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BBC news 'too focused on London'



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Published Date: 12 June 2008
THE BBC's political coverage is biased in favour of stories about England, with too much emphasis on Westminster, a new report has warned.
A review for the BBC Trust said the corporation was "falling short of its own high standards" and "failing to meet its core purpose of informing democracy".

Research found 37 per cent of viewers thought BBC news reports were often not relevant
to where they lived.

The study was commissioned by the trust – the corporation's governing body – after complaints that too many news stories were relevant only to England.

Sir Michael Lyons, trust chairman, said affection for the BBC dropped the further people lived from London, partly as they did not see their lives reflected enough by programmes.

The report stated political coverage was seen as unduly focused on Westminster and referred to a "general bias" towards stories about England or telling stories from an English perspective. The report included an assessment by Anthony King, professor of government at the University of Essex, and research from Cardiff University.

Academics studied the accuracy and impartiality of network coverage of the four nations – particularly on devolution during the English local elections and national elections in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales in spring 2007.

Professor King found many people in London and the south of England appeared unaware of the scale of changes taking place elsewhere in the UK.

An analysis of BBC network news and current affairs programmes over a four-week period last year by Cardiff University found 19 per cent of stories involving or relating to devolution were vague and confusing and, of 136 stories about health and education, all of them dealt with England alone.

The vast majority of politicians on network news programmes were members of the Westminster parliament. And when Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland did feature on the news, the stories were more likely to be on sport and crime than devolved policy issues.

Pete Wishart MP, the SNP's broadcasting spokesman who gave evidence to the review, said the BBC was "failing to keep pace" with Scotland's evolving political and cultural life, leaving a skewed perspective of events north of the Border.

Renewing calls for a "Scottish Six" bulletin focusing on issues north of the Border, he added: "We need to look at UK and international news being delivered through a Scottish-produced 6pm and 10pm news service."

Ted Brocklebank, the Scottish Tories' culture spokesman, said the BBC had failed to adjust to the reality of devolution.

BBC managers said they would provide the trust with an action plan next month.

A recent survey found a small majority of Scots backed a "Scottish Six" news bulletin.

Children's TV 'obsessed with UK and US'

CHILDREN'S television focuses too much on the UK and United States, leaving viewers in the dark about the rest of the world, according to a new report.

The International Broadcasting Trust commissioned a study of how children's news and factual programmes have portrayed world affairs in the past year.

It found that nearly half of the international children's programmes on British terrestrial TV came from North America.

Over a two-week period monitoring 19 digital channels, 79 per cent of international children's programming was from the US, with only 7 per cent representing the developing world. The report, carried out by the University of East Anglia, praised BBC's Blue Peter for its coverage of developing countries.



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  • Last Updated: 11 June 2008 11:38 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Conan the Librarian™,

12/06/2008 00:11:03
News just in-Ursine excrement found in Epping forest.
2

Good Answer,

Glasgow 12/06/2008 00:27:28
I watch STV and refuse to pay my TV licence because of the lack of Scottish broadcasts on the BBC . The channel is a past relic of state owned garbage.
3

CRAGman,

12/06/2008 00:27:31
Why can't we get BBC World on Freeview? I want my news to be more international rather than national. A good local programme for Edinburgh, etc. would be welcome as well.
4

Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 12/06/2008 00:30:36
More breaking news. Man in pointy hat revealed as head of Christain church based somewhere in Italy.
5

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 12/06/2008 00:37:11
Surprise, surprise!

Anybody really think this will change anything at then Beeb?

No me neither.

As for the Scottish six, I seem to recall one of the biggest obstacles was the number of Scottish unionist MP's who campaigned against it behind the scenes!
6

john z,

edinburgh 12/06/2008 00:47:26
Actually the full report can be donwloaded from the BBC news website. It males very interesting reading, detailing share of population, the way in which important Scottish Welsh and N.Ireland stories are missed or poorly covered, and how aspects of devolution get zero coverage in England. A required read for anyone interested in Scottish politics.

The bottom line is however, that this has been a long term problem, with poor Scottish coverage from the London based Media, which supposedly represents the entire UK.
7

Conan the Librarian™,

12/06/2008 01:26:06
"Two Muslim supporters of "violent jihad" discussed setting up a secret Islamic state in a remote part of Scotland, a court heard yesterday.

Away from the prying eyes of the authorities, it would provide a safe haven for those who felt "oppressed", jurors were told."

Now these two people actually thought they could set up an Islamic state in "Remote Scotland"

Wonder where they got THAT idea from...

8

Edward,

12/06/2008 03:16:13
Amazing that the BBC have realised what everyone has been saying for ages
But it was telling that by this evenings BBC News at 10 it was being given the hose down treatment with justifications that England have 85% of the population
No doubt nothing tangiable will be done and we may see a few weeks of lip service but thats about it
Its time the BBC agreed to proceed with the Scottish Six, which as they very well know, works as it has already been trialed with pilots in Scotland. But the leap to transmission was blocked by unionist MP's in London
9

Truely English,

12/06/2008 03:40:06
SCOTTISH PEOPLE ALWAYS THE VICTIMS.

