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I'll launch legal bid to take Berwick back into Scotland, says Salmond



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Published Date: 18 February 2008
ALEX Salmond would start legal moves to bring Berwick back under Scottish control if the town's residents voted to leave England in a referendum, it emerged yesterday.
A spokesman for the First Minister said borders were "fluid" and there were precedents from around the world of towns changing hands from one government to another.

He was responding to the results of a new poll of residents in Berwick-upon-Tweed
which found a clear majority in favour of becoming part of Scotland.

The survey for ITV1's Tonight programme saw 1,182 voters in favour of becoming part of Scotland (more than 60 per cent) and 775 in favour of staying in England.

The programme, to be screened in Scotland tomorrow night and south of the Border tonight, said the poll reflected "concerns" about better services including free personal care for the elderly, better access to new medicines, the absence of upfront university tuition fees, and the promise of free school meals for young children.

The findings follow a similar poll on the Berwick Advertiser newspaper website in which 78 per cent said they would like to see the town return north of the Border.

In a checkered history, the town changed hands more than 13 times between 1147 and 1482.

Producers of the TV programme said the poll turnout of 1,957 votes compared to some 3,800 in the last local elections.

A spokesman for Mr Salmond said: "If there was an official referendum, there is no administration, no matter what party is in charge, who would not take Berwick back. It would be foolhardy for Westminster to ignore the wishes of the people. If there was a vote in favour, we would respect that self-determination and make the necessary representation to Westminster.

"Borders are fluid and there would have to be negotiations, but there are precedents for this happening from around the world."

Writing in a Sunday newspaper, the First Minister said it was clear that there was "significant support" for Berwick to become Scottish, but he said it was wrong to see the debate solely in terms of public services and money.

Mr Salmond said: "We prefer to look on the views of the people of Berwick as an indication they prefer the policy programme of Edinburgh to the diktat of faraway London."

And he added: "We have no territorial ambitions for any part of England. But if it were to be agreed by Westminster that the views of the people of Berwick should be respected, I am sure any government in Edinburgh would be happy to welcome them home."

Michael Ross, a former policeman from Berwick, who headed the pro-Scotland campaign for votes, said: "Berwick is a very special place and I think it is largely forgotten within England."

Barbara Herdman, a former teacher, campaigned in the town for a pro-English vote and for a change in how public spending is allocated across the UK.

"The Scots are getting more money than we are. I'm not saying that the Scots should not get what they get, but that we should get the same," she said.

The programme-makers said: "The government funding formulas for the national regions are increasingly a subject of great debate for politicians and social commentators, particularly since the SNP, who are campaigning for Scottish independence, came to power.

"Latest public-spend figures indicate that each Scot now gets £1,500 more per head spent on them from public funds than their English neighbour."





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  • Last Updated: 17 February 2008 9:21 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

karinxx,

18/02/2008 00:07:14
You forgot to mention hamish that northern ireland gets even more.
2

Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 00:13:27
I've always voted SNP, but I think Salmond should back off on this. It isn't going to win one single vote, and it's playing into the hands of unionists. Lets get independence first before we worry about what Berwick wants.
3

Backofthenet,

18/02/2008 00:15:01
Is Bonnie Prince Eck building an empire? Brilliant. :0)
4

Richardinho,

18/02/2008 00:17:00
I believe in being greedy. Berwick should be part of Scotland simple as that.And if the people of Berwick vote to become part of Scotland, then that's that. Remember this is the reason why the British think Gibraltar and the Falklands should remain British.
5

karinxx,

18/02/2008 00:23:54
I'll launch legal bid to take Berwick back into Scotland, says Salmond

and when we actually watch the programme we will find he said no such thing. typical hootsman headline.

What he actually said was he would only do that if the people of berwick and westminster agreed.
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18/02/2008 00:27:15
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18/02/2008 00:45:15
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Edward,

18/02/2008 00:48:55
Berwick and a large chunk of whats now Northumbria was part of Scotland before Edward I, decided to annexe it.
But thats now history
It would be nice if it came back to Scotland, but at the end of the day its down to the people of Berwick and the surrounding area as what they really want in reality I cant see it happen as Im sure there are proud to be English
But in the likelyhood that the Union with England is disolved and Scotland becomes an Independent nation, I think Berwick would be welcome to join if they wish
9

Edward,

18/02/2008 00:51:06
I dont think Alex Salmond or any of his staff said anything about this. Its the Scotsman churning out its usual twist on facts
Yes the vote did take place, which is featured tonight, but Alex Salmond didnt say anything
10

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18/02/2008 00:51:28
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Wisnaeme,

18/02/2008 01:06:42
Post 2. Traquir.

Wull ra appretices be manning ra ramparts an walls then?

.
12

Socrates2,

18/02/2008 01:24:45
take on berwick increased barnett formula
more of scotland's money comes back to scotland

time we looked after all our own money instead of giving it away
13

Scott Webb*,

18/02/2008 01:51:13
Politics is the soap opera that has us pointing fingers at different flavours of the same team :)
14

Willie Macleod,

Wick 18/02/2008 02:34:23
#9 Best post so far.
15

kofk,

corralejo 18/02/2008 02:50:51
It is time.....equality ,justice, Scotlands future,our influence regarding world politics..we must convince the people who vote
16

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 18/02/2008 02:58:44
Berwick,

If this is all Salmond has to do with his time, then U need to kick him out of Ur party the SNP.

GC
17

James,

Dundee 18/02/2008 03:25:32
#18 GalacticCanonball

How about the repeal of the treaty of 'Guadalupe Hidalgo' and the return of Alta California to the Estados Unidos Mexicanos ?
Demographics will out!
18

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 18/02/2008 03:49:01
CANADA over here we say england is southern SCOTLAND
19

Ozscot,

Perth Western Australia 18/02/2008 05:09:59
When Queen Victoria opened the new railway bridge connecting Tweedmouth to Berwick it was named "The Royal Border Bridge" even although Berwick was being administered as part of England, the town was viewed as being in Scotland, so all that is needed surely, is for the administration to be transferred and Berwick reintegrated back into Berwickshire where it used to be.
There would be a gradual switch from English to Scottish law.
20

Royster,

18/02/2008 05:56:34
Just goes to show that there is no difference between England and Scotland; people will opt for the best deal. We're all British. Let's get rid of the border all together and relocate parliament to Berwick (well at least for a few days).
21

Royster,

18/02/2008 05:57:49
What about Kirknes?
22

Jardine,

18/02/2008 06:16:48
Retaking Berwick? Coveting Carlisle? Annexing Northumbria?

