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Anger as ban on snares is ruled out

Minister says they are still necessary but promises tougher rules

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Published Date: 21 February 2008
ANIMAL welfare campaigners hit out angrily last night after the Scottish Government refused to ban snares.
Mike Russell, the environment minister, told MSPs ministers had decided to introduce tougher regulations on the use of snares but did not want to ban them outright.

He said: "I have come to the conclusion that snaring is still necessary in some ci
rcumstances. However, it is also clear to me that we can and must do better in terms of eliminating bad practice, for I believe it is bad practice – and sometimes criminally bad practice – which is responsible for some of the dreadful cases brought forward by animal rights organisations."

John Robins, of Animal Concern, said: "Getting politicians of whatever hue to do anything positive for animals is an impossible task, when MSPs are more interested in maintaining their vote than upsetting rural voters."

The Green MSP Robin Harper said the failure to ban snares would be met with "grave disappointment" by all those concerned for animal rights. "Snares are always indiscriminate in their operations, and anything other than a total ban is the wrong approach for Scotland's wildlife," he said.

Labour's Sarah Boyack said ministers had not listened to the "overwhelming majority" of people who had called for a complete ban.

Announcing the Scottish Government's position, Mr Russell said: "The public are rightly concerned about what happens to the wildlife that is part of all our heritage. They need to be absolutely confident that where snaring is necessary, there is no room for any doubt about what is allowed, that the practice is undertaken by competent and responsible individuals, that we have outlawed any practices which do not match up to welfare standards – and that we are vigorously enforcing that law."

He claimed the proposed measures would make a "fundamental" change to the practice of snaring in Scotland. "The package that we intend to bring forward will, I believe, make a significant difference in terms of animal welfare," he said.

Mr Russell told MSPs that, while there had been a campaign for snaring to be banned, others had argued it was a "regrettable but essential tool" in controlling predators such as foxes. He said those in favour of snaring claimed it was essential to maintain the land used for grouse and pheasant shoots, and pointed out shooting was worth an estimated £240 million a year to the Scottish economy.

He said farmers often had to rely on "efficient predator control" to protect the likes of lambs, while farmers and crofters might also have to protect crops from rabbits.

CONTROLS
MEASURES to be introduced include a requirement for safety stops to prevent the noose closing too far and harming animals.

Snares will also need ID tags, so the authorities – but not the public – can identify their owner.

Setting a snare where it could cause unnecessary suffering will be banned.

And areas where snares are set will have to be clearly marked.






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  • Last Updated: 20 February 2008 10:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 21/02/2008 02:07:01
SNARES ARE BANNED IM CANADA IT IS A VERY CRUEL DEATH
2

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 21/02/2008 02:18:39
Anger as ban on snares is ruled out
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To trap and let die any animal using a snare is barbaric towards the creature . 99% of the time they slowly choke to death as they try to pull free. The other 1% they get eaten alive by a natural predator..

Clearly this ban makes the majority in the Scottish Government a gang of animal sadists.

Ah but things are a changing

To the rescue gallops Knight Alex Salmond on his white Horse. No its not the US Cavalry this time. They are in IRAQ.

GC
3

Scozzy,

21/02/2008 04:20:50
Isn't it funny how the proponents of snares just happen to be from the same profession (sic) that is generally held to be reponsible for the illegal killing of sea eagles and other raptors.
4

nabodican,

Portree 21/02/2008 06:19:19
#3 - I did not realise that the wind turbine industry were proponents of snares !!!

Personally I will set as many snares as it takes in order to protect our hens from being ripped to pieces by foxes.
5

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/02/2008 06:24:30
4 - and any snares I come across I'll dismantle.
6

yockel,

21/02/2008 07:03:59
The snares the Animal Protection campaigners use to illustrate their argument are illegal anyway so what difference will another rule make?
Snares, not even the legal ones are pretty barbaric but lets stop pretending "humane" means warm soft and cuddly.
Seen any "humane killing" in an abattoir recently?
Life isn't all sunsets and roses.
7

yockel,

21/02/2008 07:41:05
Flock of Porkers, now that would shure beat clays for entertainment.
8

Conan the Librarian™,

21/02/2008 08:08:36
10
Boaring, surely?
9

sam the god,

21/02/2008 08:17:12
#4 pilrig

just remember that if you touch the snares you are committing an offence and your posts in the future could be coming from prison. The owner of the snares could also sue you for the damage that subsequently be caused by the quarry species
10

The Corbetteer,

Borders 21/02/2008 08:47:29
It all comes down to money, and the grouse moors are big business, that is why the powers that be turn a blind eye to likes of poisoning our birds of prey, and the snaring of foxes stoats weasels and about everything else that lives is no better. I often walk the hills and one thing that is very noticeable, when in grouse moor countryside, there is no wildlife, just grouse.

Maybe it is time to license shooting estates, and a condition of a license is to have a diversity of wildlife, ie no birds of prey, no foxes etc, then no license.
11

Xena - Warrior Princess,

21/02/2008 08:49:15
Mike Russell won't be forgotten for this (what a footnote in history) - this decision sucks.
12

Upbeat,

21/02/2008 10:00:32
Sense has p[revailed...thank goodness.

