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Published Date: 07 January 2009
FIVE Scottish towns that will be the most blighted by widespread high-street closures have been named today.
The Scotsman understands that Clydebank, Kirkintilloch, Rutherglen, Cumbernauld and Kilmarnock will suffer the biggest fallout from the downturn in the retail sector.

The towns were singled out for already having empty premises and as those most reliant on chain store firms that have folded in recent months.

The centres were named by a business researcher, Experian, which also warned that one in seven shops across the UK would be empty by the end of this year.

The devastating forecast came despite better than expected results for some high-street giants, including Debenhams, Next and Co-op.

The Scottish Retail Consortium also confirmed it feared that, unlike previous recessions, Scotland would not buck the slump as so many of the country's high streets now have UK-wide chain stores. High streets and shopping centres that relied on foot traffic from now-defunct chains such as Woolworths, Dolcis and Stead & Simpson were particularly vulnerable.

Jonathan de Mello, director of property consultancy at Experian, said the Scottish towns named already had a high proportion of vacant retail space.

"The situation can only get worse for these towns going forwards as more retailers suffer the fallout from poor Christmas trading and seek to reduce their store portfolios as a result or go into administration," he said.

"The unprecedented level of retail vacancy will be disproportionately spread across Britain, so that smaller retail destinations will be worse affected. The loss of major multiples such as Woolworths will leave a significant gap in these towns and is likely to have a knock-on effect with other retailers.

"Many local authorities and centre managers will face a challenge this year, as they seek to reverse the effects of retail decline."

Across Britain, there would be a devastating impact on people's livelihoods, with more jobs going in the wake of closures of household names such as Woolworths, MFI and the Pier.

Mr de Mello added: "Britain is still a nation of shopkeepers and the retail sector is one of the UK's largest employers. It is not just people directly employed by retailers that will suffer from the fallout this Christmas, it is also their suppliers and service providers."

But Fiona Moriarty, the director of the Scottish Retail Consortium, said rural towns could escape the worst of the fallout as residents, particularly those in the Highlands and Islands, did not have alternative shopping destinations nearby and would still spend locally.

But for many high streets and shopping centres, she agreed the outlook was gloomy. "It has been a very difficult 2008 and, in the first quarter of 2009, a number of retailers will not be able to continue trading."

She added Scotland had always traded proportionately better than the rest of the UK but warned this time could be different. "We are in unprecedented times. The current crisis is a UK-wide one."

"Mid-tier" retailers, in particular those associated with homewares and electronics, are expected to struggle through the downturn while discount and superstores could perform better as more customers "downgrade" to cheaper brands for basic items and fashion purchases.

The full article contains 540 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Darien,

Panama 07/01/2009 00:07:45
New Labour towns bite the dust.

Vote SNP ya tubes!
2

Marga,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 00:17:17
And Mr Brown's Kirkcaldy?
3

Forward not Back,

07/01/2009 00:17:28
Interesting that they are only focusing on the retail sector here and it is correct to say that the West Coast will be affected more here because the level of disposable income is lower. However, the real ghost town is going to be Edinburgh when the impact of job losses in HBoS and RBS takes hold, coupled with cuts in the insurers. The knock-on effects from that in Edinburgh, not to mention the Lothians and Fife, make it the real ghost town of this recession.
4

S'me,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 00:27:47
# 1 ,you sound a pleasant, educated fellow
5

Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen 07/01/2009 00:32:08
It follows that because the central belt is the most populous, it is going to be hit worst.

The best I can do at the moment is suggest everyone moves up to Aberdeen because Mr. Trump is in dire need of people to put hi resort together. Plus, Aberdeen is stinking rich!
6

John1988,

Lochgilphead 07/01/2009 00:34:24
#1

Absolutly correct, towns that vote for new labout tend to be deprived areas..