Have we really hopped into a time machine and back to the days of Braveheart?

Let's forget about ancient border rivalries and instead concentrate on REAL issues that matter TODAY.
23

sdwrm,

18/02/2008 06:35:27
Mr. Salmond shouldn't even have commented on this. It opens up a whole can of worms - what would happen if, for example, Shetland or Orkney (or Morningside or Eastwood) petitioned in to remain part of England, Wales and Northern Ireland if Scotland voted as a whole to go for independence? Once you start chipping away at territorial integrity, you could find yourself in trouble.
24

Andrew D,

18/02/2008 06:38:05
Fantastic headline Scotsman. Again.

Totally made up attributing a load of nonsense to the FM just because it's what you do best!

The Scotsman. Run by idiots.
25

sdwrm,

18/02/2008 06:39:13
--to follow my last comment, Morningside and Eastwood was a wee bit flippant, since no historical argument could be made for them to split off from Scotland, but Orkney and Shetland have been - approximately - part of Scotland for about as long as Berwick has been part of England.
26

Road to the isles,

18/02/2008 06:39:55
This 'newspaper' should be done for misrepresentation. The headline is complete nonsense. Salmond said no such thing.
27

Amaury,,

18/02/2008 06:48:26
Legal moves and what are they? It is time Mr Salmond was arrested and charged with treason. He now is conspiring to coerce free born English subjects into becoming citizens of a foreign power.

He is an Enemy of the United Kingdom and should be treated as such.
28

Amaury,,

18/02/2008 06:51:37
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/18/scotland.scotland


Brown hints at taking powers from Holyrood



The Scottish parliament could have some of its powers cut in return for greater control over its finances and policies such as transport or energy, under a review of devolution being set up by Gordon Brown.
29

Royster,

18/02/2008 06:52:54
Salmond is wrong to make a big fuss about this. In the 1974, as part of the dreadful local government reorganisation, Monmouth in England became part of Wales. I didn't even know this until last week and I as brought up in England - though at the time I was very upset that East Yorkshire had suddenly been merged with North Lincolnshire to become 'Humberside'! The simple solution is for Berwick to become part of Scotland and not tell anybody. It would be decades before anybody noticed.
30

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18/02/2008 07:26:30
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 07:29:48
Alex Salmond did not say he would actively raise legal action on the future of Berwick. Thats just pis h by this paper which is putting parts of different articles together to stir its Britnat agenda. But we all know that hence the low amount of posts.

The goal is to gain Independance for our Nation, and once that is achieved then we can look at any requests to be included in our Country, providing the area involved was at one time a part of Scotland that was forcibly taken by an English military force.

When Scotland declares its withdrawal from the Act of Union, our Nation will revert to its terratories at the time of the supposed Union.

End of story, or lack of.
32

Spacepimp,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 07:33:08
I hope that Newcastle doesn't catch on to this!
33

eric,

18/02/2008 07:39:33
Edinburgh should have the vote maybe it should go back to its true homeland.This is playground politics .
34

Grumpy,

18/02/2008 07:40:36
I'm sure the Berwickers will be delighted when they find out that the "benefits" they seek will be outweighed by the cost of (a) changing their legal processes on buying / seeling property, (b) inheritence laws meaning wills may have to be re-written, (c) contracts haveing to be changed to Scots law, (d) Banking systems changed to run under Scottish rules (e) change of all staitonery to show their new postcode, (f) change of licensing laws, (g) changes in the legal systems generally, (h) joining a country who will never have hopes of getting to a final in the football world cup!
35

Agent 99,

18/02/2008 08:10:01
Does this mean we can get rid of Cumbernauld, Paisley, Larkhall, ...?
36

Kenny A,

18/02/2008 08:10:28
25

orkney and Shetland have never been part of England and the chances of them wanting to become English are beyond non existant. Part of Norway, nows thats a different story.
37

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 08:13:24
Some of these contributors should get a life!

Salmond, like the producers of the 'Tonight' programme which held the straw poll in Berwick, definitely has his tongue in cheek, and is simply turning this mischievous hypothesis around!
38

Aqwes,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 08:20:07
I wouldn't put too much faith in the ITV poll, the question asked was worded to give as much bias towards joining Scotland as it could, mentioning "better" and "free" public services. If all it could muster was a 60/40 split, then I doubt an actual referendum would return a majority in favour.

The SNP have in the past stepped aside at elections to clear the way for the Orkney and Shetland movement, a movement seeking Shetlandic and Orcadian independence. Why? Because the SNP believes in self-determination. A lot of people believed in self-determination, especially when it came to other countries. When it came ones own country, people start to get the jibblies...
39

Jock 107,

18/02/2008 08:20:51
Go on Eck, grab the land, plant settlers. Then go further South, buy Northern Rock from Ali Darling, and tempt the Geordies into the new Empire. Sell it at a profit, then move west, pick up some cities with decent football teams, enhance the Scottish leagues, and our chances in the world cup. Then keep going south, unite the Celts, and invade cockney land, and replace the union jack with some leftover tartan.

Expand & conquer - don't stop til Tibet
40

danielrober,

18/02/2008 08:22:20
Distraction, distraction. Quick look over.

Where's Spitting Image when you need it? Relaunch the program, the material is great.
41

Old Siggy,

Dunbar 18/02/2008 08:24:57
I went to Berwick twice last year, it was closed both times. Just what Scotland needs, another dull, miserable, soulless town.
42

Dearie,

18/02/2008 08:25:30
40 "Because the SNP believes in self-determination"

Yeah right... especially for Aberdeenshire council
43

danielrober,

18/02/2008 08:25:33
# 41, Jock 107

Love it. But i think cockney land would not be bothered.
44

Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 08:43:59
So in short, this story is a pack of lies.
Good. Now we know.