Would the logical action of Green and wild life charities following any ban on snares not have been calling for the discontinuing of trawling as a method of catching fish, the ban on lobster crayfish and crab pots, the end of the use of selective pesticides in agriculture , and the arrest of anybody who ran over a wild animal on a public road ?
13

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/02/2008 10:06:34
Ha! Ha! Ha!

The whingers have been put in their place. Common sense has prevailed.

All of those posting here who think that this was the wrong decision, how do you fancy hosting a few of the target (vermin) animals in your own homes for a few weeks?

Why not take in a family of wild rabbits? You'd soon find out that they are not "nice cute bunnies".

Or how about a family of foxes? You'd quite soon realise that they bear no resemblance at all to Basil Brush.

Or how about encouraging wild pigeons to nest in the corner of your living room? You'd soon get tired of scratching itches because of the little mites that live on them and you'd get fed up with having various kinds of stomach bugs as well.

And while you're at it, take in a few chickens as well and try to keep the blighters apart from the foxes.

As Yockel correctly points out, life is not all pink and fluffy. Because of the mind-numbingly stupid ban on hunting, the use of snares has increased because the options on vermin control have been reduced.

Lift the hunting ban and your will see less snares in use.
14

sam the god,

21/02/2008 10:41:39
#17

well said these hand wringing lefties that wanted snaring banned do not have a clue about the countryside they are given a warped view from the likes of bill the oddieone. If they want to ban snares they should give us a an other option that is as effective in the control of vermin. These hand wringers should sort out the problems with the towns and cities before turning to other ventures.
15

Chris,

Edinburgh 21/02/2008 10:51:28
#11, sam the god: Interesting, would you please identify the legislation to which you refer.
16

dido-bendigo,

Argyll 21/02/2008 10:53:58
The intellectually flawed comments copiously shovelled forward by the people who disagree with this decision are obviously based on rank ignorance of the issues involved. If it was left to them lambs would only be raised for fox fodder. The currently productive open heather moors would degenerate into impassable unproductive scrub, under a canopy of wind turbines. Most currently regulated game species and domestic food animals would be approaching extinction in Britain and we wouldn't be able to buy a pair of wool socks for fear of being arrested. Well done MSP's! You have proved common sense can overcome bigotry and ignorance. Provide education and training and the land will continue to be managed properly.
17

GP,

21/02/2008 11:27:52
14# then maybe again it is not time to licence.
Maybe it is time to legitimise the control of such species instead of criminalising workers securing their role and improting millions of pounds to our economy. Perhaps it would be better to ban grouse shooting and wildlife sports and at the same time remove all payments to those who do not make a positive (in cash terms) to society.
Ie. tit for tat, stop wildlife sporting estates and remove all unemployment benefits, all incapacity benefits indeed remove all benefits from those who do not work.
Since the economy would be very adversely affected perhaps even the OAP would have to go.
Excellent idea 14#
18

sam the god,

21/02/2008 12:00:24
#19 chris


The use of snares in Britain is regulated under the wildlife and countryside act 1981 this gives the person (with the owners permission) that is doing the snaring a legal right anyone that damages or destroys the snares can be charged with criminal damage to property which can result in a prison term and being sued for subsequent damages.
19

Les Ward,

21/02/2008 12:43:52
I am utterly disgusted by the announcement, that the SNP made yesterday on snaring. Snares are cruel and indiscriminate. There is simply no way whatsoever that snares can be used humanely, be properly regulated or monitored in the countryside. The SNP has ignored the recent Consultation and public opinion on this matter, both of which were in the majority for a complete ban.

It is simply ridiculous to even attempt to try and regulate cruelty. Whether it be inflicted on animals or humans, cruelty in any form has no place whatsoever in a modern and civilised Scotland and should be abolished.

The case for a total ban on snaring both on moral and on grounds of animal welfare is overwhelming. The reason the SNP has ignored all the evidence and the strength of the case for a ban is the fact that once again, certain politicians and the ruling governing party have based their decision instead on what suits them for their own political ends. By doing so, the SNP has failed Scotland and brought shame on the country and its people. Other countries where snaring is banned, will find it incredible that Scotland allows cruelty to animals.
20

Resolutions,

21/02/2008 13:04:22
I do not like snares either - but something needs to be done to protect livestock of all kinds from predators. Until there is a good look at all aspects of this, these obnoxious devices must remain unfortunately.

Those countries where the use is banned - what do they use to control 'vermin'? I am sorry but there must be something.
21

sam the god,

21/02/2008 13:12:59
#23

what about the methods of religious slaughter (kosher and halal) used in Scotland surely this is animal cruelty (throats slit while totally conscious) I do not hear about mass protests from the likes of you or are you and your ilk selective in what you refer to as animal cruelty
22

sam the god,

21/02/2008 13:14:03
#24

Those countries where the use is banned - what do they use to control 'vermin'? I am sorry but there must be something.

