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200 drivers a month caught breaking mobile phone law



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Published Date: 27 February 2008
ALMOST 200 motorists a month are still flouting the law by using their mobile phones while driving – despite tough new penalties.
Figures out today show around 50 people a week in the Lothians have been caught using their phone behind the wheel since the £60 on-the-spot fines and automatic three penalty points came into force a year ago.

The figures were released as the force today launched a one-day crackdown involving hundreds of officers in both high-visibility patrols and undercover vehicles.

Police chiefs said the national day of action was intended to send out the message that using phones while driving will not be tolerated.

Since the new laws were introduced last March, a total of 2347 motorists have been caught in the Lothian and Borders region.

With around seven a day being punished, the number of offenders has dropped under the fresh legislation.

Previously, an average of 11 drivers a day were caught when the fine was £30 and no licence endorsement was included.

Sergeant Darren Faulds, from the force's road policing unit, said: "We won't be targeting specific locations as this offence is seen everywhere people drive. Officers will be looking for offenders across the force area and we're putting the resources behind that.

"The penalty now fits the crime so drivers could face losing their licence. But our main aim is to prevent accidents and save lives as using a phone leaves your vehicle out of control.

"The message is getting across but we still see people flouting the law. Sometimes the same person is caught twice in a few months."

The clampdown got underway at 7am this morning and will run until 7am tomorrow. A total of 125 officers from road policing will be involved, as well as hundreds of other officers.

Inspector Grant Allan, from the road policing unit, said: "While the vast majority of motorists obey the law, there are still those who consider using their hand-held mobile to be at the 'lower end of the scale' in terms of offending.

"They should be in no doubt that using their phone while driving affects their concentration, and the consequences of that could be deadly. The purpose of this day of action is to send a message to those people that their behaviour will not be tolerated.

"Using a hand-held mobile phone while driving should not be regarded as a 'lesser' offence. In actual fact it is a core road policing offence, and as such we will do everything we can to educate drivers and enforce the law."

Neil Greig, head of policy in Scotland for the Institute of Advanced Motorists Motoring Trust, said: "The surveys I've seen have indicated a downward trend, but the problem has not gone away. The reason that a hard core continue to use phones is that they are not being caught.

"We congratulate the police for keeping up the pressure as the fear of getting caught will be the only deterrent for some."

The tougher penalties also apply to drivers using hands-free sets if they are judged not to be in proper control of the vehicle.

And those who insist on going to court could see the maximum fine rise to £1000 for car drivers or £2500 for those in charge of vans, lorries, buses or coaches.

In 2005, 13 deaths and 400 injuries in the UK were blamed on drivers using hand-held mobiles.


Text addicts admit flouting rules at the wheel
MORE than a third of motorists in Edinburgh admitted texting on a mobile phone whilst driving, according to a new survey.

Social networking website Facebook quizzed 2000 UK users – a quarter of them in Scotland – about texting and driving on behalf of the RAC Foundation.

The figures show 36 per cent of people in the Capital admitted to texting and driving, although this was well behind London (53 per cent) and Manchester (50 per cent).

However, a responsible 16 per cent of Edinburgh motorists – more often than not women – switch off their phones or put them on mute while behind the wheel.

Elizabeth Dainton, research development manager for the RAC Foundation, said: "The survey clearly demonstrates that a large proportion of UK drivers are breaking the law by texting and driving.

"Many young people may not be aware that it is illegal to text and drive and how it places them and other road users in potential danger."



The full article contains 748 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 27 February 2008 9:14 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Paul R,

27/02/2008 10:47:22
Time to further increase the penalty to 6 points and £1000 fine? Will people get the message then?

I'm not often for harsh sentences on motorists but in this case I make an exception.
2

mrmoneypenny,

27/02/2008 10:47:55
..

Discuss.
3

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 27/02/2008 11:28:44
Texting whilst driving? Now that's scary - I would have though that was nearly impossible. Having nearly been hit a few times by plonkers driving whilst using their phones, I would agree with #1.
4

an interested party,

27/02/2008 11:46:18
out of interest

'introduced last March, a total of 2347 motorists have been caught '

how many road deaths caused by drivers using mobile phones in that same period ?

nobody telling ?

and before some moralistic bafoons trys to jump down my throat i DO NOT condone the use of mobiles whilst driving just wondering on how the figures are massaged
5

fresian,

edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:03:00
I would suggest the figures are pretty well out. in the same way that the government claimed that 40% of motorcycles on our roads are untaxed. They have various multipliers and probability factors which they use to come up with their statistics.