Vote SNP
7

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07/01/2009 00:41:34
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Dragonhead,

Dalian, China 07/01/2009 01:02:37
Kirkintilloch (was dry then)Morag Brown, I remember her and the place well.
Greed has caused this crisis, pure and simple.Who started it all?
9

Helene,

Ontario, Canada 07/01/2009 01:29:03
Okay, Charles #7, I do my bit as an expat by being a "mad" (it's okay, I know you mean me no harm!)tourist in Edinburgh and area, so this summer I'll try to spend, especially if the pound is weak against the dollar CAD.
The picture is much the same in many parts of Canada - simply too many shops/retail for the size of the population. They are just not sustainable.
10

FerryPort,

07/01/2009 01:40:22
Let all (foreign) journalists into Gaza now
11

Brian Hill,

07/01/2009 01:55:36
On Newsnight last night Iain McWhirter painted a grim picture of what the 'real' economy will look like by the last possible date for a Westminster election in 2010, with unemployment hitting 3 million.

He sees this current temporary rise in the markets as being a good opportunity for Brown to go to the country.

Prof Curtice and the Times reporter also thought a General Election on the same day as the European Elections was a strong possibility.

No doubt when Tavish Scott put his party on Election alert recently he had been advised of the economic picture by Vince Cable, and no one at Westminster reads the economic signs better than him.

Certainly the economic darkness is closing in on Labour, opportunities will get thinner on the ground by June. The economic crunch is here the Political Crunch is coming.
12

Forward not Back,

07/01/2009 02:09:23
#11 - If Brown goes early, I would half-heartedly campaign against him if I were in the Conservatives or the SNP. The fact is that if Labour stay in No 10 this time around they will be wiped out in the subsequent 2012/2013 election (depending on majority) rather like the Tories were in 1997. Winning a general election now would be the ultimate poisoned chalice.
13

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 07/01/2009 02:13:02
INDIAN.BREAKFAST.SIGNS.EVERY.WHERE
14

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 02:13:09

Helene ~9,

Thankyou for the understanding, when I say the word "Mad", it is that they, who go out in shorts and massive, 'Back Packs', in the pouring rain, that I, refer to!
Or the ones that see, Edinburgh Castle, then proceed to put a camera tripod up in Princes Street Pavements, to take Pictures, blocking the pavement in total, for the rest off us!
It is if they have seen the,...'Coming of the Lord'!

Maybe they did! :))

15

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07/01/2009 02:16:57
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 02:22:17


Makes one Wonder though!!!

Why can others do it well, and we cannot?

Want to Know, do we?

One has 'Standards' while others have 'Greed'!

SPEAKS VOLUMES, DON'T IT?

Unfortunately, no-matter the "Volume" We do not see it!

Self infliction!, comes to mind!


17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 02:55:28


Talking about the Wonder, of the, 'Coming of the Lord'

Where is our, "Boy Wonder"?

I am concerned about him!

Is he ill, deceased, or don't want to be part of our family, anymore?

Scotsman News!!, we need an answer!

18

Rodster,

Glasgow /Dubai 07/01/2009 04:16:35
+11 & 12 as to election timing etc.
If quisling Broon and his cohorts manage to pull off another con job then to quote Michelle mone "I'm outta here"
I thought after Tories of Thatcher that I could never see a worse government in my life for Scotland/UK.
How wrong was I?
At least with Tories we knew what we were getting ,but this lot ,are the most corrupt , dishonest,incompetent ,useless pieces of humanity that it is possible to imagine.
I have a business that fortunately is immune to these kind of downturns,but should they get in again I will sell it the very next day.
This is not Labour type lies and scaremongering it is fact, I will be on a plane to Dubai the very earliest opportunity never to return.
Our country is at a tiping point ,it cannot take another term of lies and noses in the trough Labour, even the tories would be more acceptable than this bunch of carpetbaggers
19

Dekester,

Canada's Westcoast 07/01/2009 04:46:47
Rodster #18. Is right on the money.

Scotland is at a tipping point. The world is a big place, and capital, people and their ideas can move freely around the globe and quickly.

We feel for the old in Scotland. They really have been fed alot of garbage, and many are now stuck in third world living conditions.

