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Al Ford,

Insch 05/07/2008 23:53:40
The following report from allmediascotland.com (at http://www.allmediascotland.com/media_releases/2952/eleven_glasgow_labour_councillors_under_investigation)has just come to my attention. It appears to shed light on the withdrawal of Councillor Ryan from the Labour candidate-selection procedure for the by-election at Glasgow East and the apparent unwillingness of Councillor Purcell to take his place.

"Eleven Labour Glasgow City Councillors, including Councillor George Ryan, who last night suddenly pulled out of the contest to represent Labour in the crucial Glasgow East by-election, were reported to the Standards (Commission) on 18 June 2008 in connection with a controversial land deal in the city centre.

"The complaint surrounded their conduct in relation to the controversial attempt to close down the 150 year old Paddy's Market in the city and obtain land on which the market is currently located.

"The complaint which was submitted to the Standards Commission of Scotland by a representative of Paddy's Market traders claimed that Councillor Ryan misled the council in a report he presented to the council's Executive Committee which recommended the council purchase the head lease of the land where the market is situated and for the historic Paddy's Market to be closed down.

"The report which was presented by Councillor Ryan at a meeting on 20 March 2008, and subsequently led to the council's endorsement of its recommendations, stated that the owners of the land had agreed to provide the lease at a reduced rate to the Council. However, the forty page complaint document submitted to the Standards Commission included information that clearly indicated that no such deal had been made with the council.

"Councillor Ryan also faces investigation for other breaches of the Code of Conduct in relation to this matter along with ten other high profile Glasgow City Council Labour councillors including the Council leader, Steven Purcell.

"Paddy's Market repre
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Al Ford,

Insch 05/07/2008 23:54:32
"Paddy's Market representative, Brian Daly said:
"This market has been here for over 150 years, and my family has been trading here for three generations. The Labour councillors who are intent on closing us down have failed in their responsibilities as elected members to engage with us at any time in relation to this. They have, instead, chosen to make backroom decisions and bulldozer them through without any regard for the democratic process.
"The whole affair has been one of misrepresentation of the facts to the public, the media and to the council itself. We live in a democratic society yet, some of those who we trust to carry out duties on our behalf have chosen to make decisions and disregard the wishes of the electorate.
"Labour councillors refused to share vital information with other elected members from other political parties who also represent this area or include them in the vital stages of the decision making process. Instead there has been a sustained approach by some Labour councillors and council officials to make unsupported claims both in council and through the media locally in an attempt to gain public and council support for their project.
"Elected members who behave in such a way should and must be held fully accountable for their actions, and whilst it would be inappropriate for me to pre-empt the findings of the Standard Commission investigation, I believe the evidence against those Councillors involved is pretty damning. We won’t put up with the bully boy tactics of the council any longer. We very much look forward to the outcome of the investigation."

"(...) The other ten Labour councillors (who) have been reported to the Standards Commission are: Councillor Steven Purcell, Council Leader

Councillor James Coleman, Deputy Leader of the Council

Councillor Aileen Colleran, Council Business Manager Councillor

Stephen Curran, City Treasurer

Bailie Gordon Matheson, local councillor for Paddy’s Market Bailie Hanzala Malik
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Al Ford,

Insch 05/07/2008 23:55:14
Councillor Stephen Doran Councillor Archie Graham Councillor Ruth Simpson Councillor Shaukat Butt

"The Code of Conduct for Councillors forms part of the Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000

"Paddy's Market traders have submitted an alternative proposal to the landowners which, if accepted, would see them take over the head lease and to operate the facility on a community based co-operative system or trust. The Paddy's proposal details how they will regenerate the area whilst maintaining the current market community. It also places a strong emphasis on community involvement and social inclusion plans which would ensure that it continued to assist people from all walks of life."