I dont think the Berwickers are so fickle that they would swap nationalities to save money.
45

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 18/02/2008 08:48:54
I suspect Berwick motives. The residents love not us but our various cut price old folks homes and medicines, etc. Change thos adversely and they'll all want back to England.
46

Linda,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 08:52:55
This gives a lie to Unionist scaremongering before last year's elections that SNP government would lead to exodus from Scotland.

However might need Border posts to monitor all the folk who want to come anfd live in Scotland.

(British Nationalists.. that's a joke)
47

henrymanchester,

UK 18/02/2008 09:06:14
Can we vote to be a part of Scotland?
48

Mikey,

18/02/2008 09:23:02
To all the dumb unionists who are commenting on this! READ THE ARTICLE!
49

glassbenmhor,

18/02/2008 09:34:04
If as suggested in this thread that these above are not the exact words of the First Minister,then I would urge Alex Salmond to drag the Scotsman to the nearest court and liable their backsides off.
50

watcher4,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 10:24:13
I was going to move down to Berwick to get away from that wee Smug git as well. That means I`ll have to wait until the next election.
51

GP,

18/02/2008 10:34:49
I look forward to the day that Berwick comes home.
It would be good if the Scotsmen with the brains removed (the geordies) also wished to join us as it would provide a better balance to the nation. Less ruled by Glasgow and a better urban spread.
Fantastic news!!!!
52

G,

dundee 18/02/2008 10:35:30
Really important stuff Alex. Mind you, health, crime, the economy have just "sorted themselves out" now we have a SNP government - "the benefit of self confidence..."
What a crock!
Get back to running the country, Salmond! I suppose this sort of PR grandstanding gets you headlines, annoys the English and means you don't have to worry about how the budget doesn't add up and how the SNP will fail to meet its promises....selective effectiveness>>>>>>
53

Tom R,

18/02/2008 10:37:09
#12 Jwil.

I hope you are right about Carlisle becoming part of Scotland. Although a Scot (born Glasgow), I have an archetypal English name because my great great great grandfather of the same name was born in Carlisle before moving to Galloway in 1816.

If Carlisle was part of Scotland I would no longer have to admit that I have English blood in my veins :-)


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18/02/2008 10:40:00
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 18/02/2008 10:44:50
#4 Backofthenet, You obviously only read the Scotsman headline,which was a Unionist press deception, Salmond said NO such thing and shows everyone in this country that when headline lies are printed by a Unionist press the unionist readers take it as gospel, all, as per usual.Your post name is so apt, "Another own goal".
56

Klaus Dubois,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 10:47:35
Scotsman headline suggestion: O'Salmond bin Laddie whips up Tartan Taleban
57

democracy,

Scottish Borders 18/02/2008 10:55:42
#57 Splashie, It's because they have never had the courage of their convictions, it's a "Unionist thing",
they would never chance losing the opportunity of having their greedy little snouts in the public purse trough, you see, it's the self-serving, party comes second,people of Scotland don't rate at all, tpye of mindset those parties have, but don't worry it's just a "Unionist thing" and they no longer are in office!!!
58

GP,

18/02/2008 10:57:27
56# wasn't Carlisle the capital of Scotland once?
59

democracy,

Scottish Borders 18/02/2008 11:04:41
#55 G,dundee, Like I said in #58 the Unionist readers even believe the total pish headline of a Unionist rag,how sad for the non thinkers , just blind allegiance to the imperialists "Butchers Apron".
60

Logie Almond,

18/02/2008 11:11:31
Zis is positively my last territorial demand says Herr Salmond.
61

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 11:12:50
Tom R @ 56

"If Carlisle was part of Scotland I would no longer have to admit that I have English blood in my veins :-)"

Try not to worry about it, sweetie, I have some Scottish blood in my veins..... there's a black sheep in every family :))


Further to the Berwick story, is Mr Salmond empire buidling? Surely not, I thought it was only we English who ever did that! ;)
62

donald,

glasgow 18/02/2008 11:25:47
Any fair minded British cartographersand Brit Nat contortionist can point to his maps and prove that The Falklands is part of Britain, whereas their Border skirts round Berwick stealing it from its home county of Berwickshire. Therefore Brits have the right to everything. Stands to reason don't it?
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Red Ken,

South East Asia 18/02/2008 11:31:08
Empire building before Scotland gets independence thats a bad move. El Presidenti Ecky is over stepping the mark but after all he is a populist.
64

Tom R,

18/02/2008 11:31:39
#61 GP

Thank you for your input. Encouraged by your comment I have found the follwing evidence concerning the Scottish King David 1 in the 12th century:


"David I often stayed at Roxburgh and for a time he had his court at Carlisle which, of course, immediately became the capital of Scotland!"

65

Neil,

Glasgow 18/02/2008 11:32:10
He sounds like Galtierri except armed with lawyers rather than ships.

Stirring up national hatreds by claiming bits of other countries is a nasty trick by cheap politicians to win popular support. I hope that, with the excepting of the more hystericla SNP activists, the scots people will refuse to follow him.
66

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 11:40:25
If we're going to be raking up old history to validate claims for territory, why stop at Berwick or Carlisle?Didn't a Highland army led by a Italian/French/Scottish/bit of English Prince once invade England as far south as Derby?

So what about Derby, Mr Salmond, or maybe the real prize, London.... oh, no point you already have a say on what happens there don't you?
67

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 11:41:57
Reads like the usual contrived nonsense constructed by the Scotsman's 'Lets get Salmond' team!
68

Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 11:45:00
69, LIAR, he is doing no such thing.

I didn't hear you complain when the Liberal Democrats called for it. Besides, it's the people of Berwick who are suddenly claiming to be Scottish, for sound financial reasons. How fickle! I dont want them, and I dont want Berwick. Leave the border the way it is.

69

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 11:49:44
#72,

Plus.....Edward I massacred all the townsfolk, so what you have now is a population established through organised genocide.

Not the sort of people a modern and vibrant Scitland wants to be associated with!
70

Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 11:54:32
Exactly.
Berwick has already been "ethnically cleansed".

They only stopped the massacre when they saw a pregnant woman was being hacked to death by English soldiers. An act that sickened even their own officers.

