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Published Date: 06 July 2009
SCOTLAND'S justice secretary has upped the pressure on Westminster to devolve control over firearms in a letter to new Home Secretary Alan Johnson.
Kenny MacAskill has urged Mr Johnson to grant Scotland complete control over firearms legislation, after a top-level commission advised the rules surrounding airguns only should be passed to Holyrood.

The move emerged as the Scottish Government
launched a fresh campaign to highlight the dangers of airguns.

The campaign will include website adverts, posters and leaflets, and comes at the height of summer when use of firearms traditionally is at its highest.

A similar campaign earlier in the year saw more than 130,000 plays of the internet "viral" advert and almost 15,000 visits to the campaign website.

Mr MacAskill said: "Airguns are not toys, but weapons that can kill and maim. There have been tragedies that have caused pain and injury to children and animals. That's why we believe that action must be taken.

"We have been working closely with our police forces – and they've told us that long summer days, light evenings and school holidays mean that incidents peak in the summer months.

"That's why we've decided to run another burst of our successful campaign to highlight the dangers of airgun misuse."

Mr MacAskill said that there would be "no let-up" on the SNP's campaign to reform gun laws.

Last month, Sir Kenneth Calman, chairman of a commission set up to examine devolution, advised Scotland should get powers to regulate airguns. But Mr MacAskill insists the move would not go far enough.

"While I do welcome the recommendations from the Calman Commission that the law on airguns should be devolved, I believe all firearms legislation should be included.

"We need a firearms system that is consistent, easier to understand and enforce: not the current muddled legislation.

"I've written to the new Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, urging him to devolve firearms law in its entirety. This will enable us to put a system in place that meets Scotland's needs.

"That can help us protect Scottish communities. Until it happens, we'll continue to do what we can to educate Scots about the dangers of these weapons."

Calls for a ban on airguns have grown since the death of two-year-old Andrew Morton, who was shot with a pellet near his home in Glasgow in 2005.





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  • Last Updated: 05 July 2009 9:43 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 06/07/2009 00:51:08
#1

Actually, if you kept up with politics you'd be aware that the SNP called for this over a year ago - before Calman. The Westminster government and Labour rejected handing responsibility over firearms to the Scottish Government, claiming a Britain wide solution was better, which makes it all the more surprising that Calman made the proposal. Perhaps you're parochial attachment to the Westminster village has blinkered you.
2

syntax,

Edinburgh 06/07/2009 01:35:58
Here we go again. The government are so incompetent they have no conrol over 'real' guns and criminals - what is the point in passing yet more gun laws that are quite simply ignored. Try enforcing existing legislation before trying to implement even more ! Air guns are dangerous - yep - so are kitchen knives in the hands of idiots !! Why not try and deal with those who are causing the problem instead of targeting everyone - oh, I know. Our politicians are too stupid' Let's ban smoking for everyone - let's dictate what you can or cannot eat - let's impose more legislation on a people who are groaning under the strain or existing (unenforced) legislation.

We are heading for civil unrest - watch out......
3

Statsman,

Edinburgh 06/07/2009 03:09:22
Tax. Ban. Tax. Ban. x Infinity = Governance

This is the formula for running Scotland whether Labour, Lib. Dem. or SNP.

It would be nice to have a choice at the elections instead of puritans forcing their evangelical views on us all.
4

English Voice,

06/07/2009 07:20:05
Disgrace! The SNP picking more fights with Westminster and grand-standing on the constitution.

High time they left that us Unionists and our Calman commission!
5

donald,

glasgow 06/07/2009 07:20:10
Ban Trident!
6

overton,

aberdeen 06/07/2009 07:31:47
MacAskill and the SNP are making such a mess of things, including law and order, that they've again decided to divert attention onto Firearms Legislation which is actually working extraordinarily well.

Let's see where the firearms that are used in robberies and drive by shootings come from because you can rest assured that they do not come into the country via law abiding shotgun and firearms certificate holders.

Any misuse of airguns (which are not licenced) should be via a legal system that knows how to punish criminals of whatever age or social background.
7

Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 06/07/2009 07:53:12
I wish I had had a gun at 0530 this morning, The magpies and the crows would have been wasted.
8

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 06/07/2009 09:02:30
Stand by for yet another brain-dead ban that will have no effect on those who break the law, but will instead hit the responsible minority.

Hint to MacAskill and Co... ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS.

It is ALREADY illegal to:-

1. Shoot children
2. Shoot your neighbour from across the road
3. Shoot people's pets
4. Shoot people's windows out
5. Shoot at vehicles
6. Discharge a weapon in a public place

Why do we need yet another brain-dead ban?
9

The Tin Man,

06/07/2009 09:21:22
"SCOTLAND'S justice secretary has upped the pressure on Westminster to devolve control over firearms in a letter to new Home Secretary Alan Johnson."