As I have no personal knowledge of this matter, I shall refrain from commenting on it, save to say that it would appear that Labour's troubles concerning this ill-fated by-election of theirs appear to be about to reach a whole new level of political damage for them. At least the issue is a local one, and they did want to discuss local issues in this election. Did they not?
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 00:06:23
#4 LOL
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Iainbroch,

Moray 06/07/2008 00:07:53
I guess I will not be going to John Lewis anytime soon - the idea that a shrill harpie will be shopping there has sent a shiver down my spine.
Also I thought that Purcell and Ryan did not need to do any home refurnishing anytime soon - I guess I was wrong about that assumption?
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 06/07/2008 00:10:40
LABOUR PARTY IN MELTDOWN. Margaret Curran in the above picture looks like she has been bungy jumping down a volcano. The melted welly look is very fashionable at the moment in Labour circles.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 00:17:28
#7

When I saw the photo I thought it was Ex-Scottish Secretary Tom Clarke in drag.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:30:30
Unlike most of the people posting here I know Margaret Curran and have known her for several years. She will be an excellent MP for the East End of Glasgow. Real Old Labour, where it matters, but new enough to understand the world as it is. Margaret can be relied upon to twist Gordon's arm with a bit more pressure to get things going in the East End and create opportunities to improve the appaling levels of poverty and ill health faced by many residents. The electors will realise that the SNP see their constituency and their votes purely as a propaganda exercise.

And she really annoys the nationalists, as can be seen by the pile of personal attacks they will use to try and hide their lack of real politics. Read on...
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Matt there,

somewhere 06/07/2008 00:30:51
"Curran's decision to stand may also have been influenced by the fact that her Holyrood seat is to be merged with a neighbouring constituency..."

Her decision to stand is a principled one, clearly.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 00:31:26
#9

You would say that if Basil Brush was the candidate.

By "walking the seat" I assume you mean she will increase the majority?

Boom Boom!
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 00:33:06
#10

"Unlike most of the people posting here I know Margaret Curran and have known her for several years."

A completely unbiased assesment then.

Get a grip!
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Senga Jean,

06/07/2008 00:36:02
Labour? Just sad.
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democrate,

central Scotland 06/07/2008 00:41:10
and would Margaret Curran have any comment to make about the incumbent's expenses claims, as narrated in the Mail on Sunday today?
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 00:41:28
#10, interesting comment you made there....
"Margaret can be relied upon to twist Gordon's arm with a bit more pressure to get things going in the East End and create opportunities to improve the appaling levels of poverty and ill health faced by many residents."

Any reason why her predecessor couldn't/didn't apply that 'bit more' pressure during his long tenure in the seat ???
Any reason why these 'appalling levels of poverty and ill health' have happened on Labour's watch ???
Any reason why this SLAB numpty Curran should suddenly be believed to deliver ANYTHING, when this constituency and it's neighbours have been left to rot by SLAB political careerists for decades ???

WHAT A JOKE !
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:42:56
#13 - "A completely unbiased assesment then."

No, an honest one. I'm not claiming to be unbiased - I'm not the BBC. Of course I'm biased, I know her and I like her, and I admire her work, as do many MSPs on all sides.

Now look at all the personal attacks!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:43:32
#18 - you're not exactly helping here!
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Jock Fox,

06/07/2008 00:47:53
With a pedigree of 27 years advising soap-dodgers about benefit claims, Margaret Curran should romp it in Shettleston.
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Saor Alba :)
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Schot,

06/07/2008 00:55:09
How about Labours Lord Mike Watson ? His only crime was trying to incinerate a hotel full of Scottish politicians, a misdemeanor at best.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:58:40
#29 - are you trying to sell a car?
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:59:59
#26 - I'm just trying to raise the tone!
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Jock Fox,

06/07/2008 01:02:26
#34,

No. He's just enjoying making his keyboard sticky.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 01:06:46
Number 6 - I guess you must have got your information that the SNP attempted to get Elaine C Smith to stand from the Daily Record or some other Labour rag.

As far as i am aware Elaine C Smith is not currently even a member of the SNP.

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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 01:16:01
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I think more has still to come out about the Mike Watson story.