Immigration from Scotland has been massive over the decades, and Scotland has "lost" so many good and industrious people. The SNP and an independent nation will see Scotlands fortunes turn for the better.

It appears more will be on the move. Crikey we bought pounds this week at $1.76 (Can) that is really cheap. I think it was last this weak at the time of SOROS and his run at the pound in the nineties. The Scots should watch for higher food prices in the not too distant future.

All the best.
20

drunken proffet,

Tassy 07/01/2009 05:16:10
That would not include the ghost towns produced by the Labour fiasco in the late seventies. Then you got bookies, charity shops, accountants, entertainment centres and lawyers to replace the guys like greengrocers or ironmongers. Nothing very much changes really.
21

Rodster,

glasgow/dubai 07/01/2009 05:27:41
=20 drunken proffet. How true nothing changes ,not even the voting patterns of the people worsed affected.
I think it was Churchill that said " a country gets the government it deserves" waht the F@uk did we do to merit Broon and CO?
22

Rodster,

glasgow/dubai 07/01/2009 05:27:43
=20 drunken proffet. How true nothing changes ,not even the voting patterns of the people worsed affected.
I think it was Churchill that said " a country gets the government it deserves" waht the F@uk did we do to merit Broon and CO?
23

Angleland Isover,

07/01/2009 06:41:22
Its the nature of the quisling to stick with the bad master. They know nothing else.
24

drunken proffet,

Tassy 07/01/2009 07:00:29
I would have thought that the Scottish Government would have given the Scottish Labour Party and the Scottish Trade Union Association a grant of say twenty five million to help them into the 21st Century. I mean Scotland is a socialist country. Who are you going to vote for apart for the SNP ten years from now.
Just as long as the courses are carried out at the local Technical College rather than Gleneagles Hotel.
25

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07/01/2009 07:10:37
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Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 07/01/2009 07:15:10
Quoting Judy Garland, "Follow the Yellow Brick Road". I did and it was one of my better moves.
27

Grahamski,

Falkirk 07/01/2009 07:47:14
#1
Charming. And in a few brief words this poster demonstrates exactly why the people of Glenrothes found the more extreme nationalist views quite so repugnant.
28

caithness,

07/01/2009 08:09:14
The only town I know on this list is Cumbernauld. Whoever designed that concrete shopping centre should be sentenced to hard labour for as long as it takes to pull the thing down.
29

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07/01/2009 08:10:37
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30

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 08:11:23
Forget the current economic situation,out of town retail parks and supermarkets/superstores have contributed and are contributing to the decline of many high streets.
31

SS,

07/01/2009 08:16:10
Sadly, I think number 3 is correct. If Labour return to power I also think I will seriously consider remaining in the UK. I really cannot imagine 5 more years of this lot.
32

Nailhead401,

sitebased 07/01/2009 08:17:45
there must have been an economic downturn in Wishaw for the last 20 years as it seems most of the shops are always empty!
if the trend for building out of town retail parks continues what do you expect?
the story states that they have been listed as ghost towns some have always been ghost towns since the day they were built!
33

brownlie,

07/01/2009 08:18:56
28 Grahamski

Do you mean the 7,000 postal voters in Glenrothes who take their summer holidays in November?
34

Grahamski,

Falkirk 07/01/2009 08:24:28
34
No, I mean the electorate in Glenrothes who were sickened by the SNP's ghoulish campaigning whilst a good man lay sick, they were revolted by the sniggering of the nats at social conditions and were turned off the SNP by their buffoonish leader who took them for granted and declared victory before a vote was cast.
Interestingly the nats continue to blame anybody but themselves when they fail......
35

TWC,

07/01/2009 08:29:48
The ghost town definition should perhaps be applied where the high street is full of £ shops and Charity shops.
The ratio of these shops to real retailers has been soaring over the last 10 years.
Scotland needs some very big changes.
BTW Labour heartland is shrinking take Beith and Kilbirnie voting SNP Councillors; this is a real shift in Scotland. Labour no longer have the answers in Scotland.
The Holyrood front bench are useless No proposals just moan moan moan
36

