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Published Date: 14 February 2008
A SCOTTISH student jailed for terrorism-related offences last year hopes a Court of Appeal decision in England may help to free him.
Five men jailed for similar crimes walked free yesterday. Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips, sitting with two other judges, quashed their convictions and ordered their release.

The ruling will be studied by lawyers planning an appeal against the co
nviction of Mohammed Atif Siddique, a Scottish student jailed for eight years for possessing and distributing terrorism-related materials on the internet.

The decision to restrict how the law on extremist literature works will also have huge implications for counter-terrorism prosecutions.

Civil liberty campaigners and Muslim community leaders argue that section 57 of the 2000 Terrorism Act has been used as a "blunt instrument" to prosecute where there is no proof of genuine links to terrorism.

Four of the jailed men, all Bradford University students, were arrested after a London schoolboy, Mohammed Irfan Raja, ran away from home in February 2006.

He left a note for his parents saying he was going to fight abroad and they would meet again in heaven, the Old Bailey heard last year.

The prosecution said they were all planning to go to Pakistan for training, before going to fight for the jihad.

The material included ideological propaganda, as well as communications between the appellants and others.

Police also found a US military guide giving instructions on how to make explosive devices and a suicide-bombing manual, as well as chatroom conversations that encouraged terrorism or martyrdom.

The prosecution alleged the material showed a settled plan under which the men would travel to Pakistan for training and "thereafter commit a terrorist act or acts in Afghanistan".

Raja, now 20, of Ilford, east London, and students Awaab Iqbal, 20, of Bradford, West Yorkshire; Aitzaz Zafar, 21, of Rochdale, Lancashire; Usman Ahmed Malik, 22, of Bradford; and Akbar Butt, 21, of Southall, west London, who faced charges for having extreme material on their computers, were in the dock of the court yesterday for the ruling.

Raja was serving two years' youth detention, Zafar and Iqbal had been given three years' detention, Malik was sent to prison for three years and Butt was given 27 months' detention.

When sentencing, Judge Peter Beaumont said they were preparing to train in Pakistan and then fight in Afghanistan against its allies, which included British soldiers.

All denied having articles for terrorism and said the material, downloaded from websites, was not intended to encourage terrorism or martyrdom. They denied having extremist views and some said they were researching ideology and other matters.

Last night, Aamer Anwar, Siddique's lawyer, said he would be meeting Imran Khan, the solicitor who represents the five freed men, within weeks.

"This decision will be scrutinised by us to see if there are any implications," Mr Anwar said.

Allowing the men's appeals yesterday, Lord Phillips, sitting with Mr Justice Owen and Mr Justice Bean in London, said: "We do not consider that it was made plain to the jury… that the case that the appellants had to face was that they possessed the extremist material for use in the future to incite the commission of terrorist acts.

"We doubt whether the evidence supported such a case."





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  • Last Updated: 14 February 2008 12:58 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 14/02/2008 01:43:30
Y'know, sometimes something just turns out right.

Now, I don't know what these five young men intended - but that's not the point. The point is that the government, the police and the prosecution service did not know either.

Yet the prosecution went ahead - essentially a thought-crime prosecution, based on a law drafted by a group of people demonstrably unfamiliar with the concept of 'thought'.
2

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 02:00:41
1

Exactly what was happening was these 5 guys were effectively being charged for a thought crime nothing more. Its now become a crime to fantasise about blowing up Parliament or kicking Gordon Browns a*se through the top of his heid and sadly I am not joking.
This so called war on terror is out of control.
Democracy? Freedom? try next door.
3

W Smith,

Middle East 14/02/2008 04:35:01
#1 and 2
Were you guys born naive or did you have to work at it?

If the Scots working here in the Middle East were to behave like these muslims they would be taken down to the nearest police station and almost beaten to death and then kicked out of the country!

BTW
How many arab nations allow Pakistanis to become MP's?

NONE!

How many arab nations allow Pakistanis to become judges?

NONE!

How many arab nations allow Pakistanis to practice law?

NONE!

Pakistani muslims come to Britain and are allowed to take up prominent positions that they wouldn't get out here in the arab countries and yet the have got the cheek to complain about their 'rights'.

About 3 years ago two Pakistanis were hanged in Kuwait for drug dealing. The same offence in Scotland might have landed them in Castle Huntly's 'open' prison.

If you thing Gordon Brown is some kind of evil dictator then you really need to get our more often!
4

Isaac,

China 14/02/2008 04:59:20
To # 3 W Smith.

How many Arab nations ask their Pakistani citizens to pay tax?

NONE!

How many Arab nations formed part of the East India Trading Company?

NONE!

When you contribute, you are entitled to a share.
5

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14/02/2008 05:19:11
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6

popeye,

14/02/2008 06:15:49
So paedophiles who download their filth,but never touch a child should all be released from prison,going on this warped view.Prevention is better than cure,a short spell locked up will give them time to reconsider,and learn to contribute to society,rather take away.However,what will happen now is they will bask in their glory,and tell themselves,we got away with that,now lets see how much more we can get away with.And the legal shysters will laugh,all the way to the bank.
7

Ravi,

Singapore 14/02/2008 07:27:46
Well done Court of Appeal. You have shown that the Rule of Law exists in the UK. If only the USA could be as courageous.