The way I heard it, Lord George Foulkes was staggering through the hotel when he met Mike Watson who was standing by the window attempting to light a cigarette. Georgie boy being full of whisky, emitted a sort of Rikki Fulton type belch - forcefully and right into the path of Mike Watson's lighter. This in turn produced a sort of flamethrower effect which set light to the curtains.

I'm not saying it's true you understand, just the way I heard it.

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Marky Bhoy,

Scotland 06/07/2008 01:22:56

I cant imagine a more psthetic choice to stand for Labour .

She reminds me of a puppy I once had YELP YELP YELP only the Puppy was better looking
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FrancesP,

06/07/2008 01:37:03
The most interesting thing about this article is the suggestion that Curran does not intend to stand down from the Scottish Parliament and cause yet another by-election (hardly surprising given the risk for Labour). If that's true, she'll be both an MP and MSP for three whole years, and unless I'm missing something, she can't be in both places at once. The irony is that, given the tightness of the arithmetic at Holyrood, that's where Labour will really need her, but presumably she'll now be honour-bound to spend at least 50% of her time at Westminster, or else this decision will look utterly ridiculous. Well, it looks ridiculous anyway, but you know what I mean.

And how is she going to deal with this type of exchange -

CURRAN - I'm standing because I'm so committed to serving this part of Glasgow.
VOTER - So why don't you continue to serve us in the Scottish Parliament, like we elected you to do only last year?
CURRAN - Oh, but I'm going to carry on doing that as well.
VOTER - So what you're saying is we're now going to have a part-time MP and a part-time MSP? How is that providing us with a better service?
CURRAN - Ah, but that's exactly what Alex Salmond is doing in the north-east.
VOTER - But didn't I hear you say that was an utterly despicable thing for him to do? Or have you completely changed your mind since you said that?
CURRAN - Er...um...didn't you tell me your father voted Labour? Best not to think about these things too deeply, son.
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chicmac,

Kirriemuir 06/07/2008 01:44:01
The Labour majority is so huge in this constituency I cannot see Labour losing it.

So really I must say Margaret, welcome to obscurity, you could have been so much more.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 01:50:08
Well FrancesP, I imagine if Margaret Curran doesn't win she'll stay on at Holyrood, while if she does win she'll want to give up Glasgow Baillieston. She shouldn't try to keep both constituencies going. If she gets the Westminster seat no doubt whoever the Labour candidate (not G Ryan!) is will have a better chance of getting in on the tide of victory.

FrancesP, why did you avoid using her first name? You wouldn't like it if she referred to you as P, would you?
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Edward,

06/07/2008 01:54:38
'Labour sources said last night that if Curran wins the Glasgow East by-election in three weeks, she will stand down at Holyrood at the next Scottish elections in 2010.
Eh! Someone better tell Labour the next Holyrood election is 2011 not 2010

So if gobby Curran wins, she will be a 2 for 1 deal part time MP and MSP
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 01:58:13
Oh, "sources", eh? Well I can't compete with "sources."
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FrancesP,

06/07/2008 02:05:58
45. "FrancesP, why did you avoid using her first name?" I have no idea, I hadn't really thought about it. To save time, I suppose! If I call her Ms Curran, perhaps Ms Curran will be kind enough to call me Ms P.

As for your specualtion about what might happen if Ms Curran wins the by-election, I'm not convinced. I still don't think Labour would take the risk of her standing down from Holyrood immediately. So she'd just have to plough on with her dual mandate for three years and bluster her way through the contradictions - it won't be easy for her. I'm wondering if Gordon Brown has offered her a ministerial job at Westminster to persuade her all this hassle will be worth it. A replacement for David Cairns, perhaps? (Not before time...)
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Deeside,

Scotland 06/07/2008 02:06:15
#46

Isn't that better known as a BOGOF deal :)
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Muzorewi's Daighter,

06/07/2008 02:08:56
Would anyone like to see Maggy Curran in action? Yes I hear you cry. Well here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHbGCR6lutY

Except you obviously, Fifi. No doubt you need to get along to John Lewis' first thing the morn to grab what you can, while you can. I hear those plasma tellies are a barg.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/07/2008 02:14:02
#47 Fifi la Bonbon Good posts Strange how some people will believe and uphold what some journalists say and yet condemn them if it does not fit in with their particular viewpoint.

