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Alexander delivers stinging attack on SNP's 'favoured friends' policy



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Published Date: 23 April 2008
WENDY Alexander yesterday launched her fiercest assault to date on the Scottish Government, accusing Alex Salmond of granting privileged access to his rich and powerful friends.
Speaking to the Scottish Trades Union Congress conference in Inverness, the Scottish Labour leader claimed the First Minister was running a "special access" administration.

She said Mr Salmond's government was open – to the Trump organisation, Mac
donald Hotels or ScottishPower – but not to the unions or ordinary voters.

In her first speech to the trade unions as Scottish Labour leader, Ms Alexander told delegates: "In Alex Salmond's Scotland, some are indeed more equal than others – the Trump organisation, Macdonald Hotels at Aviemore, ScottishPower, all big businesses with a special pass to the corridors of SNP power.

"We don't need a special access government in Scotland that favours its friends. Scotland needs a government that governs for all and gives access to all."

Mr Salmond's relationship with the Trump organisation has been under scrutiny since Donald Trump announced plans to build a £1 billion golf development in the First Minister's constituency.

Mr Salmond was questioned by a Holyrood committee after ministers decided to "call in" the development, which is now subject to a public local inquiry.

Donald Macdonald, the head of Macdonald Hotels, is an SNP donor and ministers also caused controversy when they intervened to speed up the planning process for an extension to Mr Macdonald's resort in Aviemore.

It also emerged earlier this month that Scottish Government officials had been liaising with a lobbyist on behalf of ScottishPower over the timing of a First Ministerial announcement on behalf of the utility.

Ms Alexander contrasted this with the Scottish Government's decision to award a new franchise to ScotRail without consultation – a move which has angered the unions.

Anne McNair, convener of the SNP trade union group, described Ms Alexander's comments as an "embarrassing gaffe".

Ms McNair said: "Wendy Alexander's baseless accusations have long since been disproved by the hundreds of parliamentary questions and freedom of information requests that have been released by the Scottish Government which, thanks to Wendy and her colleagues, have already cost £50,000 of public money."

And she added: "The reality is that Labour is the party of cash-for-honours: 80p of every pound in individual donations came from people who were later knighted or ennobled."

The chief executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, Liz Cameron, urged an end to continual references to the Trump application and its use as a political football.

"This is a major planning application which has huge potential economic benefits to the whole of Scotland. We should be embracing this," she said.

"If all politicians, from all parties, are serious about economic development being at the heart of their policies, why are we still experiencing cheap political shots instead of demonstrating full support. Our collective message should be that Scotland welcomes significant inward investment and Trump is a fantastic example of this."

WENDY ALEXANDER'S SPEECH

Duration: 20 minutes

Applause at end: 18 seconds

Number of breaks for applause: Three

Number of breaks for laughter: None

Key buzzword: Socialism

Number of times used: Three

Best quote: "We don't need a special-access government in Scotland that favours its friends. Scotland needs a government that governs for all and gives access to all."

ALEX SALMOND'S SPEECH

Duration: 25 minutes.

Applause at end: 20 seconds.

Number of breaks for applause: Three.

Number of breaks for laughter: Four.

Key buzzword: Partnership.

Number of times used: Five.

Best line: "No doubt it is a substantial influence to participate with the United States of America in an illegal invasion of Iraq. Just because something is of substantial influence doesn't make it right and doesn't make it positive."

…while Salmond earns unions' applause with talk of 'joint ambitions'

ALEX Salmond scored a notable success yesterday when he became the first SNP leader to secure a warm reception from the normally staunchly Labour-supporting STUC.

The First Minister inspired laughter and spontaneous applause throughout his speech to the Scottish Trades Union Congress in Inverness. He did have the advantage of being able to make a major announcement – the decision to build an £840 million hospital in Glasgow with public money – but even taking this into account, he fared better than many union activists expected him to.

Mr Salmond, in the first STUC conference speech by an SNP first minister, chose to highlight favoured left-wing issues of the union movement.

He stressed his opposition to nuclear weapons on the Clyde and to the Iraq war, but the final round of applause, as he finished his speech, was warm and generous.

The First Minister tried to rally Scotland's trade union leaders behind the more left-leaning of the Scottish Government's policies, emphasising in particular the move away from PFI contracts, the scrapping of the graduate endowment and the backing off from private prisons.

But Mr Salmond also set out to stress how much the trade union movement and the SNP had in common – a belief in equality, social justice and fairness – describing them as "joint ambitions for Scotland".

Mr Salmond said they all wanted to see a "rich economy and a rich society".

And he added: "I believe that is what, over 111 years, this congress has stood for, and in this respect and in this regard, my government is proud to stand with you."



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  • Last Updated: 23 April 2008 9:55 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

Angus Ogg,

22/04/2008 22:20:10
Wendy,

You need to raise your game, and also stop shooting yourself in the foot. Well if you are to tempt this former Labour voting puppy back on side.

You would be well advised to stop trying to cast sleazy aspersions from your glass greenhouse.

I well remember in 1997 Labour taking a £1,000,000 donation from Bernie Ecclestone, who in turn received many millions in sponsorship of his Formula 1 racing from the tobacco industry.

FACT: Labour had pledged to ban tobacco advertising in its pre 1997 election manifesto.

Labour took power, and took the blatant £1,000,000 BRIBE. Then incredibly on 4 November a fiercly anti-tobacco government minister Tessa Jowell argued in Brussels for an exemption for Formula One.

It took investigative journalists to find out where the stench of corruption was coming from.

On 11 November Labour promised to return the money when told so to do by Sir Patrick Neill.

On 17 November Blair apologised for his government's mishandling of the affair.

So Wendy, this way of trying to raise your game is far from adequate.

You get 1 point out of 10.

Try Harder Next Time.
2

Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 00:04:12
As we all know, Wendy doesn't do irony.

3

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 00:18:47
1. nThe intervention into the Macdonald Aviemore scheme was requested by a group of MSPs that included a concerned LABOUR MSP! Both she and the Scotsman know it.
2. She can throw as much mud as she likes but no-body has done anything wrong with the Trump application. Does she really want to send out the message to the world that any proposed inward investment will be used by the Labour Party as a political football? Is the Labour Party really that sel-serving that it will put off inward investment and sacrifice jobs just to try and score cheap points - which everyone can see through anyway?
3. Both she and the Scotsman know that the Scottish Power announcement was the result of the FMs office trying to behave responsibly... and not affect Scottish jobs. In any case its not exactly a big deal - the fact she's harping on about it kinda shows that Labour doesn't have anything substantive to talk about.

This woman is a disgrace, a liability and a parasite - both to the Labour Party and to Scotland. Socialist? Don't make me laugh - she's really clutching at straws if she thinks her new found love of true Labour ideals is going to convince anyone inside or outside the party.

For the sake of Scotland, get shot of her and lets all move on to grown up politics.
4

Teofilio Cubillas,

23/04/2008 00:27:42
Cliques? Special access? Cabals? Coming from the leader of Scottish Labour? Christ on a bike woman, listen to yourself, you're an embarrassment to your party - and that's saying something.
5

Home Brew,

23/04/2008 00:29:27
Angus,

Do a search on google. Bottle of Whisky Competition.

Should be fourth or fifth result. It will explain Monday.

Cheers!
6

McX,

23/04/2008 00:29:41
"He did have the advantage of being able to make a major announcement – the decision to build an £840 million hospital in Glasgow with public money – but even taking this into account, he fared better than many union activists expected him to."

Rather telling difference, eh. The WENDY regurgitates lies and spin and Salmond announces the most important building programme in Scotland's history for many a year. How much did those trams cost again?
7

Teofilio Cubillas,

23/04/2008 00:32:28
Watched another Labour incompetent, Tessa Jowell, being well and truly Paxmanned on Newsnight. Turns out the 4 billion London olympics are now up to 9 billion while the promised private sector contribution has dropped from 750m to 150m. Classic Paxman line - "well minister, were you lying when you quoted these figures or are you simply incompetent?"
8

Home Brew,

23/04/2008 00:40:44
'Classic Paxman line - "well minister, were you lying when you quoted these figures or are you simply incompetent?" '

The only time Jowell was a "babe" was when she was in nappies!
9

Mike555,

23/04/2008 00:40:51
I wish Wendy had used the 20 minute speech to tell us where she stands on the dropping of the 10p tax band as her key buzzword apparently was 'Socialism'

As for sleaze Wendy, your party is up there with the worst.
10

Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 00:42:07
The answer of course is... LYING AND INCOMPETENT.
11

Fanling,

Hong Kong 23/04/2008 00:52:23
Do I detect the dying throes of a discredited representative of a supremely discredited political party that once relied on - took for granted, rather - Scotland's poor and dispossessed for unthinking re-election? Wendy Alexander, Dictator Brown's mouthpiece in the north, you are The Weakest Link. Goodbye.
12

Senga Jean,

23/04/2008 00:56:39
Wendy joins Nickle Stevens in smelling sleaze where none exists. To encourage investment in Scotland is a good thing...to take many £999.99 donations to avoid disclosure is a bad thing.( A nickle is a US coin of little worth.)
13

Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 01:22:39
Stinging attack?
Hamish...No dock leaves needed.
14

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23/04/2008 01:42:32
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BrianHill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 01:49:41
If Labour wants to retain any semblance of credibility in Scotland it has to throw its weight behind Independence, then come up with a fresh post Independence programme to rival that of the SNP.

It may be a radical step Wendy but it has more chance of success than your present strategy.
19

Edward,

23/04/2008 01:56:16
Alex Salmonds speech was received warmy as he was very possitive and talked about wanting a good partnership with the STUC, also encouraging the STUC to take part in the National conversation
contrasting starkly with a complete tirade of negativity from Wendy Alexander, in which seh actually claime that Margaret Thatcher got into power in 1979 due to the SNP ,Ignoring the fact that it was Jim Callaghan trying to be clever with the vote on devolution which he didnt want (see McCrone report same period as to reasons) so went for vote of no confidence, in which no one was confident in Sunny Jim due to the Winter of discontent!
Its apity we cant have a no confidence vote on Gordon Brown and or Wendy Alexander
20

Edward,

23/04/2008 01:59:56
Cant wait till FMQ's this week for another instalment of Wendy Alexander being roasted, yet again
Its now becoming the weekly entertainment spot in parliament! She may even ask a realistic question, or perhaps she will not bother
21

Matt there,

somewhere 23/04/2008 02:11:10
In a stinging tirade of nothing Wendy said: "blah, blah blah, not fair! It should be me as First Minister, etc, drone, drone clack-clack-clack-kitty-SCREEECH-clack-clack clackity-who'll-buy-my-fish?-clack-clack-CLACK!" (cont. page 94)
22

GQuestAlex,

San Francisco 23/04/2008 02:24:45
I think that Wendy is a bit retarded. how else can you explain this complete lack of reality.

The SNP will be in power for along time if she is the alternative. Wendy should join up with George W Bush...two retards.
23

Cridhe aig MIT,

None of your business anymore! 23/04/2008 03:23:11
Before I do this, I wanted to write my last email to say I won't miss you at all. Fed up with the biased reporting! In the next few minutes "The (so-called) Scotsman" will be forever deleted from my bookmarks.
Ta Ta!
24

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 23/04/2008 03:26:00
We all know that Alex will be off as soon as he gets a good job offer from one of his pals but at least he's got the talent to get on with the job.
25

Jimmy the Pie,

23/04/2008 03:46:42
Anyone seen Wendy's e-mails???
26

W Smith,

Middle East 23/04/2008 03:47:37
Wee Wendy is too stupid to see the irony.

She makes these criticisms in front of the Labour Party's favoured friends - the militant STUC who are NOT elected by the Scottish public.

BTW
The fact that Salmond also wants some kind of cosy relationship with the unelected STUC is par for the course.

What else do you expect from someone who is anti-NATO, anti-Trident and likes to protest wiht communists like Lyndsey German and Kate Hudson?
27

Jimmy the Pie,

23/04/2008 03:48:48
Another stunning piece of 'journalism' Hamish!
28

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 23/04/2008 06:14:53
Wendy the Red goes to the STUC to complain about SNP favouritism. Oh the irony of it!
30

Pilrig.,

Livingston 23/04/2008 06:15:44
28 - damn, you got there before me.
31

Auckland Arab2,

23/04/2008 06:18:53
So when do we get the article on Alex's speech?

What a load of crap - "special access" administration, she must be talking about Tony Blair / NuLabor, surely? Didn't he start that ball rolling with access to No.10 for the great and the good, not to mention the likes of Noel Gallagher and Bendy Bernie, Mittal et al!
32

Nikostratos,

23/04/2008 06:48:34
Hoi! SNP drones how much is the going rate for a snp first minister.."special access"..........
33

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 23/04/2008 07:01:35
"Stinging attack" ??

Wendy Alexander has all fighting qualities of an inverse Muhammad Ali !!

She "Stings" like a butterfly..... and lies like a "B"
34

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 23/04/2008 07:02:15
Ooh a stinging attack from honest Labour.