They are just as English as the English in both language and culture. If you do not believe me, just take a train to Inverness or Edinburgh and see for yourself.
10

Boy Wonder,

12/06/2008 05:51:03
BBC news 'too focused on London'

We've said this for years in this very newspaper!

Besides, I can't be the only person totally unconcerned about how the English cricket team are doing, can I??
11

Guga II,

Rockall 12/06/2008 06:25:00
It's not just the EBC's political coverage that is Londoncentric, it is their total coverage. We have been saying this for years, but they never listen. Moreover, if anyone thinks things will change, they won't.

In any event, it is time they scrapped the iniquitous television tax, and forced the EBC to compete on the open market. Not that we will get much support from Westminster for this, as they all claim their television tax, as well as their Sky Television subscriptions, in their dodgy expense claims.

#10 The Scottish people are far from being just the same as the English. We may share the same language, in general, but our whole mindset and culture are quite different. Obviously your experiences are limited to Inverness or Edinburgh trains. Also, for your information, Edinburgh is the largest English city outside of England. Just ask the Hootsmon staff.

12

Guga II,

Rockall 12/06/2008 06:26:45
#11 BW. There are a three people in Scotland concerned about how the English cricket team are doing, and they probably all work at the Hootsmon.

13

Jimmy the Pie,

12/06/2008 06:28:03
When are they going to have a look at our 'quality' press then???

If you want Scottish news read an English paper?????
14

Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

THE REPUBLIC OF SCOTLAND COMING YOUR WAY IN 2010 12/06/2008 07:03:54
THE REPUBLIC OF SCOTLAND COMING YOUR WAY IN 2010 will this mean the end of the BBC? Will it become the EBC or LBC, who cares as long as they stop brodcasting thier propoganda in Scotland!
15

Graeme,

Guangzhou 12/06/2008 07:26:54
Gaga, Once again wee man you continue to publicly flaunt that chip of yours. What an eejit you are. This time your comments could almost be construed as amusing but sadly your unyielding racist comments alongside that of the same like-minded undereducated minority do immeasurable damage to Scotland.
16

Guga II,

Rockall 12/06/2008 07:39:15
#17 Gruamach.

I see you're still around you sad little dwarf. You really do have a little man's chip on your shoulder, don't you? You should fit in well with the Chinese as most of them are probably your height, or likely taller.

As for being a racist, it is you, little man, that is the racist, as you are always making racist and derogatory remarks about Scotland and the Scottish people.

Why are you hiding in China? Are the debt collectors after you?

17

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 07:47:51
The BBC has always been London biased, even the English hate their London political elite bias. Before devolution they could pretend that this bias was necessary as "London was the capital and everything important happened to London". But with devolution this is no longer true, and now the BBC are shown up for the ignorant classist racist elite they have always been.

As for the "digital age" BBC, what they mean by that is sticking a digit up to everyone and telling them to suck their London centric digit!
18

Graeme,

Guangzhou 12/06/2008 07:58:16

Gaga, #18 I was clearly also right on my undereducated point.
19

Joe,

Livingston 12/06/2008 08:00:46
BBC news in Scotland is too biased toward Glasgow..
I no longer watch it (Or STV news) for that reason.
Thank god for Sky..I can watch another region's news
without missing anything important...
20

eric,

12/06/2008 08:05:47
10 yes we can spot them fat folks with flip flops who wouldnt know culture if it hit them on face,Edinburgh and invernes are a tiny part of scotland.
21

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 12/06/2008 08:08:04
What about the BBC Weather map?
Scotland looks about the size of Kent. Kent looks about the size of Africa. Biased? Just ever so slightly.
22

eric,

12/06/2008 08:15:44
Glasgow is where its all happening ALL year around bad and good news not just 6 weeks of the year, its a very big place with Greater Glasgow area 2mill pop,in or out union thats not going to change.
23

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 08:20:09
#29, Neil ... what does it matter if England gets a detailed forecast and Scotland none?

Afterall, the world would collapse if the English found it had rained and they didn't have their brolley, but no one gives a damn if Scots are killed because they didn't get a decent forecast.

And of course, a country the size of England with no landscape needs a detailed forecast, but Scotland, with its mountains that affect the weather from one side to the other from valley to highlands.

The BBC digital age: .|.
24

Iain's,

Barcelona 12/06/2008 08:22:13
Watch Al Jazeera English language service instead.
Or France 24 hours in English.

They treat Londan as just another place.
25

Iain's,

12/06/2008 08:22:39
Woops London!
26

Mikey,

12/06/2008 08:24:04
I see the unionists / onanists (I can never decide which they are) are on again displaying their anti Scottish racist bile.

#10, the main difference between Scotland and England, I suppose, is that most people in Scotland can spell.

#17, tries to flaunt his racist bile from that bastion of democracy, China. Sad little person.

Only a complete moron, or a unionist / onanist, could think that the BBC News is not Londoncentric.
27

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 08:25:20
Yes digital age .|.. which is morse code for "L" as in who the "L" cares at the BBC!
28

Guga II,

Rockall 12/06/2008 08:39:19
#31. Guess that makes you an imperialist.
29

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 08:40:13
sm753, I would guess I'm a unionist at heart but I'm sick to death with the English bias of the BBC which is doing more than anything else to break up the Union.