Keep posting
Willie
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FrancesP,

06/07/2008 02:18:26
51. Willie - "Strange how some people will believe and uphold what some journalists say and yet condemn them if it does not fit in with their particular viewpoint."

I think Labour's hysterical attack on journalists at BBC Scotland proves that very point.
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Canada,

Dalmarnock 06/07/2008 02:56:05
Funny! After years of neglect by labour suddnely the East End becomes so impotrant.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 06/07/2008 03:01:59
#47 FrancesP - well said.

They have no talent left.

The habitual voting for labour in deprived areas can historically be explained by the inhabitants being fed propoganda by the media and swallowing it unthinkingly (and in good faith).

In this more enlightened age how many more decades will it take for these people to work out the obvious - the labour Party are in it for themselves.

Frankly, if you vote for Labour you are voting for the status quo - wallowing in glorious poverty.

The three charectaristics of a labour stronghold are:-

Well below average income and large pockets of extreme poverty

Well below average life expectancy

Well below average workplace particapation

What do Labour do to change these demographic and economic disgraces? - hee haw.
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An Beal Bacht,

06/07/2008 03:07:55
Maggie Curran is a great choice. Bring it on.
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Traquir , Alba,

06/07/2008 03:47:19
Now their are 500,000 new reasons why Glasgow East
should not vote Labour again.

From the Mail On Sunday we have a story on
the recently resigned for "ill health" Glasgow
East MP David Marshall. Interesting it is
not a top head line in the leading Scottish
newspapers :)

"Labour MP spent £500,000 of taxpayers' money running office from home staffed by wife"

"But Mr Marshall's office was in his semi-detached Glasgow home and he employed his wife Tina as his secretary"

"Party sources said he felt 'under pressure' over the expenses allegations. "

Yep - it is called guilt. Let's have Margaret Curran
start her campaign by critizing this parastic
behaviour in the strongest terms.

see - tinyurl.com/6j7m48

Whilst Labour has spent 50 years turning
areas of Scotland into abject poverty and
life spans less that war zones like the Gaza Strip,
the Labour comrades have fed fully from the
trough like pigs. Recently they had a chance to redeem
themselves and cutoff some of one their obscene
troughs, but no instead they vote against
a crackdown on their controversial London expenses
so their John Lewis trough remains open.
~45% of Scottish Labour MPS voted to keep the trough,
0% of SNP MPs voted to keep it.

see - tinyurl.com/5eaofu

Sleaze and corruption are endemic in the Labour party
especially in Scotland after decades in power.
They need to be wiped off the face of the Scottish
political landscape for what they have done and
are still doing to Scotland. Perhaps like David
Marshall some more of them will start
feeling the guilt and shame- but I doubt it.
They simply need to be kicked out and Glasgow
East will be a good start.

Saor Alba
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 06/07/2008 03:48:16
#50

I watched your You Tube vid.
What a friggin' witch. Kinda reminds you of everyone's ex-wife. This evil little mud flap surely isn't going to get elected again. Jimmy would have to be on double figure Tennants to make a mistake like that.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/07/2008 03:52:13
On these threads in the last few days some nationalists have called the people of Glasgow East depraved, ignorant, wasters and junkies

And then patronize them as humourous and heartwarming

Please vote for us in the By Election we will take you away from all of this .

Who is exploiting the people of Glasgow East
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/07/2008 04:07:38
#Cont from 59 Never in the history of elections and By- Elections have the people of a Constituency been treated with such disrespect. By the media in general and online posters.