71

Geoff,

sa 18/02/2008 11:58:44
If Berwick wants to become part of Scotland then its peoples wishes should be respected.
AS says if the people "...prefer the policy programme of Edinburgh to the diktat of faraway London." No matter what the merits, that statement is heavily slanted. Can u imagine if Unionists said the opposite"...prefer the policy programme of London to the diktat(sig heil!) of Edinburgh"
72

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:01:01
#74,

However, if Berwick was returned, I would like to think the present townsfolk would be given a safe right of passage to Gateshead. A pelting with rotten fruit and rancid mince wouldn't be inappropriate though!:)
73

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 12:06:10
AJ

You're getting carried away again (hopefully soon, by men in white coats, but that's another story:))

The bit about the mince isn't very nice!
74

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:11:33
Joanna,

Are you a veggie? :)

BTW, I can't seem to get a post on the Andy Murray story!!!!!!
75

Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 12:14:28
AJ

Not a veggie... but I'm always a bit wary of mince - you just never know what's in it, unless you do your own of course :)

Will you be doing your own mince before you chuck it at the outgoing residents of B upon T ? If so, that's probably OK with me :)

I was surprised not to see you on the Murray story - I thought you'd have been there talking the boy up :)
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 12:16:18
Aha, here's where the logic of the little-Scotlander leads to.

Let's pretend that the SNP manage to achieve the improbable and win a referendum on independence. Will they give each city and town the right to vote to move to UK administration? On this evidence, they should.

So what would happen when Edinburgh, the nation's capital, voted in favour of remaining in the union?

Silly nationalists.
77

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:22:44
Joanna,

Steak mince is good, but I wouldn't waste it on the imposters of Berwick upon Tweed. It would have to be Farm Foods economy frozen stuff!

Talking of mince, I notice Dunc from Edinburgh has turned up again!:)
78

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:25:35
Joanna,

I think the Scotsman has a policy of banning pro-Andy Murry posts, a bit like their treatment of pro-Alex Salmond stories!
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 12:25:44
"It would have to be Farm Foods economy frozen stuff!"


Spoken like a true Scotsman - no chance of any English skeletons rattling around your cupboards.

(Unless you're hiding Kate Moss in them of course)
80

malcolmcean,

18/02/2008 12:26:16
Duncan in Edinburgh writes: "Silly nationalists"

I thought that it was a Liberal Democrat who proposed this, Duncan.

Instead of boring us all with more manifestations your rather silly crusade against anything the SNP does, why not make an attempt to discuss the issues sensibly?
81

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 12:27:24
Joanna#83,

You learn tae watch the bawbees!:)
82

Aqwes,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 12:37:52
Dearie, 44

I didn't realise there was a "Free Aberdeen" party standing in the last council elections. Perhaps they should make themselves better heard.
83

kimba,

18/02/2008 12:38:11
It's not the case that people in Berwick want to be Scottish,but more the case they want all the "fREEBIES" that being Scottish would provide,however,their grass is greener philosophy may backfire on them when the Barnett Formula is reviewed.
84

Queen D,

Glasgow 18/02/2008 12:41:56
Yes , it was a Liberal who started this little story.
Sadly the FMs comments are utterly misquoted in this paper.
NO CHANGE THERE THEN!
85

Hugh T,

Blairgowrie 18/02/2008 12:42:00
#80

What evidence? This is from a TV programme in the name of sweet Buddha.

Your logic is a tad muddled and your winning line wouldn't come home with a 50 yard handicap. I suggest a good cleanse out with some Jaap's Salts and a good rub with some Vick's anti-bile cream to lighten your bitterness.

Where does all the Scoto-hate come from in these Britophiles?

86

Proximaking,

Dundee 18/02/2008 12:42:03
Why does everyone forget that Northern Ireland gets more money, mentioned by some above, the North West of England gets more, London gets only 2% less than Scotland per head despite having a population density almost 2,000 times higher (ie services should be provided far more efficiently), over one third of London residents were born outside of the UK, over one half of London babies for the last two years were born to women born outside of the UK, over half of these women are from wholly unemployed immigrant families, London gets enforced pension fund payments from the rest of the country, the M4 corridor gets huge military subsidies every year etc etc etc. The problem isn't Scotland gets too much it is that Scots "subsidies" are out in the open for all to see but London sudsidies are largely hidden, ..... or ignored. The real scandal isn't why does the country put up with the Scots but why the rest of the country, Scotland included, put up with greedy subsidy junky foreign-born grasping unemployed or city slicker Londoners? For every £1 you put into a pension around 30p is claimed back in tax by the pension funds but only 1 or 2p of that goes into the fund, the rest goes to pay "management fees", city-speak for wholly unearned bonus's ...... not so much wealth creation as wealth "re-branding". Berwick shouldn't join Scotland, the whole country should, and tell London to go and find mugs to subsidise it somewhere else.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 12:49:56
I notice ITV have sandwiched the 'big vote' on B upon T in between 2 episodes of Corrie Orrie tonight. In TV speak they're going 'head to head' with EastEnders - who's going to watch it, when they could be watching Tanya and Max slugging it out?

What they should have done was had a Battle of the Soaps with the Big Vote set in Berwick upon T - more viewers and interest guaranteed and as a plus point Berwick might pick up a few more tourists. The winning soap gets a guest appearance from Alex S - the losing one - yes you've guessed it - 2 guest appearances.
88

Calum Crubag,

18/02/2008 13:02:39
#3 - agree. Salmond is doing a great job and independence will come. Do we really need Berwick though?
89

kimba,

18/02/2008 13:05:33
91,meths. Berwick is in NE England,care for some geography lessons!
90

AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 13:06:01
Joanna,

Do you think Max should get custody of the kids or will his alcoholic and drug taking wife come out on top?

Perhaps the Scotsman should stop making up stories about Alex Salmond and concentrate on the big issues in Eastenders!
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 13:12:43
AJ

I think Tanya should console herself with Max's gorgeous brother Jack - I'm sure she'd soon feel better :D

Maybe we should write a new soap and set it in Berwick - that would make the place more interesting, we could put the bit in about the mince and have a tug of war thing over the border.