Only an idiot would try to defend the position where out of 138 news items on health and education every single one was on England, and I'd guess 80% of those biased toward London.

The BBC is a failing organisation e.g. I've stopped a lifetime habit of listening to radio 4 ... and instead I'm here debating with real people about real issues in a the real non-London centric digital media.
30

Graeme,

Guangzhou 12/06/2008 08:41:00
Mikey, #28.

Read my post again. You are obviously one of Gaga’s minorities.

For the record. I’m 100% Scottish and not in any way racist. Just intolerant towards others who are. Mindless idiots.


31

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 12/06/2008 08:43:12
No 29 sm753:- Oh the world is a sphere is it? You patronising twonk!
So the BBC cant work out how to flatten it out so the real size of the countries is displayed. Or if they have to show it as if its viewed from a sattelite then why not centre it above Scotland and make England look like a pimple on Scotland's ar5e.
And by the way, who said I was a Nat?
32

Calum Crubag,

12/06/2008 08:47:16
Even Unionists should accept that under the Union, Scotland has it's own education, legal system, banks and churches. Under devolution, we have even more control.

This IS NOT covered by BBC 'national' news or by Sky.

Why should we pay for news that pertains to England only?
33

Calum Crubag,

12/06/2008 08:49:37
If the Unionists are suggesting that our level of 'independence' regarding education and law etc should all be given to London then go for it. Put it to the polls.

And watch us vote for full indpendence.
34

scottish person,

paisley 12/06/2008 08:55:20
If, as the BBC say,85% of the poulation are english, then I would be happy to keep things as they are and pay the remaining 15% of the licence. It is so english it makes me cringe.However nothing will change.
35

Stephen B,

I'm english so obviously think differently but can 12/06/2008 09:00:44
Is an interest in Cricket now prima facie evidence of indulging in un-Scottish activities? Perhaps a committee can be set up to root these people out and expose them - they're obviously traitors to Scotland and have no place in our new tolerant society.
36

DAVID,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 09:10:18
So many McGlashan types posting here today. So many chips on shoulders.

Scottish news is rubbish. Reporting Scotland already struggles to provide worthy features, so more of the same or the "Scottish perspective" on international stories fills me with dread. I'd rather have the BBC from London thanks very much, not an introverted Scottish news.

And think of all the extra cost involved too.

37

Mike S,

12/06/2008 09:26:57
How many British people would pass the citizenship test,as they know very little about the UK except perhaps their own area? Many English people have a slanted view of Scotland due to lack of UKwide coverage of the issues.
In addition the lack of enthusiasm for the European parliament and its elections may have something to do with the lack of BBC coverage of European news and the political scene in Europe.
38

Melly,

Sussex 12/06/2008 09:29:14
"Professor King found many people in London and the south of England appeared unaware of the scale of changes taking place elsewhere in the UK." Jeez!! Did they need to have a study by the BBC to find this out? To the population down here Scotland could just as well be a foreign country. No wonder they are ignorant of what is happening in Scotland, Wales and N Ireland.
39

stmonan,

London 12/06/2008 09:39:14
You can see the point with political stuff. You've got stories of massive interest to 90% of the audience and none whatsoever to the remaining 10% because of devolution. Obviously some editorial discretion is needed. It's not as if inflincting Cathy Jamieson on the English is really fair, either.

But look at the other stuff. If the current murder cases under investigation in Glasgow had occurred in London we'd have blanket coverage, regular outside broadcasts and the like and the victims would be household names. I can't help suspect if you substituted Queens Park for Clapham Common or Hampstead Heath you'd have a completely different level of coverage.

Look at the contempt with which Newsnight consistently mismanages the switchover to the Scottish section - finishing slots on time is a basic journalistic skill, it's handled so badly to make the protest every day that it's considered unnecessary.
40

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 12/06/2008 09:42:54
GUGA ii

"The Scottish people are far from being just the same as the English. We may share the same language, in general, but our whole mindset and culture are quite different."

1.Would you care to try and define "The Scottish People"
2. Would you care to try and define 'The English'?
3. Would you please explain how the 'mindset and culture' are completely different?




41

Banjo Face,

The West 12/06/2008 09:43:09
This debate in a newspaper which presents the following as 'Scottish news':

"WORK on a £2.2 million package of improvements upgrading the key Sheriffhall roundabout in advance of the Dalkeith by-pass will start this month. The project is expected to last about 12 weeks.
The roundabout, currently used by 70,000 vehicles daily, is a vital point in the network linking the A7, A68 and the A720 Edinburgh city bypass".

The irony...

Personally I'd rather hear about the cricket.
42

Alan B,

12/06/2008 09:43:31
#40 DAVID

You maybe happy with current news output but many are not. You claim people have a chip on their shoulder simply becuase they are agreeing with this report that the BBC does not give good coverage of scottish issues within UK news.