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 08:33:43
The Scottish government should be squeezing every single penny in the Budget. Cut out the smoking cessation officers, the Childrens Commissioners Office, all support for illegal immigrants, misuse of the legal aid system and all the other useless nonsense. It should all be diverted to aprenticeships, research and development in MANUFACTURING, scientific advance, biotechnologies, green energy. Real, sustainable jobs for the future.
37

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 07/01/2009 08:48:53

Much of the blame lies with planners who, through their incompetence, negligence and/or corruption, have allowed the "tescofication" of so many parts of the country. These large shopping centres and supermarkets have raped the natural balance of retail trade and put nothing back into the local economies in return.

For sure, they have provided considerable employment but this is balanced out by all the jobs lost as a result of the enforced closure of local retailers. Once they have priced out the native competition, prices quickly rise again, often to a higher level that those previously charged by the local traders. However, whilst the profits earned by local traders generally get ploughed back into the local economy in various forms, the profits of the national multiples have largely been soaked up by City of London controlled investment managers.

The 1947 Town & Country Planning Act was one of the best researched and best thought out pieces of legislation of the 20th century - it had to be in the economic aftermath of the second world war. Unfortunately, its economic values and principles were quickly abandoned in favour of self-interest, corporate greed and political idealism.

38

Boy Wonder,

07/01/2009 08:54:12
#17 ... Chuckles, I am very, very busy these days and don't have all the time you seem to have, to sit at a computer commenting on things I know little about ... again, as you seem to do. I also get fed up with your stupidity and your rants, because they are in the main, a lot of nonsense, with poor grammar and understanding of language. Your 95 year-old senility is showing through, Chuckles and you've become a joke on these boards!
Your pro-Labour stance is like this "newspaper"'s ... blind and grasping at whatever they can to do down the idea of a strong, independant Scotland. We don't need negativity of or unthinking stupidity like yours!
I have other, better things to do with my time .. So you can "wonder" no more!
39

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 07/01/2009 08:59:33
#37 Draco
I agree that a lot of the unnecessary and cumbersome Big Brother and Nanny-State machinery should be dismantled or at least put on hold but, in my view, we should be looking at the support and consolidation of existing businesses at this time rather than boldly going into speculative new ventures. This would protect jobs and services while creating a proper solid platform to take advantage of the upturn when it comes.
40

Fecker,

07/01/2009 09:02:27
surely it is just the market realigning itself to a more realistic level, we as a country have been living well above our means for far too long, we need to swallow a harsh reality pill.
Cumbernauld is a dump in any case, it should be bulldozed and would be no great loss.
41

FreddieIII,

Scotland 07/01/2009 09:14:17
Surely Inverness must be included in the top ten centres to suffer. The 'old town' is already full of empty or charity shops. Woolworths has now closed and the large retail park with free parking has taken a large part of the footfall. The GAP closed a year or so ago - the rising fuel costs earlier last year meant that supplying Inverness was too cost prohibitive and it will mean that other stores will be looking at margin, so it can only get worse up there.
42

brownlie,

07/01/2009 09:39:11
35 Grahamski

Whilst the "good man lay sick" what were the UK Government doing to help him and other victims of the same malady?

Whilst the "good man lay sick" why were the constituents without a Member of Parliament whilst the UK Government was conniving to try and work out the best way to win the election. The extravagant number of postal votes was only one of the results of this deliberation.

As the country sinks deeper into debt, depression and despair it will not just the SNP playing the blame game.

It will also be disillusioned voters, including those of Glenrothes, who put their blind trust in Labour not because of what it is but because of what they think it should be. When they are out of work and shivering in poverty the realisation will eventually dawn and the worm will surely turn.
43

Banjo Face,

07/01/2009 09:39:34
#1 How is the SNP branch in Panama?

#39 C'mon, the "tescofication" of so many parts of the country. These large shopping centres and supermarkets have raped the natural balance of retail trade and put nothing back into the local economies in return".

