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Published Date: 29 July 2008
A FERRY firm has launched a bid for a 300-capacity service between Fife and the Capital.
Transport chiefs are already drawing up plans for a 75-passenger service between Burntisland and Granton, but Orkney-based Pentland Ferries wants to carry up to four times as many people on the same route.

It is understood the firm has claimed it
can make the 30-minute sailing a commercial success, but has asked for public funding to build the pontoons and passenger waiting rooms required.

A second sailing between either Kirkcaldy or Methil to Granton would also be added if the first route is successful.

Plans for a separate hovercraft service between Leith and Kirkcaldy have stalled in recent months after a row over public funding for the scheme.

Professor Alf Baird, the head of the maritime research group at Napier University, said today: "It is interesting that the operator is saying that he can run the operation without a subsidy.

"So it would be just the case of getting the support infrastructure, such as pontoons and shelters, in place for the service to get going.

"Ninety-five per cent of urban ferry services around the world are on catamarans, so it is a proven technology and I think we should be listening to what this operator has got to say.

"This would provide a viable alternative to the road travel options for people."

Plans for a 20-minute Burntisland-to-Granton ferry link won the backing of Fife and Edinburgh councils last year after a study backed them over a hovercraft because of the quicker turnaround times.

Around £3.4 million of public cash is needed in order to build pontoons, reception facilities and car parks for the ferry link. Around half of this money is in place.

A ferry service operated between Burntisland and Granton in the early 1990s, but stopped due to dwindling passenger numbers.

Earlier this year, Stagecoach stopped work on a hovercraft service across the Forth until it gets answers over what public money the proposed Leith-Kirkcaldy link would receive.

The Perth-based firm has pledged to put £10.3m into the scheme, but is looking for a public sector subsidy of £3.3m over the first three years to build jetties and waiting rooms.

Alex Macaulay, partnership director of SEStran, said: "The operator has come to us with a proposal which would see him run the service without any assistance but the passenger facilities would be built by public agencies.

"Obviously the proposal is for much bigger vessels than first envisaged, so questions over whether the harbours would be big enough would need to be answered."

Pentland Ferries operates two ships between Orkney and the mainland. Owner Andrew Banks was unavailable for comment as he is sailing another catamaran the firm has just purchased back from the Philippines.





The full article contains 483 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Daft Old Git,

29/07/2008 12:11:49
No good going to Granton unless there are trams there
2

Jenny MacArthur,

29/07/2008 12:27:18
Good point Scallywag. The trams could also be delayed by Arthurs Seat erupting, since it's a volcano of course. Has any anti-tram obsessive used this one yet in their increasingly ridiciculous moaning?
3

Some guy,

29/07/2008 12:44:16
No point going to Granton unless they fix the roads up. It's like a mountain range at some points, my car's already been damaged even though i crawl along at less than 10mph. Gives a new meaning to Carbon neutral Offset the carbon savings of those using the trams by forcing others to use a 4x4 to get there.
4

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/07/2008 12:47:58
The prospect of Arthur's Seat erupting sounds very disgusting indeed.
5

Angus Mcdonald,

EDINBURGH 29/07/2008 12:49:20
i just hope this project gets the go ahead asap!!. This would be great for the capital city and will improve our links a lot more!!. we need to back this plan and hope this starts asap!!.
6

Angus Mcdonald,

EDINBURGH 29/07/2008 12:50:55
3.3 million is notjing for this project compared to 600 mllion for the trams!. we need to bring back to south suburban line and introduce ferries between fife and edinburgh asap.
7

alex paterson,

edinburgh 29/07/2008 12:53:41
#5

I would hate to be the person who does his laundry,poor old Arthur.
8

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 29/07/2008 13:09:41

No point going to Burntisland - no trams there either.
9

Alba-Hibs,

29/07/2008 13:34:26
Weren't there still bridge tolls when this was trialled ?

I think its only workable at peak times and weekends, which won't be enough to keep it going.

Still, we can pay more council tax to subsidise it, just like we'll have to do for the trams.
10

Truthman,

Washington, DC 29/07/2008 13:43:05
With the West's seeming decline towards third world conditions, I'd be concerned about it capsizing.
11

Old Cartha Boy,

29/07/2008 13:43:52
No doubt Forth Ports will be wanting their screw out of anything that affects the river. They should be donating facilities, not assessing what they will charge.
12

Ken Mare,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 14:15:20
#3 Jenny Mac you are tram obsessive. Calm doon. Last time I observed such obsession was when I overheard a Granton property developer conspiring with a TIE manager :)
13

Jasbar,

29/07/2008 14:24:27
Jenny MacArthur

Remember that each death on the A9 is down to YOU. And those who support squandering £600m on trams.