Not that I ever watch soaps of course, far too busy for that.
92

Busymale,

18/02/2008 13:31:06
Makes a change from English annexation
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 13:35:01
The claims made by the 'Tonight' producers and researchers, and less than 1700 residents of Berwick-upon-Tweed in a straw poll are nothing but
Scotch myths!

Log on to the London-based Oxford Economics think tank which recently carried out extensive research into these claims and found NONE of them stacked up!

Salmond is being just as mischievous as the 'Tonight' programme producers and researchers!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 13:36:06
#84 Instead of picking up on one phrase from a comment, why not address the valid point that I made about an independent Scotland giving individual towns and cities the right to opt out?
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Mikey,

18/02/2008 13:37:42
Interesting to see that real Scots prove they can read and by doing so, rubbish this article.

Surreal Scots believe everything they're told!
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kimba,

18/02/2008 13:44:31
104. Don't laugh to soon,was in Jedburgh about 18 months ago,and visited jedforest deer park,to my surprise the flag of st.george was flying everywhere,a little piece of England in Scotland!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 13:55:30
#110 Not to my knowledge Meths, but that seems to be what Salmond is supporting in his approach to Berwick.
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kimba,

18/02/2008 14:02:03
Meths. Don't think the people of berwick will get their wish,you can't keep changing countries just because there are better offers on the other side!
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kimba,

18/02/2008 14:05:42
114. yes,I am delighted to say it was! you really must go and check it out.
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AJ Fife,

18/02/2008 14:09:28
kimba,

Making stories up again? Do you work for the Scotsman?
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Richard M,

Scottish Raj 18/02/2008 14:18:36
117&119# Come down south to the Scottish Raj and you might even see a Saltire or two from time to time!
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kimba,

18/02/2008 14:20:19
FINE, But as you enter the driveway leading to the park there are two st.george flags,as you enter the car park there are 3 houses {staff residence} with a further 3 flying from flag poles. Now I would suggest you pay them a visit and see for your self.
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kimba,

18/02/2008 14:26:45
meths. WHY NOT,you can fly the saltire in England.
104

kimba,

18/02/2008 14:28:16
....and as the owners are English!
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Queen D,

Glasgow 18/02/2008 14:29:36
Not in Jedburgh!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 14:36:08
#130 Ah yes, three cheers for a Russian of dubious character and a man from a fairy story. Hip hip!
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kimba,

18/02/2008 14:36:36
124. Well that's you choice,it's a great place with plenty of good,clean scottish air with a twist of english entertaiment.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 14:38:40
Ah Kimba you whisked my back to my childhood there for a little while. My uncle used to farm just outside Jedburgh, fab countryside, his land backed onto the Jed and the beautiful Jedforest. My cousins had a rope hanging from a tree and we used to swing across the river. Happy Days :))
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kimba,

18/02/2008 14:47:20
joanna. yes indeed,a great place for kids, god, and now I have to go to work;it seems a eternity until my holidays roll on july!
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Geomac 1,

Kinross 18/02/2008 14:47:40
This guy Salmond is a meglomaniac - and using our money to play his stupid ganes
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Gothic Rose,

18/02/2008 14:48:57
Act now! buy a bag of Berwick Cockles.!
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An English Voice,

18/02/2008 14:51:03
If the "£1,500 more per head" is the reason for Berwick to want to be run from Edinburgh, maybe it's time to bring parity to UK public spending.

Or is there a whalloping great £1 toll on the bridge that they want removed?
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An English Voice,

18/02/2008 14:54:51
135. How do Celtic and Rangers feel about joining the world's most famous sports league?

To be watched in every country in the world would be a massive boost to their income. There's not three Prem clubs in the world's top five for no good reason, you know.
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kimba,

18/02/2008 15:01:51
spook. Think you'll find Berwick wants your freebies not your football!
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James,

Dundee 18/02/2008 15:15:01
From Berwick Borough Council Website....

'The Borough of Berwick-upon-Tweed, an area considered too north for England, too south for Scotland… a town bisected by the mighty River Tweed, where matters of state were decided and great battles fought to possess her'.

Sounds like they are confused.

Anyhow comparing Salmond to Hitler annexing the Sudetenland as somebody does above is another example
of the desparate measures now undertaken in the deepest recesses of 'the bunker' at Keir Hardie House
and their captive press monkeys at 108 Holyrood Road.

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Border Scot,

18/02/2008 15:15:29
#146 - London has a population of 8 million and has three clubs in the top 11, two in the top 5. West Ham is expected to join the top 20 next year.
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Border Scot,

18/02/2008 15:18:11
Were the folk of Berwick asked if they wanted to be a part of Scotland if it meant leaving the Union? Likewise, what happens if, say, Tory voting Borders stated that it would prefer to stay in the Union should Scotland as a whole vote for independence.
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Border Scot,

18/02/2008 15:19:20
#153 - None at all ;-)
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Border Scot,

18/02/2008 15:34:24
#158 - My guess is that most Rangers and Celtic supporters live a long way from Glasgow.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 15:39:36
Border Scot

That's very true - I know of at least four Rangers supporters that live round here - its a fair way from Glasgow.
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Geoff,

sa 18/02/2008 15:40:20
147 the Genuine Mario-wasnt that Gay Football team forum hilarious before the Mod pulled the plug? Chuckled all day. This story.Same old same old.
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Geoff,

sa 18/02/2008 15:42:33
164 Joanna-and there is one Rangers supporter who lives even further away. Try 10 000 kilometres for yours truly!
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 15:54:07
Hi Geoff :))

Getting back to Berwick and just out of curiousity, if AS does "launch a legal bid for Berwick", will it be heard under Scots Law or English?

I suppose English as the town is in England at present.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 16:02:16
I might launch a legal bid for a Caribbean island - once AS has set the legal precedent with Berwick.

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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 16:09:03
#172 - It's corked, or maybe caulked!
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 16:12:10
Spook

No problems about Corby.... help yourself.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 16:19:40
It's Wiki time, folks. Sorry to spoil the party, but Berwick belongs firmly in Northumbria, 654-878AD, as do Edinburgh and Hull, and everywhere between:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northumbria

I am now ferreting furiously amongst the archives to find the relevant Act of Union.
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d.j.,

18/02/2008 16:34:27
I really don't see why the people of Berwick should be concerned as there is little or no difference between Scotland and England anyway. They share the same language --English-- anyway and the same culture. Indeed there is probably more difference between Liverpool and London than there is between Scotland and England; after all we are all Teutonic and of Aryan stock anyway, aren't we.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 16:34:40
You mean Wishaw for anything don't you Methalions?