Tesco (and the M74 extension) is the best thing to happen to Rutherglen in years. Don't really believe this research anyway. Apart from Woolies there's chuff all else of any value to close in the Main Street, save for a few butchers and fishmongers who seem to be surviving despite Tesco. I guess what Tesco has delivered in better choice and value for customers - it's always busy enough - and a lot of local jobs.

Yes I live in in Rutherglen. No, I don't work for Tesco.
44

Elephant,

Linlithgow 07/01/2009 09:51:19
2 points...
1. A trip down the shops is one of life's little pleasures. Stick a Pizza Express where Zavvi was and your high street will be laughing. Spending is being reigned in on cars and houses and other big purchases. This should be our focus. Retailers go out of biz 'cause they are useless and dated, which brings me onto:
2.The value of goods bought on the internet rose to a weekly average of £220m in December and accounted for 3.8% of all sales, compared with 2.8% in June. I got sick of the sight of white delivery fans down my street in the run up to Christmas. As online becomes a more reliable way to shop it will keep growing.
Lets take this recession as an opportunity to cut the chaff invest where its needed. The SNP are always banging on about having a high-tech economy after all...
45

MacGhillieBhain,

Aberdeen 07/01/2009 09:54:40
#32----Sadly etc.----- If I had a pound every time I heard that since 1945,I would be rich.It's a case of "what can my country do for me?" and not the other way round.If people feel that way,they should go and be done with it.It's a free country,anyone can come and go as they please.If things don't turn out so good,nobody will stop anybody from coming back.
46

armchairfun,

07/01/2009 09:55:46
Worringly for Kilmarnock even Tesco have stopped building there, things must be getting bad. Glad i left.
47

11+failed,

the pans 07/01/2009 10:00:28
Having taken action to save the world it shouldn't be too difficult for Mr Brown to save five small Scottish towns! Unfortunately the results haven't/won't match the grandiose rhetoric.
48

carrottop,

Dumfries 07/01/2009 10:02:15

A large part of Dumfries town centre now looking like a ghost town so why was it not in the top five, poor Rabbie has to peer far from his plinth to see any encouragement.

What to do? the local brains will probably resurface Friars Vennel again which is what one does in Dumfries when things start to go wrong in the town centre and its nearly a year since it was last done.
49

Lianachan,

Highlands 07/01/2009 10:06:52
#3 the "West Coast" goes up as far as Cape Wrath, remember. I can't stand it when people use that term when they really mean "Glasgow" or "Strathclyde".
50

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 07/01/2009 10:11:59
scotlands oldest problem , one of dependancy and lack of entrepeneurs. If all you do is get employed by the local high street stores, you aint going to get very far, never have a good wage and blow most of what you have at the bingo or the pub.

You can blame this on Labour if you like, more honest to blame it on yourself.
51

Darien,

Panama 07/01/2009 10:26:41
#4 sme: "you sound a pleasant, educated fellow"

Why thank you.

Actually, "tubes" is quite a reasonable term to describe folks who persist in voting for monkeys wearing red rosettes and talking a great deal of pulp. You know, monkeys like that nice Roy chap in Glenrothes.

"Tubes" is also appropriate for those egits who vote to be governed by folks from a foreign country rather than be governed by themselves, and who are continually shafted as a result of that misplaced faith.

"Tubes" is also relevant for Scots who are deluded into thinking that 'Britain' is a cohesive non-artificial nation, and that they are somehow "British & Scottish"; for a Scot to be "British" does of course mean Scotland ceases to exist as a recognised country.
52

Andrew,

07/01/2009 10:26:57
29 re Cumbernauld. Most of the chain store type shops are in the newer Phase4 and Antonine shopping malls and NOT the in "original" concrete Cumbernauld Centre!
53

Green,

07/01/2009 10:28:36
Well it must have all been designed and anticipated, what with Salmond being an economist with the RBS, when he had a real job. He must have anticipated this and got a really good plan for putting it all right.
54

EnglishHighlander,

07/01/2009 10:32:36
Strategically placed are the massive retailers, beginning with 'T' and ending with 'O'. These are acting like plugholes all over Britain, draining the local high streets of any business, and soon, they will be surrounded by "ghost towns".