i would further add that asking a sample of 2000 would not be representative of a country of 50-60 million, it is also more likely that the demographic group who use social networking sites such as facebook are more likely to use texting etc as a means of communication than many others.

i would however, point out that mobile use when driving is one of my pet hates.
6

alex paterson,

embra 27/02/2008 12:03:15
Hell mend them they are breaking the law,also putting other lives at risk,they should be severely dealt with.
7

James (1),

27/02/2008 12:07:22
#4 Why are you suspecting any such massage being done with the figures? This figure is for those caught using a mobile phone, that is the end of the matter. It is not put up as a comparison. If the number of people killed was zero or one or twenty one is irrelevant. Its apples and oranges. The point is stupid people are still using their phones whilst driving.
8

AD in sunny Livingston,

27/02/2008 12:09:37
#1 I think we could go even further and give HGV drivers an instant ban if they're caught - they're one of the worst for still using their phones and obviously the stakes are a lot higher with them.
9

Beergut,

Embra 27/02/2008 12:14:41
It's really frightening when you see them looking down at their phone, texting away, while driving. I nearly got knocked down on a pedestrian crossing by one but thankfully a bus driver tooted his horn to warn me and I saw what she was doing and knew she wasn't going to stop. There should be some kind of "whistleblowing" site to name and shame these people as there will never be enough police about to enforce it - and they know it.
10

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:18:09
IT IS NOT NECCESSARILY DANGEROUS TO USE A MOBILE PHONE WHILST DRIVING.

End of Story.

This stupid, brain dead law should be scrapped and we should go back to the old charges of "driving without due care and attention" or "dangerous driving".

This is just another money-making scam directed at motorists.
11

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 27/02/2008 12:18:58
Keep increasing the penalties, they'll get the message one day.
12

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:20:40
#4:

"how many road deaths caused by drivers using mobile phones in that same period?"

Probably none.

Also: How many drivers were prosecuted for CAUSING A DANGER on the road by using a mobile phone whilst driving?

The answer to that one is also "probably none", which is why this law is so daft.
13

Grumpy,

27/02/2008 12:24:29
I think people caught using their mobiles should have their phones confiscated on the spot. The sheer inconvenience of getting a new phone, re-acquiring all you pals' phone numbers and letting them know your new one would certainly hurt.

But why not invent a device that simply doesn't allow a mobile to be used in a vehicle unless it's hands-free.

And all people caught should be made to watch the latest TV advert where the husband dies while talking to his wife on the mobile while driving.
14

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:27:30
#10
I dispute that - it is always dangerous to use a mobile phone whilst driving and it is a very simple thing to not be caught doing - turn the damned thing off.
Next time you are in a supermarket just check out the ability of someone talking on a phone whilst trying to manouvre a trolley. How people think that they can drive whilst so badly distracted I do not know.
I would bring in bans but even that is probably not enough to get it into some of their thick heads.
I gestured to someone stopped at some lights who was talking on their phone that should put their phone away and all I got was abuse back, they deserve everything they get - just so long as they do not injure someone (me) first - oh actually, too late, someone has already done that.
15

Boswall,

27/02/2008 12:28:31
What's surprising is that there are 200 people stupid enough not to put their phones on speaker so they don't get caught...

Answering an incoming call while driving is no more dangerous than conducting a conversation with someone sitting in the car with you.

Texting while driving is obviously lunacy.

16

fresian,

edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:30:46
10 & 12 , I'm afraid that for once I would have to disagree with you. I have had one serious accident where the driver using his phone ran into me. I was also nearly side swiped on the M8 last night by some pr1ck in a silver merc texting while travelling along the outside lane.

No 8, add bus drivers and council van drivers to that list.
17

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:30:46
#10 You seem to think you know better than everyone else - police included; what qualifications do you have to make that assertion?
18

Boswall,

27/02/2008 12:30:59
Liz:

"I gestured to someone stopped at some lights who was talking on their phone that should put their phone away and all I got was abuse back, they deserve"

Frankly I'm surprised you weren't the subject of a road rage attack.

In future best mind your own business instead of looking for excuses to stick your nose into other peoples.
19

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:34:49
#18 If people are putting other people's safety at risk, why should they not intervene? Presumably if you saw someone being attacked in the street you would just ignore it rather than inform the police? If people act like an idiot in public then the public should ensure they are held to account.
20

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:36:43
#18
Yes, well when I noticed that they were barely able to stop in time for the lights I thought someone should do something. Who knows, maybe my comments were enough to make them pause for thought at a future date and they have stopped their selfish and foolish behaviour?
21

dancingbear,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:37:14
Oh I get it, so you can smoke a fire accelerator in your hand and drive but not talk and drive or eat an apple and drive. Seems to be typical British logic. Texting and driving does wind me right up though especially when it is a woman doing it as they have a hard enough job controlling a vehicle as it is.
22

The Judge,

27/02/2008 12:37:20
Obviously the punishments aren't working, it should be treated the same as drink/drugs driving with an instant ban and a larger fine.