Yes it is called hunting with hounds/dogs
23

paul the binman,

21/02/2008 13:47:51
Gedd orff my land,yous townies dont understand uzz country bumpkins.I bben killin animals for years,its part of muy culture,well done the friends of the Scottish land owners,the moneys in the post to SNP headquaters.
24

Allan(handofgod137),

21/02/2008 14:26:49
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

LMAO at the butthurtz of the whining leftists.
25

ignorant townie?,

Scotland 21/02/2008 15:34:59
While all of those out there who are gloating over the fact that a full ban has not been brought in, remember this..

What has come in is a banning of drag snares, a banning of snaring on fence lines [a very high proportion of snaring at present, carried out by so-called professionals and in direct contravention of BASC guidelines]and the individual marking of each snare.

A clear defeat for the shooting industry as these recommendations were all fought against.

However, the lack of proper enforcement of countryside laws in Scotland remains a scandal, so who will check these snares? - perhaps the forthcoming thematic review of wildlife crime investigation will solve that?....but hang on a minute, its been prepared for Mike Russell, who has just shown us that its the shooting economy [not the conservation, hill walking, B and B countryside visitor economy which is several times larger as we all learned in 2001] thats in charge here.....

No change there then...
26

The Corbetteer,

Borders 21/02/2008 17:34:40
#20 "The currently productive open heather moors would degenerate into impassable unproductive scrub,"

No, it would rejuvenate into natural Caladonian forest, this natural habitat would soon become home to a wide variety of flora and fauna. As a result wildlife tourism would soon flourish bringing far greater benefits to local economies than what is currently brought in by a sick few who like playing with guns.
27

ignorant townie?,

Scotland 21/02/2008 18:22:38
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2008/02/20125138

re #29 check out the above webpage.
28

sam the god,

21/02/2008 19:02:20
#31

As the government is bringing in these changes I trust that they will compensate me for my existing snare (full market value)and the cost of buying new gear also the government seem to want to teach me how to use snares properly (40 years experience) so they should pay all my expenses in going on these courses
29

Terrier2,

21/02/2008 19:16:53
#24

Those countries where the use is banned - what do they use to control 'vermin'? I am sorry but there must be something.

Yes it is called hunting with hounds/dogs

26 - Agreed - and if hunting with dogs is banned then the only other option is gassing or poisoning.
30

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 21/02/2008 20:31:57
Ahem, having witnessed the utter carnage caused by a fox in a hen house, I'd suggest that those opposed to the use of snares come up with an alternative means of deterring old renard, perhaps armed rats on weasels backs?

Mayhaps, you'd rather do away with free range eggs.
31

Conan,

Chile 21/02/2008 20:43:49
Come back with me 50 yeary to the rural Lothians - and my snares. Yes, I was a country lad and a dab hand with an air rifle and a snare.

I suppose i must have killed at least five hundred rabbit and hares over a period os about fifteen years in the hedgerows and woods to the south and east of Dalkieth. I started when I was about five - being shown the ways of the coutryside by my Dad and his lifelong freind who was a farmer/farm manager.

Those of you who are from there and spent any time in the country side will know that back in the 50s/60s the area was well night overrun with rabbits.

When rabbits were caught in a snare thay typically dies quickly, but not always. It is true that sometimes they did linger on in the snare for a while - but not for long - maybe an hour or two at most. Typically, their own struggles would either immediately kill them, or eventually kill them. It was very rare to find a live rabbit in a snare - but it did happen.

Then it was off to the kitchen. The only ones not eaten were those with obvious disease or afflicted by that meximotosis (hope I spelled that right) - that was the rest of society's answer to killing-off the 'surplus' rabbits. It left the rabbits unable to bend for themselves, seemingly blind and in a stupour, with bulging eye and an inability to eat or drink - when found in this condition such rabbits would be immediately shot dead with the air rifle.

I don't for one monent apologise for what I did back then. It was the way of the country. City dwellers and other inbred lefties could and would never understand it - but, since they now hold most of the cards they are making the rules.

The snare is a fair and sporting way of killing-off rabbits - when there is a need to do so.

There are some inappropriate uses of snares - like where catch cats or dogs might happen, but when used correctly - in the context of countryside management, they are a very humane tool.

Of course, one could argue that 'man' has n
32

Biker,

Ayr 22/02/2008 12:43:10
An absolute disgrace that snares are not banned outright. This ammounts to no more than legal torture and killing of wildlife despite what the county folks among us think. We castigate landowners for killing birds of prey but allow the snaring of foxes and other wildlife. So now we micro-legislate to suit our needs. I, like the poster above will destroy snares where I find them. Hens and domestic pets can be protected from foxes very easily, all it requires is good fences and husbandry of the animals, but I suppose its cheaper and "The Country Way" to snare . God help anyone who tries to impinge on "The Country Way"
Mike Russel you should resign.
33

Embaba,

all over the place 22/02/2008 16:01:39
With the increase in conditions relating to the use of snares.Let the hunt begin and highlight the amount of illegal use. Report misuse to the police or SSPCA.

 

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