Like we CARE?
35

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 23/04/2008 07:46:45
"granting privileged access to his rich and powerful friends".
Could be said to apply to all politicians of whichever party.
It's just us mugs that pay for it all.
36

Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 23/04/2008 07:49:29

Some press comment would have you believe Wendy is a genius. We must remind ourselves however that genius is akin to madness. It is easy to conclude therefore that the woman is absolute bonkers.
37

Louis Catorze,

23/04/2008 07:51:02
Yes Wendy, socialism isn't discredited at all is it.

Keep up the good work, it can only help the Nats.
38

Teamdroid,

23/04/2008 07:51:15
For Wendy, with all her favoured friends in Jersey, Tesco plc, SEPA, the Scottish Universities, etc. etc. (just consult any list of her donors), to take this line of attack is truly astounding hypocrisy. But then, she's a Labour politician who can comfortably utter the S word these days, so it clearly comes naturally.
39

McGinty,

23/04/2008 07:51:25
Blair...Salmond, plus ca change, plus c'st la meme chose...
40

conservative,

Fife 23/04/2008 07:53:07
The pot calling the kettle black.

Salmond sucks up to big business hoping for handouts.
Alexander sucks up to unions hoping for big handouts.

Blessed if I can see the difference - neither the businesses nor the unions care a fig about the ordinary working folk of the country.

I suppose the only real difference is that Labour was created by the people it supports whilst the SNP is a ramshackle collection of chancers just out for what they can get.
41

Phil C,

23/04/2008 07:53:11
#2 Vivas

She does however do sarcasm, calling kettles black, fibbing, throwing stones from her greenhouse, throwing mud that doesn't stick, cash collecting, hypocrissy, storytelling, forgetfulness.............
42

Colkitto,

River Clyde 23/04/2008 07:58:28
Cheap sound bites from Wendy. Her party does not oppose the Trump application for starters.
And the cheek to go on about big bussiness. How many big bussiness men have made donations to the Labour Party or profited out of PFI projects ?
43

McX,

23/04/2008 08:01:29
#41 Pas du tout, mon ami McGinty le goat. Salmond ne nous prendra jamais dans une guerre illégale.

44

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 08:01:32
Being attacked by Wendy is on a par with being attacked by a biting mouse.
45

roughrider,

Glasgow 23/04/2008 08:07:28
Wendy , what do you think of bent politicians who break the law? Like yourself.

Her comments are the rantings of a demented selfseeking
london controlled puppet.
46

It's Academic,

Hamilton 23/04/2008 08:15:29
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it Wendy's predecessor wee Joke McConnell who went to New York with the express intent of soliciting investment from Trump. Obviously Wendy has not yet learned to engage brain before opening mouth!
47

brownlie,

glasgow 23/04/2008 08:21:02
Good man, Hamish, you made a splendid job of trying to make a silk purse out of Wendy's speech with a paucity of material.

I see we are back to the parenthesis in the heading which is the Scotsman's method of presenting fiction as fact.

I'm collecting all the headlines in the Scotsman for a book to be written by Victor Meldrew called "I don't believe it!!!"
48

Joe90,

Erehwon 23/04/2008 08:27:55
The deranged, terminal rantings of a dead duck!
49

itsmeisntit,

breakfast @ holyrood 23/04/2008 08:28:17
why is wendy Alexanders face like something out the muppets & is thats a wig she wears ?
50

Joe90,

Erehwon 23/04/2008 08:28:49
Sorry, that should have read " The deranged terminal ramblings of a dying duck!"
51

roughrider,

Glasgow 23/04/2008 08:29:04
Wendy ,can you remind us who paid for Trumps HELICORTER RIDES in the north east?
The tax payer paid for the wee hurly burly with joke
mcdonnell sitting at Trumps side, sookin up his erse.
Joke the prat even said he had been in boardrooms all over America trying to do business, ie Trumps office.
Wendy you are a hypocrite with nothing to offer but
lies and soundbites
52

scottish person,

paisley 23/04/2008 08:32:19
I cant believe that the TUC still invite idiotic liars like alexander to speak at their conference. Are they still in the dark ages. SNP are 100% more socialist than liebour. Its time for them to change. Hootsmon you are a disgrace. I will keep reading it for entertainment value, but political journalism NO! Tell bendy, saying the S word is not enough for sensible people, however it seems enough for the union neanderthals.
53

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/04/2008 08:40:10
What a lot of hate mail above! Such comments quite ruin the attached argument.

Try to love the politicians whilst loathing the policies, instead.

It works well with SNP. Loveable numpties.
54

brownlie,

23/04/2008 08:42:37
55 Bob

Surely when you said "expenses fiddling on the grand scale" you meant expenses fiddling on the "just under a" grand scale" - I sometimes despair of how you nats never quite get it right.
55

Alan Reid,

NZ 23/04/2008 08:44:12
42 conservative, "SNP is a ramshackle collection of chancers just out for what they can get"
Wrong, your thinking of the corrupt scumbags, like the ones who surrounded your high priestess Thatcher for 18 long years.

At least the SNP are fighting for Scotland as apposed to the scum who have abused Scotland for generations.
56

BIG EYE,

Paisley 23/04/2008 08:48:12
Just as well the First Minister did not address the fact that the majority of trade unionists in Scotland now vote SNP.

Better to keep it a secret from the union leadership as sooner ot later if they stay in thrall to the Labour Party we will see a revolution among the ordinary membership who want to see the SNP succeed, prefer positive action to constant carping and recognise a good thing when they see it.

Of course generations of union leaders have been "well looked after" by the Labour leadership in the form of safe seats, seats in the lords, honours etc but this is no longer enough and the New Labour Party is so far removed from workers interests that all the kings soldiers and all the kings men couldn't put them back together again!

The last part was just so Wendy could understand!
57

Linda,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 08:51:01
In sharp contrast to the SNP positive agenda moving Scotland forward the opposition seem determined to waste taxpayers money in an attempt to undermine the Scottish government. Not content with wasting £50,000 on the enquiry into the handling of the Trump Golf complex application which showed that Alex SAlmond and Scottish government did nothing wrong, George Foulkes then used FOI request to find out how many people watched Alex Salmond broadcasts. Answer was three times as many as watched Jack McConnell ! Jackie Baillie now wants details of every email sent and every number dialled by Alex Salmond’s special advisers. These MSPs should be using taxpayers monies for constituents’ genuine concerns not petty fishing expeditions.
58

MtnKat,

23/04/2008 08:58:50
Stinging attack? Midges back already?
Silly girl, you're your own worst enemy. Has no one ever told her it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and prove it?
59

Publius,

London 23/04/2008 09:02:06
I've no love for Wendy Alexander. Most of the mud flung at her on today's board is justified. But ... for once she may be more or less right about something. The SNP is becoming the party of big businessmen. The SNP is filling the gap left by the collapse of the Tories in Scotland.
60

Shireman,

kilspindie 23/04/2008 09:09:48
"We don't need a special access government in Scotland that favours its friends.
Correct Wendy, that's why we got rid of it.
61

Hamish Scott,

23/04/2008 09:10:25
Labour politician accuses SNP of cronyism?



"stinging atack"

The only way Wendy Alexander can make a 'stinging attack' is when a supportive media says so regradless of what she actually said.

"ALEX Salmond scored a notable success yesterday"

But not worthy of a headline, buried at the end of the article instead. I see also that Alex Salmond has a best 'line' while Wendy Alexander has a best quote.
62

MtnKat,

23/04/2008 09:13:10
63 Publius
Would you prefer that those with the capital to invest in Scotland be alienated? My perspective of this governments first year is that they have been balanced.
My employer falls into the catagory of 'big business' as do many others. We need them.

63

Toast,

23/04/2008 09:13:21
Wendy can you spell nepotism because that has been your parties slogan for decades and the people of Scotland have suffer the incompetence caused by it.
64

Alasdair,

23/04/2008 09:15:45
#57, Rulesbutnotrulers - every day I see that you've posted some similarly snide comment. Does it not frustrate you somewhat that the representatives of the unionist parties have lately taken to embarrassing themselves in ways that the SNP cannot even hope to emulate?
65

Steve,

Bo'ness 23/04/2008 09:19:15
63
The SNP is also the party for small businessmen. And medium sized businessmen. I dont know if you've noticed but businesses create wealth. If that's your biggest complaint then Scotland has clearly come a long way oin the last 12 months.
66

Tom R,

23/04/2008 09:21:08
Even the "Daily Record" produces a better and more relevant headline etc than the Scotsman. Poor show yet again from the Scotsman

FROM THE DAILY RECORD:

"Slick Alex Salmond wins over Scottish trade unions
Apr 23 2008 By Magnus Gardham

ALEX Salmond won applause from Scottish trade unionists yesterday when he insisted they could work in "partnership" with his government.

The SNP First Minister faced a traditionally hostile audience at the STUC conference in Inverness.

But he ended with a longer round of applause than Scots Labour leader Wendy Alexander."

67

Phil Lawrence,

Tallinn 23/04/2008 09:24:48
Hamish Macdonell, do you call this journalism? You uncritically have a love-in with Bendy Wendy and then ignore the First Minister's speech in its entirety. I just hope that somebody down McDonald Road way has the telephone number of the Press Complaints Commission.

What am I saying? The journalistic attitude of the The Hootsmon will have ensured that the PCC is on speed dial!

This article is just the latest in a shameful litany of egregious offerings from this newspaper when referring to the SNP in general and Alex Salmond in particular.

As for the First Minister and his administration being accessible to big business, is that in any way a negative thing as a starting point? It demonstrates a willingness to be involved and to play a leading role in the future development of Scotland. If we were to leave such matters solely in the hands of clowns like Martin Ford (Aberdeenshire councillor who used casting vote to block Trump development) then we could only look forward to an increasingly uncertain future.

But in reality such outbursts by Wendy and her ilk are only grist to the SNP mill. This and the laughable outburst from Disingenuous Des in SOS ten days ago only make Labour look increasingly stupid and naïve.
68

Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 09:38:10
The saddest thing about all these "headlines" that this paper churns out, is that they insult the intelligence of their readers. Is it any wonder circulation figures are in the gutter and heading for the sewer ? The time has long past when I would ever PAY to read this newspaper. The only reason for THESE kind of headlines, can be to attract "hits" to the website and increase revenues (can't be much...) from advertisers on the site.

Just for the attention of any such advertisers. I NEVER look at who advertises here and I NEVER buy anything as a result. So you're wasting your time and money basically !
69

AJ Fife,

23/04/2008 09:39:48
Spray that again Wendy!

Get your brollies here, get your brollies here!!!!
70

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 23/04/2008 09:41:07
I can hear everyone guffawing up their sleeves at this one. Oh wendy when will you realise ? they're all laughin at ye hen! Nobody cares about you or your parlour politics.
71

MoClana,

Stirling 23/04/2008 09:44:24
More of the same please Wendy...your embarrasing anti SNP outbursts yet again proved just how lost for purpose you and the Labour are in Scotland

Whilst Alex Salmond talked about a vison for Scotland and common ground which the STUC and Scottish Goverment could work in partnership with....you resulted to name calling!....even Liz Cameron is asking you to put a sock in it.

Independnece just keeps getting closer.
72

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 09:44:38
63

Come off it Publius even you know its all party political bullsh*t. The SNP are the only mainstream party still sitting left of centre.
Their policies to date have proved that.
They know where the mainstream of Scottish voters sit and they need them on their side to gain Independence.
They are not however anti business we are after all a capitalist nation and canny business folk are we not??
They are at present trying to broker a deal between the Grangemouth workers union and the management something neither New Labour nor the Tories would have even attempted in power.

Yer simply mischief making again with comments you dont even believe yersell.
73

Rosie,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 09:46:47
No.52 itsmeisntit, breakfast @ holyrood 23/04/2008 08:28:17
your comment - 'why is wendy Alexanders face like something out the muppets & is thats a wig she wears ?' - is totally out of order. Looks, like colour, religion, age and gender are discriminatory..... are you saying only beautiful people are fit to govern? What do you look like?

74

brownlie,

23/04/2008 09:47:21
73 Bob

I'm sorry, Bob, but I have to disagree with you. Rules is a great asset to the unionist cause. His elegant phraseology, his intellectual arguments and his assumption that all nats are numpties are one of the prime reasons why us unionists are riding high in the polls - source - Highland Mighty.
75

JimC,

Kilmarnock 23/04/2008 09:48:19
#72 Phil,
You are spot on here. It seems we have long periods of silence then she pops up with more negativity. I am absolutely flabbergasted that the approach that was attributed to a poor election campaign is still being pursued a year on.
76

Vivas,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 09:55:51
Happy days. With opposition of this calibre ... whether thats Wendy ... or The Hootsmans garbage headlines ... the SNP can only blow it from this point on.

So for gods sake lads and lassies in the SNP ... DON'T BLOW IT !!!
77

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 09:56:53
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78

subrosa,

23/04/2008 09:57:18
# 61 'Jackie Baillie now wants details of every email sent and every number dialled by Alex Salmond’s special advisers.'

Surely she can't get access to this type of information. I smell a rat here. Are they so desperate to discover how good governments operate that they have to sink to this level?

Hopefully there is some legislation that doesn't permit this thieving of our government's inner workings.
79

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 09:57:27
Wendy is spot on. While there has been no specific allegation of wrong doing with Trump or Scottish Power (indeed Scottish power gave 12 cash donations to Labour) she is correct to highlight the SNP's "friends".

