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Temperature rises 'will be double the safe limit' for global warming



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Published Date: 01 September 2008
IT IS "improbable" global warming will be kept below 4C – double the rise considered safe to avoid climate catastrophe – according to an influential new report.
Internationally, it has long been agreed governments should be aiming to keep a global temperature rise below 2C, to avoid climate change spiralling out of control.

However, a bleak new study by scientists at the Tyndall Centre, a leading organis
ation for climate change research at the University of Manchester, now suggests we should be adjusting our expectations towards far higher rises.

It warns carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will almost certainly stabilise at levels of at least 650 parts per million (ppm), which is roughly equivalent to a four-degree temperature increase.

The authors write: "Given the reluctance, at virtually all levels, to openly engage with the unprecedented scale of both current emissions and their associated growth rates, even an optimistic interpretation of the current framing of climate change implies that stabilisation much below 650ppm is improbable."

The authors say even stabilising levels at 650ppm will require industrialised nations to "begin to make draconian emission reductions within a decade".

They argue "planned economic recession" would be needed to keep climate change at this level, unless a way can be found for economic growth to go hand in hand with unprecedented rates of reductions in carbon emissions.

One of the report authors, Dr Alice Bows, agreed the study is "incredibly worrying". She added: "We are certainly not on track for a two-degree temperature increase at the moment. We are much more on track for a three to four-degree temperature increase and we need to be thinking about what that actually means."

According to the 2006 Stern review on the economics of climate change, a four-degree temperature rise could lead to up to 300 million more people being affected by coastal flooding each year, a 30 to 50 per cent reduction in water availability in Southern Africa, and up to 50 per cent of animal and plant species facing extinction.

Dr Richard Dixon, director of World Wildlife Fund (WWF) Scotland, said an increase of more than two degrees could mean a "tipping point" is reached. "That's when you get to a runaway situation," he said. "The big systems of the world start to go wrong when you get beyond two degrees."

However, he thinks the report is at the "bleak" end of the spectrum and believes there is still reason for optimism, as long as firm targets are set at the United Nations climate change conference in Copenhagen next year.

"Certainly, if there's not a good result at Copenhagen, the two-degree target will look impossible," he said. "There's 18 months of optimism to hold on to. If by Copenhagen it hasn't been addressed then it will look very bleak indeed."

The report, Reframing the Climate Change Challenge in Light of Post-2000 Emission Trends, comes as separate research, due to be published in Nature Geoscience today, will warn that the expected rise in sea levels due to melting Greenland ice has been seriously underestimated.

Scientists argue it could be double or triple what is currently forecast over the next century.





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  • Last Updated: 31 August 2008 10:02 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Global Warming
 
1

truthsleuth,

01/09/2008 01:11:52
The earth will survive accelerated climate change but will the human race.

Even petrol heads, airbrains and motormouths need the earth but the earth does not need them to survive.
2

truthsleuth,

01/09/2008 01:25:16
The deniers will simply ask for more proof.
They're like the drunk out walking in the hills. It gets dark when he meets four locals walking the other way.
Three of the locals tell the drunk he's walking towards a 600 foot high cliff. The other says no problem its the easiest way to get down the mountain.

The drunk says I need proof from you three but the other one must be telling the truth.
3

tomi,

01/09/2008 02:34:26
More BS from the "Save the Earth" Scare and Propaganda machine! The earth does not need to be "saved"
But; Yes, we should be good stewards of it (not her!")

But this modern day hysteria about CO2 is nothing but a modern Witch Hunt.

Northern Europeans, including the British, ought to be happy if the climate got a bit warmer!

Just think!! We would cause less CO2 emissions heating our homes.
4

Maisie from Morningside,

01/09/2008 02:52:06
@1+2 or those folk who have their CO2 guzzling computers on all night........

You know who I mean.
5

Itchy,

01/09/2008 06:35:30
"IT IS "improbable" global warming will be kept below 4C – double the rise considered safe to avoid climate catastrophe – according to an influential new report."

More communist mumbo jumbo.

#2 "The deniers will simply ask for more proof.
They're like the drunk out walking in the hills. It gets dark when he meets four locals walking the other way."