23

S Homes,

27/02/2008 12:38:08
Petrol Head,

Try reading these and reconsider what you've written.

http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/tm_objectid=17778247&method=full&siteid=50081&headline=death-crash-lorry-driver-reading-text-name_page.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/5252872.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7222690.stm
24

Mozam,

27/02/2008 12:39:12
So its dangerous to use a mobile while driving, well it would be for those who are unable to do 2 simple tasks at once.

If its so bad using a mobile, why is it not illegal to use sat nav when driving.?? that has you looking at the screen, pressing buttons listening to instructions, all probably on a road your not familiar with, yet a simple conversation is so much worse.

Why don't we ban, radios, heaters (don;t want anyone distracted by a heat vent!!)electric windows, sat nav and passengers from cars that's surely the only way we can be sure we're not distracted as drivers..
25

Bob 2,

27/02/2008 12:42:52
no10 High Octane, nice to see you are still trying to wind us up with your comments.

Its Dangerous and can lead to someone getting Killed.

Amazingly , its not the "boy racer" that you see its "adults", often with kids in the back.

How do people manage it , pulling away from a roundabout , mobile in the right hand, changing gears and steering with the other .

However the best one I've seen, was a chap pulling out of a junction, with a mug of tea in his right hand and steering/chaning gears with his left.....Mad.

No9 its called 999 and is operated by the Police !!

Its amazing people pay £10k+ for a new car and £100+ for a mobile, but then think its too expensive to buy a hands free kit.
Hit them hard, impound there a car for a day, that would soon sort them out.

26

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:43:20
#13:

"And all people caught should be made to watch the latest TV advert where the husband dies while talking to his wife on the mobile while driving."

...which is nothing more than theatrical trash.


#14:

"I gestured to someone stopped at some lights who was talking on their phone that should put their phone away..."

Why were you not concentrating on YOUR driving? Besides, at traffic lights, the car is stationary. It is perfectly safe to talk on a mobile then.

#16: I agree that there are some instances where they are causing a danger by using their phones---in which case the offence is driving without due care... etc. Did these drivers get prosecuted and if so what were they charged with? There is no need to treat everyone like imbeciles because of the stupid actions of a few. BTW: you seem to be having a lot of crashes. :-(

#17:

What qualifications do I have? Common sense, the ability to visualise a problem, the power of reason and the ability to spot bullsh1t when I see/hear it. If you like, I could put down my precise reasoning behind my arguement but I'm reluctant to do so as it will be very long and involve some quite complex psychology. Instead, I'll rely on the intellect of my fellow posters to think for themselves! :-)


27

James (1),

27/02/2008 12:47:09
#17 I assume this is your first encounter with #10. I think I can say with out contradiction that fuel heads driving is the best that there possibly could be. If an accident was to occur it would not be this persons fault. Oh no!
The law is stupid because as was said by this very knowledable person "IT IS NOT NECCESSARILY DANGEROUS TO USE A MOBILE PHONE WHILST DRIVING." and probably not neccesarily dangerous ignoring red traffic lights if we keep to the same "logic". The danger is only in the crash and as I have said that would not be fuel heads fault so there you have it.
IT IS NOT NECCESSARILY DANGEROUS TO USE YOUR FEET TO STEER WHILST DRIVING its the crash when the danger begins.
28

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:49:04
#26
"Why were you not concentrating on YOUR driving? Besides, at traffic lights, the car is stationary. It is perfectly safe to talk on a mobile then."

Well as I was a pedestrian at the time I was doing nothing wrong. And you are incorrect, talking on a mobile at at set of lights is not "perfectly safe", at somepoint you have to move your vehicle again - that is assuming that you managed to stop in time for the lights in the first place....
- just wait until some pillock drives into the back of your car one day whilst they are chatting on a phone and you will soon change your opinion.....
29

Bob 2,

27/02/2008 12:50:18
No24 Mozam

take a look at the links on comment 23 above yours.!

As you say Sat Navs are just as dangerous, didn't the law once prevent people having "screens" in the front of cars.
watching a satnav is not far off watching a dvd on a portable dvd player

Research has shown that using a mobile does distract someones ability to concentrate on the road.