As the report showed "138 news items on health and education every single one was on England". How can that be seen as good. As a welsh politician was saying yesterday the only welsh story to make UK news was some irrelevence about an animal yet the election was totally ignored.

I personally would be interested to have found out abit about what was going on in Wales. More interesting that the dumbed down output we currently get from the beeb. (channel 4 is the only news to do any depth).

There are basically 2 choices.
1)have uk news that actually reflects the events all round the UK.
2)allow the nations to pict and choose from the news events and have editorial control over what is produced.

Personally i would go for No2. Lets face it No1 is not going to happen.

I for one am sick of listening to the news only to find out it inaccurate as it reports english issues as uk ones or just puts an appended this issue is for england type of thing, where no NI, Welsh or scottish issues get the same coverage.

If england want to continue with their parochial news that really is up to them but it is the ignorance generated by having this parochial news that is aiding the break up of the union.
43

Alan B,

12/06/2008 09:48:40
#Banjo Face

That is just being silly.

Would u rather hear about cross rail than say EARL, Borders link and the tram scheme.

Would u rather hear about the english health service issues rather than scottish ones.

Ditto for education.

Would u rather hear about the london murders and shootings rather than scottish ones.

Would u rather hear about floods in the south rather than those in the north.
44

Melly,

Sussex 12/06/2008 09:50:33
#29 sm753 It`s bot #23 who`s the dolt it`s you. If you live anywhere in the UK you want to see what the weather is likely to be above your head.If I lived in Perth or Inverness I wouldn`t want to see some angular display of clouds or rain or sunshine from the English border. Computer technology has the ability to scan over the whole UK from right above each area. You wouldn`t believe how small people down here think Scotland is becasue of the BBC weather map, it`s quite incredible.
45

Alan B,

12/06/2008 09:51:17
You only have to compare the news coverage given to the fox hunting ban, smoking ban and the poll tax to see that when the issue effects england it is uk news and when the issue effects the rest of us is it not an issue worth reporting.
46

livilion,

livingston 12/06/2008 10:00:29
The BBC tv view of the world reflects quite accurately the Londoncentric view that our government in Westminster has of its own UK fiefdom.

Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland are 'and finally' novelty issues tagged on at the end for amusement value.
To your average tv exec in the big smoke, the Scots are probably either having some kind of medical emergency after too many deep fried Mars bars, behaving like extras out of Train Spotting, or kilted excentrics in bushy red beards chasing haggis over the ben.

Face it, what do any of us know about what's going on in the Welsh valleys?

And why oh why do they have to send a London based reporter up here just to repeat Scottish reports, surely they've gotten used to Scottish accents by this time?
47

Nell,

12/06/2008 10:19:49
No. 49 Melly:- Thank you. The BBC weather map portrays Scotland as about the same size as Wales. In reality Scotland is nearly four times the size of Wales. As you say with computer technology they could give the view from above.
48

Alan B,

12/06/2008 10:21:09
#livilion

"surely they've gotten used to Scottish accents by this time"

Thought it was funny why ITV had an english commentary for the Rangers games in europe rather than using the scottish commentary team that STV was using.

You also have to ask why the euro championships have just adopted the english commentary teams and not to have their scottish counterparts. Not say either commentary teams are great and it is subjective who different people like. But it is irritating listening the the english commentary teams telling u how much better england would have been than teams that actually qualified.

49

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 10:24:23
WHERE ARE THE SCOTS NATS OF LENZIE.

The sole scottish nationalist on the Lenzie Village website seems to have gone on holiday. Whilst Lenzie is hardly an SNP hotbed, is there no one that is willing to make the case for independance of Scotland?

http://www.lenzie.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=344
50

Deekie fae Midstocket,

Aberdeen 12/06/2008 10:39:38
As long as we have arrogant London numpties deciding that news about England is all we need, we will never cure the widespread ignorance of the Scots regarding their own nation's education, legal and health systems. This comes into its own at Westminster election time, when media coverage centres on England-only issues. If we are stupid enough to accept this, we deserve the third-class service we get.
51

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 11:02:58
55 Deekie
Are you saying that BBC news and current affairs are dominated by "arrogant London numpties?" If so you must be including Andrew Marr, Andrew Neil, James Naughtie (all Scottish) and John Humphreys (Welsh) in this category.

53 Alan B
Do the BBC not make regular use of Alan Hansen (Scotland international), Mark Laurenson (Rep. of Ireland international) and Martin O'Neill (Northern Ireland international in their coverage of Euro 2008? Others such as Gordon Strachan and Ally McCoist have also contributed in the past.
52

Jambo Number 1,

12/06/2008 11:14:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdChs1CSs2E

It's not just the BBC that is turning more Scots in favour of rightful independence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTvJYqeYE7U

53

maximum,

Edinburgh 12/06/2008 11:30:01
The BBC doesn't have very much scottish news or commentary because very little of interest happens in Scotland.
54

Capital Boy,

12/06/2008 11:39:48
good god imagine having our own news service, it would be full of sychophantic old firm rubbish ..... no thanks unless we shift the news base to edinburgh
55

Lianachan,

Highlands 12/06/2008 11:55:42
It is indeed not just the nes, but the BBC overall that show this London and English bias.