You are the denier. 'Climate change' is just a convenient excuse for the goverment to fleece us with more taxes and for recycled communists and fascists to try to get in by the back door.
6

Brad Arnold,

St Louis Park 01/09/2008 07:29:57
Sadly, even the 4C rise is an underestimation, because Siberian permafrost is melting. There is a frozen bog in western Siberia the size of Germany and France, containing an estimated 500 billion tons of carbon. Much worse, there is underwater permafrost off the Siberian coast the size of six Germanys that contain an estimated 540 billion tons of carbon. Both are melting fast, and will emit vast quantities of methane, overwhelming any cuts we make to our emissions.

Luckily there is a simple and cheap way to cool down the Earth immediately: just add a little sun dimming aerosol to the upper atmosphere. Carbon dieting is unfeasible; we won't be able to stop rapid ecosystem collapse without geoengineering.
7

Brad Arnold,

St Louis Park 01/09/2008 07:34:01
"In the permafrost bottom of the 200-meter-deep sea, enormous stores of gas hydrates lie dormant in mighty frozen layers of sediment. The carbon content of the ice-and-methane mixture here is estimated at 540 billion tons. "This submarine hydrate was considered stable until now," says the Russian biogeochemist Natalia Shakhova, currently a guest scientist at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks who is also a member of the Pacific Institute of Geography at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Vladivostok. The permafrost has grown porous, says Shakhova, and already the shelf sea has become "a source of methane passing into the atmosphere." The Russian scientists have estimated what might happen when this Siberian permafrost-seal thaws completely and all the stored gas escapes. They believe the methane content of the planet's atmosphere would increase twelvefold. "The result would be catastrophic global warming," say the scientists." --"A Storehouse of Greenhouse Gases Is Opening in Siberia," Speigel, 17 April 2008
8

Unimpressed one,

01/09/2008 07:45:59
#2, This is an deniers' article written for the deniers. The temperature has levelled off over the last decade and continues to drop, despite emissions increasing. Still the warmists deny this indisputably inconvenient fact.

"It warns carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will almost certainly stabilise at levels of at least 650 parts per million (ppm), which is roughly equivalent to a four-degree temperature increase."

This statement is absolute rubbish and it is claimed to be accurate then the 'scientist' who makes it should be severely censured.

When will the media report the true facts and not report the rantings of people who just want to believe but know the evidence is stacking against them?
9

SouthernSkye,

01/09/2008 07:47:19
A temperature rise of 2 degrees over what period? Just 2 degrees over an infinite time-span? of course that is impossible!

As to the less rain in Africa quote, I would have though that a warming up of the planet would induce greater condensation and form more rain coulds? Is this not so?
10

Boy Wonder,

01/09/2008 08:08:31
The Earth is having a shift in its orbit. It does that ever few thousand years. This is actually more severe than "global warming". Parts of the land masses will submerge and others will rise from the seabed.

Tell your children's children to be prepared to evolve gills as they become citizens of New Atlantis.
11

mike - across the pond,

2 words..... 01/09/2008 08:22:33
garbage "science"...
12

sceptic,

livingston 01/09/2008 08:51:07
"One of the report authors, Dr Alice Bows, agreed the study is "incredibly worrying"."
Poor Alice has good reason to be worried with the current financial situation and her funding coming up for revue!
13

thinking,

Scotland 01/09/2008 09:00:26
According to a recent report, burning, underground coal fields in countries such as America, India and China are producing more co2 than the entire human population.
Various attempts to put them out have been unsuccessful as they spread too far underground.
14

drew 33,

duddingston 01/09/2008 09:10:11
Gosh,just in time! We needed another scare story to replace the incredibly worrying fairy tale about shrinking Arctic Ice in 2008. Turns outG that Northwest Passage we were looking forward to has just been postponed....again.
15

traprain,

01/09/2008 10:36:56
"Temperature rises 'will be double the safe limit' for global warming"
No Problem! Just get Gordon Brown to increase the limit.
16

Guga II,

Rockall 01/09/2008 10:47:34
Only 4 degress C, and here was me hoping for something like about 10 degrees C.

These junk scientists never seem to get anything right.
17

Andrah,

Embrugh 01/09/2008 11:08:01
Having had to switch my central heating on in both July and August I feel compelled to respond to this tripe!