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FrancesP,

06/07/2008 04:29:13
#59/61. I haven't noticed anyone actually using the words 'depraved', 'ignorant', 'wasters' or 'junkies', so I'll have to take your word for it (possibly a mistake). But I do get the feeling both you and Labour are trying to have your cake and eat it here - anyone who points out the deep-seated problems the consituency faces is being 'insulting', while anyone who praises the constituency in any way is being 'patronising'.

However, I'm happy to agree with your general point that online posters should use respectful language. Labour have treated Glasgow East with enough disrespect all these years, there's no call for anyone else to join in.
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somerferg,

perth 06/07/2008 04:32:25

If you have ever wanted to see nasty politics - just watch NUmpty Labour over the next few weeks. They will plumb new depths to convince the good people of the east end of Glasgow that the last 50 years of mismanagement of their city and the whole of Scotland was actually the best times of their lives and that they should sign up for more of the same. Just think about east end people - more unemployment, more deprivation, worse health, less safe streets, poorer housing stock oh and don't forget any crumbs from the master's table will have to be personally approved by london. Yes it really is a no brainer!
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Guga II,

Rockall 06/07/2008 05:25:25
#57 Traquir.

I really wish you would stop insulting pigs.
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Guga II,

Rockall 06/07/2008 05:28:27
#1 Al.

Very interesting story about Councillor Ryan and the other Glasgow councillors. However, this is the sort of behaviour we have come to expect from the Labour Mafia and their brown envelope brigade.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/07/2008 05:31:04
#62 Francesp I said "some" Nationalists.

Most on here discuss and debate with respect and decency,

Check out Neil Waugh at #53 0348 Saturdays Scotsman the Gordon Brown goes for broke thread
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terry osser,

morden 06/07/2008 05:49:43
no. 57 why does your mob keep voting labor? labor has always been the party of poverty--read the history of their times in power where most people--but not mps--end up worse off both financially and socially
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Damy Ruby,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 06:20:58
If the media is correct and Gordon Brown would have to resign if Labour loses then the people of the East End of Glasgow have a huge responsibility to whole of Great Britain. By not voting Labour and by ridding us of this tyrant and his pocket lining cronies like Balls and wife, his incompetents like Darling and Smith, they just might be saving the UK at this crucial time. Never in the field of by election voting has so much opportunity be given to so few. Please, please Glasgow East End vote to kill Brown when you and only you get he chance
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Glesga Jambo,

Glasgow 06/07/2008 06:26:14
Labour strategists have worked a blinder here. My vote was going against them but now they have given me an opportunity to send Curran to London for 3 years, well they have me in a spin now.
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Damy Ruby,

M8 Motorway heading west 06/07/2008 06:43:07
Thank you number 50, all have a look at this site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHbGCR6lutY

The woman's an out right thug! Takes me back to labour of the sixties and seventies!!

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Robbie 2,

New Zealand 06/07/2008 07:25:27

#57 Traquir , Alba, 06/07/2008 03:47:19
“ From the Mail On Sunday we have a story on the recently resigned for "ill health" Glasgow
This is what causes ‘health problems’
"Labour MP (David Marshall) spent £500,000 of taxpayers' money running office from home staffed by wife"
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1032385/Labour-MP-spent-500-000-taxpayers-money-running-office-home-staffed-wife.html
As you say, Traquir, “not a top head line in the leading Scottish newspapers..” Was it mentioned in ANY Scottish paper or TV news??? Perhaps it should be passed on or copies of the Mail given out in Glasgow East.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 06/07/2008 07:39:30
margaret curran,she will terrify bairns when she looks in their prams,broon is afraid to visit the east end,the nominated candidate runs away,wee wendy runs away,a pattern is emerging of running away
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Linda,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 07:41:37
My friend in Labour Party says Margaret Curren was fingered for leaking Wendy's expenses to Sunday Herald and her career at Holyrood finished.

Also that Lord John Reid of Parkhead is being lined up to take over her MSP job so that he can lead Labour against Alex Salmond.
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Pocket Dictionary,

06/07/2008 07:42:02
Sounds like the death knell for any MP/MSP's career riding on the coat tails of Gordon Brown in this political climate.