Labours friends are beyond reproach and never got favours.

Especially not the nice Mr Mittal who got a letter of recommendation for his British business (even though he never had one) after giving money to Labour.

The Hindujas may have had their passport applications expedited leading to the resignation of a Labour cabinet minister, but this was unconnected to their donations to Labour.

Mr Ecclestone may have got an exemption on cancer advertising for his business but this was not connected to his giving £1 million to Labour.

BAe may have got the government to drop a criminal investigation of fraud,at the direct urging of the Labour PM, in a manner the UK courts say was illegal, but this is not big business influencing Labour.

The Scottish industry forum was not duping people into donating to Labour under false pretences, and certainly doesn't mean untoward business/ Labour links.

On the whole I think this is a clever approach by Wendy, to attack the SNP's "friends".
80

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:00:32
Strip Search every new face at Grangemouth,

and I'll bet anything you'll find some MI5 incrimination. Guaranteed.
81

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/04/2008 10:00:43
The SNP really are loveable numpties. Their main arguments seem to be 1. be rude about Wendy 2. be rude about the English 3. be rude about anyone not agreeing with 1,2,and 4. 4. Insist that (despite dozens of examples to the contrary) independence equals wealth, power, influence, success, jobs and permanent midge-free summers.

I suspect that comments which may arise from this one will establish the case.
82

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 10:06:12
I knew Alex Salmond would have done something wrong.

As much as I dislike Wendy Alexander, she makes a good point. The SNP are open to their rich friends and former spin doctors, but not to the ordinary voter.

I guess if Labour find power again in Scotland they will forget this again. Labour are only marginally worse than the SNP.
83

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 10:06:20
87. Well said.

But there is Hope! Our Unionist unremitting campaign of negativity, doom mongering, never offering any policy alternatives, talking down Scotland, insisting that independence will mean poverty, isolation and desolation uniquely for Scotland but not for 15 other small independent EU states for no reason we can think of, and being rude about Salmond will wear them down though! Just wait and see
84

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:06:22
Rules......

Is it not about time you put a battery in your Calculator?
85

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:07:43
Rules...

Is it cold out there on Pluto?
86

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 23/04/2008 10:09:06
The Chief Exec of the Scottish Chambers Of Commerce says that the huge amount of money to be spent on Mr Trump's huge housing estates and ironing out of the countryside to make a couple of golf courses, should be embraced? To quote a high class hoar - "they would say that, wouldn't they"!
87

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:09:10
Rules...

Whom do you think will take over from Wendy, or is she the last?
88

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 10:09:27
Although Wendy Alexander is a bit thick and hypocritical when she made her point. Not open to the "Unions"?

That would be her special access group, yes? Her campaign doner, Labours biggest sole supporter.

Presumably not being open to the unions is the same as not being open to Scottish Power et al.

She was correct about the ordinary voter though. Labour and the SNP will be the death of Scotland.
89

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:10:52
dido-----

What do they cost nowadays?
90

brownlie,

23/04/2008 10:13:43
85 Union

I thought you were going to sort out HM's pile. He was very tetchy yesterday chuntering on about the war instead of concentrating on Gordon's hour long standing ovation from the STUC. Jackie (Mrs Fawlty) specifically instructed us not to mention the war. Have you noticed that Jackie is starting to pull her weight in the struggle for socialism and she is going to run the ruler over rules as a replacement for George.
91

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:14:22
Have I got this right,

When the Unions give up on Labour, they'll have no money,
or are they broke at the moment ?

Sorry I'm talking finances not ideas

92

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 23/04/2008 10:15:15
#87 OK Thanks! You can go now..
93

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:16:37
brownlie,

Will Jackie's struggle for socialism make then any richer?
94

Alan B,

23/04/2008 10:17:25
Rulesbutnotrulers

"Insist that (despite dozens of examples to the contrary) independence equals wealth, power, influence, success, jobs"

Why is that despite reading these boards quite regularly that i have yet to see these dozens of post that u talk about.

While i can understand there is a case to be made for the union, i have yet to see any of the main unionist supporting posters make them.

The main economic argument as u well know is
1)scotland have grown poorly within the union over the last 30yrs with no uk government interested in addressing the issue and making it a priority.
2)we have also performed worse that not only the uk as a whole but many of the other small european countries who have also outperformed the uk.

Tell me this why has no unionist seriously tried to explain why we should perform so badly economically within the union. The best i have seen is somehow scotland can not expect better. Why has no unionist tried to explain why small european countries have outperformed the big ones.

The balance of probability would mean if we had become independent 30yrs ago we would have been significantly richer (without oil) if we had perform aswell as most other small european countries. With the oil in we would have no doubt been one of the richest countries in the world as outlined by labours secret advice in the mcrone report.
95

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:17:55
Jimmy the Pie....

Never mind Wendy,

where is AM2 ???
96

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 23/04/2008 10:18:16
Sad really that all that wendy alexander has to offer is innuendo that is not based in reality.Is she so short of positive ideas that she has nothing else to offer?

Her latest speech reminds me of a lecture that she gave in Inverness,at a fringe meeting during an SNP conference.Her lecture contained many unexamined assumptions and several logical flaws.Opinion was presented as fact and no evidence was provided. Unfortunately,we were not allowd to question her.Her latest speach in Inverness suggests that she has not moved on,since once again,she confuses opinion as fact.

It is a great pity that She cannot learn how to be positive.The Scottish government (irrespective of party loyalty) has many challenges and the opposition parties have a moral obligation to help the government on behalf of the people.Is Wendy saying that nothing delivered by the SNP government is valued by the electorate? If she see can see nothing positive in freezing council tax,abolishing prescription charges,scapping the graduate endowment fee,etc,she is in for a shock at the next election.
97

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 10:18:27
96. Brownlie

indeed, Jackie Baillie told us all only to mention the war in the context of Labour's human's rights centric, brotherhood of man, international socialist agenda. HM went off the rails yet again!

Now, was that Mr Abrahams a "friend" of the SNP ? He has been bandying big illegal donations about in connection with planning applications - would be good if we could link him to the SNP! Same for that Lord Levy - he even got arrested, would be good if we could trace their phone records to the SNP!
98

glassbenmhor,

23/04/2008 10:21:16
How about this ,

if the Cassock calls us the McChattering Classes,

why don't we call them,

The McCroninites?
99

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 10:21:19
98. Rubbish. Anyone rising to give Salmond a standing ovation would have been physically assaulted and chucked bodily from the hall, just like we had to do with that old pensioner chap who mentioned the war (in the wrong context, not show-casing Labour's international socialism but chuntering on about civilian carnage and cooperation with rendition/torture) at another of our big Unionist conferences!
100

shivago8,

livingston 23/04/2008 10:23:52
#1 You have got the wrong part of the body that she needs to shoot.
New labour keep her in power,she is doing the Nats a great service.
She\must be deemed to be the most ineffective leader of all times.
101

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 23/04/2008 10:24:27
Wendy Alexander used the STUC conference to attack Alex Salmond while he used it for announcing a major public investment in health. When there is a choice between politicians who offer negativity and those who offer positivity, the possitive wins every time. Labour' Wendy seems now to offer nothing positive any more. There is no vision.
When Labour was formed it had a vision of how it wanted society to be and had politicians of principle and ideals. When it became the establishment its ranks became filled with rather lazy careerists who used it as the easy route to power. That is why so many now seem so bitter as they have to try and justify what they are doing and have largely been found wanting. You only have to compare the present generation with those of the past.
Now that they have a rival party (SNP) which has the ambition to deliver what they would have liked to do but were too incompetent or lazy to do it, they can do nothing but carp at everything the SNP does. Since there is nothing that they can genuinely criticise they are reduced to making cheap attacks such as big business access. The electorate are not fools and can see that New Labour have been giving special access to big business and taking donations and loans from them over the last decade, in fact their cash has propped up Labour fro that time. Wendy needs to be more positive in what she stands for.
By the way I welcome Gordon Brown's statements that bio-fuels are of no benefit to the environment when they are being produced to the detriment of food. Well said Prime Minister.
102

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 10:26:47
108. Rubbish. Labour has only taken £93 million in donations from big business in the last decade, and appointed the Director the CBI to a ministerial job.
103

Usconbuts,

23/04/2008 10:30:04
To be sure, Wendy also takes money from plutocrats, but she's accusing Salmond of "favouring" his friends with "access". Perhaps she takes the money but in return grants neither "favours" nor "access". I'm not sure I approve: if you take the money you should deliver the goods.
104

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 23/04/2008 10:30:10
So whilst the first Minister was there. being upbeat and confident ans sharing good news with the delegates, Wendy wa spouting bile and untruths like some petulant bairn.

I'm beginning to wonder why Labour let her out on her own.
105

brownlie,

23/04/2008 10:34:24
102 Glasbenmor

In answer to your query check out posting at 94. Oh I'm mad about the boy!!
106

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 10:35:13
87

Actually the Nat case is more simple than that it simply states that Scotland would be better off altogether as an Independent nation rather than as a subservient ethnic minority within the UK.
Its not anti English anti Wendy nor anti anything in fact it is a healthy forward looking POSITIVE outlook on the future.
The unionist case on the other hand has never been explained on here on anywhere else publically as far as I know. Maybe you would like to try?? instead of just yer usual general negative spinning wishful thinking.
107

Alan B,

23/04/2008 10:40:10
Wendy seems to be playing a dangerous game but one that i am not surprised from the labout party.

the labour party and wendy have been caught with illegal donations and corruption. so rather than deal with it and apologise she tries to spread the mud.

The problem here is that it brings down the whole of politics. It is important that corruption is dealt with strongly with the perpetrators being hung out to dry. Unfortunately for Wendy that would have meant her. But we cannot allow unfounded allegations to bring the whole of politics in to disrepute.

Basically anyone with any moral fibre has to find one of the other parties to vote for to stop this type of behavour which is so damaging.
108

brownlie,

23/04/2008 10:40:39
106 Union is beast

Quite right too. We cannot have stroppy pensioners whose pensions we plundered showing their ingratitude by bringing up our glorious Iraq campaign. Nor will be tolerate stroppy lawyers calling our glorious leader a liar.
109

ruthie,

west lothian 23/04/2008 10:51:27
Aye wendy, we don't need sleazy, cash for honours, self interested scotland traitor politicians...time for you and your north britain party to go then i think.
110

Arfur,

23/04/2008 10:51:43
ha ha ha ha ha

aye bendy what about your 'favoured friends' policy? you know the illegal one that includes folks that give you cash.

how she has the cheek to even hint at this is laughable.
111

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23/04/2008 10:53:27
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112

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 23/04/2008 10:54:18
#113 #114.

I do NOT support the Union as it now is so see no need to argue for it.

I do NOT support independence either.

There are too many failing small nations for me to wish Scotland to join them. (Iceland, Ireland, Slovenia, Zimbabwe, most of the Caribbean, oh, dozens). Independence is only one option. It happens to be the worst. Unionism is better than that, but a good con/federal system could get the best of both worlds.

It is time it was being seriously looked at.

(#114. For the record: please say when I have ever made a pejorative statement about any named person?)
113

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 10:54:58
117

Aye but at least they are our greasy sleazy dishonest corrupt politicians and no somebody elses.
114

Allan(handofgod137),

23/04/2008 10:58:00
Headline should have read "Wendy whines that Alex is stealing our policies"
115

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 10:58:46
121

A federated union is still a union.
And the larger nations are failing just as badly if not more so than the smaller nations.
Why cant you keep yer arguments real if you trully believe what you claim to believe.
I dont have to resort to spin and misinformation to make an argument I just post what I believe to be true.
If your really believed what you posted you wouldnt have to resort to spin and bullsh*t so often.
116

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 23/04/2008 11:03:21
This is way,way of topic, but I thought I would ask anyway? Am I the only one who thinks there has been a certain down playing of the London Olympics scandal in the Scottish press or did Wendy cover that in her speach as well?
117

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 11:10:59
125. No, we firmly believe that voting to divert £180 million in lottery funding from good causes in Scotland toward the London Olympics is consistent with our attacks on the SNP for cutting funding to voluntary organisations through their 5% budget increase to councils.
118

oder,

Scotland 23/04/2008 11:11:11
63 Publius,London 23/04/2008 09:02:06

"The SNP is filling the gap left by the collapse of the Tories in Scotland."

when gaps are left labour cant fill them, is this not a sign of labour being unable to do the job? is the SNP at fault for being successful? Wendy is were she is because she`s for Broon who is for Westminster its only a matter time till labour wither away in Scotland.
119

Angus Ogg,

23/04/2008 11:11:19
#5, Aahhh, Home Brew,

There was me chasing a bottle of whisky by mistake !

Now I get it....

http://fiddlefuddle.blogspot.com/2008/04/bottle-of-whisky-competition.html

Very interesting wee blog. Or should that be Weblog. Maybe a new Scottish word invented.... Weeblog !

Anyhow, I can barely work email. So what's the big deal about early posting on the Hootsman ? Surely it isn't that hard, if a computer dinosaur like me can do it.

This is how it's done....

After a hard day chasing the sheep, settle down to a nice dram and Newsnight Scotland on the new colour tv. Make sure there is plenty of petrol in the generator. Crank up the old Amstrad 9512 computer.