Take, for example, the commentary and coverage of Euro 2008. Can't we have Scottish commentary? All the English ones are interested in is hero worship of Cristiano Ronaldo and making sure we're fully aware of any links (however tenuous) to England that any players may have. I'm surely not the only person up here who couldn't care less about who's moving to Tottenham in the summer and would rather here about the damn match.
56

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 12:00:12
What I can't understand is why health and education aren't dealt with in the "regional" round-up rather than the main news.

The presumption should be that items are only dealt with on the main news if they have a significance to EVERYONE in the UK rather than just to England.

English news, should be dealt with in the English section of the news when we see the Scottish news. As health and Education are English (sorry welsh but the BBC don't tell me what bits are welsh!!) then health and education would need to justify their inclusion in the UK news.

And of course, as soon as the English find out that much less of the main news will be available to go over their parochial affairs, they'll suddenly decide that regional news needs much much much more airtime.

Perhaps the News needs to be split:-

20% UK News
20% National/devolved news
20% Regional news (strathclyde/Highlands/SW England)
20% local news (new digital age - Orkney, Sterlin, Oxford)
20% international news

And everything else for the self agrandiosement of the EU.
57

pwd,

Borders 12/06/2008 12:02:40
The bias of BBC news towards London and the South of England at the expense of all other parts of the UK cannot be denied and it would be better to sort it out. This is not a nationalist issue and a move to Scottish Six would not be an answer; just think, a swap from Londoncentrism to Glasgowcentrism with all those dreadful exaggerated Glasgow accents, a continuation of the awful Jackie Bird (et al) double acts, worthless parochial stories about fast moving tortoises in Aberdeen, etc - Scotland needs more of this? No!

As mentioned above what we need is something along the lines of BBC World. This might be followed by a much improved half hour of regional news. A Scottish or Welsh perspective on events in, eg, Darfur is simply laughable.

PS: The fortunes of the English cricket team, of the Welsh rugby team, of the Northern Irish soccer team or of Scottish tennis players are of UK wide interest and have all been covered on BBC national news.
58

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 12:13:57
pwd. I have repeatedly watched news items, thinking "That will be interested when that starts happening" only to realise half way through that they have nothing at all to do with me.

It is worse than getting kicked in the teeth, because at least someone who kicks you in the teeth recognises you exist, but the BBC don't seem to recognise that health, education, energy only relate in England.

The problem is far worse than most people think. The English don't see the problem because they never see the news from a Scottish point of view, and MOST Scots have grown to ignore it (or only tune in to Scottish meida)and really don't get annoyed unless it is grossly insulting.

What really needs to happen, is not having a separate Scottish news, but having a separate English news. Most Scots know what is or is not Scottish news, but most English (including most of the BBC) haven't a clue and so the BBC needs to focus more attention on clearly identifying what is English and clearly separating this from UK news.
59

Yeah1,

12/06/2008 12:28:16
#60 Lianachan:

"Can't we have Scottish commentary? All the English ones are interested in is hero worship of Cristiano Ronaldo and making sure we're fully aware of any links (however tenuous) to England that any players may have. I'm surely not the only person up here who couldn't care less about who's moving to Tottenham in the summer and would rather here about the damn match."

Why would the Scottish commentators be any different? They would just go on about any players that play in the SPL and players who might be moving to Rangers/Celtic - they would be just as bad as the English commentators.
60

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 12:33:15
Yeah ... lets man football altogether!
61

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 12:33:40
ban football ...
62

Yeah1,

12/06/2008 12:35:39
I agree that the BBC news coverage is Londoncentric, but I don't think making a 'Scottish six' would be the answer.

As other posters have pointed out this would simply replace 'Londoncentric' news stories with 'Glasgowcentric' ones.

Personally I would like to expand my knowledge of Britain, Europe and the World - I'm not interested in news programs that are purely based around London or Scotland, I would like to see a news program that focuses on interesting stories from around the world.

I think its sad that a lot of people on here seem to be suggesting that we should have an insular, 'Scottish only' news program, like the Americans have, with no items on anything happening outside of Scotland, or more likely, Glasgow.
63

Alan B,

12/06/2008 12:36:10
#pwd

Have to disagree with much what u say.

"This is not a nationalist issue and a move to Scottish Six would not be an answer; just think, a swap from Londoncentrism to Glasgowcentrism with all those dreadful exaggerated Glasgow accents"

That is just scottish cringe at its worst.

"A Scottish or Welsh perspective on events in, eg, Darfur is simply laughable"

It is not about having a scottish perspective of Darfur. We mix international news and uk news together. UK news repoprts english issues and not scottish ones.

The options are:
1)have international news separate and then have separate nation news.
2)have them mixed as currently but ensure a scottish eduation or health story and political debate is just as relevent as an englsih one. (let face it england are just not interested in scotland so it will not happen).
3)allow the separate nations to pick and choose the editorial content of the news. It would not be a scottish perpective just having a scottish news reader reading out the same story. It just has the advantage that rather than having inaccurate and english only stories we would have the more relevant scottish equivilent.

