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Published Date: 11 November 2009
LLOYDS Banking Group said yesterday that 1,000 Scottish jobs will be affected in its plans to axe 5,000 posts across the UK by the end of next year.
The scale of the job losses at the bank, which has been bailed out with billions of pounds of taxpayers' money, angered politicians and union leaders.

The cuts will affect 1,000 positions in Scotland.

The jobs will be lost from offices and branches in the Central Belt, where the majority of the 23,000 people employed by Lloyds in Scotland are based.

Lloyds said it was hoped some of the people affected by the cuts would be redeployed elsewhere in the business.

A proportion of the losses will be met by releasing temporary staff and contractors, leaving an overall reduction of Lloyds permanent staff in Scotland of 500.

Read Bill Jamieson's analysis of this story here

The cuts are to be made to reduce some of the overlap that resulted from the merger of Lloyds with HBOS.

The announcement comes on top of the 6,400 job losses announced by the group earlier this year.

Lloyds said the UK job cuts would fall across the bank's group operations, retail and insurance departments.

This has led to speculation that Scottish Widows, the Edinburgh-based Lloyds insurance subsidiary, would be at the forefront of the cuts.

A Lloyds spokesman refused to comment on the detail of the announcement, but The Scotsman understands that, although some jobs may be lost there, Scottish Widows is unlikely to bear the brunt of the losses.

In insurance, 1,190 roles will be affected across the UK. Of these, about 950 will come from the life, pensions and investments business and 240 from general insurance.

About 250 of the insurance job losses are expected to be achieved through the release of contractors and temporary staff.

According to Lloyds, there will therefore be a net reduction of 940 jobs in the sector. In group operations, 2,820 roles will be affected across Britain.

Of those, 720 will be redeployed. About 750 of the jobs being cut – including about 550 offshore positions in India – are expected to be achieved through the release of contractors and temporary staff. As a result, group operations will see a net reduction of 1,350 jobs.

In the retail department, about 950 roles will be affected within mortgage operations across the UK as the business is consolidated to seven sites.

However, 680 positions will be relocated or redeployed, leaving a net reduction of 270 jobs.

Rob MacGregor, national officer of trade union Unite, said: "This demonstrates the depth of corporate arrogance within this taxpayer-supported bank.

"This country's financial sector should be looking towards the future, rather than continuing to slash jobs without proper consideration of how to rebuild the public's confidence in our tarnished banking sector.

"Today marks the start of another dark week for finance workers.

"It beggars belief that, just days after 5,400 jobs were cut at Royal Bank of Scotland and HSBC, we see further devastation for workers in this part-nationalised financial institution."

Yesterday's announcement was the latest twist in the long-running controversy surrounding the institution since the economic downturn began.

SNP Treasury spokesman Stewart Hosie MP said Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Chancellor Alistair Darling had "sold a con" to the country by pushing through the merger.

He said: "It is now plain to see that Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling sold the country a con with his cut and shut merger of HBOS and Lloyds. Their recent comments on jobs show the emptiness of Labour promises which now look like 'Fewer Jobs for All'."

However a Treasury aide hit back last night, saying: "Stuart Hosie is talking complete rubbish. Had the government not stepped in every job in HBOS would have gone. The bank was bust. Mr Hosie knows that."

Vince Cable, Treasury spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, said: "This announcement is a direct result of Lloyds taking over the poisoned chalice that is HBOS. The takeover was a political decision to avoid total nationalisation, and people are now paying for it with their jobs."

The merger, which was backed by Mr Brown, took place at the height of the banking crisis and was completed in January.

Financial analysts have pinpointed HBOS's reckless lending as one of the main reasons for the difficulties experienced by the merged institution.

The government has already bailed out Lloyds with £17 billion. It is due to invest another £5.7bn under a shareholder cash call announced last week.

The Scottish Labour leader, Iain Gray, said: "Alex Salmond and John Swinney must meet Lloyds and the unions as soon as possible. It is Lloyds' duty to minimise losses and do everything they can to help their people find alternative work and training."

Finance secretary John Swinney said: "This will be an anxious time for the employees affected, and they should be reassured that the Scottish Government is helping wherever we can."

Mark Fisher, group integration director at Lloyds Banking Group, said:

"We will continue to work closely with our colleagues affected by today's announcement to help them through these changes over the coming year."




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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 00:27:07

Scotland has got off lightly the actual figure is 500 jobs will go across Scotland, and 500 will be deployed, to other departments of Lloyds.

2

Incandescent,

11/11/2009 00:57:35
Where is Rufus?
3

SkeptikScot,

11/11/2009 01:30:26
I've heard it is "only" 500. Mind you one job is too much if you're the poor devil who's put out on the dole.