Then it's

"Back To The Future"

That's how you get into the back door at the Scotsman.

Sorry to be a wee bit cryptic, but half the fun is in the challenge isn't it.

Sorry Home Brew, but no free bottle of whisky for the one to crack the back door code at the Hootsman tonight.

But they do get the honour of beating a computerially challenged tcheucter :@)
120

izzie,

dundee 23/04/2008 11:15:32
two points 1 was Wendy's no further questions at FMQ's a strategy if so her advisors are not going to make a lot of difference to her future and 2 History shows the Tories and Labour lose elections when they become arrogant I see signs of arrogance among the SNP will they forget that hard slog won them victory and sit back believing the work has been completed?
121

WL,

livingston 23/04/2008 11:16:41
Poor Wendy, she has no risch and powerful friends. Perhaps she should not stick to that colonial & unionist labour party.
122

Glaswegian,

Glasgow 23/04/2008 11:25:34

Labour is being deserted by people who follow Scottish politics. Its remaining support comes from those with traditional allegiance but no particular interest. Awareness will eventually spread, however, and their support base will shrink markedly. When it passes the tipping point, there will be a rapid re-structuring of Scottish politics, with the emergence of a breakaway, pro-independence Scottish Labour Party.
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Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 23/04/2008 11:25:37
130

WL, you are wrong. The problem with Wendy is that she has rich and powerful friends and they have addled (great word - check it out) her brain. Alex also has rich and powerful friends but, so far, the only one who has addled his brain is Trump.
124

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 23/04/2008 11:30:03
When unionists introduce Zimbabwe into their argument for Scotland not to be capable of independence then they really are showing the desperation in their case.

Also comparing Scotland to countries in the Caribbean and Africa does not add to the debate. Only comparisons with other northern and western European countries are really valid.

I don't think the UK is a particularly good example of a successfully run country at the present time. Over the last decade it has lived well beyond its means on a sea of national and personal debt. Its banking system is in crisis, its fuel, energy and food costs are spiraling, at least at an inflation rate of 15-20% p.a. despite the doctored figures of 2.5%. When 'livery charges' are used in the figures to negate the rising cost of bread and milk then you really have to question what other false figurew we are being fed.

House prices are not sustainable and are due a fall as they rose out of proportion to real incomes. The prosperity under Labour has been an illusion, and now the chickens are all coming home to roost. The sky is as likely to fall in under the present union as ever it might under indpendence.

The unionist arguments are becoming increasingly spurious and those who are able to think for themselves know this quite well
125

Alan B,

23/04/2008 11:33:09
#121 Rulesbutnotrulers

what is ur definition of a failing state?

Iceland and Ireland have both outperformed all the big european nations. Comparing scotland to Zimbabwe is a joke.

All nations big and small will have problems. However over the last yr small european nations have outperformed the big ones. The last growth rates i heard for ireland this yr were 2% higher than the UK and even in this slow down higher than scotlands average for the last 20-30 yrs.

Luxembourg, Ireland, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, Netherlands, Finland all have higher GDP per capita than the UK never minde scotland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
126

Alan B,

23/04/2008 11:34:30
Huntly loon

I think the UK has been relatively successful, it is just a case that scotland has underperformed within it.
127

Alan B,

23/04/2008 11:42:01
#124 Foulkes Off the CyberNat

I think Rules is actually quite close to supporting independence. He sort of believe most things should be devolved to the scottish parliament, but still wants the crutch of being part of the UK.

He is also not clear about what he actually wants done at a UK level.

To some extent i think he represents many in scotland who have lost faith in the union but not confident enough to make the jump to independence ie needs a stepping stone.

As such i think it would be a good move for the snp to move a state of fiscal autonomy first taking with it the other obvious powers (transport, law and order, enegry and social security).

This would make the leap to independence much easier for many as the jump would be much smaller. ie no trillion pound deficits dreamt up in the mind of wendy.
128

haggis 10,

23/04/2008 11:42:13
Quote from the "Free Citizen" by Teddy Rooseveldt any country that does not defend its Independence, Integrity, and way of life, Deserves all it gets!!! Keep up the good work Alex Salmond .
129

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 23/04/2008 11:43:48
Alan B, While I would agree, the UK government was content to allow the false prosperity to go on for too long. The brakes should have been gently applied some time ago. Now that the credit cards have been maxed out just as the big bills are hitting the doormat, then there is no other way to go but a serious belt-tightening. I think the British population will not take to austerity after their years of excess.

That is why I think independence is the only way we can develop an economy based on more sound principles.
130

brownlie,

glasgow 23/04/2008 11:45:21
132 Lance

So Trump has addled Salmond's brain. Just think how much good he could do for Scotland if that were not the case. Do tell us the basis for your contention as we unionists are desperate for anything to put the nats in their place.
131

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 11:48:42
136

If they have a case for staying within the union with or without more localised powers then they should present it.
All we get is half truths untruths spin general maybe ifs and whatifs. Nothing positive certain nor believable.
The case for Independence is obvious without it being stated yet it has been stated several times on these blogs and ignored.

I just disgagree he has simply not made a case.
He hasnt even tried to make a case.
I dont even know if he is devolution max min or somewhere in between.
132

Alan B,

23/04/2008 11:49:51
Huntly loon

I agree that independence is the best way we can develop our economy.

But the debt economy created by Brown has also been done in ireland so i do not think that is an independence argument per se.
133

Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 23/04/2008 11:50:49
139

Good morning brownlie. Salmond will be the generalissimo at Menie. Mark my words.
134

Alan B,

23/04/2008 11:54:00
#140 Foulkes Off the CyberNat
"He hasnt even tried to make a case. I dont even know if he is devolution max min or somewhere in between."

this is a quote from Rule in the other thread today.

"I don't prescribe the form of federation/confederation as I don't know enough about such things to do so. What I would like to see is a. a general admittance that the Union is failing, b. that a con/federal solution should be seriously examined. c. that the consequent agreed form becomes an option in any referendum."

so i think it shows he is unclear himself what he wants.
135

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 11:59:07
135

No the "UK" hasnt been successful at all. You and I along with the rest of the population are the UK and we are all in debt.
Food prices are rising above the rate of what the government claims is the rate of inflation.
House prices are rising in Scotland falling in England if we are to believe what we are told.
Taxes are increacing everywhere on everything.
Services are cut.
We are at war again in 2 different countries.
The war is costing billions.
Our banks are in crises.
There is panic buying on fuel.
Migration is out of control.
utility bills are rising without control or regulation.
The government is trying hard to push legislation in order to curb our basic human rights.
Travelling by air anywhere has become a nightmare.
The government wants to introduce road charging along with increacing car tax.

The whole country is simply in sh*t state and we are being lied to by our Government and our establishment who are painting false rosy pictures and giving us dodgy false statistics.
136

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 12:01:26
143

Exactly its all a red herring. A diversion away from full independence. We are a nation not somebody elses region nor State.
137

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 12:02:24
139. I think it refers to McConnell lauding Trump with helicopter tours, offering to put Scottish Gov. staff at his diposal and Salmond then being so addled he put the whole application to a full public enquiry.
138

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 23/04/2008 12:05:58
Bendy Wendy the Rubber Puppet.

139

brownlie,

23/04/2008 12:06:50
142 Lance

Hi, Lance, the problem is that we unionists have always maintained that jobs at Trump's development would only pay the minimum wage and we are committed to continue along that line. You are surely not suggesting that Alex would have to settle for the minimum wage just because he did not ferry Trump around in a publicly funded helicopter.
140

Alan B,

23/04/2008 12:07:10
#145 Foulkes Off the CyberNat

The discussion of success for the UK was about the economy. I was not talking about the wars and related issues.

Scotland has grown at a poor rate as we all know. The Uk as a whole has not. England has done relatively well economically. Even more so when u consider where it was in the 70s. Yes there are problems, every country has problems and issues. But comparatively the UK has economically outperformed the other large EU countries.

Food prices are a global issue. The strength of an economy can be found out how it weather gloabl economic crisis.

I agree Brown has ignored many fundamentals running up large deficits and personal debts ruining the pension system aswell.
141

kimba,

23/04/2008 12:11:20
Happy st Georges day to one and all.
142

Alan B,

23/04/2008 12:15:31
#146 Foulkes Off the CyberNat

"Exactly its all a red herring. A diversion away from full independence. We are a nation not somebody elses region nor State."

I do not think it so much a red herring as a stepping stone. We both believe in independence. But others like Rules believe the union is failing but are not sure what should replace it. 30 yrs of scare stories from labour have not helped.

As such those like us that support independence need to persuade these others of the merits of independence and allow them a path to that goal.

Personally i believe a move to fiscal autonomy would help in that direction. Removing a barrier to independence.
143

kimba,

23/04/2008 12:18:15
Come on you biased tw-ts,I wished you a happy st Andrews day!
144

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 12:19:50
154. I think St Jude is the patron saint of lost causes, Kimba. Bownlie, myself and Highland often pray to her.

But well said and happy St Geordies day to you.
145

brownlie,

23/04/2008 12:28:40
155 Union is beast

Yes, our unionist cause is just. Why? Just be-cause......
146

slap-dash,

Border Patrol 23/04/2008 12:37:21
Happy st Georges day to one and all.



Who ?
147

Arfur,

23/04/2008 12:37:41
Brown and Bendy actually make Blair and McConnell look competent
148

Arfur,

23/04/2008 12:38:49
Kimba - George was stripped of his saintyness
149

slap-dash,

Border Patrol 23/04/2008 12:40:25
Sorry Kimba , , , , only kidding you

Happy St Georges day !

Do you celebrate ?
150

kimba,

23/04/2008 12:40:36
Thanks meths,as for the idiot "union is best" may I point out I am NOT a geordie! and the only part of the union that is "a lost cause" is only with the 31% of scots who are foolish enough to believe the cr-p that salmond and co spout.
151

kimba,

23/04/2008 12:43:14
162. Always have and always will,even work is doing so this years.
152

slap-dash,

Border Patrol 23/04/2008 12:44:53
Hmmm , , , think you will find it`s up to 41% now ! But wait , , , that was last week , , , , It`s probably about 61% now ha ha ha ha !

Do try and keep up :-)
153

kimba,

23/04/2008 12:45:46
159/161. Only bigoted fools like you two would post such a comment, salmond will be so proud of you both.
154

Calum Crubag,

23/04/2008 12:46:57
Kimba, you are a Geordie.

As to wee Wendy. If she's all 'socialist' all of a sudden, does she support Labour's 10p tax debacle? While favouring the rich? Cash for honours? Bush is Labour's Yank ally. Is Dubya a good socialist?
155

slap-dash,

Border Patrol 23/04/2008 12:47:31
*162

What do you do ?

Roast poor people over a spit wile dancing around wearing nothing but Grahaminski`s union jack underpants on you`re head ?
156

Calum Crubag,

23/04/2008 12:48:38
Funny, but at a time when the English are all raging about immigrants and 'culture' (Ikea, curries, German cars, Yank telly...) - they're celebrating an Arab 'saint'. There's irony for you.
157

kimba,

23/04/2008 12:48:46
165. Whatever,the fact still remains that more people believe in the union as a whole,than those that do not.
158

kimba,

23/04/2008 12:50:39
170. Just as the Irish celebrate a ENGLISHMAN as their patron saint!
159

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 12:50:51
153

Maybe it is a stepping stone but I bet those outside of the UK will view federalism within the UK with disbelief. Many in France and Germany cannot understand Scotlands reluctance to embrace full Independence as Ireland has. I dont.
If federalism is only a stepping stone to Independence then why dont we just jump over it???
I believe Federalism is a stratigic diversion AWAY from Independence. Nobody can even agree what form this federalism should take. How many powers to recover how many to leave with Westminster what powers to claim what powers to leave.
Unionist can play with the various forms of federalism for decades switch from one to another and all the time avoiding the full seperation.
Its simply another unionist fudge as devolution was.
160

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 12:51:44
163. Kimba, thank for pointing out my geographical faux pas! I acknowledge that while your buttocks do not lie in Geordie territory, your protuberant and enormous stomach does, when you are facing north! You are part Geordie!

171. Kimba, not according to the last poll, but fear not, our campaign to double tax on the low paid will bring a few waverers back into the Union fold!
161

kimba,

23/04/2008 12:53:55
162. send my taxes to the scots!
162

Doh,

23/04/2008 12:54:13
#153

Fiscal autonomy is about taking responsiblity for raising the money we spend.

I also think Malcy Rifkinds remarks about an English Grand Committe are interesting but of course 20 years too late. That is the Tories always at the trailing edge. Always will be.


I do note that Wendy Alexander has not commented on the 10p tax issue - thus cementing her socialist credentials.
163

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John PM,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 13:04:46
The chief executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, Liz Cameron, urged an end to continual references to the Trump application and its use as a political football.

"This is a major planning application which has huge potential economic benefits to the whole of Scotland. We should be embracing this," she said.

"If all politicians, from all parties, are serious about economic development being at the heart of their policies, why are we still experiencing cheap political shots instead of demonstrating full support. Our collective message should be that Scotland welcomes significant inward investment and Trump is a fantastic example of this."