Not being pedantic, just want to see how much of a delay my posts are experiencing.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 16:35:42
#181 - Straight red card.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 18/02/2008 16:36:51
No delay, so what happened to my post about Westminster being only to glad to get rid of Prime Minister Salmond and his team, especially the impish Ms Grahame before half of the North of England asks Edinburgh if it can come home?
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 16:51:07
#91 Meths:
'Aw no. What if the people in NE England want to join? We'd get kimba.'

If the Northumbria Act of Union cannot be found, it could even be Queen Kimba I.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 16:53:33
#186 - Please point out the Balklands on the map for me please.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 16:53:44
Hmm, people in Berwick must live a long time or have remarkable memories it hasn't been part of Scotland since 1482, quite a long time before the Act of Union in 1707.

Maybe its because of their longevity and remarkable memories that AS wants to make a legal bid for them. Good breeding stock perhaps?
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kimba,

18/02/2008 16:54:22
186. Stop the clap trap,they want scotland for FREE-ELDERLY CARE,FREE UNIVERSITY,FREE PRESCRIPTIONS ETC; if England had these things they would stay put.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 16:54:54
One 'please' to many. I was not pleading. Honest.
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kimba,

18/02/2008 16:59:40
187. You could have something there!
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kimba,

18/02/2008 17:03:49
190. Sorry spook,you'll be relieved to hear I love good old england to much,in any case it's only a matter of time before the powers that be will have to have the same deal here.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 17:06:07
#194 kimba
I know - and it's frightening. Suggest a touch (more like a great dollop) of Pygmalion could be called for. For example, the use of the expression 'clap trap' cannot be considered appropriate. Not altogether regal in the accepted sense, is it? However, all is not lost. Given the right tutoring I am sure you will succeed. :-)
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 18/02/2008 17:17:10

Hey U squawking Dudes.

What does Berwick have in the way of natural wealth. Like gold, oil, silver, iron ore, etc .
NOTHING
So why is ur fanatical leader Salmond wasting time and energy trying to get Berwick into the Scots fold..

He should spend his time seeking ways to advance the economy of Scotland. with new industries and well paid jobs.

All the rest is Political and emotional worthless Flam.

Let him reverse the present dangerous economic condition of 50% employed in Gov. /State industry and 50% employed in Private sector.

There should be, not more than 30% employment in Gov./State and 70% in private industry.

GC



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Richard M,

Scottish Raj 18/02/2008 17:21:28
Simple suggestion: Rather than rely on opinion polls, why doesn't the Ace enn Pee field a candidate for the Berwick constituency at the next general election on a platform of uniting with Scotland? If that candidate is elected with more than 50% of the vote then it can be considered a serious mandate. Otherwise it's a load of hot air and case of the grass being greener and all that
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kimba,

18/02/2008 17:24:00
196. I always thought Rex Harrison played a splendid part in "My Fair Lady".
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 17:25:40
#204 kimba
I really think she's got it!
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Geoff,

sa 18/02/2008 17:28:00
167 Methalions-aw shucks meths!
168 Joanna-Hi Joanna. Of course if Alex were to agree to stay in the Union it wouldnt matter!!
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Geoff,

sa 18/02/2008 17:29:48
Joanna i.e.he would save a fortune in legal fees! Another Union dividend!
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Galacticcannibal ate The Grey Man,

Nicola for pres 18/02/2008 17:35:30
#202 Hey Dude,Hows it hanging bro? jeeeeeeeeez i have missed you bro. kerrieeeeeeeeeee sends huggs and and kisses dude.
Hey bro i luv the way you trick al them scattish folks into believing you are really in the !you ess of A!

Jeeeeeeeeeez i need a shroom top dude but first i will top up my cell phone at Morrison's and buy Morrison's shrooms, BOGOF is the deal on shrooms, buy one get one free.....Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee oops bing bang wallop, dude has just slipped on a shroom but not a magic shroom. weeee weeeee weeee im now orbiting Berwick dudes for some major shroom top ups. They are scatlands shrooms, or are they?

sturgen for pres
sturgen for pres
sturgen for pres and clinton in the bin along with ombaba bottanicc.

Dudes my bro at post #202 is right here in Mossend lanark. But this dude is the reall cheese burger of the golden state..yeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa silicon brest vally here i comes..weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Happy shrooming dudes

www.berwick/upon/tweed.comebacktoscotland.com
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d.j.,

18/02/2008 17:49:39
It is very clear to me that the English like the Scots and see them as the same as themselves as they should.

What has always surprised me just how much they really dislike the Irish.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 17:53:38
#210 - Red card on the pitch, now a red card in the tunnel. Reckon the two combined add up to a 10 match ban.
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Miss H,

18/02/2008 18:13:54
203 Perhaps because Berwick upon Tweed constituency includes loads of places that aren't actually Berwick upon Tweed?

In any case you seem to be overlooking one pretty important thing. The SNP actually has nothing to do with this. The SNP has not instigatd this poll nor has it campaigned for Berwick upon Tweed to become a part of Scotland. In short it's got hee haw to do with the SNP.

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 18:18:00
Geoff 208

He may well use his noggin and Scots acumen and apply for legal aid.

In this crazy day and age he just might get it! :D
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Joanna,

18/02/2008 18:34:37
Spook 192

You can't give us Gretna. The whole point of Gretna is that people can run away and get married there by taking advantage of the difference in Scots and English law. 16 is the age of marriage, without parental consent in Scotland but its 18 in England. If you give us Gretna where will our young lovers elope to?

Who says Romance is dead?

What about Leven in Fife - I know someone who stays there - he'd love to be in England really !

Ain't that right AJ? :D :D
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 18:51:52
Oh diddums 217

Coming over all inferior then?

Btw.... It would be Elizabeth, Queen of Scots, she would never be referred to as the 1st, until there was a subsequent one, which there hasn't been yet in Scotland.