Given that Lloyds/HBOS have sucked up £160bn (!!) in capital and guarentees, it could have been worse.
4

Arthur G,

Glasgow 11/11/2009 02:32:44
Someon has to say it: "Yet another Union Dividend!"
5

jafra loo,

11/11/2009 03:04:32
Poor ba@rstards

6

Vista,

11/11/2009 03:49:24
"Another Union Benefit"

O.K. who's going to be first in witholding Income Tax as a positive expression of disgust and protest, or will we all just go "OOOOOOOOOHHH"?
7

Vista,

11/11/2009 04:09:09
I really am not surprised that companies are bailing out of Scotland.

After all, if you are being honest, would you want your kids to grow up in Scotland???

Yes or no will suffice
8

Vista,

11/11/2009 04:15:07


The Scottish benefit is:-

You have so many gibbering dialects, interpreters don't understand any of them!!
9

i wear trousers not a skirt,

11/11/2009 07:06:23
Bad nes for all the people that will be laid off .Its going to be another hard year for most people .
10

Unimpressed one,

11/11/2009 08:18:21
Think Salmond needs to sort out where our future prosperity is going to come from now that we cannot rely on the financial sector to provide employment growth. And with no real manufacturing base, we cannot rely on Tesco and call centre jobs. Yet with his administration set to reduce our standard of living with a commitment to negative growth for the foreseeable future due to his nutty climate bill, we will soon be relying totally on tourism.
11

Gdgy,

11/11/2009 08:18:53
#4 and what would have happened "if" Scotland had been independent???
Of course we wouldn't have had the toxic debt and pigs would fly....
Peddling Fantasy is all that you have so you might as well enjoy it.....
#8Most Scottish accent are preferred for call centres and are well known to be more trusted...and England has no dodgy accents????
12

Machelpus,

11/11/2009 08:18:56
Well you can thank Brown and Mandy they were the ones who forced the Loyds sale through, bailing out the Scottish bank, and now their masters in Frankfurt have told them to sell it off, and who will buy why foreign banks of course. All part of the balkanisation plan..
Funny how it doesn't seem to matter how much Santandor owns, but British have to be controlled.
I believe it's called got by the short and curlies.
13

P Rayner.,

UK 11/11/2009 08:34:33
And four fifths in the rest of the UK presumably. A Scottish bank?Another Union dividend?
14

Linda,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 08:49:19
10 and 11.
The Banks' failures due to Gordon Brown's lack of regulations.

Of course Scotland alone could never
have mounted a £1.3 trillion banking
bailout after the collapse of HBOS
and Royal Bank of Scotland. But in reality
an independent Scotland never would have been
required to deal with it alone. Most
of RBS's branches are in England and
called the Nat West. The vast majority
of HBOS mortgages and corporate loans,
especially the more toxic ones - are also south
of the border. Both banks may have
name plates in Edinburgh, but they
are an integral part of a global financial
centre called the City of London.
Any London government would have
had to include the Scottish banks in
the banking bailout because of the
significance of these banks for the
Rest of U K.

15

Linda,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 08:51:24
There are 25 billion barrels of oil and gas remaining in the North Sea. According to experts including Sir Ian Wood in Herald on 6 November 2009 the oil and gas remaining in the North sea is worth over £1500 billions. And even now the UKs oil and gas enhances our economy and balance of payments by £30 billion per annum.
Much more oil and gas remains in deeper waters of the west coast of Shetland and in the Minches. Remember that 90% of oil and gas is in Scottish waters.

Yet thanks to Gordon Brown’s recession, Scotland is facing a £1 billion a year Union Dividend attack on her budget from Westminster, with no real financial powers to address the country's pressing economic challenges.
16

rpb,

11/11/2009 08:53:41
HBOS was a failed bank. It was bailed out by public money. The reality is there would be no jobs at all if normal market rules had been applied.
The nationalist infestation on these pages conveniently forget that UK money bailed out the failed Scottish banks.
17

Linda,

Edinburgh 11/11/2009 09:14:36
16

The culture of Bank of Scotland changed for the worse the day it was taken over by Halifax Building Society.

Nationalists did not complain or indulge in poltical point scoring when Scots taxpayers helped to bail out Northern Rock.

If Gordon Brown had reformed Banks at that stage much of the current pain could have been avoided.

It was the US and UK financial regulations that encouraged lax lending procedures.
18

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 11/11/2009 09:37:20
#17 Please miss it wisnae me!
19

aljok.23,

the world 11/11/2009 09:49:18
and the BBC news at 6 pm last night stated clearly that it would only be 500 jobs lost in Scotland which would be proportional to the population percentage.
So tell us the truth , is it twice the population percentage or is it the same as.... or is it even more than twice?
20

Arthur G,

Glasgow 11/11/2009 11:24:59
This was a good gig but nothing when compared to the last time I saw Jimmy Webb. That was at the Oran Mor, Glasgow in May 2005, where, there was only Webb with a grand piano for company.