Nuff said. The STUC must have been pretty embarassed by Alexander's witterings.
165

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23/04/2008 13:05:03
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 13:05:22
177

Conservative

Somebody who has something that belongs to you but is hanging on to it for your own good.
167

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23/04/2008 13:09:57
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Scotish Exile,

23/04/2008 13:10:11
Wendy, what a short memory one has.

Take a look in the mirror, or have a look at Westminster to see an administration that thrives on its mega rich cronies.

Wendy you are a fool, shut up and do us all a favour
169

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Calum Crubag,

23/04/2008 13:14:57
#172- True about Naomh Padraig, but the Irish don't have a huge chip on their shoulders about foreigners. The English seem to hate everyone. Well, i guess they do rule the waves from their green and pleasant (no Conset?!) land of hope and glory which puts down rebellious Scots. And they beat the Germans single-handedly in all the 3 world wars, 1918, 1945 and 1966.
172

Arfur,

23/04/2008 13:25:11
166 kimba - just stating a fact.

Happy George Day.
173

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barbour,

Perthshire 23/04/2008 13:32:58
Amongst all this childish posting about which so called saint is/was any countries patron and their respective origons,george?patrick?andrew?is it correct that the "Scottish Anthem"Flower of Scotland,was in fact written by an Englishman?From Huddersfield no less.
175

kimba,

23/04/2008 13:36:31
191. Indeed he was!
176

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 13:36:32
190. A bar stool could have written the sentence "Which is roughly speaking the same a bar stool. " correctly though.
177

kimba,

23/04/2008 13:37:22
Cry 'God for Harry, England, and St George!' "
178

Media 1,

cape town 23/04/2008 13:38:12
Wendy Alexander is not someone I trust, she isnt someone I would vote for. But it must be said she is far better than Salmond could ever be.
Labour = A political blunder party
SNP = An anti English Freedom Fighting Movement with no political acumen
179

Ffion,

gas station 23/04/2008 13:38:15
We can all appreciate that Wendy knows about cronyism and favoured friends coming from the inner sanctum as she does so give her her due as an expert on corrupt and corrupting cronysim.Hell, make the woman a professor.
180

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 13:40:01
191. There are lots of childish posts simply because the nat contingent (and there's about six in total, if you remove all the multiple usernames) are mostly teenagers or younger.

Lots of peurile ranting about St George today, I see! Almost none of it is factually correct but that's merely 'business as usual' for the nats.
181

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 13:41:23
197. Well said. We will keep the fact Kimba is one of us under wraps for now!
182

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 13:44:00
195. Don't forget:

SNP = Taking credit for Labour's work.
183

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 13:45:22
199. Erm, that don't make sense. He said the SNP had no poltical acumen, now you say that they take credit for Labour's stuff. Which must mean it is Labour that lack acumen?
184

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 13:46:29
199. I think we should run with this though! The SNP are taking credit for the destruction of Iraq, WMD on the Clyde, doubling tax on the low paid, the melt down of Northern Rock and losing the countries bank and personal data!
185

Arfur,

23/04/2008 13:47:27
#191 barbour - oh pipe down (see what i did there?)

We are only winding kimba up.

As for Flower of Scotland it was written by Roy Williamson born 25 June 1936 in Edinburgh. He was a Scottish songwriter and folk musician, most notably with The Corries.
186

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 13:49:29
199 Higland Mighty

Don't forget that Labour is taking the credit for the Conservatives work.

The last ten years and last ten months follow perfectly the idiotic middle-manager's maxim when being appraised by the boss. Success is local, failure global.

Wendy Alexander is falling back to the Labour ape mentality of attack, smear and "sleaze", which was if I remember correctly a Labour invention for removing the Tories.

The difference being now they are stained and discreditted also. Live by the sword, die by the sword, poetic justice that Labour are comming to a messy end.

Of course the SNP vote is just rebelion, Scotland simply doesn't want independence.
187

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 13:50:11
I'd just like to say I wrote post 200.

Wow, I must have some of that there 'acumen'.
188

Arfur,

23/04/2008 13:50:13
#197 Highland Mighty - why dont you just shove off. you are the only person that i know that has been exposed for having multiple usernames.
189

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 13:51:18
204. "Of course the SNP vote is just rebelion, Scotland simply doesn't want independence. "

Well said. The more we Unionists arrogantly speak for all Scots and dismiss their views, the more support we can claw back for the Union!
190

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 13:53:26
207. Absolutely. The nats have that trademarked and copyrighted with their belief that anyone who disagrees with them is disagreeing with 'Scotland'.
191

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 13:53:55
207 Union is best

More Scots do not want independence than do want it. I think they call that the democratic will of a nation or somesuch.

I am sorry you are having trouble accepting that and that this causes you pain/denial.
192

kimba,

23/04/2008 13:54:21
168. Not unless they have moved Stockton-on-tees from the Tees Valley to Tyneside.
193

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 13:55:06
206. How about proving I have multiple usernames.

Until then, begone and stay gone.
194

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 13:56:50
209.Alfred - well said! We have swept those latest polls under the carpet! And we do not need a referendum because we know what Scots want! Sorted.
195

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 13:58:29
208. I agree, the SNP "referendum" plan, based as it is on allowing Scots themselves to choose their own future, is clearly an exercise in arrogance, ignoring as it does the plain truth that we Unionists know what everyone wants, and we know what is best for them!
196

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 13:58:34
Just a little remidner to the nats that neither Salmond nor the SNP general are 'Scotland'.

The SNP is a minority party. Always has been and always will be.

And even after a long year of the nats trying to pick petty fight and after fight with the UK, the majority STILL prefer the life in the UK over independence.

(By the way, has Salmond released any figures on the 'true' oil income that proves we would all be rich if we did become independent?)
197

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 14:00:11
212. Too right. The nats have decided that "independence is inevitable" without the need of any nonsense such as 'proof', 'evidence' or 'a referendum'.
198

Arfur,

23/04/2008 14:00:19
you have admitted it in the past you plonker.

hands up who thinks Highland Mighty is a smelly multiple username type person.
199

kimba,

23/04/2008 14:01:58
203. Heaven forbid,Ms Alexander attacked the SNP, whatever next. Isn't that her job!
200

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 14:03:19
216. Nope. I think you may have demonstrated that classic trait of the nationalist that is gullibility and fallen for one of my many fakers. You are one of those that actually believes Salmond only tells the truth, aren't you.

Mmm, clearly Arfur is one of the nationalist elders.
201

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 14:03:59
"We don't need a special-access government in Scotland that favours its friends. Scotland needs a government that governs for all and gives access to all."

What annoys me most about this rubbish from Wendy Alexander is that what she really means is jobs for the boys, hand-outs to smeg-heads, payments to petty criminals and special access from the Unions.

Any lower middle-class citizens (the new poor) leave Uni chained to the machine with 40-50k worth of debt. Have to pay that back 10p in every pound earned on top of eye watering taxes. They have to then pay over the top fees for "public services" paid for by the original tax because only lazy smegs get it for free.

If they fail to sort their own rubbish they get fined, if they have pests on their land they get no access to council services and so on ad infinitum.

Wendy and her Union apes do not believe in access to all, they believe middle-classes pay twice and get nothing, everyone at the top and bottom (through laziness) pays nothing and gets twice.

A smeg gets a mortgage and can't be repossessed when they stop paying, the banker gets rich. The tax-payer pays twice, once for their own home, and once for the smegs.
202

Number 6,

Germany 23/04/2008 14:05:29
Yet again Salmond comes out head and shoulders above both Alexander and Brown. She , as usual gave a hillary clinton like speech, totally devoid of substance and filled with lies and insinuatuions, the whole thing drenched in hypocrasy. To have a go at Salmond over the trump project, when we all no nothing ilegal occured, and especially after labour had tried so hard while in power to woo Trump, shows the level this appalling party are prepared to work at.

Even this paper makes no attempt to hide the fact that
Salmond was a roaring success. Wendy , on the other hand, couldn't even raise a titter. More of the same please.
203

Arfur,

23/04/2008 14:05:42
#217 kimba - typical labour thoughts.

NO - her job is to do her best for the people. something which she is not doing.
204

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 14:05:50
211. I did warn you to be more careful!!

British Pride,11/04/2008 18:16:47 553. Whoa! Great! Such typical SNP incite. Fantastic! I only post as Highland Mighty, can you say the same ...
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205

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 14:06:49
215. Quite right! The SNP oppose a referendum, which is why they campaign for one! Classice trick!
206

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:09:07
#163 kimba

You are a small dot on this thread, but in real life I bet you are not dot-like at all. Shudder!!
207

Neil McCart,

Cheltenham 23/04/2008 14:09:12
Does Wendy Alexander mean the sort of sleaze and corruption which senior Labour Party figures have been caught red-handed at, and who have been protected by the Establishment? Including, of course, her.
208

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:11:06
#171 And where do you get that little snippet of information from kumba?
209

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 14:12:50
224. How dare you! Kimba and Jackie Baillie are the only only Unionists who can be seen from space and should be cherished on that basis.
210

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 14:13:09
216

I had to get my son to type this as I had both hands up at the time.
211

kimba,

23/04/2008 14:13:50
226.Check it out yourself condob boy!
212

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:15:56
#205 HM

Childish!
213

kimba,

23/04/2008 14:16:49
221. Point one- not labour,point two-any opposition worth there salt will attack the party in power!
214

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:18:12
#209 Alf

Not according to the latest poll.

41% for independence
40% against
19% don't know/undecided

Next point?
215

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 14:19:57
Are the Labour leadership in a secret pact with the SNP to deliver Independence?? or are they really this f*cking stupid??
216

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:21:08
#214 HM That must make all other parties "minority" parties. It's just that the SNP is the least minority of them all.
217

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 14:23:46
232 Connaughtboy

I can't believe you just did.

The world is flat according to the latest poll, next point? You stink, coz you do, next point?

Who did the poll and where?
218

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 14:25:50
235 Jackie Priest

The BNP will no doubt take after their northern cousins in the SNP and do some flag waving and snidely/slyly whip a bit of racism and hostility (they call it "national pride" like the SNP).
219

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:26:25
#233 Foulkes

I have to go for the former because no-one could be so consistently stupid as to make the latter true! Surely??????
220

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 14:26:54
236. No! Own goal! No CB will publish the details of the latest TNS/ Herald poll showing independence in the lead, eerily correlating with the PSO/ Dail poll - both from April 2008.

We Unionists do not believe in polls we do not like the results of. These polls are flawed. The older poll showing less support for independence are not flawed.
221

kimba,

23/04/2008 14:27:41
St George was out walking

He met a dragon on a hill,

It was wise and wonderful

Too glorious to kill



It slept amongst the wild thyme

Where the oxlips and violets grow

Its skin was a luminous fire

That made the English landscape glow



Its tears were England’s crystal rivers

Its breath the mist on England’s moors

Its larder was England’s orchards,

Its house was without doors



St George was in awe of it

It was a thing apart

He hid the sleeping dragon

Inside every English heart



So on this day let’s celebrate

England’s valleys full of light,

The green fire of the landscape

Lakes shivering with delight



Let’s celebrate St George’s Day,

The dragon in repose;

The brilliant lark ascending,

The yew, the oak, the rose

222

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 14:28:31
237! Jeez, another own goal! What is with you today! On the very day Gordon Brown called for the St George's cross to be flown on all public buildings you have to mention "flag waving" and nationalism?
223

brownlie,

23/04/2008 14:30:11
218 Highland

Quite right, one of your many fakers (I hope I spelt that correctly) was on a thread yesterday and stated "Am I supposed to be shocked by innocent civilians being killed?". Disgraceful fakery.
224

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:30:45
#236 Alf

I'm sure it's just a figment of my imagination!

http://tinyurl.com/5v9fvl
225

kimba,

23/04/2008 14:34:20
241.But it's ok to fly the saltire, that wouldn't be nationlism would it.
226

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 14:35:35
238

I am seriously perplexed I have never seen this level of political suicidal behaviour in my life. Long may it continue but what is it all about??
227

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:37:13
#244 akimbo

No, that would be flying Scotland's flag like most councils do throughout Scotland (even Labour ones ;-D )
228

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 14:38:12
44. No Kimba, you miss our Unionist point! It is a waste of time to go on about flying the Saltire on public buildings, as it is trivial and narrow minded nationalism, but is quite right for the PM to raise the flying of the St George's cross on public buildings, as this is not trivial.
229

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 14:38:41
244

Not if it was confined to Scotland. GB wants to fly George Cross flags throughout the UK on every BRITISH public building. I actually dont mind, it will be the New Labour party nailing their true colours to the mast as it were.
230

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:42:25
This may be too sophisticated for you kimba, but all people who fly the Saltire are not necessarily Nationalists and all Nationalists do not necessarily fly the Saltire.
231

brownlie,

23/04/2008 14:43:30
240 Kimba

Cracker! Now hit them with the British National Anthem - especially verse six which is pretty apt in the current climate.
232

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 14:45:46
249 Jackie Priest

Everyone has an ethnicity, including white people, why would I want to write specifically to an Asian? That is rather, well, ironic wouldn't you say.

Why is the SNP playing the race card here? What specific needs do Asians have that the white people don't?

Looks like tokenism to me, unless there is a justifiable need for this group?
233

kimba,

23/04/2008 14:49:19

following the completion last month of a consultation on flag-flying, Number 10 will in future fly the Scottish Saltire and the Welsh dragon on those countries’ saint’s days. Northern Ireland does has no official national flag.