Take a look at anyone on there mobile, there facial expressions completetly change compared to listing to a radio.
30

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:54:27
#25:

"How do people manage it , pulling away from a roundabout , mobile in the right hand, changing gears and steering with the other."

I've never seen that done but once again it depends on the individual. It is not the act of using the phone or even the conversation that is the issue. The bottom line is "are you in control of your car?" If the answer to that is "yes" then there is no problem. If the answer to that is "no" then you have a serious, urgent problem that needs to be addressed.

We all have differing abilities and it is quite within the capability of most of us to talk on a phone and drive at the same time PROVIDED YOU DO SO AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME
31

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:54:31
Sorry Mr High Octane man. I am a beleaguered motorist too and often i agree with some of your arguments on these thraeds.

On this occasion youre the one spouting the bullsh/t.
32

PARTSMAN,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 12:55:44
CELLPHONES ARE BAD ENOUGH! WHAT ABOUT SAT NAVS, TOMTOMS
ETC? WHAT ABOUT CABBIES? MOST HAVE TWO MONITORS ON THEIR DASHBOARDS!!! HOW CAN THE LOOK AT TWO SCREENS AND
THE ROAD, AT THE SAME TIME?????????
33

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 27/02/2008 12:57:28
Some members of my staff seem quite relaxed about the notion of driving whilst yelping into a mobile telephone.
But when I ask if their view would change if they discovered that the pilot of their SunSeeka jet was howling into one of these appalling devices whilst on final approach to an airport the consensus was, "That's different!"
It isn't!
The most effective way to deal with improper use of mobile telephones is to bring back public stocks and let the public have their say with over-ripe tomatoes.
34

A Leither,

27/02/2008 12:58:14
Was once nearly wiped out by a woman texting as she tried to drive out of the access road at work. She never once looked up. She then proceeded to drive straight across the roundabout on the road she pulled out onto, and hit the kerb on the other side straight-on. Only then did she look up from her text. Unbelievable.
35

Wee Keef,

On the phone 27/02/2008 13:00:13
#10 etc

We have to listen to your stuff a lot on these comments boards and a great deal of it is knee jerk nonsense. Yes we get it - you will not be happy until all speed limits are removed, petrol is free and everyone else has to get out of your way.

But today you are just plain idiotic. Using a hand held phone while driving, whether to talk or text, is wrong. There is no possible argument in your favour.

Please take your trolling elsewhere for a day or so.


36

Bob 2,

27/02/2008 13:04:20
nice to see the Commentors today have ruffled your feathers today and your on the old Soap Box

Comment 27 sums it up

and comment No23 shows us the REALITY (real live)

"Petrol Head,

Try reading these and reconsider what you've written.

http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/tm_objectid=17778247&method=full&siteid=50081&headline=death-crash-lorry-driver-reading-text-name_page.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/5252872.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7222690.stm

No doubt these drivers thought it wouldn't happen to them."
------------------
Someone has been killed (manslughter) by someone using a mobile, explain there DEATH to there families.
They knew it was dangerous and illegal, but they though different and didn't have any regard for other road users.

The perfect driver is someone who never drives after passing their test.
Everyone is capable of making a mistake as there is no such thing as a perfect driver.
37

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:06:39
#28:

"just wait until some pillock drives into the back of your car one day whilst they are chatting on a phone and you will soon change your opinion"

No I won't. If someone runs into the back of me for ANY reason it is their fault. I'm not interested in why they did it, just that they did it and I'm only concerned that they pay for the damage. Anyway, how can you run into the back of someone if you are stationary at the lights?


#29:

"Research has shown that using a mobile does distract someones ability to concentrate on the road."

No it doesn't. Research shows that if you forcably distract a driver then their standard of driving MAY become worse. Using a mobile phone is not necessarily a forced distraction. If your ability to drive is compromised by any outside influence, then you should remove that influence. If you don't bother to do that then you are probably guilty of driving without due care and attention and should suffer the consequences.

The law was fine as it stood. We do not need a law to "help us to avoid breaking the law". We do need to be treated as idiots. We can make our own minds up.

38

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27/02/2008 13:07:22
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39

Bob 2,

27/02/2008 13:11:33
37 ....will finish your comment "We can make our own minds up. to break the law"
40

Calum Crubag,

27/02/2008 13:11:50
#10 - law breaking ned. One death is one too many.

Or to use Highoctaveheid's logic... Why not just get rid of laws altogether? No cops either. This would really be progress.
41

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:13:59
Bob,

I can also post links to reports of avoidable deaths in road crashes. I bet that if I wanted I could find far more reports of deaths caused by causes other than mobile phone use.