Better to have the charity shops and Subway, rather than empty units. It's the price we pay for wanting to buy everything as cheap as possible and not supporting our local retailers.
55

Isonomia,

Lenzie 07/01/2009 10:56:27
For years people pretended that an economy boosted by spending created by year on year increases in borrowing was a real economy.

Now the truth should be obvious to everyone that borrow-to-boom is really borrow-to-boom-to-bust as all that borrowing has to be repaid.

And what do our government do?

They try to keep afloat the electoral economic bubble by stoking up the fire of the economy on more and more debt.

We are seriously getting close to the point where the UK will be bankrupt, and much as I hated Thatcher, I'd rather be solvent with a Tory government than bankrupt under labour or the SNP!
56

Darien,

Panama 07/01/2009 11:06:26
#59 Isomonia: "I'd rather be solvent with a Tory government than bankrupt under labour or the SNP!"

Seems to have escaped your notice that Scots can ditch the bust UK model entirely and instead move forward through independence. That should happen by 2011, at the same time as the global economy is picking up, and oil price is well above $100.

Only full control of oil and independence can save Scotland from continued indebtedness and impoverishment, the latter the result of being part of Britain.

A bust Britain is a bust Britain, no matter which British Nationalist Tory or NewLab muppet is in charge. And Dave-Boy is as much an incompetent muppet as Brownshirt. Nah, better with independence and $100+ oil.

No charge for this advice.
57

Pilrig,

Livingston 07/01/2009 11:18:03
42 - souless dump like Livi ? One reason that Embra folk shop HERE and the Gyle is the good auld Embra cooncil's vendetta against the car.
Well done David Begg and the tram mob ! cheers from Livi !
58

pwd,

Borders 07/01/2009 11:22:46
#Darien

Keep up the good work. You weaken the case for separation with every utterance.
59

wilfredthehairy,

Fairly obvious 07/01/2009 11:37:23
I had hoped for an improvement in the level of debate here in the New Year. :-(

The emphasis on investment in 2nd tier jobs has come home to roost (all parties to blame). We need to improve education and invest in infrastructure and environment to lower our energy costs and increase our exports - not build shopping centres.
60

Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 11:43:57
Unfortunately,whatever language is used in the description of War Criminal Party voters,the only logical conclusion one can reach,is that they are somewhat lacking in the intelligence department.
61

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 07/01/2009 11:46:13
67 Damn right on infrastructure. 2 semi main train lines in the country and a virtual dual carriageway between our major cities. No rail link to edinburgh airport.

Its like bloody gambia.
62

Edward,

07/01/2009 12:15:55
This is the political make up of each of the councils responsible for the 'ghost' towns
Each council should be looking at how they have ended up with a 'ghost' town and what they are going to do about it to change this. Its in the councils hands, there is no point in blaming the 'Credit Crunch'
Clydebank, West Dumbartonshire Council ( 9 Labour, 9 SNP, 3 Independent including Provost, 1 SSP)

Kirkintilloch, East Dumbartonshire Council (6 Labour, 8 SNP, 5 Conservative, 3 Libdems, 2 Independent)

Rutherglen, South Lanarkshire Council (31 Labour, 23 SNP, 8 Conservative,3 Independent, 2 Libdems)

Cumbernauld , North Lanarkshire Council (40 Labour, 23 SNP, 5 Independent,
1 Libdem, 1 Conservative)

Kilmarnock, East Ayrshire Council (14 Labour, 14 SNP, 3 Conservative, 1 Independent)
63

Edward,

07/01/2009 12:18:17
Years of inept planning and under funding by Labour have resulted in the situation that Scotland faces
64

Eric D,

Strathclyde 07/01/2009 12:25:54
The other sizable cental belt towns are ALREADY "Ghost" towns.
65

G,

dundy 07/01/2009 12:39:14
HOw could Rutherglen fall any lower???