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234

Union is Best,

23/04/2008 14:50:20
254. Kimba:

"Superbabes"? "babes videos"? "Sex therapy"?
235

Number 6,

Germany 23/04/2008 14:53:08
Kimba, refrence flag waving. LABOUR have just announced
that the Scottish Saltire will fly over 10 downing street, and other public buildings in Englandshire , to celebrate St Andrews day. How do you and the rest of our southern colony plan to react.

Remember this is not the NATS, it's LABOUR. Apparently
this is to help demonstrate the strenght of the "Union"
with englandshire showing their love and respect for the Saltire. After all, were all one happy Family, Apparently.

And no, i'm not making it up.
236

kimba,

23/04/2008 14:53:46
252. Take it you mean this verse-Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.
237

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 14:55:02
I suspect we are all wasting our precious time with daft big kimba.
238

brownlie,

23/04/2008 14:55:45
254 Kimba

congrats - your most sensible post of the day.

PS In your little song what was Jackie doing on a hill in Engerlund.
239

kimba,

23/04/2008 14:56:38
254. Already posted that @254.
240

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 14:57:01
222. Can you direct me to the actual post where this was and not just to some nat claiming he read it.

Why do you think that everyone on these boards are as immature as you by having multiple usernames? You keep claiming that I am also English Voice but I haven't even seen that name on here for a very long time.

Anyway, back to mocking the children.....
241

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:01:22
Ah, found the original. Who was the nat posing as British Pride then? You need to sort out your spelling, whoever you are!

Nats = Children and ex-pats. More proof, as if it were needed.
242

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:05:01
252. Absolutely. The nats are absolutely right to cling onto mere song lyrics, especially those not sung for centuries, to prove their case today.

Now would be the perfect time to mention the capture and execution of William Wallace again.
243

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:10:30
264. Absolutely, Jackie Priest.

I will forget the time you went on a four-post tirade accusing me of being racist because I used the word 'Muslim'.

I must say, this 'selective memory' ploy used by the nats is most convenient.

Maybe I SHOULD try 'making stuff up' next!
244

brownlie,

23/04/2008 15:10:57
257 Kimba

Give us a shout when you and Highland start crushing - Jackie's not doing anything just now and would be glad to give you a hand.

I would hurry though as the nats seem to be multiplying by the minute but don't mention any polls to Highland - you know it sets him off on one.
245

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 15:13:13
264 Jackie Priest

Thanks for taking some time out of your hectic schedule to spam me with that.

I suggested that the BNP would celebrate St George's day the same way the SNP do, through flag waving and whipping up some hostility through slyly playing to their party members prejudices.

Then you asked me to write to an Asian, because in SNP-land only people with pigmented have ethnicities.

Then I pointed out to you that everyone has ethnicity in a hope I would braoden your mind and you then proceed to have a full mental break-down in post 264.

Can you tell whay specific needs Asians have that Scottish do not share? I am struggling to understand the relevance of the group or what you think it has to do with not being racist?
246

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:14:26
268. Is this attached to you?

http://www.kilala.nl/Images/Blog/BigRedButton.jpg
247

kimba,

23/04/2008 15:18:12
258. The only thing big about me is my love for my country, and as for being "daft" only a eejit would support a party such as the snp
248

kimba,

23/04/2008 15:19:26
269. Thanx spooky
249

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:21:15
273. Maybe you would like to quote me?

Your constant racial tirades, stereotyping and generalisations of anything English are clearly not racist so it's a shame that I cannot accuse you of hypocrisy (again).

And again I remind you that as you do not even live here, YOU have no right to comment on matters that will have no effect on you. When YOUR livelihood and lifestyle are determined by Holyrood and Westminster, THEN you can post your endless psychotic rants (not that anyone will pay much attention to them any more than they do now).
250

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:23:36
Jackie Priest, the author of such beauties as "The English are a gypsy race!" and "The English have no culture!" is accusing others of being racist.

As I say, she is truly psychotic.
251

kimba,

23/04/2008 15:24:02
273 ARE YOU FORGETTING 9/11 OR 7/7. Try telling me I have no right debating what happens in scotland,if you are a citizen of GB you have every right.
252

Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 15:26:41
276 Jackie Priest

Which of these sentences do you agree with most.

Asians requires protection from racists.

Everyone requires protection from racists.

An Asian can direct racial abuse towards a white man on grounds of the white man's ethnicity.

Open your mind Jackie! You seem so angry and racist, I can see how the SNP recruited you, they play to this anger and manipulate the crass stereotypes and simplistic shapes you use to understand the world.

A Scotsman/Irishman or Welshman can attack an Englishman on account of ethnicity. Perhaps this is the kind of violent behaviour of which you approve.

We all need protection from aggressive racists! Not just your friends who you scare into thinking they are lone targets by playing the race card.
253

Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:28:58
281. No, you brain-dead simpleton.

You are not a taxpayer here, you are not a resident here, you are not a voter here.

YOU do not qualify for this debate.
254

Arfur,

23/04/2008 15:29:38
Song time dedicated to the union

Featuring hit songs:

Bye bye baby bye bye, It's your turn to cry, That's why we have to say goodbye, So say goodbye

See you later alligator do to do do do in a while crocodile dee te dee dee dee

Bye bye love, Ill catch you later

Bye bye baby, baby good-bye, (Bye baby, baby bye bye)

And now the end is near. And so I face the final curtain.

Bye baby, baby bye bye. Bye bye baby, don't make me cry, Bye baby, baby bye bye.

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu, Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu
255

Perched, Smiling,

another step closer to full Scottish autonomy 23/04/2008 15:35:12
Just a quick one for all the posters who are dragging this thread down with their talk of racism...

7 of the SNP MSP's were born in Englandshire....

Happy St georg'e day one and all...
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 15:36:15
When it rains in Scotland, some people blame the English. So let us lay it on the line: this party doesn't blame the English or anyone else for the state of Scotland," said Mr Salmond.

Delegates give Alex Salmond a warm greeting
"At each and every election we have the ability to vote ourselves into independence.

"And if we choose not to do that, then that is my fault for not arguing the case well enough, our fault as a party for not campaigning hard enough, our fault as a country for not having the guts or the gumptions for freedom."

This quote from Alex Salmond in 1998 sums up what the SNP nit-wits on here refuse to accept.

The Union is ratified and racism should stop within the SNP.

Sadly 10 years on, every day we see SNP voters being abusive on these boards, we read stories of SNP voters punching people in the face for wearing an English football shirt and so on.

As the SNP do not have a majority government, he has failed again.
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Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:36:53
287. Have you STILL not managed to submit a single post that didn't include any racism, insults or abuse?

What do you think you actually achieve with the utter p*sh you post on here?
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brownlie,

23/04/2008 15:41:24
282 Alfred

Alex Salmond tells the story of Bill Cosby interviewing a lady on his television show. Her father was South Korean/Chinese and her mother was African/Indian and Cosby asked her what the nationality on her ID Card was and she replied "Other". Bill Cosby said "There is always room for others in our society". Salmond goes on to say that the same applies to Scotland.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 15:42:36
Funny how this billious Jackie pr-ck ignores my posts,ignorance is bliss isn't it jackie.
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Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:44:00
292. And Jackie Priest scores zero points yet again!

You're a joke, girlie. A sad and tragic joke.

I yawn in your specific direction.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 15:44:48
Why haven't Jackie Priest racist and abusive posts been removed?

I can guess. The moniker is one of many that the SNP nit-wits on here use, but if you posts anything positive about Scotland in the Union then they get removed.

Please stop this racist tirade Jackie.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 15:45:36
291. The snp are whiter than white apparently!
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 15:46:38
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Number 6,

23/04/2008 15:47:13
271 EARTH TO ALFRED.....EARTH TO ALFRED.....

It's LABOUR.. that's LABOUR who are promoting this ridicolous flag waving farce. Why are you unionistas incapable of facing reality. IT'S L.A.B.O.U.R .

Can you not see how foolish and ignorant you sound when you witter on about flag waving nationalists. Any chance you will concede that this jingoistic tactic is wrong wrong wrong, even though it's LABOUR LABOUR LABOUR ?. I just can't fathom what you are all so afraid of.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 15:50:10
302. sorry miss thing,think you'll find that is the americans.
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Number 6,

Germany 23/04/2008 15:51:58
#294 Kimba,your hypocrasy can at times take the breath away. How can you, of all people, complain about having your posts ignoreed ?. You have even ignored mine on this thread when I asked for your reaction to Labour's flag waving policy. No wonder you take so much flak here, and no it's not because you are a member of the "English Demoprats" (Snigger).
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brownlie,

23/04/2008 15:53:29
297 Alfred

Excellent and well thought out posting. There is absolutely no hypocrisy in complaining about posters being racists and abusive and then referring to those who support SNP as "nit-wits".
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Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 15:53:37
302. And further proof, again as if it were needed, that Jackie Priest is insane.

Sees demons everywhere when none actually exist, classic symptom.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 15:54:11
301 Number 6

You are badly informed.

Alex Salmond on St Andrew's day wrote to a primary school and informed then to come to school wearning blue and white.

He turned up with flags and in an orchestrated and staged performance waved flags with children in something that even Joeseph Stalin (a hero of Salmond's father) would have been embarassed about.

These poor children were naturally terrified and scared at being taken hostage for aggressive state propoganda.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 15:55:34
#274 kimba

"The only thing big about me is my love for my country"

I trust that you include your intellect in the above admission?
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 15:57:23
301 Alex Salmond

See here for proof. http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w43/img.46957.html

The SNP are a bunch of flag waivers, that is a fact.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 15:58:13
WELL HERE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE REMOVED. jACKIE PRIEST IS THE MOST RACIST BILLIOUS INDIVIDUAL EVER TO GET AWAY WITH SUCH A TIRADE OF ANTI ENGLISH ABUSE, MS PRIEST IS TO SAY THE LEAST A TRUE DAUGHTER OF THE SNP.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 16:00:58
309.If you had a brain cell you'd be dangerous!
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Arfur,

23/04/2008 16:01:03
#296 Highland Mighty - Your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries!", I f*rt in your general direction.
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Arfur,

23/04/2008 16:02:46
#296 Highland Mighty - Your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries!", I f@rt in your general direction.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 16:02:49
#289 Alf

you need to get a hold of yourself boy. How on earth do you know whether these people are SNP supporters. Your stereotyping completely undermines your argument.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 16:03:12
I also think Salmond's vision of Scotland is distasteful.

He seems to want to concrete over Scotland's ancient and historical beauty to build golf courses for his rich american friends.

Salmond knows that the SNP will never stop a Scotsman earning the kind of money you need to become a member of such clubs.

But he would like the Scottish to clean toilets at this club, and serve fries and ale. That is his future for Scotland, servants to him and his rich friends.
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oddoneout,

23/04/2008 16:03:18
Just trying to catch up on here, just wanted to make a couple of points

JP just so that you know, the union is alive and well and has not been dissolved, repealed or done away with...facts would be good. Also you pay your share for the property in Scotland.......I see you have found the way out of paying LIT.


why are labour having a go at the SNP, revenge..the SNP spent so long sniping at labour.

If you are a party in power, you're only policy is to keep in power. If you are in opposition, you're only policy is to get into power. Whilst in power you have to keep the electorate happy and be positive. Whilst in opposition, you have to make the electorate unhappy with whoever is in power. Why do so many people seem to think it has anything to do with what people want?

Its called politics (or show business for ugly people)

can we keep these polls out of things as well, a poll will only show the result that the poll was designed to ellicit, it just depends on the questions asked!
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 16:07:37
317 Connaughtboy

I agree that the SNP has left its terrorist and violent past behind it and that there are no longer any official public connections to the hardcore SNP fanatic that poisons ministers of the UK.

But, we know who they vote for.

When you punch someone in the face for being English and try to murder people in positions of authority in the UK under the auspices of "indepenendence", we can assure ourselves these are the SNP grass roots.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 16:08:30
#312 kimba

Why would anyone want to remove your post when it is a perfect illustration, for all to see, of your childish dimness.

Now you, on the other hand, might want it removed!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 16:10:38
#318 Alf

Let me get this right, you think Trump is going to build a concrete golf course? Sheeeez
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brownlie,

23/04/2008 16:12:36
318 Alfred:

If you concrete something over you cannot build a golf-course so we must assume that your story-line, amongst many, is without foundation.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 16:14:56
323 Connaughtboy

Have you seen the monstrousities he creates in the name of golf?

They are completely man made. With ridiculous man made water falls and all sorts. You need foundations for that and so on.

"Can I carry you luggage Mr Big Bucks."

That is the SNP's vision of Scotland, or maybe you can answering telephones for one of the Scottish Banks?
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oddoneout,

23/04/2008 16:15:28
#325 if it had a foundation, it would be concrete
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 16:16:25
325 Brownlie

How do you build a club-house or car park or housing without concrete.

Please don't talk to me any more, you are cleary lacking is even the most basic capacity at latteral thought.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 16:16:52
#321 Alf

Your pain is showing. This type of vituperation will not restore the Union to its former position. You are in opposition now and I suggest you abandon your negativeness because all it does is amuse everyone, particularly me!
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 16:18:08
325 Browlie

You do know that a golf course will not be dirt tracks leading to it and mud-huts don't you?