The majority of drivers who use mobile phones whilst driving are PERFECTLY SAFE. I have already stated that there are a minority of incidences where using the phone has directly caused the crash but in the main, it does not even cause a hazard.

Prior to this money making madness (60 x 200 x 12 = 144,000 in Edinburgh alone) there were perfectly good laws (which still exist) that indirectly governed the use of mobile phones whilst driving. This put the onus on the individual and it worked. Tell you what. I want that onus and responsibility back.
42

Calum Crubag,

27/02/2008 13:13:59
Where's all the Daily Mail readers who advocate Saudi type justice here? Or are some lawbreakers more unequal than other?

Maybe Not-alternative Octogon Heid should have his hands lopped off?
43

Bob 2,

27/02/2008 13:14:20
no37
Anyway, how can you run into the back of someone if you are stationary at the lights?

simple, the chap behind is hit from behind by a car, that then pushes his car into yours and it happens all the time.


44

Brian Ferrari,

27/02/2008 13:15:43
I find using my mobile phone while driving much easier than changing a CD. Or opening a bottle of water, or unwrapping a Mars Bar.

I would wager than many more people are killed as a result of a driver operating their radio/CD. Difference is that you can prove that a mobile phone has been used by telecom records.
45

Bill MacD,

27/02/2008 13:16:39
Anyone using a phone while driving should be banned for life. If they're so stupid and so selfish as to put their own momentary convenience over risk to innocent people's lives, they don't deserve the privilege of a license.

And while we're at it, when will hand-free kits be banned too? It's nonsense that these are legal, when it's just as dangerous as holding a phone. (That's a fact by the way, not an opinion.) When I see a driver talking on the phone rather than concentrating on the road, it makes me want to spit in their face for their disgusting lack of care for anyone else.
46

Bob 2,

27/02/2008 13:17:31
PERFECTLY SAFE. until they hit someone

and what happens when it indirectly causes one,

someone on there mobile brakes late as they've been distracted, the car behind brakes, the car behind hits the second car.
And the man on the mobile drives off unaware what he's done

goodbye for now
47

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:18:20
I was waiting to cross Queen Street a couple of weeks ago when I saw a woman with long blonde hair driving a small sports car along really quite briskly. I particularly noticed her hair because she was using her left hand to hold it straight and her right hand to operate a sizeable hairbrush. I can only assume that she was steering with her knees. Luckily, I don't think she was using her phone at the same time, unless it was hands-free.
48

roadstohell,

leavingheresharpish 27/02/2008 13:19:23
Well, using the phone to chat is one thing, seen today on my daily commute along the bypass,(by motorcycle), gentleman in car, head down looking @ sth, get alongside, he is texting on his phone, AND !!!!! watching a DVD on a wee telly screen on the central binnacle !!!!!!!!!!
I got past him sharpish, and put as much road between him & myself as possible.
I notice at traffic lights etc, when I ride past the waiting queue of traffic nearly all the heads are down texting away on their mobiles, have a look next time, you will see what I mean. NUTS CRAZY MADNESS, these folk assume that nothing happens when you stop @ lights etc, everything just "freezes", any good driver knows this is NOT true, the situation changes by the second.
I'm Scunnered
49

roadstohell,

27/02/2008 13:21:42
I find using my mobile phone while driving much easier than changing a CD. Or opening a bottle of water, or unwrapping a Mars Bar.

I would wager than many more people are killed as a result of a driver operating their radio/CD. Difference is that you can prove that a mobile phone has been used by telecom records

erm check the legal situation here, ALL of the above activities can be construed as "careless, or driving without due care & attention" it's all in that wee book "The Highway code"
I'm scunnered
50

Brian Ferrari,

27/02/2008 13:22:55
#49

Precisely. So the law already covers it.
51

roadstohell,

27/02/2008 13:30:29
"Why don't we ban, radios, heaters (don;t want anyone distracted by a heat vent!!)electric windows, sat nav and passengers from cars that's surely the only way we can be sure we're not distracted as drivers.."
Hey sounds like you are describing motorcyclists, a group of road users that have taken the advanced driving course and tests a factor of 10 times that of drivers !!!!!
52

Brian Ferrari,

27/02/2008 13:37:33
What is it with motor cyclists?

They have this holier than thou attitude about driving (see roadstohell), but as soon as they get out into the countryside they think nothing about opening the throttle up and driving at 100mph+ just for the sheer thrill of it.