When Labour re-group after losing the next elections (British and Scottish, there'll be no place for those who supported Brown.
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roughrider,

glasgow 06/07/2008 07:50:31

Magrat Curran rides to the rescue.

http://tinyurl.com/5f4uhr

lol.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 07:51:15
I see the dirty tricks brigade are out in force again! Margaret Curren will wipe the floor with the SNP,one white-washed snp candidate coming up.
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pehman,

sussex 06/07/2008 07:53:45

I look forward with great interest to Margaret Currans first press conference, Q Ms Curran what have you to say about the allogations of corruption in the Glasgow city labour party ?

A, it's they effing Snp B'STARDSthat ir daeing this
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 06/07/2008 07:54:48
#77

Please explain
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Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 07:55:20
The greater Labour's profile in the Glasgow East by-election, the sweeter the SNP's eventual victory on July the 24th. What better form of referendum could there be? The writing's clearly on the wall for the London government, and the headless chickens who run its Scottish branch office.
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pehman,

sussex 06/07/2008 07:58:22

The BBC bias theory will be tested in this by-election too

We'll see which candidate gets interviewed by Kirsty wark and who gets paxman/ Humphrey's
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Pocket Dictionary,

06/07/2008 08:02:21
First off, I'm a floating voter with no adherence to any political party.

I would like to clarify one point about the reaction to the SNP's commissioned report on the early release of prisoners. The recommendations come from an ex-Labour MP, who is also an ex- Labour MSP and former Labour First Minister of Scotland - Henry McLeish.

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roughrider,

Glasgow 06/07/2008 08:03:56
77 betty the first.
You are havin a laugh, right.
ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
Thats all about Curran is capable of, wiping floors with her broom.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 08:08:46
Can things possibly get any worse for the Layabout Party?

Could one of the safest Labour seats in the U.K. be about to fall to the Nationalists?

It seems highly improbable, however IF the formidable Margaret Curran somehow fails to retain Glasgow East and it is won by a massive swing to the Nationalists, not only will it be a major setback for the Labour Party in Scotland but it could well signal the end of Scottish Devolved Government, and a return to centralised rule from Westminster?

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LEAL,

06/07/2008 08:10:31
74 Linda

Labour have said Curran will not resign her Holyrood seat until the next election,so that would appear to rule out any move by John Reid.I dont really think he will want to be involved with Labours sinking ship any longer.Labour could only get a candidate by offering it to someone with nothing to lose by standing.Except face.And she is hard enough faced to cope with that.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 06/07/2008 08:10:52
Battered Brown? Is this an admission from the Hootsmon?

Previously you'd never have known Labour was in trouble if you read their "stories".

I say again - people of east Glasgow just look around you if you want to see what Labour & unionism has done for you.
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Jimmy the Pie,

06/07/2008 08:17:27
I wonder if the 200 members of the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption in Glasgow East fully realise that when their beloved party goes bankrupt(which won't be long!), they will be held, individually, financially accountable for all debts.

As the Sleaze Party will have no assets, then the members will have to share the burden. All your possessions sold at auction!!!

Of course you could always ask David Marshall (ex mP) for a sub. He seems to have done very well from being an MP.

All union members should opt out of the political levy right away, and cut as much of New Labour Sleaze income as possible.

I'll have financial details of some MP's expense claims this week.

You'll all be the first to know!! ;-)
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danielrober,

06/07/2008 08:17:57
# 57 Traquir , Alba,

Oh they you are. Finding you on these sites is like closing your eyes in a pub - follow the loudest voice.

As i was saying.

Ref http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Brown-going--for-broke.4259174.jp


# 499 Traquir , Alba,

How obsessed, are you?

I was Reffering to 1968 as it was approx 40 years ago, 20 years before the end of the cold war, that ended in 1988. 1988 was in turn approx 20 years ago. If 1968 is a magical year for you i'm glad you have such memories, but i was not born yet so its history to me along with the Great Depression.