Trump has taken the gullible and stupid SNP for a ride on this one.

The gullible and stupid SNP have convinced you. That makes you a super-idiot.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 16:19:59
#328 There is nothing lateral (note the correct spelling) about your thinking. Depressing probably, self-loathing certainly, lacking self-confidence without doubt.
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Jackie Priest,

23/04/2008 16:20:00
292 Jackie Priest

Actually, I live in Switzerland, with goats (I forgot - please accept my apologies)
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 16:20:49
330 The Spook

What are your opinions on calling someone an English B***ard and punching them in the face because Scotland lost a football match?
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kimba,

23/04/2008 16:28:10
322. That's rich coming from a infantile brain dead nerd such as yourself,maybe you should rest your so called brain for a while.
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Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 16:29:06
330. You don't think black soldiers get called 'black b@stards' in the army?

So by describing what does actually happen (I assume this former Colonel knows what he's talking about after 20 odd years in the army), that makes him a racist?

That nats like to accuse unionists of being 'racist' at the drop of a hat is not something to be admired. Basically, it isn't big and it isn't clever.

You may want to develop a mature outlook on life. Following Priest's example is not recommended for any sane individual, nat or otherwise.
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Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 16:30:39
337. Don't forget the nationalist graffiti appearing in our neighbourhoods.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 16:32:53
334.Cool, having a well deserved holiday there in july,can you tell me how much the swiss franc is to the pound.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 16:33:35
334. or is it the schilling.
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brownlie,

23/04/2008 16:36:26
328 Alfred

You said he wants to concrete over to build golf courses. Actually golf courses tend to enhance the area they are built in - including Trump's courses hence the golf design slogan "From dumps to Trumps".

As far as your other postings are concerned you do yourself no favours by complaining about abuse and then refer to me as stupid and super-idiot.

Your point about some Scots, who may or may not be SNP supporters, punching English people. They do not have the monopoly on that as English fans have shown in the past. That it does show is that any nationality has rogue elements but it is completely wrong to tarnish any nationality's name because of that.
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Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 16:37:18
339. 19 attacks listed from 2007, hardly a major problem. Vile but not as widepsread as you are trying to suggest.

And notice that not all the attacks are in England, again as you are trying to suggest.

Such stereotyping and generalisations are pointless.
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Jackie Priest,

23/04/2008 16:38:16
344 No, it's the pound
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kimba,

23/04/2008 16:39:26
339.What you need to understand is that England is bursting with immigrants, we cannot house our own,let alone people from other countries,hence people in England getting a little pi--ed off.
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brownlie,

23/04/2008 16:40:35
337 Royalty

Modest moniker - this would be our stereo-typed ned with a devil dog who would have been educated and brought up under Lib/Lab administration or do you know if he turned into a demon when the SNP gained power?
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kimba,

23/04/2008 16:41:33
347.Are you being facetious,I think you are!
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Beth Boyle,

NY 23/04/2008 16:46:31
What do you expect of a former banker who is friends with the likes of Trent Lott? It is allot like good old boy politics from Texas. Maybe he has ties to Halliburton.
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oddoneout,

23/04/2008 16:46:33
By the way, just what are your opinions on calling someone an English B***ard and punching them in the face because Scotland lost a football match?

well thankfully that isn't happening that much nowadays, Scotland keep winning...the engerlish are safe!!

Would it be the same if they actually were a ba***rd and happened to be from england
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kimba,

23/04/2008 16:47:23
350,unless you are a 9 year old English kid in a edinburgh park with a English T-shirt on
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Douglas,

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Ribbit
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kimba,

23/04/2008 17:02:54
357. you deluded fool,Stockton-on-tees is my home town and has been for the whole of my 22 years.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 17:08:56
SPOOKY,It don't say that at 357
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kimba,

23/04/2008 17:11:15
SPOOK.ARE YOU ON THE WEED,I posted that to 350 which is you!
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kimba,

23/04/2008 17:14:15
369,what is a "privet school"?
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kimba,

23/04/2008 17:16:09
Spook is brain dead,spook means private school.
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kimba,

23/04/2008 17:20:34
Well off for ma tea,then out to celebrate the great st George and winning the lottery of life,being born ENGLISH.
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brownlie,

23/04/2008 17:24:06
Alfred

I take it you count yourself as one of the decent folk who are allowed to call those who do not agree with them idiots.

358 Royalty

I'm beginning to see the resemblance between you and Highland in making statements with no substance and no proof.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 17:27:06
375 Brownlie

I just call idiots idiots.

Anyone who thinks independence will improve Scotland has adopted an idiotic position.

Scotland has formed a union to become a leading world economy.

The SNP want to form a Union with Europe.

How can you achieve independence through a union? It's an idiots logic. Like digging yourself out of a hole.
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 17:28:19
"Stinging"

Must be from the wasp wee new-socialist (cross my heart and hope to die) Wendy always looks like she is chewing
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kimba,

23/04/2008 17:30:09
Just before I go check out the scotsman survet,they asked
A year after coming to power,is ALEX SALMOND doind a good job as first minister 44% yes
56% no LOL.
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brownlie,

23/04/2008 17:32:52
378 Alfred

So your infallible logic will conclude that every one who supports the status quo (not the band) are not idiots?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 17:36:39
377

Relative to who??

Where is Scotland on the economic map of the world??

what is Scotlands ranking in the world economic tables?? I cant seem to find it anywhere.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 17:37:41
377

I dont remember reading or hearing about Scotland ever forming a union with anybody.
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Angus Ogg,

23/04/2008 17:38:13
#353

Afternoon Spook,

You are forgetting that Kimba, Lia and Moxy live on....

The Chatsworth Estate.

Now No One Ever Said The Chatsworth Estate Is The Garden of Eden,
Buts Its Been A Good Home To Me, Frank Gallagher.
We Know How To Parteeee. Now Scatter.

So Moxy & Co., live in a rough area where attacks, racist of otherwise are probably a bit more common.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 17:40:27
380 Brownlie

No, I conclude you cannoted dig yourself out a hole.

The proposed changing agent (digging) creates holes, what you are trying to escape is a hole. You cannot escape something by bringing more of it into existance.

This sums the SNP up. They want to escape a Union through a Union. This can't done.

The SNP just hate the English. In our decidant society student/gesture politicians like this bunch of twerps just behave like toddlers threatening to run-away for the attention.

Everything the SNP say they believe in they can't possibly, or those beliefs would preclude joining the EU.

They are just in it for the cash/status. Nicola Sturgeon doesn't even know why she joined the SNP, she is like a monkey beating a tree with a stick. Monkey see, monkey do.
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brownlie,

23/04/2008 18:08:33
384 Alfred

Your postings are getting more and more irrational and you seem to thrive on making statements such as "The SNP hate the English" without any proof that such is the case. I suppose with the paucity of cohesive or credible points of view you really have no other option.
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 18:16:10
It's not the case of the SNP hating the English.

It's the case of Scottish Westmonster MP's doing their best to keep their gravy train running by denying Scotland any chance of being independent.
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 18:16:45
It's not the case of the SNP hating the English.

It's the case of Scottish Labour Westmonster MP's doing their best to keep their gravy train running by denying Scotland any chance of being independent
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S MacLeod,

23/04/2008 18:32:05
"accusing Alex Salmond of granting privileged access to his rich and powerful friends."

- Double standards, or hypocracy is what I know this as.
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S MacLeod,

23/04/2008 18:39:31
"accusing Alex Salmond of granting privileged access to his rich and powerful friends."

- Double standards AND hypocracy is what I know this as.
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Calum Crubag,

Dùn Eideann 23/04/2008 18:52:08
Did someone say here that Flower of Scotland was written by a guy from Huddersfield?!! They should go and check out Roy Williamson's birthplace then. A typically English grasp of 'British' history.

Back to story though. Why did Wendy keep silent on abolishing the 10p tax for the lower-paid at the Stuc love-in? A guid socialist aye?
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Union is Best,

23/04/2008 18:58:16
408. Nice one Alfred - I don't think anyone noticed that you did not post during that little outbreak of faking other people's names. They will never put two and two together, along with your attempt to blame Methalions for faking himself, and realise it is you who was doing it! Majetic!
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Union is Best,

23/04/2008 18:59:22
408. Alfred - great post : "The Union is what the people of Scotland have chosen, and always will choose. We're not a daft country. "

I always say that the more we tell people how they WILL vote they tend to obey us as we know best!
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 19:03:29
409 Union is Best

I didn't accuse Methalions of anything like that. I didn't know it was more fakeys, I just saw a sea of red and his name, as usual.

Pathetic.

I presume you are another one of his log-ins with your pathetic sniping and whinging?
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Colin R,

Bearsden 23/04/2008 19:09:49
a bit rich from this law breaker who takes illegal donations, avoids the media for four weeks and has been in the pocket of these unions who destroyed shipbuilding and mining communities and have reduced Scotland's public sector to a laughing stock
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 Highland Mighty,

23/04/2008 19:12:40
You nats are behaving like neds again. Typical infantile behaviour.

Posts 412 and 413 were not written be me.
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Union is Best,

23/04/2008 19:14:35
411. Alfred says in response to accusing Methalions of faking - " I didn't accuse Methalions of anything like that. I didn't know it was more fakeys"

and at 408 "What have you being doing this time Methalions? Faking Highland Mighty "

Keen students of Unionist posting will recognise the right angles to reality total inversion in only 2 posts! Nice work ALfred

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McGinty,

23/04/2008 19:15:20
#46 Monsieur McX l'âne.
La bave du crapaud n'atteint pas la blanche colombe.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 19:15:41
400, happy english, happy Goerge day to you too. Didn't realise he was a German dyslexic.

On the subject of the page (as in the paper version),I find it rather shows a lack of respect for the Scottish state that a newspaper of such a title gives precedence to the leader of the opposition and leaves the First Minister as an afterthought.

Aye, Scotsman, you want us to bookmark you? You are.

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McX,

23/04/2008 19:21:42
#418 Superbe, embrasse mon derriere M. le Billy goat.
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Union is Best,

23/04/2008 19:31:19
422. "embrasse"? how odd.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 19:32:18
It is just so laughable that LABOUR should accuse anyone of a 'favoured friends' policy.

Labour sleeze and backroom dealings are STILL going on at council level where the public have not had the common sense to vote them out!

It just bring a shiver to my spine that anyone from the disgusting Labour party has the balls to talk out about such things when they invented jobs for the boys !

The SNP have probably snubbed the Labour crony suppliers in favour of someone fresh and efficient - the Unions won't like that so they get their political arm to try and muddy the waters.

God forbid Wendy - the public actually get a good deal for once by not going to YOUR favoured fiends and thank god someone has the balls to kick your backward facing unions in the nuts !
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Truely English,

23/04/2008 19:35:33
Happy St. Georges Day to you all.

It is so good to know that Scots are pleased when St. Andrews Day activities take place world-wide and even in England.
Are there many such events taking place celebrating St. Georges Day in Scotland by English or British people? If not why not?
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McX,

23/04/2008 19:38:35
# 424 watch it Mr Union is Best, I don't want you anywhere near my derriere. Obviously if you supported independence I'd let you have a peek at my hirsute man boobs, but no more!
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Truely English,

23/04/2008 19:41:07
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Flower of Scotland was not written by Roy Williamson according to friends from near Aberdeen. It seems someone else wrote the song and he paid money for the copyright.
I understand it was written by an Englishman living in Scotland. Does it matter as we are all British after all?
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Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 19:42:08
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"The SNP just hate the English..."

Funny, then, how shed loads of SNP members ARE ENGLISH...Neuman, you talk tripe as ever...as a point of information, the most vitriolic anti-English people I've come across happen to vote labour and don't support independence...as ALex & Co. are proving, the SNP is the only party in Scotland looking outwardsand preaching social inclusion...long may it last...
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­G­rahamski,

Falkirk 23/04/2008 19:56:15
So i see the Nats are faking my Highland Mighty moniker. They may take my Highland Mighty but they will never take my Grahamski
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McX,

23/04/2008 19:57:27
#430

England should be proud and bold in their celebration of their national day, and I am delighted to extend my warmest wishes for a happy St George’s Day. It is really good to see our neighbours doing well, and it is great to see the St George flag flying. England, like Scotland, should make more of its national day and identity. In an international world with the growth of independent nations it is of mutual advantage to all nations concerned that we celebrate our culture, and I certainly look forward to English Independence.

Happy Saint George Day.
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Usconbuts,

Glasgow 23/04/2008 20:02:55
Let's celebrate St George's Day:

"Every moment of his reign (as bishop of alexandria) was polluted by cruelty and avarice. The Catholics of Alexandria and Egypt were abandoned to a tyrant, qualified , by nature and education, to exercise the office of persecution."
In his new lofty station George gave free rein to his greed and cruelty, establishing several commercial monopolies (he was a bacon merchant)and pillaging the ancient temples. "The tyrant…oppressed with an impartial hand the various inhabitants of his extensive diocese,"
His end came with the elevation of Julian (a non-Christian) to the purple (ie as emperor). The angry pagans of Alexandria (probably aided by Catholics) took their revenge on George by throttling the bishop and dumping his body in the sea.
Info from : Edward Gibbon, The Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire
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Hamish Scott,

23/04/2008 20:08:32
Alfred E. Neuman - someone who uses the name of a comic character complaining about people using fake names...
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Paula,

23/04/2008 20:21:33
Wendy sting? Can they use the new midge repellant for that?