"The fortunes of the English cricket team, of the Welsh rugby team, of the Northern Irish soccer team or of Scottish tennis players are of UK wide interest and have all been covered on BBC national news."

That is simply untrue. I remember 2 incidents in particular. One was when 3 football games took place. FA cup final, scottish cup final and the Kiran Cup. the FA cup final had a long report with highlights, the score only from the much shorter scottish cup final was shown and the scottish international was ignored. So the BBC managed to report for me the reverse order of interest.

that is not to say i am not interest in the fa cup final winner. i am. but not at the expense of a scottish international.

A similar issue happend a week or to later. An english rugby game was shown with highlights on the news
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Mikey,

12/06/2008 12:36:44
31 & 34. A wee man in China complains because I call him a racist. He states that he is 100% Scottish and then argues against Scotland taking its' place in the world! Just because you are Scottish, you think you're not a racist? We'll see what you've got to say after the next election.

Another wee person, makes a 'guess' and guesses wrong yet again! You really don't know what you're talking about! You think the Scots want to 'create a twee little nationally pure state?' You haven't a clue!

It's strange how these imperialists blunder into a conversation, spreading lies and bluster and try to convince themselves they're talking sense!

Some unionists sincerely believe that Scotland is better off as part of the UK. Even against all the evidence they believe this and I'm willing to accept that. But these two, sm753 and Graeme, are just imperialists who know that when the Scottish people get rid of this unjust 'union,' they'll be begging the Scots to gie them a len!

Perhaps I'm being uncharitable. Perhaps the reason they're so against Scotland standing on her own two feet is because they KNOW that the English government will be down the tubes! I doubt they have that foresight, however!
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Alan B,

12/06/2008 12:36:49
cont..

A similar issue happend a week or to later. An english rugby game was shown with highlights on the news but no mention was made of scotland playing another of the tri nations.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 12/06/2008 12:38:38
#65 While I don't agree that would happen, I would nevertheless be slightly more interested in hearing information relating to Scottish football than to English football.
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pwd,

Borders 12/06/2008 12:40:18
I think what you say in your last paragraph could be dealt with under the "much improved half hour of regional news". But, again, yes the 'centrism' bit needs dealt with. Having said that there are incidents which may pertain to one part of the UK on a particular occasion but which have UK wide relevance, for example recently reported poverty in the West Midlands. It's of interest partly because we seem to be much better off up here, although there are other reasons too. Perhaps more importantly, the best of the Scottish character is outward and not inward looking - let's keep it that way - "Human being sum: humani nil a me alienum puto."

Sorry I have to go now, to visit an old friend in
hospital.

PS: I had to insert human being in the quotaion in place of a four letter Latin word meaning human being because the censor says that the four letter word is unsutable. What kind of world are out thought police creating?
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Alan B,

12/06/2008 12:41:53
#Yeah1

"Why would the Scottish commentators be any different? "

Firstly it would be more relevant to scotland.

Secondly why not just have a mixture of scotland and english commentators. And by that i mean those that commentate and comment in scotland and scottish football.

I would also like the pundits to be ex european players that played for the countries playing.

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pwd,

Hawick 12/06/2008 12:42:26
* 63 Isonomia
I think what you say in your last paragraph could be dealt with under the "much improved half hour of regional news". But, again, yes the 'centrism' bit needs dealt with. Having said that there are incidents which may pertain to one part of the UK on a particular occasion but which have UK wide relevance, for example recently reported poverty in the West Midlands. It's of interest partly because we seem to be much better off up here, although there are other reasons too. Perhaps more importantly, the best of the Scottish character is outward and not inward looking - let's keep it that way - "Human being sum: humani nil a me alienum puto."

Sorry I have to go now, to visit an old friend in
hospital.

PS: I had to insert human being in the quotaion in place of a four letter Latin word meaning human being because the censor says that the four letter word is unsutable. What kind of world are out thought police creating?
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Calum Crubag,

12/06/2008 12:46:27
Why should a Scottish-based news program be 'insular'? Gaelic program Eorpa was praised for being all that London BBC isn't - outward looking but with a Scottish angle. It seems as if it's the English, or London BBC, that is navel-gazing.

An example, hardly a week goes by with out a murder in Glasgow/ Strathclyde. When is it covered by the Six News? Virtually never. Yet, we get lots about the various stabbings, murders and shootings in England. It is so blatant it's almost a parody.

Scottish Six now. An a Gaelic news program too - we can do it better!
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Alan B,

12/06/2008 12:47:23
#Yeah1

"As other posters have pointed out this would simply replace 'Londoncentric' news stories with 'Glasgowcentric' ones. "

That is not true. It would replace political stories about english issues with scottish ie health, education etc. Hopefully it would look outwards and not be as parochial as current london news.

"I think its sad that a lot of people on here seem to be suggesting that we should have an insular, 'Scottish only' news program"

Who is actually suggesting that. I like u would rather have an outwardly looking news and find out more about waht is happening in europe etc. That is simply not going to happen with the current system.