By #69 figures, only one of these towns is labour controlled with the SNP having equivalent numbers in many...so what are hte SNP going to do about this????
66

E D Musem,

07/01/2009 12:57:39
They found the body of Kurt Russell in a side street of Cumbernauld yesterday. A bottle of buckfast embedded in his skull

There is no escape from Cumbernauld
67

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 07/01/2009 12:57:59
It looks like the online "affair" between Boy Wonder and Charles Linskaill is over if the strong language used by BW is to be believed.

Also, is Britain still considered a "nation of shopkeepers" as a Mr. de Mello from some firm called Experian opined?

That famous phrase was used by Samuel Adams (1722-1803), Napoleon I (1769-1821), and Adam Smith (1723-90).

Has not the UK progressed beyond that antiquated generalisation?

Perhaps there is a bit of self-interest at work here in his firm's reportage.
68

Calum Crubag,

07/01/2009 12:58:22
Lochaber no more, Lewis no more...

Years of Labour control at all three levels of government has been a disaster. It's the Labour Unionist divident.
69

ecosseman,

scotland 07/01/2009 13:22:32
its a sad to see and hear people moaning about their lot in scotland,the majority of the moaners have been voting for the wrong party.just look at your main street and see for yourself,the run down properties the run down people plus gangs of neds with no hope.this disgracefull sitiation has been caused by lack of proper funding and very poor wages to the masses,on average around 25% less than leeds and manchester god knows how far behind london.as labour had controlled scotland for the last 50 years,the gheto towns have grown without questions being asked.now that the new snp goverment is doing its best to clear up the labour mess,why do people still trust labour.this i cannot understand.wake up people!
70

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 13:57:57
#59 - When was the last time you shopped in Kirkintilloch?,the high street has been in decline for years,now full of charity shops,estate agents and pound stores.I`m surprised Sainsbury`s have lasted,given the proximity of Tesco.With M&S about to open in the nearby retail park I reckon Sainsbury`s days will be numbered.
71

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 14:00:16
#73 - try getting a bus to Croy and then take the train.Or just use the bus.Or head to the Forth and Clyde canal and hop on a barge.
Plenty of ways to escape.
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Nailhead401,

sitebased 07/01/2009 14:15:06
#54 couldn't agree more!
what you have described IS Wishaw!

and surrounding areas....
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brownlie,

07/01/2009 14:20:21
78 Glasgow Ranger

Mind you, David Whitton, MSP, has a nice office next to the fast-food shops and empty premises. One of the many benefits of the union.
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Elephant,

Linlithgow 07/01/2009 14:27:35
77# Enjoyed your piece, good to hear a view from afar. Don't worry - the negative views are just as a result of the rubbish weather today. However your general point about the greedy and the bludgers is very accurate. Unfortunately, half of the other 70% of us are either retired or eating/drinking ourselves to death. 30 years ago when you left there weren't 4 Gregg's in every high street, and I'm sure Tesco didn't offer 12 bottles of Stella for £8.99... Let's all give up pies and beer as our new year Res.
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Darien,

Panama 07/01/2009 14:39:46
Seems West Central Scotland, which New Labour MP's, MSP's and Councillors have 'controlled' for many decades, is the worst affected. Its like being back in the 1970's. Which means Scotland has gone backwards under the Union, not forward.

Union Dividend? Union shafted more like.

Britain is bust.

Vote for independence and pray for $100+/oil, because these two factors are Scotland's only hope.

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Filomena,

London 07/01/2009 15:24:17
Sorry Darien #1 and John #6, but when was the last time you took a trip to the SNP heartland, Angus? There are towns there, like Brechin, which are already in a far worse state than any of these so-called 'ghost towns' are ever going to be. The SNP was in charge of Angus council for years and did nothing to save this formerly vibrant market town. There are boarded up shops everywhere. At least now SNP don't run Angus Council lock stock. As far as I can see, they've no vision, no ideas, no hope.
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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 07/01/2009 16:07:18
Thank you #82.