How thrilling...

Most murders in Scotland are committed with knives, but McAskill is more interested in haggis.
10

Rob, Edin,

Sunny Leith 06/07/2009 09:47:05
That little boy was killed by the moron who pulled the trigger NOT by the airgun. Such morons will not care that the gun they posses is illegal. Did the ban on hand guns work? Alex Salmond should get rid of this clown - there is no chance of me voting SNP again if MacAskil is still in office.
11

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 06/07/2009 09:49:02
#10:

"...but McAskill is more interested in haggis."

Just as well.

MacAskill's idea of dealing with the knife problem would be to ban/restrict the sale of stanley knives and similar in DIY stores.

Once again, this measure would have no effect whatsoever on the criminals and once again, it would inconvenience and restrict the actions of law abiding people.
12

Phil o Brian,

06/07/2009 09:55:29
3# Thanks. Saved me saying it.
13

Yonthing!,

06/07/2009 10:30:40
While I have deepest sympathy with the victims of incidents, there are far more pressing matters for the Scottish Government to tackle:

Homelessness
Employment
Environment

These affect thousands of people EVERY DAY. Firearms deaths are a tiny percentage of the problem (more people in Scotland have died of Swine Flu this year), and while every death is a terrible loss, the Government has a responsibility to do the best for the most number of people.

The SNP is using the evocative death of a small boy to attempt to win public support for the SNP - it has no real concern for Firearms legislation. They only wants to win votes at the next election (as, sadly, so most of the other candidates)

Make your MP/MSP work - don't re-elect them!
14

Farky,

Edinburgh 06/07/2009 10:34:17
SNP picking fights...? I like that! So long as they pick fights that need fighting. That is what the Scottish people would expect, rather than the previous Lib/Lab executive who were barely allowed to think for themselves!
15

hoblar,

06/07/2009 10:50:21
A bunch of labourtory desperados who are pro nuclear weapons as Donald above has hinted: the opportunity to kill millions of innocent men women and children in a foreign land appeals to them, so they are bound to be frightened at Scotland getting control of firearms and the laws pertaining to them.

It is a larf and a half reading the lonely labourites bang on about the unemployment and recession that Gordon brown et al have created-Scotland will deal with that by NOT voting in Labour clowns, meanwhile if the article is about firearm control then that is the reason it is being discussed.

16

hoblar,

06/07/2009 10:55:11
Coco: "Most murders in Scotland are committed with knives, but McAskill is more interested in haggis."

This knife thingy a new phenomenon in scotland then?

Pity people weren't getting chibbed or murdered in Scotland while the dreaded Tories or indeed equally dreaded labour were in power and able to do something about it otherwise it would all be sorted eh?

I mean to say, knife crime and murder by the blade is non existent in London isn't it, particularly among teenagers.

Must be the skills of Boris the mayor, this huge reduction in knife crime.

You see, nobody believes for a second that labour or the Tories are capable of tackling crime in any meaningful manner as they have always failed to do so when they had the opportunity.

17

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/07/2009 10:56:24
Of course Westminster should comply with this request.

The Unionists have painted themselves into a corner with the whole Calman debacle. Why delay in transferring all of the powers he suggests? Do it now and bring us yet another step closer to independence.
18

drunken proffet,

Tassy 06/07/2009 10:58:50
Next year we are going to have an all inclusive law that covers what is wrong with Scotland. Until then you are going to have to put up with the minor and so called frivolous details that will go toward that law. It is a first step and I believe it was the Chinese that said it was all that was needed for a thousand mile journey. See being on the outside looking in, you cannot beat me.
19

Yeah1,

06/07/2009 11:16:23
#17 Hoblar:

Just because previous administrations have failed to doing anything about knife crime does not mean that the current administration should not be criticised when they too fail to do anything about knife crime.
20

Yeah1,

06/07/2009 11:16:46
#19

"Next year we are going to have an all inclusive law that covers what is wrong with Scotland."

What law is that?
21

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 06/07/2009 12:23:21
Yet another step forward for the SNP Administration, and Kenny McAskill.

Fact is that no one - certainly not the louts,thugs and cretins that are attracted to such dangerous weapons-living in towns and citys require guns of any sort.

And reading the usual drivel posted above ; "it was not
a gun that killed the child but the man behind the trigger", is quite frankly vomit-inducing!

We, as a society need to eradicate guns,not least their increased use by Police and Brit Military.
22

drunken proffet,

Tassy 06/07/2009 12:51:31
When I was a kid, I had an airgun, nearly shot my mother. We had bows and arrows, maybe one or two got scewered. Catapults, well a large ball bearing can do a lot of damage. Not a good idea to keep the next generation frustrated, just keep them under control. Maybe a wee firing range would keep them happy, not a lot wrong with an AK47 for happy days and holidays. I could be wrong, there is no one who would attack Scotland in the next hundred years. Apart from extra terrestial aliens mind you. Who would believe in them?
23

Number 6,

Germany 06/07/2009 12:56:02
Once again, the Unionista flock panic at the thought of their masters relinquishing more power to Holyrood.