Silly boy
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/02/2008 18:52:33
#212 Indeed. I think master statesman Salmond made a little booboo piling in on the subject on Sunday, no? Should have left well alone. Still, his admiring fans will forgive him everything...
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 18:57:08
#217
Berwick is in Northumbria, i.e. not in England, not in Scotland. This is also part of history, apparently, and predates all the comings and goings of later centuries on which so many foolishly hang their hats.
As for Joanna falling into your web - I don't think for one moment she was being that serious.
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kimba,

18/02/2008 18:58:11
Is that right AJ,you would love to be part of England!
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 19:01:08
Ah - there you are kimba - Queen in waiting. As part of the ongoing regal matter, regret that the budget will not extend to Ascot races. You have the choice of Sedgefield, or Redcar. Please advise.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 19:01:57
Thank you Van @ 220

The web he/she talks about wasn't exactly a trap, however, as you so rightly point out I was not being serious.

You are right though - Northumbria was a kingdom in its own right at one time and Berwick was part of it.
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kimba,

18/02/2008 19:03:31
220. With the greatest respect,think you'll find "NORTHUMBERLAND" is in England,as there slogan says,"Englands best kept secret".
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 18/02/2008 19:06:06
Last week it was forming the new Celtic Union in place of the UK, the week before it was the Lewis Chessmen, this week it Berwick. Salmonds ambitions know no bounds as he attempts to create an impression he's actually achieving something positive that will make us all believe in his own version of the "holy grail".

I despair at these antics and despair even more about those who think he's doing a great job for Scotland. The man's an empty vessel and we all know that makes the most noise in any circumstances.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

18/02/2008 19:08:43
An interesting thought, Berwick upon Tweed, has never actually been incorporated or annexed by England, although it has been occupied for the past 500 odd years by them. Even the 1746 Wales and Berwick Act, didn't try to annexe Berwick and it remained a County until the 1885 Redistribution Act, which, for 'Parliamentary purposes' it was included within Northumberland, but not formally annexed.
The last act to mention Berwick was the Interpretation Act of 1978, which provides that in legislation passed between 1967 and 1974 'a reference to England includes Berwick Upon Tweed and Monmouthshire, the latter now being fully assimilated into Wales, whilst the former is still 'occupied' by England as no formal 'annexation' has been made.

So again the Hootsmon creating a 'storm in Styrofoam' cup, as Berwick is 'Occupied' territory, then the aggressor should 'up stakes' and return the former 'Jewel in the Scottish Crown' to the Scottish nation.
However English Imperialism being as it is, they are unlikely to surrender this still strategically important Scottish border town without a 'fight'.
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kimba,

18/02/2008 19:09:02
222,AH! One has put one in a quandary,redcar I think sea air and all that.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 18/02/2008 19:19:59
#224 kimba
For goodness sake - do you want to be the so-and-so Queen, or not? I know full well that Northumberland is in England. We are talking Northumbria here (see #177).
#227 kimba
Redcar it is. Cloth caps, beanies, and black wellies, as opposed to the Ascot fancy gear.
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kimba,

18/02/2008 19:20:05
226.You can bet your Independence on that!
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kimba,

18/02/2008 19:23:31
228.SCRATCH THE BLACK WELLIES,must insist on pink,cheerio.
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Hamish Scott,

18/02/2008 19:47:57
Well some of the comments show why the Scotsman prints this mendacity - it works! In tomorrow's Scotsman: how Alex Salmond helped Hitler to power.
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose not in Berwick thank God 18/02/2008 19:49:17
168 Joanna,Cambs, England 18/02/2008 15:54:07
"Getting back to Berwick and just out of curiousity, if AS does "launch a legal bid for Berwick", will it be heard under Scots Law or English?"

Neither, as this is the usual fabricated Hootmon P*sh

Reminds me why I never buy the paper now!!!

Having been in Berwick I wis terrible underwhelmed - but did note that the sign on the railway platform which says 'keep back from the edge' REALLY means keep back - as the Edinburgh-London express goes through a full speed. Like so drr...rrr...ah - there's the....DRRRR WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHSHeeewe.rr.rr .. train, bloody hell. Dull place apart from that.

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Van (not white) Diesel,

18/02/2008 19:49:19
#231
Physiological problems - no sign yet, for which I remain grateful, and I shall take due care. Thank you.
Psychological problems - now that's another matter, and you appear to have cornered the world market.
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Saoghal Beag,

18/02/2008 20:07:34
#233 derick, Hi ya cheeky bam, whits the mitter we berwick, it's a fine wee toon and ah like it, it's got better waws thin york and where's yir defensive was in yell?

mind thay trains do gan throo at a heck on noughts.

beside ma granny came frae tweedmooth, isnae exactly berwick cos it's ower the border, the tweed, bit still, ah fond o it an it should be oors.
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Saoghal Beag,

18/02/2008 20:13:13
#171 Joanna, i just don't know how to break this to you. didn't any one tell you about the british empire, there was a few caribeen islands in that but they seem to have a think about it it and told england to take a hike.

Looks like berwick is of the same thinking.
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Saoghal Beag,

18/02/2008 20:19:20
why would we want carlisle? the town that errected a monument for the melenium and deomonised scots in stone. they're welcome to it.
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose/Broch 18/02/2008 20:30:33
235 Saoghal Beag,18/02/2008 20:07:34

Yell needs nae defensive waas, as it's surroondit bi watter! an also 'so uncouth a place that no man may live there, lest he be born there' accoardin tae a properly cheeky fellow - Buchanan I tink.

Berwick does hae a lok o territorial watters as weill, come ta tink o't. H'mm.

Onywey nivver mind dis dirt aboot Berwick - WHEN will Gordon Broun (the Northern Rock) get da Austin Allegro back in production. We used ta hae ane - scho wis fine on da straight bits, as lang as you didna geng owre fast. AND I quite fancy a 3-day week. Flares here we come. wahey!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/02/2008 20:45:25
Berwick is still seen as an inperialist foothold in Scotland. It is still a Scottish Royal burgh. The Tweed is the border until we get Newcastle and Carlisle.