That's the problem, Jimmy Webb, is a great song writer, musician, raconteur and all round entertainer and none of his sons are in the same league, either in musicianship or personality. Cal Campbell is a good drummer; Tim Walker is excellent on the steel guitar and as for the ‘underused’ Romeo Stodart, he was there, in my opinion, to play the guitar parts and add the je ne sais quoi that neither Justin nor James Webb are capable of, based on this showing.

I don’t mean to be too harsh as this was a pleasant and entertaining evening and I did buy Cottonwood Farm but I also bought Live and at Large: Jimmy Webb in the U.K. at the end of the evening and having played both it is the latter which will be receiving the most rotations on my car’s music system.

#8 vista:
"The Scottish benefit is:-

You have so many gibbering dialects [;], interpreters don't understand any of them!!"(One exclamation mark is usual in 'standard' English)

I've worked all over England: "Ooop North - "Eeh, it were grand" and "Darn Sarf - a diamond geezer". There are some pretty unintelligible dialects, too, in England. The only difference from Scotland is that, England is a much larger land and therefore there are more difficult accents to wade through but with patience... "Know what ah mean, n'at, no?"

#11 Gdgy:
"#4 and what would have happened "if" Scotland had been independent???
Of course we wouldn't have had the toxic debt and pigs would fly....
Peddling Fantasy is all that you have so you might as well enjoy it....."(One question mark at the end of an interrogative sentence is the norm and three dots is the usual amount used for ellipsis in 'standard' English orthography)

We cannot know what the situation would have been, had Scotland been independent; one can only surmise. All
21

Arthur G,

Glasgow 11/11/2009 11:34:34
I don't know where the Jimmy Webb review came from. Does The Scotsman Big Brother have the power to edit posts, not just pull them? Curious.

This is the original reply:

#8 vista:
"The Scottish benefit is:-

You have so many gibbering dialects [;], interpreters don't understand any of them!!"(One exclamation mark is usual in 'standard' English)

I've worked all over England: "Ooop North - "Eeh, it were grand" and "Darn Sarf - a diamond geezer". There are some pretty unintelligible dialects, too, in England. The only difference from Scotland is that, England is a much larger land and therefore there are more difficult accents to wade through but with patience... "Know what ah mean, n'at, no?"

#11 Gdgy:
"#4 and what would have happened "if" Scotland had been independent???
Of course we wouldn't have had the toxic debt and pigs would fly....
Peddling Fantasy is all that you have so you might as well enjoy it....."(One question mark at the end of an interrogative sentence is the norm and three dots is the usual amount used for ellipsis in 'standard' English orthography)

We cannot know what the situation would have been, had Scotland been independent; one can only surmise. All we can do, is wait for a referendum on cessation and if the Scottish people vote for independence then we shall then find out if and how we can on our own.
22

ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 11/11/2009 11:47:56
GREEDY LONDON HAS MADE THIS PROBLEM WITH THE(SCOTTISH BANKS?)

GREED AND LIES,THATS THE LABOUR PARTY!

YOU GREEDY LOT DO NOT LIKE IT WHEN THE SUN TURNED ON FAT BROON,YET YOUR HAPPY TO LET THE DAILY RECORD SPOUTS YOUR POISON IN SCOTLAND.

YOU ARE ALL LOSERS,YOU HAVE MADE TOO MANY MISTAKES AND HAVE COST US £££££BILLIONS AND HAVE THE CHEEK TO SAY THE SNP CANT RUN SCOTLAND.

WE WILL REBUILD FROM THE ASHES THAT YOU HAVE LEFT,MARK MY WORDS.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
23

Boudicca's Henchman,

In the wash 11/11/2009 12:23:48
Is it not strange that most of,if not all the institutions blamed by those who comment are controlled by Scots, those who took the easier course of running away from their homeland rather that take on those who would not accept change. Is that is what is meant by being canny?
24

Jo Public,

11/11/2009 12:27:57
"The scale of the job losses at the bank, which has been bailed out with billions of pounds of taxpayers' money, angered politicians "

Didn't hear wee twitcherer Gray saying much at the time.

