30
#110 Not to my knowledge Meths, but that seems to be what Salmond is supporting in his approach to Berwick.
111

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

18/02/2008 13:57:29
Berwick upon Kosovo, apparently.

Any why not.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

18/02/2008 13:58:17
Kimba, now be honest here.

It wasnt flying everywhere was it ? Why would it ?

Are you mental ?
113

kimba,

18/02/2008 14:02:03
Meths. Don't think the people of berwick will get their wish,you can't keep changing countries just because there are better offers on the other side!
114

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

18/02/2008 14:03:38
http://www.jedforestdeerpark.co.uk/jedforest-deer-park-facilities.php
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kimba,

18/02/2008 14:05:42
114. yes,I am delighted to say it was! you really must go and check it out.