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Published Date: 20 August 2008
An independent auditor raised concerns over the party's financial state in a report published on the Electoral Commission website. The Lib Dems posted debts of almost £75,000 for 2007, about £22,000 more than their assets.
"These conditions indicate the existence of a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt about the party's ability to continue as a going concern," the auditor from the accountancy firm PKF (UK) LLP noted.

Party bosses have insisted
its finances are sound and its bankers are willing to support its debt. But as three of its MSPs – Tavish Scott, Mike Rumbles and Ross Finney – fight over the leadership, the revelation of the party's financial vulnerability has come at an embarrassing time.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats are officially separate from the party in England, which is also heavily in debt, but they are affiliated in a federal system.

This means that the Scottish party is responsible for its own finances and would not necessarily be baled out from south of the Border.

Party sources have said that the debt was a result of 2007 being a double election year, when it had to fight campaigns for the Scottish Parliament and local councils.

Most of the party's expenditure of just over £750,000 went on fighting the elections. A spokesman said: "The party's auditors have confirmed that the party is indeed a going concern. The deficit of £22,000 occurred in a double election year, when the demands of the party's campaign operation were significantly high.

"This is an entirely manageable deficit, which the party's bankers have confirmed they will support."

He went on to point out that the SNP's deficit stands at £600,000 and, on a UK scale, Labour and the Tories have debts worth millions.

He added: "The Scottish Liberal Democrats are already taking steps to improve our long-term income position."

However, all three leadership contenders have made it clear in their campaigns that the party needs to do more about raising membership and support.

Mr Rumbles said: "The only way we can do this is by offering distinctive policies, choice and image that people can buy into, both in terms of membership and party donations."

He added: "We need to put this in perspective. It's not a major problem, but it would be better if our books balanced on the right side, rather than the wrong one."

Political opponents said the financial problems are indicative of a party that is dwindling in its support in Scotland.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats came only third in the Scottish Parliament elections last year, even though the party overstretched its funds.

Added to that, the party has only about 4,000 members.

Christina McKelvie, a Nationalist MSP, said: "Not only are polls showing that the Scottish Liberal Democrat leadership contenders are invisible to the public, but it looks like the eventual successor to Nicol Stephen may even inherit an invisible party."

The MSP added: "It further underlines the blunder they made in taking to the back-benches in a huff after last year's Holyrood election."

An SNP spokesman said the Liberal Democrats' criticisms of its debt were not valid. He said: "The point is we have a lot more money coming in and assets to cover our debt."





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  • Last Updated: 20 August 2008 1:07 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Liberal Democrats
 
1

AM2,

Scotland,UK 19/08/2008 23:35:24
Ah well. That’s fiscal autonomy for you. ;-)

But why did the SNP wheel out Christina “£500 billion” McKelvie?
Could there possibly be any *less* numerate MSP?
2

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19/08/2008 23:36:19
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3

Senga Jean,

20/08/2008 00:01:37
Strike ONE, Strike TWO...AM2 has no one to play with. Diddums!
4

Senga Jean,

20/08/2008 00:08:28
No takers for poor AM2. I did notice at the end of the link or perhaps imagined it. "This message was paid for and approved by John McCain." I trust the future under SNP rather than AM2's Tories.
5

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 20/08/2008 00:09:30

AM2

What has this story got to do with the SNP
6

beckypumps1,

Fife 20/08/2008 00:13:04
75k debts thats nothing, I am sure the other partys have that much maybe even more depending one which spin doctor you listen too.

How much debt would a party have to get to go bust?
7

Jimmy Le Pie,

20/08/2008 00:13:29
AM2

You coming to my street party on Britpish Day???
8

karinxxx,

20/08/2008 00:18:55
6 becky obviously more than 18 million because thats how much debt labour are in.
9

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 20/08/2008 00:22:58

7

When is that I think we should have Emperor of the Universe day each year on Gordon Browns Birthday ( 30th of Febuary ) with the permission of the Americans of course
10

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 20/08/2008 00:25:05

Karin

Shame on you no home truths allowed on here we have to be gentle with them LOL
11

beckypumps1,

Fife 20/08/2008 00:27:07
8 Karinxxx 18 million with a falling membership! You would think some jurno would pick up on that.Whould that be the same Labour party that is about to shut my local post office?
12

Rossmcl,

Edinburgh 20/08/2008 01:19:30
The spelling in this article is appalling. Finney/Finnie.
Baled out/bailed out.
Its basic standard of writing has deteriorated so much I think it is the Scotsman who should be worrying about its long-term viability!

13

democracy,

Scottish Borders 20/08/2008 02:43:17
When a party spends 3/4Million pounds to achieve 16 seats in parliament and has zero ambition to be in power, the question must be put, "Why bother??"
14

The Pict.,

Canada 20/08/2008 02:51:09
SOLUTION: the Lib Dems should 'acquire' pride and cross the floor to join the S.N.P. and therefore represent Scotland on behalf of Scotland instead of Scotland on behalf of England.

Slainte mhath.
15

Nevsky,

Moscow 20/08/2008 02:56:31
£750,000? Presumably most of that spend in their stronghold of muckle flugga!