The nightmares of being left to govern their own affairs, will continue.
24

Allan(handofgod137),

06/07/2009 14:14:05
Yet more diversionary tactics from an idiot who can't use the already existing laws, seeking to divert attention away from his many failures.
#22 You're an idiot!
25

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 06/07/2009 15:33:57
#25 Such enlightened comments, coming from an educated, intelligent, NEW LABOUR "Gentleman"
like yourself are deeply moving.

And I'm sure that Accident and Emergency staff across the Nation are, even now, singing your praises, delighted that a great man such as yourself has taken this argument forward, and won the day. Hurrah !

Wus ah a bit heavy handed on yon old industrial strength sarcasm ? hahhahhahahahhahaha
26

overton,

aberdeen 06/07/2009 17:07:50
26 Ronald Penman,

Reviewing your strange almost hysterical and irrational postings I must say that I generally disagree with you, but it is clear that you alone should certainly have no access to firearms or air guns as you come over like a raving imbecile.
27

veritas1,

clack's 06/07/2009 17:55:12
24, well said number six, it's obvious from some of the comments here that it is the thought of the loss of power that upsets our unionist friends more than the loss of an eye or even a life.

Strange people, no wonder less and less agree with them every day.
28

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 06/07/2009 18:58:27
#27 Ah a right-wing rant from the Land of Sheep.

Tragically we don't agree - at all !

But I will try and console myself - by redoubling my efforts against gun nutters and similar reprebates
like yourself.

29

Alan B,

06/07/2009 19:42:57
I think many of the posters are missing the point.

Scotland has a separate legal system. The justice system is devolved as is policing.

As such it is just stupid to have westminster controlling firearms and drugs etc.

With clear lines of responsibility then it is up to the public to decide via the ballot box whether they want a hard line on guns or a more liberal approach.

30

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06/07/2009 21:07:09
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31

Allan(handofgod137),

06/07/2009 22:55:10
#26 Neither old nor new labour, the reason I call you an idiot is you fail to see that only totalitarians wish to ban guns. If the gnats were truly serious about shaping Scotland's future as an independent nation, then they would be using the powers they already have to improve things, rather than doing sweet fa as they have been, and whining that their hands are tied without futher powers. In conclusion, as any SENSIBLE person can see this as self evident, you are an idiot.
32

Andy Dufrane,

United States, Texas 07/07/2009 02:41:38
Mr MacAskill said: "Airguns are not toys, but weapons that can kill and maim..." What I want to know, is this guy for real? "Kill and maim"? Is he talking about a BB-gun or an automatic machine gun (that shoots actual bullets)? When I was a kid we would all get googles and thick clothes and have BB-gun wars. We would shoot each other with them, we would get a little sting and we would know if we got hit, then you were out. Nobody was killed, nobody was maimed.
You people in scotland are being treated with outrages propaganda from those who seem to think you are all a bunch of pansys with your heads in your bum. The answer to 1984, is 1776.
33

Patriot61,

Untied States 07/07/2009 03:31:35
Anyone that wants to ban firearms is a tyrant - the government (no matter in what country) only wants to control the public.
Here in the US they are trying to ban guns and the leftists media makes it osund like there is a rash of gun violence but they cannot explain the reduction of crime in the cities that people are allowed to conceal and carry.

I go the gun range 2-3 times a month - there are over 150 people a day that shoot at this range from 10 am to 5 pm - we are law abiding citizens. Our politicians don't seem to want to enforce the existing gun laws here either. The funny thing is - when the economy is bad like it is now, they want to release criminals from jails because there is a lack of funds, they cut the ploice force for lack of funds, they want to ban every way possible to defend yourself....go figure.

So then, if abortions kill children - then the doctors must be murderers.

34

hoblar,

07/07/2009 11:07:05
Hark at the big bad American postulating that 'bb guns' are incapable of killing.

In Scotland there have indeed been deaths by the use of air rifles, and that includes children dying.

We also have an unenviable usage of illegal firearms by criminals, and no ordinary Scot has been allowed by 'law' (not that British law exists) to bear arms since 1746, just like 'bearing tartan' or bearing a musical instrument" were banned although they were returned to us guns were not, and that is a good thing because the last thing we need is teenagers or adults drunk, in an argument, and then having access to firearms.

America has decent people in it, but you misinterpret the right to bear arms as being some sort of carte blanche for any tom dick or john doe to possess a gun, and then you look at the gun crime and gun related deaths and see Columbia or the middle east being little worse.