No i was more referring to how people have just got themselves together and got on with life. Ignoring the big politics of the cold war, imperial collapse, who's sleeping with who and the laywer talk on constitiutions.

Seen as you are talking ---

# 391

Glad to see you happy for once. I thought you only ever uttered doom and gloom.

But let me ask you a question. Over the last forty years since 1968, people have worked their guts out to rebuild a shattered economy and culture. Refugges have come here, built companies, paid taxes and contibuted to our island. Many of them are now family, joining older families in the best possible way. What is it that you have against New Britain - generally?

After all i have just come in from shopping in London, for food and the place is full of people escaping the very economies that the SNP wishes to emulate. Why do you wish to follow these struggling economies?

ARE YOU ACTUALLY GOING TO 'TRY TO'REPLY TO THESE QUESTIONS OR ARE YOU JUST MONOLOGING?
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 08:25:21
79. What would you like me to explain?
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Jim P,

06/07/2008 08:26:18
#10 Fifi la Bonbon,06/07/2008 00:30:30

" the appaling levels of poverty and ill health faced by many residents"

...the result of decades of Labour inaction, Fifi? Why will Curran be any different than Marshall?
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Jim P,

06/07/2008 08:27:36
# elizabeth the first ,06/07/2008 07:51:15

Troll alert!
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danielrober,

06/07/2008 08:31:13
# 53 Canada,Dalmarnock

I can undersatnd your point. To some of us though Glasgow has never been out of the front line. Its a city of remarkable diversity and ability. Its just misunderstood, by a certain type of person.

If you could keep poking with a stick to remind people after this mini election that Glasgow will still exists that would be appreaciated. Thanks.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 08:32:36
90. Did it ever occur to you, that these poor poverty struck individuals are given all the support they need,but choose to waste there dole,income support etc, on booze and fags.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 06/07/2008 08:39:03
I am sure the people in east Glasgow realise that, by voting Labour, they are voting for a bankrupt party devoid of ideas & ideals, a party that are losing their grip on power anyway. Ask yourself, are Labour REALLY going to win the next General Election?

NOT A CHANCE.
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JennieG ,

Glasgow 06/07/2008 08:39:49
So Margaret Curran would rather be a wee cog in Westminster than Labour Leader in Scotland! Says a lot about Labour's attitude to Scotland.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 08:41:28
JIM P. You forgot to mention this--800 jobs to regenerate Glasgow's East End
by Gordon Thomson

© Evening Times
Originally published: 14.11.2007

More than 800 jobs could be relocated to kickstart regeneration in the east end of Glasgow.

Job creators and council chiefs are set to spearhead an ambitious drive to bring economic prosperity to one of the city's most deprived areas.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 08:44:18
96. What are you trying to insinuate.
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Jimmy the Pie,

06/07/2008 08:44:43
So David Marshall is suffering from 'clinical depression'??

Was that because he was found out???
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Jimmy the Pie,

06/07/2008 08:46:59
One thing I don't understand is why the police don't charge these fraudsters.
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06/07/2008 08:53:02
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 06/07/2008 08:58:05
I'm rather worried now. After the imminent defeat in Glasgow on July 24th, there is a real danger of a sacked Gordon Brown coming back to Fife looking for a cushy number. The Fife economy is now doing quite well, and the last thing we need is this abject failure of a Prime Minister to return and spoil things.
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Calum10,

06/07/2008 09:05:54
Margaret Curran is Labour's 5th choice.

George Ryan didn't turn up, Glasgow leader Stephen Purcell, local MSP Frank McAveety and ex party general secretary Lesley Quinn all refused the offer.

It seems Margaret Curran also has some dark secrets. She is widely touted as being the 'mole' that shopped Wendy Alexander over her dodgy donations, and she has openly briefed against her own party colleagues.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/07/2008 09:22:33
In the very unlikely event that the harridan Curran wins this election, will we hear the Labour unionists calling her "two jobs Magz"?
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06/07/2008 09:27:25
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Mikey,

06/07/2008 09:52:18
This looks to me like a rat JOINING a sinking ship!