He, he he, he.

But seriously, Berwick will remain a sore point until it is returned to Scottish administration.
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Saoghal Beag,

18/02/2008 20:52:22
#238 it's a fair scunner the noo, ah dinnae ken wither tae laugh at satchmo alexander or bunty broon, whit a dugs dinner they're making oh things. bring back maggie so we can hae a bit o focus.

flares are noo cawed boot cuts, get with it mun.

oh jist come ower aw week it the knees, satchmo an bunty disappearing into the sunset in thir ain wee austin alegro wi hir wee brother pushing hard ahint, nae really like him though.


i'm dead scunnert that the glory o the gay fitbawers his bin shut be this rag, nae doot cos o the usual rapib idiots posting thir kiech. fawt lies wi the rag thit they cannae polis it, kenning whit will happin.

ony road am ah fur a snooze, traipse aw ower the country the day. speak tae ye the morra, aw the best.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 21:13:33
231 V O S

"Scots don't do inferior as you English have found time and time again."

I didn't actually mean all Scots... just you.

Hmm.... the opposite of superior is inferior - you called me superior so I etc, etc......

Her correct title would be Elizabeth, Queen of Scots not Elizabeth I as there has not been a subsequent Elizabeth of Scotland. By the same token Victoria is called Victoria not Victoria I, as there has not been a subsequent Victoria. Same with Queen Anne.

Not a silly boy, perhaps a silly girl?

Saoghal Beag @ 235

Hmm did you take my comment seriously then? How odd.

Derrick fae Yell

Some of the trains stop there :)



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Bird of Prey, Substansiate what you say,

fluttering over Berwick upon tweed 18/02/2008 21:16:06
I have no problems with Berwick upon tweed becoming part of Scotland because it would get rid of check point crow. This means i would not have to produce any feathers when visiting my great aunt Gull at puffin point. Berwick has the fattest juiciest and wholesome worms in the world, its little wonder the English want to hold onto Berwick upon tweed.!
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Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 21:23:28
Sorry but I don't want Berwickers to be Scottish. They are just a bunch of opportunist asylum seekers.

Cant beleive so much hay is being made about this utter joke of a subject. Oh, I forgot.. it's to squeeze in a few lies about Alex Salmond and his imperialist ambitions, ha ha very funny Scotsman. Pull the other one.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/02/2008 21:27:01
Forget Braveheart, remember McGlashen from Absolutely.

He, he, he, he, he.

But jest ye not. This is a plot from the covert nats at the hootsman. Place is riddled with them, Kimba of the south-east of Scotland.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 18/02/2008 21:34:47
Scotsman

Another wee gem of a headline literally untrue, but designed for maximum provocation.



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St. George,

England 18/02/2008 21:41:26
No. 20.

Over here, we say Canada is New England, U.S.A.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 21:46:40
245 Voice From Scotland

When James VI of Scotland became King of England, he was officially referred to in contemporary documents as James, King of England, VI of Scotland. He did not become officially known as James I until we had a James II. Same with the Henrys, Edwards etc but there have been 8 each of those.

People may call her Elizabeth I of Scotland but in fact she would be correctly called Elizabeth, Queen of Scots as she is the first Queen Elizabeth of Scotland.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 18/02/2008 22:01:18
James also styled himself as 'James, King of Great Britain, France and Ireland'.

Bit of a cheek really, I don't suppose the French King was too chuffed about that.
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Eve,

Scotland 18/02/2008 22:35:47
It's up to the people of Berwick, what they want and/or need!!! Scotland or England it is only there decision to make! I'm happy with what ever they choice.

#29 Amaury,,: What year/ decade or century are you living in?
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Eve,

Scotland 18/02/2008 22:48:42
#24 Jardine: Who said anything about taking or retaking!!

I think the main thing is that people who live in these areas are happy. And if the people who live there have good reasons to believe that life would be better for them if they where Scottish and NOT English then they are more than welcome to rejoin our country, as far as I'm concerned.

Providing that they know they aren't going to change their minds every 2mins, so to speak (or every decade or so), because being Scottish doesn't suite them for that day, week etc. for some random reason.
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Steve,

Bo'ness 18/02/2008 23:54:35
Just been researching this "story"

Everything Alex Salmond has said on the subject (and it hasn't been a lot) has been against Berwick coming back under Scottish control.

So the Scotsman is telling porkies.
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langtonian,

scotus 19/02/2008 11:53:34
Another of Alex Salmond's diversionary tactics in an effort to deflect from some up and coming "difficult" problems.

One suspects all is not sweetness and light within the SNP camp lines,the cobblled budget is about to turn upside down and cause the 33 Scottish councils a deal more difficulty than COSLA/Alex Salmond/John Swinney have bargained for.

The next pronouncement from Alex Salmond is forecast to fall on 1st. of April a most suitable date for any such event.
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Sanny,

Upwey 19/02/2008 12:05:44
This is not Journalism it is simple proactive porpaganda in an attempt to show Salmond in a bad light as a simple opportunist.

Compare this article with the one in the Telegraph: -
Quote
Now Liberal Democrat and Scottish National Party politicians in the Scottish parliament have put forward separate motions calling for Berwick to be restored to Scottish rule.

Mr Salmond has insisted that he is not planning a land grab.

A spokesman for the Scottish Executive said it had "no territorial demands on its friends and neighbours".
EndQuote.
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kimba,

19/02/2008 12:16:15
256.Salmond may not be,pity his colleagues don't feel the same.
193

langtonian,

scotus 19/02/2008 13:03:11
#256 Sanny,upway
The first sentence you have it in one.

Salmond is an opporunist.

He gambles,ie- Threatning to resign, as he did over the budget, does not place a great deal of confidence in his long term capabillity to resist the lure of planting himself on the benches of Westminster before this term ends in 2011.
194

conner,

perth 26/02/2008 23:42:50
Some of the comments here concern the visceral disgust of many Scots at being in any way associated with the impure English ( see reference to "English blood" )above. For tips on addressing this preoccupation, why not consult "mein kampf".
195

BorderLineScottish,

23/02/2009 13:15:50
If this happens, I'll have to move f@@@cking house again! I left Scotland once, twice is becoming a joke!

 

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