Oh, and enjoy paying for our hospital for the next thirty years because the tram money could have paid off 2 hospitals and a new sick kids as well.

So, rather than bleating about sensible people objecting to the trams, enjoy shouldering the blame for unnecessary deaths.

14

PeterPete,

29/07/2008 14:34:57
Each death on the A9 is due to bad driving, not the trams.

If the SNP were that keen on upgrading the A9, they could have scrapped the M74 or the Aberdeen Western Bypass........ Edinburgh deserves a decent public transport system.

And by the way, all of our hospitals are privatised now.
15

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 14:47:59
Why do ferry operators always expect subsidies from the public purse ? Businesses are usually the first to complain about Government, and council interferance, and waste of resources, but are always there with there hands out for a subsidy.
16

RJ,

29/07/2008 15:27:04
#17: Professor Alf Baird, the head of the maritime research group at Napier University, said today: "It is interesting that the operator is saying that he can run the operation without a subsidy."
17

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/07/2008 16:18:04
Professor Alf Baird said, "What are you doing in my house? Leave me alone, I'm trying to sleep."
18

tomias,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 16:41:56
Arthurs Seat is a volcanic plug.
Think of all the Forth coal seams catching fire.
19

tomias,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 16:42:50
16; yes I agree- trams? And of course the bicycles to hire.
20

Jasbar,

29/07/2008 17:02:48
PeterPete

All of our hospitals are NOT privatised. What planet are you on?

Even experts agree that road deaths are not the fault of drivers alone. It's recognised that prevailing road conditions play a key part. That's why we upgrade roads or else we would still be driving on single track roads.

Edinburgh not only already has a decent transport system, one which grows in usage year on year, but it already has the best bus company in the country.

If the tram is supposed to make its profit from the turnover of the 15 buses it replaces then it doesn't have a cat in hell's chance of making profit, or even breaking even.

That means we all subsidise it up to the hilt. And when government is finally held to account for this, or it just gets fed up with its new toy, it will be sold off to private interests, but without the huge start up costs. Don't believe me? We've already seen it happen with that other great public works, the Channel Tunnel when it was taken away from the original investors and sold minus the debt.

Only this time it will be taxpayers taking the financial hit. That's us.

Of course this will only happen if public transport costs are allowed to rise to make sure the new owners make the profit they want.

All in all. It spells price hikes all round in public transport.

Enjoy!!!!
21

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 17:43:43
18#RJ -
Around £3.4 million of public cash is needed in order to build pontoons, reception facilities and car parks for the ferry link. Around half of this money is in place.
22

Andrew,

29/07/2008 18:15:49
Arthur's Seat 'erupting' would beat the sparks out of the festival fireworks display!
23

Craigie Boy,

Carluke, South Lanarkshire (ex Edinburgh) 29/07/2008 19:57:58
All pie in the sky, I'm afraid. We haven't the imagination here to get something like this off the ground. In the Firth of Forth, we have a unused asset sitting on our doorstep and seem unable, or unwilling, to develop it either for tourism or for commuting purposes. Next!
24

jdships,

29/07/2008 21:19:33
With four bridges and two ferries potientially available available for people wishing to come to Edinburgh and the Lothians we are going to surely have a financial bonanza.
Ferries - in your dreams I'm afraid
25

truthsleuth,

30/07/2008 00:34:57
The ferry should be devoted to lorries and these lorries should be removed (banned) from using the bridge.
They should of course pay the full costs of operating the ferry.
26

Some guy,

30/07/2008 11:56:42
JasBar yes we do upgrade from single track lanes and keep maintaining roads, the A9 is not a single track road. The main cause of crashes on the A9 is eejits overtaking into oncoming traffic or on bends. Did the road suddenly take control of the car and force it onto the opposite side of the road? I've driven the A9 plenty of times and got stuck behind traffic but i'm sensible enough to keep my frustration in check and know when to overtake. The last couple of crashes i've seen have been only a mile before a dual carriageway.
Blaming tram supporters in edinburgh for people dying in a road in the highlands is the most idiotic thing i've ever seen on these forums. We ask for something, someone else asks for something the government decides what gets the cash. So even if it was the road at fault for the crashes it would be the government who decided not to upgrade it not the few people of edinburgh who are going to benefit from the trams.
27

Dòmhnall,

planet earth 30/07/2008 12:16:51
Fair dos to Pentland Ferries for initiating this but I would prefer CalMac. The MacBraynes are a institution and deliver an excellent service.

Get Hugh Dan MacLennan on the case ! The communities surrounding the Firth of Forth would love to see CalMac !

 

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