C'mon all you Labour neanderthals. Tell us how many seats you're gonna win at the next Westmonster elections!
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 06/07/2008 09:53:19
Same election tactic was used by Labour prior to May 2007. Didn't work then, is even more ludicrous now.
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 09:58:29
If Margaret Curran is the answer, Labour is asking the wrong question. A lecturer in community work, then MSP. She has never done a proper job in her life. Like the SNP candidate she knows how to help people claim benefits and spend taxpayers' money. What Glasgow East needs as an MP is someone who has done a real job that creates wealth and who can inspire people to get real jobs.
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 10:11:50
109

And who would that be then? Maggie Thatcher? David Cameron? Ted Heath? John Major? how do you think any of these candidates would fair in Glasgow East?
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 10:16:00
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They cant afford booze and fags on the benefit money they are paid. People only get unemployment benefit because they have contributed to the treasury with their NI and are only getting the money back they themselves contributed. Then of course there is invalidity benefit no doubt a little nazi like you would like to see those too disabled to work given no help at all?
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Richardinho,

06/07/2008 10:27:26
Whilst Labour has clearly failed communities like Glasgow east, it would be interesting if the other parties would explain how they are going to improve things in the area.
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 10:31:03
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Well the SNP has made it clear as crystal they are going to fight for Indepedence get control of all of Scotland finances and spend it all in Scotland rather than abroad. Didnt you know that?
Now what is the Tory and Lib Dem plan?
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 10:33:13
109 Publius

Do you mean somebody like Tom Farmer?
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PC McGarry#452,

999 Letsby Avenue 06/07/2008 10:34:05
Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias

I remember them. Sure I have a couple of their singles lying about in the loft.
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Stuntman Mike,

06/07/2008 10:36:48
Surely the way to spin this story is that Labour have now introduced a big hitter of proven quality into the fray and that Ryan withdrew early on, so the Nats are pretty desperately trying to make what they can of his departure.

I don't vote Labour myself, but I would urge the voters of Glasgow East to back their candidate. The Nats are, in my opinion, pernicious opportuntists who will promise anything as part of their "gradualist" approach to making their separation agenda appear palatable. I was even talking to a friend (who only arrived in this country a few years ago), but is of the unfortunate impression that nationalism is mainstream. Don't you worry, she's no longer under that misapprehension, SNP minority government or not.
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06/07/2008 10:37:48
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Publius,

06/07/2008 10:39:26
#116 brownlie

Yep. Tom Farmer would be excellent, whatever party he stood for. His candidature would change the terms of debate from expenditure to wealth creation and real jobs.
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Jim P,

06/07/2008 10:42:10
#97 elizabeth the first ,06/07/2008 08

"More than 800 jobs could be relocated to kickstart regeneration in the east end of Glasgow.

Job creators and council chiefs are set to spearhead blah, blah, blah..."

Live old horse and ye'll hae corn tae eat!

I lived in Old Shettleston Road, it was the same then as it is now. Labour has offered no solutions. Time for a change.
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 10:44:19
#110 Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias

Thanks for the offer, but I'm too old!
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 10:51:59
#94 elizabeth the first

People's choices are shaped by their environment, their family and friends. Many people in Glasgow East do waste money on 'booze and fags'. And they live in benefits and dependency culture. It is silly (perhaps wicked) to condemn their intellectual poverty. They need to be got into real private sector jobs and learn the importance of holding them down and self-reliance. An MP who would be a role model for this - not a benefits broker, teacher, trade unionist etc - would help.
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 10:52:30
97 Elizabeth

Off topic but when did you move from Bearsden to Killearn?

And is there honey still for tea?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

06/07/2008 11:01:46
Fingers crossed: Margaret curran will stand for Labour in a Glasgow-by-election that Prime Minister Gordon Brown cannot afford to lose

Un baised statement from the Scotsman then ?

Wait til ya hear the improprieties about to be revealled this week tho’ mwah ha ha ha ha