And how dare the SNP use a "favoured friends" policy. Don't they know that is one of Labour's ideas, one they have been using for many a decade!
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McGinty,

23/04/2008 20:38:49
Troll merdailles.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 21:04:04
#354 Beth

I have to say Beth that he was not a "former banker".

You really are a weird one to start talking about Halliburton. I shudder to think what is going through your tiny, bigoted mind.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 21:06:50
#357 legs akimbo

You need to improve your English before coming on here talking about 9 year olds.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 21:08:03
#444 Don't forget professional people helping to keep your unemployed, layabout backside under a roof.
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Truely English,

23/04/2008 21:10:16
What a great day for us all today.

It is Shakespeare's Birthday, a Day that makes us both happy and proud of our language and culture.
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/04/2008 21:13:34
Wendy Alexander is in fact reflecting real concern among some voters, and the SNP and Alex Salmond in particular would do very well to listen to her with humility and take her attack seriously. Politicians always need more money, and it is easy to be wooed away from one's principles - losing one's way to follow the scent of money can be an insidious process. Since the bulk of the SNP's supporters are NOT rich and wealthy, the SNP will definitely lose support if it grants special favours to such people. Consider Ms Alexander's speech to be a stitch in time, act accordingly and prevent real trouble.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 21:22:44
#452

Low life!
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 23/04/2008 21:23:26
#448: Firstly your soubriquet should be "Truly English", not "Truely English".
Secondly the single sentence that you wrote should have been: "It is Shakespeare's birthday, a day that makes us happy, and proud of our language and culture."
Perhaps you are talking on behalf of two people, in which case you meant:
"It is Shakespeare's birthday, a day that makes us both happy, and proud of our language and culture."
Certainly you did not mean "...a day that makes us happy of our language and culture."

Shakespeare would have winced.
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 21:23:33
448
In honour of England's Bard...to the Unionist trolls.

Go hang yourselves all! You are idle shallow things, I am
not of your element. You shall know more hereafter.
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McX,

23/04/2008 21:24:24
#448 Of course, I'd forgotten that, 444 years old today. Happy birthday Billy.

Perhaps you'd care to share your favourite Shakespeare poem with us?
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 21:32:51
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O wonder!
How many goodly creatures are there here!
How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world
That has such people in't!

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McX,

23/04/2008 21:34:01
Why bother Meths? On a scale of 1 to Hitler, Alfie's no more evil than a wind powered analdildo.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 21:42:05
460 Methalions

Your multiple log-ins and false accusations are becoming tiresome. And are in poor taste.

Having managed to keep 1 log-in (this one for more than a week) I only ever post as Alfie.

Inevitably the SNP twits (like you) will get Alfie banned because fundamentally you are a freedom hating thug who resort to ridicule and sensorship to get your way.
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 21:44:21
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"Make MAD the guilty, and appall the free,
Confound the ignorant, and amaze indeed
The very faculties of eyes and ears."
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Alan Reid,

NZ 23/04/2008 21:49:14
Can some of help me here. I'm having a ongoing debate with an old mate, about the merits of independence. This debate has gone on for, well eh,....the last 10 years at least. However he's a dear old friend and although he votes for libdems, and is dead against independence, he always seems to concede that the SNP are many strong points.
Anyway he said to me in a email, that Scotland was subsidised by England, and if we were to become independent we would lose this subsidy.!!??
Now I always thought that the system was this, Scotlands money, GNP, goes into the treasury and every year we get a lump sum back to spend it as the Scottish Government want., that’s it.

SO….. what is he talking about, or is this something I don’t know about? Can someone help we with this? This friend is agreeing with me on also everything that I say why we should be independent, however he keeps clinging to the notion that we “would be a small voice in the wilderness of Europe” I disagree, but like I said what subsidy’s is he talking about?
And please no d!ckheads sprewing crap.
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Alan Reid,

NZ 23/04/2008 21:51:39
Damne! I meant can some of you help me. Sorry.
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Iain Ritchie,

São Paulo 23/04/2008 21:54:36
Well, well. This article, to say the least has certainly
prompted a great debate. Some joke others are serious.
My personal views have been posted several times in past issues of the "Scotsman" and I do not wish to be repetitious. But an article that provokes so many comments,perhaps could make it to the Guinness Book of Records? I only wish all Scots could forget Trump, since destiny will free us of this man before it is too late. Those that love him, kindly turn on your TV set and those
that that don‘t, change to another channel.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 22:01:47
476,Iain Ritchie, Sãu Paulo, when did you begin working for the Scotsman comments generator?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 22:05:14
Re 479. That must mean Thursday's paper is already on the streets and Ritchie is left in the office to update the online edition.

Must check this out every night from now on.
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Jock Tamson,

re. 480: He lied 23/04/2008 22:08:18
As in location
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 22:09:40
#473 Alan

Try this:

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1804171.0.0.php
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Jock Tamson,

Oh dear, 476, Iain Ritchie 23/04/2008 22:11:37
Oh, dear.

476, Iain Ritchie's comment was swiftly removed and upset the numbering sequence of the comments.

How subtle, Scotsman. You are as smart as Wendy.
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Jock Tamson,

Wow. The numbering has gone tits up 23/04/2008 22:14:55
Wonder who is getting their knuckles rapped in Hootsman Hoose just now?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 22:19:32
Scotsman plant gets found out and Scotsman does a Labour party cover up.

Ha, ha, f - ing ha (hhfh).

The game's up the pole.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 23/04/2008 22:21:23
Alex: I hear Wendy is about to launch a stinging attack on me. Anyone know when this might be?

Aid: Eh, it was the other day Alex.

Alex: Oh, you must apologise to Wendy for my lack of reaction to the 'pain'.
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Jock Tamson,

I only shaft desirable women 23/04/2008 22:22:55
487
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 22:24:37
487 Methalions

That's not even a fake moniker you tool. Caught out red handed.
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Jock Tamson,

Meanwhile, back at the ranch 23/04/2008 22:24:42
Pathetic attempt by the Scotsman to massage the figures.
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SeriouslyAmused,

Ayr 23/04/2008 22:24:52
Get a life the lot of you. It ceases to be funny when honest discourse is ruined. The Scotsman will end up pulling the facilities here and I wouldn't blame them.

Grow up!!!!!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 23/04/2008 22:28:06
#473 Alan

Or this;

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/other/display.var.1804147.0.0.php
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Jock Tamson,

SeriouslyAmused, Ayr 23/04/2008 22:28:50
493. Get a grip, person, the Scotsman is stage managing everything here because it's paper version is failing.
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Jock Tamson,

Miss H, please use Canestan 23/04/2008 22:31:29
Canestan is an after pub disease as well, in case you didn't know.
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Jock Tamson,

After you 23/04/2008 22:32:34
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 22:34:40
500 Col Blimp

495 Wasn't me. I think Methalions is having a full blown mental breakdown and faking everyone.

You could be faked for all I know, it's annoying. I don't know how they do it.
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 22:36:31
502
Why do you show me this?—A fourth? Start, eyes!
What, will the line stretch out to th' crack of doom?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 22:42:40
Night all and don't forget that when you are waiting for a reply from America they are just as dependable as everyone nowadays - ie 5 to 8 hours late with their nondependability.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 22:45:11
What is obvious. Is that as the SNP twits are faked they are deleted. Whereas as the more sensible posters are faked they are not deleted.

This is clear evidence of the SNP's hardcore trawling this site to wreck free-speech.

Shameful.
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Jock Tamson,

506, Alfred E Neuman 23/04/2008 22:45:30
Listen up, you parody, I said after me.

I am too mature for that numbers game
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 22:46:25
508
"Asses are made to bear, and so are you"
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Jock Tamson,

511, My bum's an outy. 23/04/2008 22:47:00
It will.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 22:52:01
515 Methalions faking me

I don't report the posts, ever. Can't be ersed. I just scroll down and even sometimes the sheer lunacy makes me chuckle.

Very hard not to laugh at the definition of "punching" at 508, that is in such bad taste.

Although, I can't give you credit for this technique, as I suspect you have copied what an Unionist troll did to you last week.

I remember when you "Methalions" started posting a short history of the D i l d o.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 22:53:27
515, Alf, that'll teach you how to spell Paisleyed properly.
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 22:55:10
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Nothing will come of nothing.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

23/04/2008 22:56:25
516 Methalions faking me

Why do you continue to make false accusations? I never fake anyone, it's annoying and ruinious to this site.

Someone obvious got annoyed with the Nats being thick neds who get their info from wikipedia and so started spamming the site as a joke. It was funny too.

But when you (Methalions) start faking 5-6 people and posting 50 times an hour, it loses it's charm.
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 22:58:04
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Now whether it be
Bestial oblivion, or some craven scruple
Of thinking too precisely on th' event—








Yuck
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David MacLeod­,

23/04/2008 23:00:45
Burp
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 23:02:56
Time for the offski when the powers that be start effing around with the posting numbers. If they were to devote their time to preventing the word "advertisement" appearing through the text in almost every one of their biased reports then I might have some respect for them.
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Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the Waves ,

23/04/2008 23:08:33
HAHAHA Watch Christine McElvey on newsnight.

She cant speak and she cant even open her eyes.

Quick have a look.

What a state.
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 23:08:48
525
Everything I have posted tonight.

Wasn't from Shapspear;-)

Apart from the "yuck".That was me.
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Jock Tamson,

Nah. Respect cannot be regained. 23/04/2008 23:10:28
523 (at the time of that posting.)
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Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the Waves ,

23/04/2008 23:12:07
Private Ears??

What the hell is she on about?

She is a fish out of water.

This is superb.
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Iain Ritchie,

São Paulo 23/04/2008 23:12:08
Well Jock Tamson, Perhaps it was you that reported me as unsuitable? But, sorry to tell you that I am still in the
same number. Maybe you should report me again? Go ahead.
For your information, I have never used a pseudo name, and I was born in Glasgow at 17 Balshagray Ave., which I believe does not exist any longer. But keep it up, your
home fires are burning and we will break all records, if
you continue blethering a little longer. For more info
about me, try a Google search "Iain Ritchie", but only
after you are finished blethering.
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Jock Tamson,

529, ColB 23/04/2008 23:13:52
Ah, that plagiawrist.
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23/04/2008 23:17:32
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I had a go with the tranny as well and god he smelt like s h i t
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 23:17:43
532, Iain Ritchie, São Paulo. Nice try, pal.
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Jock Tamson,

But it was crap 23/04/2008 23:19:50
re 541
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Jock Tamson,

Scotsman toilet after Ritchie 23/04/2008 23:22:33
Yep. It was crap. God knows what the diet is. Bad for climate change and global war ming, though.
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 23:23:45
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Iain
Are you "More fun than a fat cow's bum!"?

Or are you a boring architect?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Plagiarismai 23/04/2008 23:36:57
551, ColB, I take it you saw my post last night about England adopting the Genoese flag of St George as a flag of convenience and claiming it as their own. The Greek Cross to be more precise.
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Conan the Librarian™,

23/04/2008 23:47:30
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What's here? the portrait of a blinking idiot,
Presenting me a schedule! I will read it.
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Alan Reid,

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479 connaughtboy,
Thanks for that, however knowing my mate, he'll still push it to the side and pretend it's not real, like most unionists. Still I have to keep sending out the message.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 23/04/2008 23:53:20
Wht don't you 2 posers, fakey Mighland Mighty and the real fakey, Alfred E. Neuman not realise that you have been rumbled?

Get back on meaningful duty, Scotsman employees and stop trying to block democracy with bullshiy
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Iain Ritchie,

São Paulo 23/04/2008 23:58:51
Keep going Jock Tamson, your blethering will get us to
nº 600 - and when you "Google me" - just for helpers,
there are many entries, but nº 4th. entry is me, click
and you will open flickr.uk, where there are 204 uploads,
and you have the pleasure of meeting me. The site is my
personal profile and from reading, if you can read, you
will be certain that I do not use pseudo names. You will
know me from time of birth to this day, if you so wish.
Yes, there are other entries, quite a few, but in respect
for your love of wasting time, I am taking you directly
to the source. This way I am saving you time to blether
a little longer. Whatever may be your opinion, be certain
that I will consider you to be my friend. Iain Ritchie
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 24/04/2008 00:03:18
INDEPENDENCE is HERE all we have to do is sign for it!!! Labour had best for once in her life embrace what the people want or switch the lights out on the way out. We as SCOTTISH people will vote with our feet for INDEPENDENCE,roll on that happy day.
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Usconbuts,

Glasgow 24/04/2008 06:13:32
Comments 15 to 18 in this outlandish thread were "removed by administrator" albeit with no reason given.

Judging by the scatological tosh the administrator suffered to remain, one wonders what on earth it was that he or she found it desirable to remove.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/04/2008 07:46:39
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Usconbuts

Ignorance is bliss
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Usconbuts,

Glasgow 24/04/2008 12:02:39
At last! The administrator has finally applied the red pencil.

 

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