#85. I visit Angus regularily. The towns their ( including Brechin.)are nothing like the 5 mentioned.

The SNP will have their share of scammers, however to compare Angus to those five is simply foolish.

All the best,
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The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh 07/01/2009 16:25:41
#81 - he could even pop over to the new enlarged premises of Harley-Jo for a comb-over.
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Boab1,

07/01/2009 16:51:17
To be fair Rab the Ranter Ayr is dying too. The new shopping centre has dragged all the business away from the bottom of the High Street. From M&S down it's like a ghost town. More than every other retail outlet is sitting empty.
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hdeast,

07/01/2009 17:15:30
77 Well said, although I don't know what a Bludger is?
Scotland has to stand on its own two feet, and through time it will, and can sustain itself. Education is the key to being a power.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 07/01/2009 18:45:08
Thud and blunder was an apposite comment on the Scottish Premier League. Not that we can't do a pirouette, shimmy in the box and play a passing game. Alba confracta !
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Darien,

Panama 07/01/2009 19:42:05
#85 Filomena: "towns there, like Brechin, which are already in a far worse state than any of these so-called 'ghost towns'"

Ye cannae be serious hen. As #86 says, different planet altogether. Please, take a wee trip to Clydebank, Killie and the like and see for yourself. Brechin is like Biarritz by comparison. Sombody fi Brechin upset you maybe?

" no vision, no ideas, no hope."
That's New Labour for you, re-creating their Scottish ghettos. Labour has lots of previous on this so should make a really vile job of these towns second time around.

Brown Bounce, aye he's going to get a bounce right enough, bounce into oblivion, same as all the New Labour spivs and troughers. Pity it will take a completely feked Scottish economy and society for Scots to at last see what stupid mugs they've been voting for this rabble.
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Martyk,

07/01/2009 19:56:13
If say 30 years ago , out of town shopping centres had been banned what would be the situation now ?
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07/01/2009 21:00:53
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know i get the picture,

planet resident 07/01/2009 21:46:38
They currently force Scotland send ALL ITS OIL MONEY to LONDON.

A MASSIVE revenue that is worth £22,831 a minute, £32 million a day, 12 billion a year.

A revenue that is so VAST it would allow Scotland to BUILD 2 SECONDARY SCHOOLS A DAY !!!!!!!!!!

For more infomation on the injustices inflicted upon Scotland by the Unionist Parties visit

http://www.oilofscotland.org/

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PointOf View,

Scotland 07/01/2009 22:16:59
17
Scotsman News.
The Lord cometh declairing unto thee
Numbskull's been at the sherry again!!

Hey 17 Linskaill, what was your view on the Bank situation again?
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arc of insolvency,

07/01/2009 22:24:50
Voye SNP for further incompetence, no delivery and lots of smarm!
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

07/01/2009 22:40:16
#98 I'll voye for that.
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PointOf View,

SCOTLAND 07/01/2009 22:46:58
98 arc of insanity,
Nah,, well leave that to liebour for the moment as they're doing such a good job of it!
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Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 09/01/2009 20:27:40
#39 Spot on the money.Personally I've never seen "New Labour" as a truly Sosialist Party - more like a group who stole the Tories clothes and then embraced Tory policies.The rampant spread of supermarkets coupled with the Office of Fair Trading & Competition Commissions mantra that it did not matter who survived as long as some entity did and the "public interest" (ie lowest prices)was served has decimated local shops and the communities which supported them.
The Sustainable Communities Bill passed through Parliament on Ruth Kelly's watch,although she was completely OPPOSED to it (so much so that she didn't even attend a meeting in her own constituency on it)was hailed in some quarters as the most important private members bill since the abolition of slavery.However it has been presented in such a way that local councils have to be persuaded to OPT IN by local traders and residents and will therefore do little,if anything to help the small local retailer survive.It was always likely to be too little too late anyway but in the much changed climate preveiling now I fear it is doomed.
I wonder what the councils up and down the UK will do to recover the revenues lost through the demise of these stores - charge Tesco et al??

 

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