I do not know if the 5 men intended to commit terrorist activities but it is clear that no crime could be proved beyond reasonable doubt.

If the 5 men really harboured ill-will and malice as alleged, I hope their acquittals prove to them that the UK is a fair and just place and that they should live here with thanks.
8

popeye,

Daventry 14/02/2008 08:07:45
Ravi,the crime was proven for twelve jurors.However it was overthrown by three fools in wigs,who live in ivory towers,and are insulated from the real world.Perhaps you would like to go up to Krangie and look around,there you will find the people who made Britain a fair and just place,not terrorists and their apologists.
9

MrMusic,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 08:19:48
WSmith,

I hope we are not a country that looks at justice in comparison as to what other countries do, but at what is right.

IF, it is right to prison people for looking at material considered extreme, then we are only a step away from imprisoning people for material that is not extreme but potentially dangerous to whomever is in power at the time. Do not give the government that kind of power over you, or we will end up in a state where any sense of freedom is lost in the name of security - and yet security will only exist in the name of fear of doing anything that will get you noticed by the government.
10

Binny,

Londonistan 14/02/2008 10:57:12
"So paedophiles who download their filth,but never touch a child should all be released from prison"

Bad analogy.

Should people who have read/written books describing children being raped be jailed?

Should white-supremists who have described/depicted black folks being lynched on their websites be jailed?

The above two examples do not show intent to cause harm.

They're all 'thought crimes', people must not be jailed for thought crimes. Good decision by those judges.
11

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 14/02/2008 13:21:15
#3 W Smith: Thank you for responding to my comment.

I'm afraid I don't know enough about local conditions in the middle-east to determine whether you're description is accurate or not.

However, I do know enough about the British legal system to know that your 'point' is irrelevant.
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14/02/2008 18:21:27
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 18:24:37
8

Juries dont prove crimes they deliver a verdict on the proof they are presented with and if the law states that a particular piece of proof is valid then the juries have to base their verdicts on that principle.
This judge has not determined that the priciple of thought crime is not a crime so if this were tried again the same jury would have to come to a different verdict. Is all of this too logical for you to follow?
14

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 18:25:57
13

Of course should say HAS determined that the principle of thought crime is not a crime. Sorry about that.
15

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 14/02/2008 22:07:01
Hello All,

I well and truly hope that all the supporters of letting these would-be terrorists go, will continue to be so flippant about the INTENT (which is a legal term people, not just a term in the common vernacular) of the 5 plus 1, when they're sitting on their seats on a public bus, or in a train, or when they're in the Underground in a train.

When you're just sitting there, on your way to work, or from work, or going out for food, I do truly hope that you'll look around to see the face of any of the 5 plus 1 that you wanted let go, and then CONSIDER as you look at the backpack one of the 5 plus 1 is holding, as he is praying silently with his eyes closed and moving his lips, that you'll CONSIDER as the sweat starts to roll down your forehead, if PERHAPS there actually was something to their INTENT to learn Jihad from other 'good and faithful' Muslims?

Just sayin' boys, just sayin'.

Cheers from the Rockies
16

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 23:29:21
15

Thats right neanderthal lets all spend our normal working day sh*tting ourselves silly over the day we may or may not die by a terrorist bomb because we dont believe in somebody going to prison for thinking about breaking a law.
I for one would love to spend the rest of my life in a perpetual sweat every time I leave the house living a life of paranoia in the off chance that I may just be lucky enough to spot that 1 in a billion suicide bomber sitting next to me on a bus.
Lets all come live on your planet Neanderthal please.
17

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 23:31:21
Why was the comment at 12 removed??????????????
18

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 15/02/2008 05:17:24
Hello CyberNat,

I just love you theorists: you live in a fantasy land, devoid of any scintilla of reality!

Let's take that one number you used '..1 in a billion suicide(sic) bomber sitting next to me on a bus..'

Firstly, please get your starting numbers right:

1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world

Great Britain has 1.6 Million Muslims.
Scotland has 40,000 Muslims.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/library/statistics.php

According to NUMEROUS polls done in Great Britain, 25% of Muslims believe that homicide bombings are 'legitimate' actions in 'defense' of Islam.

Many polls done in Muslim countries, have shown that about 10% of the Muslim population either are or are willing to be Jihadists.

For the sake of our argument, let's just cut that in half, to a mere 5%.

Can you do the math?

This means that there are 2000 Muslims in Scotland alone, whom are willing to blow themselves up, in order to kill 'infidels'. If we use the same 10% as the polls have indicated in Muslim countries, a number closer to reality would be 4,000 Muslim homicide bombers CURRENTLY living in Scotland.

England and Wales have some 1.54 Million Muslims living there, so the numbers are even more telling:

154,000 at the 10% rate

77,000 at the 5% rate

However, let us use the 'best case' figure of 1% Muslims willing to become Jihadists.

Scotland has 400 Muslim Homicide Bombers running around, RIGHT NOW, with the intent to commit murder.

England and Wales have 15,400 Muslim Homicide Bombers running around, looking for the right time and opportunity, to engage in Jihad.

It's not 1 in a billion C-Gnat, not by a long shot.
You'd better wake up, stop frequenting the Rad Left websites and start understanding that there really are a LOT of people out there who want to kill you and other non-Muslims; and they're willing and wanting to do it, no matter your denial of the fact.

Cheers from the Rockies


 

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