Their egocentric hypocracy beggars belief.
53

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:44:44
#37
"No I won't. If someone runs into the back of me for ANY reason it is their fault. I'm not interested in why they did it, just that they did it and I'm only concerned that they pay for the damage"

And what if they injure you? It is getting on two years now and I still have problems with my neck from the whiplash I got in an accident with someone their phone. The masses are not capable of doing two things at once so unfortunatly such policies as described above are required. You may think you are so perfect and special but not everyone else is quite as capable as you think you are just think yourself lucky you have not yet suffered at the hands of one of the irresponsible.
54

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:45:23
#53
Sorry, could have done with a bit more puncuation there.... :-)
55

gerrymvfr,

berlin 27/02/2008 13:48:05
Being a egocentric hypocracy (motorcyclist) see 52

I was out on my bike in slow moving traffic passing
a car driven by a moron texting I slowed to the car
speed for about three or four minutes, only when I
chappeed the window did she notice me, what chance someone crossing the road in front of her these people
who use mobile phones while driving!.
Do you really think you are that important!!, get a
live.
56

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:55:15
Bob:

"simple, the chap behind is hit from behind by a car, that then pushes his car into yours and it happens all the time."

In the context that you are talking on your mobile and therefore, according to some here are "driving dangerously" (or should that be "sitting stationary dangerously"), what is the significance of that comment? Are you trying to say that if you were not on your phone then you would be able to avoid being launched forward into the car in front when you are hit from the rear?

It seems that people are making a lot more of this than is necessary so maybe I should be a bit clearer. We don't need hypothetical scenarios, scare stories or the like. All we need is a little common sense and logic.

1. When you are driving, you should be in full control of your vehicle
2. To do this, you need to maintain a level of concentration, both conscious and subconscious.
3. The demands when driving vary greatly. Sitting in a slow-moving queue of traffic is far less demanding than driving down a motorway in freezing fog at night for instance.
4. At times when the demand for driving is less, then the spare capacity may safely be used for other things such as having a phone conversation---PROVIDED you keep driving as the priority and when the demand ramps up, you end the conversation.

At the end of the day, it is all down to using your common sense. Chanting mantras and being up in arms about worst case scenarios is not the answer. The answer is to use your common sense.

The vast majority of motorists have enough sense to know when it is, and is not safe to use a mobile whilst they are driving. We should trust their judgement and not attempt to railroad everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

As for the comments about sat-navs and DVD players... It is already against the law for a TV screen to be visible to the driver. Why are manufacturers building cars that have the capability for the driver to watch a DVD? Regarding sat-navs, we nee
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:57:17
"...but as soon as they get out into the countryside they think nothing about opening the throttle up and driving at 100mph+ just for the sheer thrill of it."

Isn't that what country roads are for??? ;-)

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Liz,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 13:58:43
#57
"The vast majority of motorists have enough sense to know when it is, and is not safe to use a mobile whilst they are driving."

I wish this were true, but it is not and you know it.
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MyricaGale,

Angus 27/02/2008 13:59:15
When driving 100% concentration on driving is "driving with due care and attention".

Fully agree with larger fines and more points. I'm sick of seeing truck drivers, car drivers etc. hanging on to a mobile in one hand whilst trying to steer round a corner with the other.
Why on earth do they think they're that important???

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Brian Ferrari,

27/02/2008 14:00:53
#58

You miss the point.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 27/02/2008 14:02:36
Cube their cars with their phones in them. It's the only language they'll understand.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 27/02/2008 14:05:48
Fuel Head expectorates: "IT IS NOT NECCESSARILY DANGEROUS TO USE A MOBILE PHONE WHILST DRIVING"

Given that Fuel Head has to extract his head from his behind to use his phone,it's probably safer in his case.
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Angus R,

27/02/2008 14:07:49
Driving whilst using a mobile is more dangerous than not using one - anyone (even you High Octane) can't argue that. Its just unfortunate that a lot of drivers are just incompetent whether they use a phone or not. The law should just tackle crap driving full stop.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newnxtn 27/02/2008 14:12:10
I've change my mind. Fuel Head is ricght. I'm textjng thds whlr drvng nd itsh nt don me ny h
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 14:13:45
Yeah thats right Fernando... just like it's not necessarily harmful to your health to drink gallons of beer every night.

I remember a conversation some time ago along those lines in which you were involved to a great degree.

Don't sweat! I agree with your stance on drinking.

There are far too many assumptions made nowadays and restrictions imposed because of them... Can't do this. Can't do that. Can't do the other. All because there is a small chance of an idiot causing himself/herself or somebody else a problem because they can't get it right.

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yorkshirepudding,

hfx 27/02/2008 14:15:40
"The message is getting across but we still see people flouting the law. Sometimes the same person is caught twice in a few months."

Little bit of a contradiction in terms...???