Yet canada has about the same ratio of legal gun possession, with a tiny fraction of gun related crime and deaths, so don't get too excited bud.

The right to bear arms was made to ensure that 'the people' could have a militia able to oppose a dictatorship government should that ever happen, the nearest you got to it was when the colonial Brits forced you to take up arms against their taxation laws that crippled you and left America with no democratic redress.

Now the right to bear arms is related to the right to shoot a gun at 'anyone', not a rogue government.
35

hoblar,

07/07/2009 11:15:27
"Just because previous administrations have failed to doing anything about knife crime does not mean that the current administration should not be criticised when they too fail to do anything about knife crime."

Well said that the unionist parties fail to deal with weapons, exactly why you'll agree that devolvement of the required powers is essential for a Scottish Government, and of course any failure of this current Government if mentioned by someone like yourself is subject to scrutiny as your type isn't renowned for being factual.

That would sound better if it didn't come from a unionist supporter desperate to consistently talk mince about the Scottish government whereas the rest of us are commenting as people in Scotland with genuine concerns about the ignorance Whitehall displays even towards the recommendations of the mickey mouse calman commission.
36

Yonthing!,

07/07/2009 11:34:25
#30, Alan B

"I think many of the posters are missing the point."

No, you are missing the point. While there are vast differences in the legal system, the principles and concepts are identical, and there is very little that is legal in one jurisdiction, an illegal in the other.

It is almost impossible to legislate differently between Scotland and the rest of the UK for tangible moveable items, simply because they are moveable.

Are we going to introduce Border controls?
37

hoblar,

07/07/2009 12:34:07
"While there are vast differences in the legal system, the principles and concepts are identical, and there is very little that is legal in one jurisdiction, an illegal in the other.

It is almost impossible to legislate differently between Scotland and the rest of the UK for tangible moveable items, simply because they are moveable.

Are we going to introduce Border controls?"

Nope.

Er, if you got a year in jail for possessing an air-rifle in Scotland (for instance) but you didn't get more than a kick in the butt in England, what need for border controls?

It is the application of the law of the land that applies, in this case Scotland, and if we have the power to change a law that suits the circumstances peculiar to Scotland, then that would be the general idea mate.

Far better than the pretence that Scotland and England share the same view on everything therefore it is either not required (which you imply) or too difficult (which you also imply) to have differences or different approaches to Government and laws-this is simply not true.

For instance, if you took an air rifle to France, whether you were from Scotland or indeed England, then the laws of france would apply were you caught.

The same applies to ANY law that applies to Scotland and yet doesn't apply to anywhere else.

Therefore that is a silly interpretation of any devolved power that you have given, entirely wrong.
38

Rasco,

07/07/2009 12:59:49
Why no mention of the 1000 + prisoners missing from English jails in this paper including rapists,murders and robbers,don't know if some are still in the country,is the Grey man going to call on Jack Straw to go,this seems a lot worse than our Justice Sec.was being accused of.
39

Patriot61,

08/07/2009 01:33:21
hoblar,

We in America have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We have the right to defend ourselves. Sure the 2nd amendamnet gives us the right to bear arms - even if it is to maintain a militia to defend ourselves from a takoever by foreign or domestic governments. It also means we have the right to defend ourselves. I will defend that right, actaully I will defend our Constitution for that matter - it is the best in the world.
Guns are inanimate objects just like a spoon and fork - they do not know how to kill - put it in the hands of a criminal and it can kill.
I am all for laws that put people away for using a firearm while drinking or being drunk, I am also for laws putting people away for using a firearm in a crime - whether or not they killed someone.
But to penalize law abiding citizens for the stupidity of others because the police, judges, and lawyers can't keep the criminals locked up is insane.
In Canada - crime has risen since they aboilish firearms - there are politicians there who want the gun ban to be revoked.
I never said I was a big bad American - I was stating that when a governemnt wants to take away your means to defend yourself your in deep trouble. They will control you like sheep heading for slaughter. A pliceman (or Bobby) does not have to take a bullet for you. In our country we dial 911 for emergency - heck by the time the police respond you could be dead - now if you are able to defend yourself with a firearm you can call 911 and have them either come and arrest the criminal or clean up the mess after you put him down.
As I mentioned before - in conceal carry cities the crime has dropped - that is becasue the idiots are afraid of picking on the wrong person.
I 'll leave you with two quotes:
Better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.
When the public is armned you have a government fearing the people - when you have an unarmed public you end up fearing the government.
I j
40

Electric Hermit,

08/07/2009 09:30:19
40
Patriot61

"Guns are inanimate objects just like a spoon and fork..."

Guns are not like spoons or forks. Guns have no function other than to threaten or inflict injury or death.

I realise this may come as a shock to you, but not all of us look to the US as an exemplar.


 

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