"The Scottish Labour leader, Iain Gray, said: "Alex Salmond and John Swinney must meet Lloyds and the unions as soon as possible. It is Lloyds' duty to minimise losses and do everything they can to help their people find alternative work and training"

Why get interested now?
25

Jo Public,

11/11/2009 12:34:06
#23. The people who screwed up the economy are based in London (they are called the Labour Party) They have been in control for about 12 years now. Also, the greediest bankers and stock-market traders are also based there. London and the South East have the biggest public spending per capita. Are you beginning to get the drift here?
Also - as you and people like you take pleasure in always pointing out the involvement of Scots - what nationality do you think the majority of the cabinet and of government in general, and of all the financial institutions in London is?

Well I'll tell you - they are English - not that it would matter to people like you who find it a nice convenience to be able to blame all your woes on the Scottish nation.
26

3rd wise man,

11/11/2009 13:47:10
#25

"London and the South East have the biggest public spending per capita. Are you beginning to get the drift here?
"

Incorrect.

Expenditure per capita per region
2006-07
London..........5,326
South East......4,329
Total England...4,896
Scotland........6,089
Wales...........5,846

ref http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/public_spending_country_region%20.htm

Where do you get your figures from please "Jo Public" as what you seem to post seems to be hearsay/made up or figures not backed up.
27

3rd wise man,

11/11/2009 13:49:31
poor old south east who create alot of the wealth the UK has, almost has 50% less funding per capita than scotland. Doesn't seem fair to me?

SE has;
highest education results
highest health standard

But how can they have the highest if they get the least money spent on them ?!
Money does not solve everything
28

FBT,

Dunfermline 11/11/2009 14:33:31
According to to the Lloyds TSB Group Union, Lloyds are now under investigation by the UK Border Ageny for importing non-European Economic Area nationals to replace UK workers. Perhaps they could start reducing their numbers here.


http://www.ltu.co.uk/news_item/178
29

Albion Bob,

11/11/2009 14:51:29
So the Lloyds Banking Group is make redundancies whilst maintaining employment for their Indian call centres. Is that fair? Not to me it isnt especially given that the tax payers (soon to be redundant) have footed the bill for recovery. So move your accounts and other financial interests out of LBG!
30

Albion Bob,

11/11/2009 14:56:26
Jo Public
"The people who screwed up the economy are based in London"
Tony Blair, PM
Gordon Brown Chancellor then PM
Alastair Darling, Chancellor

ALL Scottish
31

,

11/11/2009 15:12:41
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
32

Jo Public,

11/11/2009 15:17:24
#30. Three Scottish people and significantly more English. Most of the government cabinet are English, as are the people who run your stock exchanges and other financial institutions that gambled up into trouble. Most of the fat cat bonuses were paid out in the City of London. Now that makes London far more culpable then Scotland in my book. Thousands and thousands of English people who held high posts cannot be blameless whilst three (two actually - Darling was born in London) Scots take the blame.



33

Grahamskl,

Lisbon 11/11/2009 15:30:37
Tony Blair is about as Scottish as leeks, Edam and mom's apple pie.
34

Jo Public,

11/11/2009 15:36:28
#26 And adding to my post #31, the figures are actually a lot worse than this when you consider London's population of over 7 million are concentrated in a fairly small area yet Scotland's is spread over a land mass of at least a third of the British Isles. Therefore, public expendiure per capita SHOULD be far greater for this reason because it costs more to provide services for a population spread out. London should have 'economies of scale' so should actually be lower.

The fact public expenditure is higher in London shows how much more they really ARE getting.
35

FBT,

Dunfermline 11/11/2009 15:51:31
29 Albion Bob

They may well be maintaining their call centres in India and that is their right.

Lloyds are bringing over Indian IT workers into the UK to replace existing European Economic Area (ie EU/UK etc) workers - around 1300 according to the link I posted.

The UK IT market has been on a downward spiral since 2000 and much of it is down to the banks and Big Telecoms, importing 3rd world labour into the UK under lax employment and immigration laws.
36

Jo Public,

11/11/2009 16:49:37
Who's behind removing my post #31 that pointed out London being the subsidy junkies of Britain? Who was it? Was it you 3rd wise man? Disgraceful behaviour. This sort of stuff went on in the USSR and Communist East Germany.

For the record.

http//www hm-treasury.gov.uk 180609 Page 128 states that the 'Total identifiable expenditure on services by region per head in real terms 2008 - 2009' is

London £9,427
Scotland £9,312.

Look it up.

That makes London the subsidy junkies (read also my post #34 in conjunction).

Are you going to remove it again because you don't like it?
37

Gdgy,

11/11/2009 19:34:15
PLay the blame game all you want...what is the Scottish government going to do about it!

B*gger nothing as my old man used to say.....

We are in this state AND playing fantasy games about how an independent Scotland wouldn't be in it IS BOGUS!!

Swinney can't be trusted with a calculator and Salmond would (and probably has) sell his own granny for a few minutes in the spotlight.....


 

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