16

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 20/08/2008 05:08:00
LOL i went to a lib dem jumble sale in haddington last year? and there was a touch of "i'll just empty my kitchen drawer out onto a pasting table" look about everything! needless to say this made my mind up for me that you could never let them near the running scotland or any other country! they don't have a clue!wishy washy liberal fence sitting upper middle class hippy wannabes!
17

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20/08/2008 07:53:22
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18

brownlie,

20/08/2008 08:47:33
24 Rules

"Take SNP for example" - your best advice yet!

How forlorn is your fixation, aspiration and desperation for federation?
19

Doh,

20/08/2008 09:02:49


Right better get making some more jam for the next jumble sale.

20

donald,

glasgow 20/08/2008 09:12:14
Wouldn't Nic the Brit's expense claims cover it with a bit left over for spreading a bypass jam?
21

Margaret L,

E 20/08/2008 09:59:38
Why have we all been shut off from commenting on readers' letters???????????
22

Linda,

Edinburgh 20/08/2008 09:59:50
Do any of the would be Lib Dem Scottish leaders agree with Liberal Peers Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer and Dick Taverne that the £2.4 million donation the Lib Dems received from a wanted man is tainted and should be returned?
From The Times Online 27 October 2005
The Times today revealed that Michael Brown faces up to five years in jail after skipping probation in Florida seven years ago while owning money to a court. He has been accused of bouncing 12 cheques worth more than $7,300. He said that he was "truly shocked" to learn that he was regarded as an absconder on court papers.
There is no precedent for a British political party keeping major funding from a donor who was a wanted man when the gift was made.
Michael Brown is a tax exile who gave the Lib Dems £2.4 million through a company which did not trade in the UK which is against Electoral Commission rules.
Google… Michael Brown £2.4 million donation for the full story
23

Doh,

20/08/2008 10:11:57
#31

Linda get out the gutter you starting to stink.


He was not a wanted man when the donation was made.
The Electoral Commision has alredady investigated this issue and found that the donation was accepted in good faith.

The bigger issue is funding of political parties.
It is not coincidence that the SNP are awash with cash after the Souter donation.
This is not the way to fund political parties.

A candidate should be able to claim election expenses against the number of votes received. Say £1 a vote.

24

bluehead,

edinburgh 20/08/2008 10:32:07
the lib Dem's always got the name of being the poor man's Tory party,I never knew what that meant until now
25

Linda,

Edinburgh 20/08/2008 10:33:57
Doh

Facts are cheils that winna ding.

There is no precedent for a British political party keeping major funding from a donor who was a wanted man when the gift was made.
Michael Brown is a tax exile who gave the Lib Dems £2.4 million through a company which did not trade in the UK which is against Electoral Commission rules.
Google… Michael Brown £2.4 million donation for the full story
26

Doh,

20/08/2008 10:47:04
#34 Linda

You are simply a gutter dwelling muck racker.

The point is that yopu are dredging up old news.

The affair has been investigated and the court ruled that the donation had been accepted in good faith.

Why do you keep repeating this smear?

Which party does a creature like you support?

Get out the gutter.
27

Linda,

Edinburgh 20/08/2008 10:52:41
It is a genuine live issue when two Liberal Peers question whether or not morally the money should be returned.

This man left a trail of unpaid debts.
28

Doh,

20/08/2008 11:05:18
#36

Linda - okay now you are out the gutter.

Morally I dont think any party should accept large donations from millionaire businessmen.

For example Bernie Eccelston's donation to Labour,
which coincided with F1 being giving a repreive to advertise fags.

Or Soutars donation to the SNP coinciding with their decision not regulate buses.

That is morally questionable.

So instead of millionaires like Brown funding political parties - people should - when they express their support for that party at an election.
I would suggest £1 a vote.
What do you think?

29

Neil,

Glasgow 20/08/2008 11:55:18
Once you are out of government rich donors unaccountably cease their philanthropic desire to pay politicians.
30

Jimmy Le Pie,

20/08/2008 12:06:43

MacGillicuddy,

Don't you think the Welsh have enough on their plate with having our mutual friend and his lorry loads of flawed, useless statistics arriving in Cardiff?

Afghanistan maybe??
31

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20/08/2008 12:40:54
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

20/08/2008 13:31:03
#40

JDT - "Bust" Another goddam americanism
33

Eve,

Scotland 20/08/2008 20:43:41
Can a politacal party go bankruped?

What would happen if they did?

Would there MSP, EUMP (if thats the right letters, youse know what I mean) Conceilers & MP's. Do they become independents?

34

Eve,

Scotland 20/08/2008 20:52:15
#28 Doh: Yuck. Lib dem jam!!!! YUCK!!

Would that no be watery sryup?
35

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 21/08/2008 21:04:13
#21 - weel Spook, can I say as a member for the past 40 years its nae the first time and it won't be the last that our party is in the RED zone so I don't think this should be considered news to most members.

Thing is when the hat comes round we seem to find the necessary resources to carry on with the fight against conservatism, socialism and nationalism - so bring it on!

 

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