A scottish news would just be a news that could pick for the news items the bbc has available. It would demote english only stories and report on the scottish equivelent ie health and education etc where the politics and systems are different.

We would not have to wait until the poll tax hit england before uk news see it as an issue.

Personally the only news worth anyting is channel 4 as it the only one with any depth.
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pwd,

Borders 12/06/2008 12:47:47
* 69 Alan B

Who's cringing now, and with a chip as deep as the Great Glen. Sorry, must go this time or I'll be late.
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Yeah1,

12/06/2008 12:49:15
#75

"Firstly it would be more relevant to scotland."

Scotland aren't in the finals either so why should the commentators need to be 'relevant to Scotland'?

The commentators should just talk about the match and the teams involved, they shouldn't need to refer to players in the EPL/SPL or who might be joining Man Utd/Celtic.

"I would also like the pundits to be ex european players that played for the countries playing."

Yes thats a good idea, personally I would like to see people like Marcel Desailly and other Europeans who actually have teams in the finals more involved in the studio rather than just getting a 30 second pitch-side role.
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Alan B,

12/06/2008 12:53:47
#Ugly George

Have u not been watching the euros?

Listening to an english pundit tell u how poor the standard is with regard to certain teams that are playing and how england would have been so much better even though they did not qualify from a group significantly easier than scotlands.

The problem is most countries will have commentators biased towards their own country. Scotland is in the unusual position of having a commentry from a different country, while we are part of that political arrangement. It is to make u feel like a foreigner in ur own living room.
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Alan B,

12/06/2008 12:54:21
#Ugly George

Have u not been watching the euros?

Listening to an english pundit tell u how poor the standard is with regard to certain teams that are playing and how england would have been so much better even though they did not qualify from a group significantly easier than scotlands.

The problem is most countries will have commentators biased towards their own country. Scotland is in the unusual position of having a commentry from a different country, while we are part of that political arrangement. It is to make u feel like a foreigner in ur own living room.
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Yeah1,

12/06/2008 12:57:24
#77

"Scottish Six now. An a Gaelic news program too - we can do it better!"

I agree with the idea of a Scottish Six as long as it isn't Glasgowcentric and doesn't concentrate purely on Scotland to the exclusion of other important international news.

I don't, however, see the point in a gaelic news program. Why should our licence fee be wasted on making a program for the 1.1% of the Scottish population who actually speak gaelic? Why not make a news program for Polish speakers in Scotland for example - there are far more of them here than those who speak gaelic.

I know its Scottish heritage and all that but whats the point in wasting money on a program that 98.9% of the Scottish population can't even understand??
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JT,

12/06/2008 12:58:09
A couple of years ago, Boscastle got washed away in storms, the same day part of the A9 got washed away in a storm. On the BBC it was saturated coverage (pun intended) but nothing was mentioned about the A9. This happens to everywhere else as well, Wales and N Ireland get just as ignored as Scotland by the news. If you watch the breakfast programme all the items are in southern england. I have the radio on now and for a weather forecast, take a brolly, coat and sun cream and look out the window, its alot more accurate than the weather on tv!
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Alan B,

12/06/2008 12:59:32
#pwd

How is it a chip to want relevent and accurate news?

I outlined 3 different options for news and have told u my favoured option.

Showing how ur statements were inaccurate does not constitute a cringe.
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Alan B,

12/06/2008 13:03:12
#83 Yeah1

"I agree with the idea of a Scottish Six as long as it isn't Glasgowcentric and doesn't concentrate purely on Scotland to the exclusion of other important international news. "

Do not think anyone is arguing for a scottish news that excludes international news.

To a large extend i would rather have a proper international news with alot more depth than we currently get.

Most of the political news i prefer from political programs and have already seen from the web and newspapers.
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Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/06/2008 13:14:25
JT: "On the BBC it was saturated coverage (pun intended) but nothing was mentioned about the A9. This happens to everywhere else as well, Wales and N Ireland get just as ignored as Scotland by the news"

There is a strong and natural bias of journalists toward areas they know well. The best thing that is happening to the BBC is the competition with the internet.

E.g. as I wait for something to happen, amd I:

1. Listening to the BBC parot sitting on its perch and carping over the listeners. Or am I:

2. Here finding out what real people in Scotland actually think, and finding out e.g. how the A9 landslip affected people.

What the BBC has failed to notice is that the digital age heralds the end of the centralist-news-organisation which sees its role as telling other what the news is. More and more the news is being relayed from person to person via the internet.

It is time BBC realised that the digital revolution is not about technology, it is a real revolution where ordinary people have far far more power and far far more choice.

I am no longer prepared to be preached at by a London-centric news media that treats me with contempt and if the BBC doesn't join the digital revolution, then I can't see the BBC being around in 10 years time and the BBC can stick their digit .|..
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Alan B,

12/06/2008 13:21:15
#Yeah1

"The commentators should just talk about the match and the teams involved, they shouldn't need to refer to players in the EPL/SPL or who might be joining Man Utd/Celtic."

Possibly but they don't. Maybe cause they want to fill in the gaps.