A very very silly manner to earn yourself 3 points and a fine. We live too much by our mobile phones. All those people with bluetooth head sets it's like a scifi movie to me.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 14:19:39
Angus,

The law USED TO just tackle crap driving. I agree 100% with that principle. What I do not agree with is having to obey mindless laws that are designed to stop me breaking other laws by imposing a rediculous amount of over-cautiousness on me.

The law on mobile phone use when driving was far better and more palatable when is was a set of guidelines. Rather than just saying "don't" they should educate those who need educating as to the type of situation when it is and is not safe to use a mobile.

For instance, the guidelines tell you not to overtake on blind bends, brows of hills etc. Millions of people overtake, but in the main, they do so safely. We neither need nor want additional laws banning overtaking. Double white lines where needed are adequate enough. Why do we have to suffer a mobile phone ban?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 27/02/2008 14:19:58
Calum asks: "Where's all the Daily Mail readers who advocate Saudi type justice here?"

Strangely The Prophet (blessed be Him to Allah) neglected to mention the issue of use of portable telephones while piloting motorised transport. I'm guessing that He'd have been against praying to Mecca while driving (at least without pulling over safely at a convenient oasis) so we can probably take the phones thing as read.
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 27/02/2008 14:20:02
Is it ok to fart while driving?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 27/02/2008 14:21:57
Fuel Head ejaculates: "Yeah thats right Fernando... just like it's not necessarily harmful to your health to drink gallons of beer every night"

You might think so, but just try driving home afterwards. I can hardly work the buttons on my damn phone.
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AD in sunny Livingston,

27/02/2008 14:26:02
#70 Dave - only if you have both bum cheeks firmly on the seat. Lift one and you've had it!!!

;o))))))))))))))

@(__)
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 27/02/2008 14:28:18
AD!!!!!!!! hahaha

How the H are you??

Coffee? Yes please!
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AD in sunny Livingston,

27/02/2008 14:29:32
Absolutely spanky here - things are good and the weather's fab today!

How are you and your squad??!

@(__) Java!
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 27/02/2008 14:32:58
Coming out of the doldrums nicely thanks. Had some hellish weather recently but thankfully the days are getting longer so can get out and about a bit more.

Kids n wife all very grand thanks for asking!

Java will do nicely!

Sorry folks, carry on.....
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`Side show bob,

27/02/2008 14:34:17
Well the police can not be doing their jobs properly if they are only catching 200 motorists a month braking the mobile phone law.
As a regular shopper at Farmfoods, i often see at least a dozen motorists braking the mobile phone law on my way to frozen heaven.

BTW has anyone tried the Farmfoods 75p frozen Lemon curd cake? i highly recommend it when entertaining friends, when they ask about it i just tell them i got it from Waitrose.
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AD in sunny Livingston,

27/02/2008 14:43:18
#75 Glad to hear it Dave!

#76 lmao @ u!!
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mr mans long lost brother with man boobs,

27/02/2008 14:52:38
plink plonk sluur parr
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Fanling,

Taiwan 27/02/2008 15:01:30
#10 and #12 Petrolhead, and wherever else.

Your attitude is typical of those whose reckoning is that other road users are just a bloody nuisance to your selfishness. If you have a mobile clamped to your ear then one hand is out of driving use for a much longer period than when changing gear or flicking a switch. I tried it once and once only on a deserted country lane and that was sufficient to inform me it wasn't a great idea. But nobody can tell you differently, for you are superior to every other driver.

As a long time ago former motorcyclist I can generally commend bikers' road sense. Yes, there are idiots among them, but on the whole they are a safer bet than arrogant fools in 4-wheeled vehicles who flout the law as they effectively deny themselves an essential aspect of vehicle control. Your stupid aside #58 just about sums you up. When home, I drive a narrow country road. It has miles of bends either side of a primary school. I and others have to be on extra alert at certain times of day as one after another bloody great 4x4 forces me close to the ditch. When I count the number of sociopaths among them using mobiles while driving this road it frankly amazes me that these people actually have children at the school to which they are driving to and from.

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Macskive,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 15:46:07
Driving while on the phone can be dangerous and is a specific offence. Other things such as changing a cd or being distracted from driving are covered by Careless/ Dangerous Driving offences. Simple really!!