"Scotland aren't in the finals either so why should the commentators need to be 'relevant to Scotland'? "

Not saying they should. As i said i would be happy with a fairer mix of scottish commentators rather than a scottish commentry team. I just do not want it to be have such an englis biase.

My main complaints about this euro is the negative way the english pundits have approached this because england are not there.

But is not just this euro tournie, it is nearly every international football tournament. As a rangers supporter i remember a couple of times commentators were less than positive towards larsson. Whether it be when england were playing sweden at a wc. And the commentators going on about how only england had the world class players with a dig that maybe scotland would argue larsson was. (U will not hear that since he went to Barca or Man U). Or i remember remarks in which they said we will see how he gets on against a decent footballer in Ferdinand. Annoying Nevin who also was commentator that day to start going over the top saying larsson was taking the p i s s out of ferdinand.

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westview,

Sunny Scotland. 12/06/2008 13:59:02
It is not just the broadcasts that are Anglo centric. Recent BBC Radio Times item had the English and the Russians fighting the nazis . This in an item about Murmansk. No mention of the Irish, Welsh , Scots etc. Not a slip of the tounge ,just bad editing.
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hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 12/06/2008 14:39:04
In the end it will be just the same 10 minutes of "real" news then 20 minutes of the Celtic and Rangers show. How about a news programme that has only news.Sport is not news.(Unless Andy Murray strangles Gordon Brown!)
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unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 12/06/2008 16:49:10
David #40

I find your post offensive, to say the least. The use of my surname to mean someone with a chip on their shoulder is insulting and ignorant. That surname comes from the North of Scotland and Argyll - so what's your gripe? Have you ever met anyone with that name? Probably not as they are few and far between!
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/06/2008 17:34:12
My, my, my but what a lot of frenzied commentary.

We have BBC Canada here and BBC world and I, too, notice the singular lack of reportage about Scotland or Wales or Ireland unless it is some horrific plane crash such as what occurred at Lockerbie or a disturbing mass murder or sexual scandal.

That is why some of us consult this newspaper, The Herald, and other sources too numerous to mention.

You cannot depend on "the Beeb" for comprehensive coverage of anything north of Durham unless it is a religious furore or something sensationalistic.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/06/2008 18:29:23
Methalions

I am currently NOT watching the CBC or CBC Newsworld because it is wall to wall coverage of what happened yesterday in our House of Commons with regard to the"apology" to our First Nations people and commentators commenting on other commentators.

Very boring but I suppose its fills in those broadcast times.

I don't know whether you live in Saskatchewan or have an affection for "TVAnts". What IS that?

Saskatchewan is one of more glorious provinces where there are VAST fields of wheat, grain for canola oil, mustard seed fields that stretch as far as you can see, and alsot potash, etc., etc.

We in Canada are truly blessed with all these natural resources and the vastness of our provinces is the envy of those countries in the world that are running out of theirs- such as the US of A, Mexico, and dear little England.
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Lastsocialist,

Europe 12/06/2008 19:57:46
BBC is a terrible organization that feeds the smugness and mediocrity of the Capitalist South-East of England. It is, and will always be, a tool of the government to manipulate public opinion, defend the monarchy and English nationalism. Let's be done with them.
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Enigma,

12/06/2008 20:19:06
33

Could this bias toward English legislation which you perceive just be because Scots legislation is decided in Scotland, population 5m and welsh legilslation Wales, population 2m. In England which makes up 85% of the population, all our legislation is debated in the UK Parliament by UK Mps. You have your own Parliament and your own broadcast media, a state we can only dream of. Do you really imagine that the 50m people who live in England are any more concerned with Scots news than vice versa? Of course a UK wide media organisation will focus on the majority, especially when their elected representatives have little or no voice in Scottish legislation.
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Enigma,

12/06/2008 20:31:38
96

The BBC defending `English nationalism`, now that would be a turn up!
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Terrier2,

12/06/2008 21:43:49
The BBC doesn't represent the views of the majority of Britain, nevermind those in Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland, or England. It simply represents a sad liberal, left, Euronationist minority. They then have the gall to levy a tax against us to pay their salaries.

Yes, the BBC is too focussed on Westminster. Why not cover where 80% of our laws are actually made?, and where soon virtually all our laws will be made. How about covering the Brussels mafia, and the sham of a parliament in Strasbourg?

Why not? Because they are too afraid of what the public might see.

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Diggins,

12/06/2008 22:23:46
#10 Truely English

I stopped off in Dornoch en route to the North Pole.

I half expected to be told "sorray, we dont take Scottish monnet ear" or "Is it real?".

Yes, Truely English.
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Incandescent with Rage!!!,

03/09/2008 10:13:36
The EBC should be pay per view, if that were the case I'm sure they would economise at the soonest possible time. In the 21st century it is a criminal act to force people to pay for a poor quality out dated service which they may not even intend to watch!

On top of that Joe public does not even have a right to decide the direction this group is taking. Only the elite have that right, the people of ‘Britain’, that area of land in the south east of England.

And Mr. Salmond when do you intend to right this wrong for the people of Scotland?

 

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