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an interested party,

27/02/2008 16:00:51
a straight up fail by the moralists today i see, i ask simple question (of simple people) and get a moralistic answer

driving without due care and attention
dangerous driving

cover the offence quite nicely

what next a specific crime of picking ones nose
or (a policeman's favourite )scratching ones 4rse

ho hum
and for the hard of understanding I DO NOT CONDONE using a mobile whilst driving
although evidently it can be achieved without serious consequences

omfg the moral police are at it again
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dancingbear,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 16:13:57
Sorry but 'Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head' is correct, the law already covers mobile phone use with 'driving without due care and attention'. The cops don't need another law. The parliamentary time wasted on getting this law through could have been better spent.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 16:15:51
It would be nice if the polis had a crackdown on *real* crime sometime.

BTW I don't drive and I don't have a mobile 'phone, so I've got no vested interest in this.
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Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

27/02/2008 16:43:04
Serious question: is it against the law to engage in self-abuse while driving? If it is, then I've got news for the owner of a blue Ford Mondeo.
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mrmoneypenny,

27/02/2008 16:59:59
# 68 .For instance, the guidelines tell you not to overtake on blind bends, brows of hills etc. Millions of people overtake, but in the main, they do so safely. We neither need nor want additional laws banning overtaking'

So you can safely overtake on a blind hill.

YOU ARE A RETARD.
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earnabob,

27/02/2008 17:05:10
Whilst a vehicle is moving the driver should not use phones, radios or any other device they have inside their little mobile pleasure palace.
Everyone is arguing with Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head, but I don't know why they can be bothered - he's in the group of elite motorist who thinks he is right and no one else is remotely qualified to tell him what he can do in his car.
Yes the previous laws covered this - but since it was becoming so apparent people couldn't give a damn about breaking it they brought in stricter laws to try and get the arrogant motorists to pay attention.
I have no sympathy with any of them and think this particular treatment should be extended to cover the driver using any other gadget whilst in a moving vehicle (smoking included - I've seen a driver drop a lit cig on his lap and almost crash).
One of the reasons I never learned to drive was because of all the maniacs and figure I am marginally safer in a large bus shaped object (even if it is piloted by a maniac) as it has much better crash survival potential versus a car.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 27/02/2008 17:08:39
I can't be the only one thinking we need a ban on mobile phones in pubs.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 17:15:55
#85:

Mr Monneypenny, please try engaging your brain before activating your fingers on the keyboard. My point was that the guidelines on overtaking are abided by, by the majority. Sorry, maybe it was too complex for you to make the connection. Forget I said it.

#75:

"Your attitude is typical of those whose reckoning is that other road users are just a bloody nuisance to your selfishness"

...which is just where you are wrong. You are assuming far too much. I SUPPORT measures to improve road safety provided that they put the onus on the road user (not just the driver) to increase their skill level and think more. I ABHOR lowest-common-denominator dumbing-down measures whcih in the long term have a negative effect. I also ABHOR the creation of laws "to stop people breaking the law" which is exactly what this law is---and a chance to make money into the bargain.

You also appear to have no sense of humour, which for a biker is strange. It may surprise you to know that I am STILL a biker as well as being a car driver and I know that the only way to survive on the roads is to use your brains and wits---not blindly obey rules. And no, I don't treat country lanes as race tracks when I'm out on my bike.

Fernando: Lol!
Sometimes I have difficulty finding the phone in the first place!
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/02/2008 17:23:18
#87:

I don't think you are Fernando.

And they shoudn't have tellys in them either. Pubs are for drinking as much decent beer as possible in as short a time as possible. Why would you want to distract from that?
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roadstohell,

Home & glad 27/02/2008 17:24:03
Case in point :

Edinburgh black cab driver of cab 1*2, 16.45 the Grange today, u were so busy txting on ur phone u swung out of side street without looking, then proceeded thru a red light with kids from Jimmy Gillespies crossing already !!!! You did not flinch, why cos u did not notice cos u were txting on ur phone , Middle aged gent with glasses receding hair, green jumper, do u recognise yourself ???
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Boswall,

27/02/2008 17:26:48
earnabob

"One of the reasons I never learned to drive"

Failed your test eh?
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roadstohell,

27/02/2008 17:29:01
lot of silly & peurile cooments about a serious subject-shame
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Boswall,

27/02/2008 17:30:14
mrmoneypenny

"So you can safely overtake on a blind hill"

No, I think you actually covered that permutation in the quote you used.

Pi11ock.
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roadstohell,

27/02/2008 17:37:17
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLerBeShfKM
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roadstohell,

27/02/2008 17:46:11
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m5QqKP2N7zE
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Bob 2,

27/02/2008 17:49:13
High octane

It seems that people are making a lot more of this than is necessary so maybe I should be a bit clearer. these are not hypothetical scenarios, scare stories or the like. these sort of accidents happen all the time.

You are also starting to contrdict yourself..

Maybe you sh