There has been no appreciable warming of the planet since 1997 --- indeed, arguably, even a slight cooling. In the period before that, there did appear to be warming, and I seem to remember getting regular summer roastings. Prior to that in the 70s, I recall the media running a big scare campaign that we were entering into another ice age! However you cannot develop "science" on such whims and very short timescales.

There is no doubt that the earth's climate changes, it always has and always will. However what I just cannot take on board is that this is truly linked to a few extra ppm increase in man-made CO2 emissions when you consider the sheer complexity associated with all the parameters and variables that affect the climate. The big worry now is that with the debate now being stifled and shut down by a number of leading institutions (including our so called national broadcaster, Al Beeb), politicians and other interested parties, including scientists now have a deep vested interest in keeping the CO2 myth alive at all costs. Billions are at stake in the new industry, including university research grants, funding for NGOs etc as well as a massive tax bonanza for governments.

We do only have one planet and finite resources however, so we need to maintain a focus on the hierarchy of sound environmental management principles (eliminate, reduce, reuse, recover, protect) without wrecking our economy in the process. Energy security is paramount, and we need to develop smart technologies (together with new build nuclear) to supplement/replace carbon energy sources which will run out, and in any case often reside in the hands of rather unsavoury regimes.
18

11+failed,

the pans 01/09/2008 11:29:05
With the global mean temperature down 1.2°F in 10 years it is gratifying to read the measured tones of a nicely balanced science based article devoid of the usual global warming hyperbole which many find so depressing. Just a few examples of the cool detached scientific tenor of the piece.
'will be double the safe limit'
"double the rise considered safe to avoid climate catastrophe"
"climate change spiralling out of control."
"a bleak new study"
"planned economic recession"
"the study is "incredibly worrying"
"300 million more people being affected by coastal flooding each year"
"50 per cent of animal and plant species facing extinction."
"a "tipping point" is reached"
"you get to a runaway situation"
"the "bleak" end of the spectrum"
"it will look very bleak indeed"
"has been seriously underestimated"
"it could be double or triple what is currently forecast"

Seems the article allays my fears about falling temperatures!
19

Alexander,

Edinburgh 01/09/2008 12:19:41
The really worrying question is, will a 4C rise in temperature be sufficient, or come soon enough, to save Scotland from becoming the icy wasteland forecast to arrive from 2010 due to the imminent failure of the Gulf Stream, suggested 5 years ago by our self proclaimed "world class" scientists at the National Oceanography Centre Southampton. I note that "world class" has now been dropped from their blurb along with the 30% reduction in flow of the Gulf Stream which they "detected" over an 18 month period.
20

John Cameron,

St Andrews 01/09/2008 12:34:09
I thought we were supposed to be living in a scientific age. How can such pseudo-scientific lunacy be given any credibility whatsoever? There must be amoeba on Mars with a greater understanding of climate change than the Global Warming Obsessives among the Chattering Classes.
21

E300,

01/09/2008 13:40:53
Atmospheric CO2 in 1998 was 0.0365% average temperature 14.8°C currently CO2 is 0.0385% and temperature 14.0°C. On present trends CO2 will be 650PPMV by 2061. Presumably by then the temperature will be down to 9.25°C.
Absolute rubbish of course, rather like the extravagant extrapolations of the global warming brigade.
22

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01/09/2008 13:44:21
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23

eyeswider,

here and now 01/09/2008 18:02:57
#E300 I would fund your research above theirs.

Over and above the anecdotal weather reports worldwide this year such as the earliest snow on MT Fuji (since observations began in 1894), snow in Baghdad for the first time in living memory, "uncharacteristic cold" in Anchorage, Alaska and many more, we have this report:

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a788582859~db=all

"Computations based on the adiabatic theory of greenhouse effect show that increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere results in cooling rather than warming of the Earth's atmosphere."

Do not expect mainstream coverage of this - but I am certain that shrill voices will "debunk" this science in favour of the Tyndall Centre's total junk plea for more funding.
24

Media 1,

cape town 01/09/2008 18:48:33
Yawn! Whether we were here or not would change nothing. The world will warm, the world will cool and there is nothing us mere humans can do to change it, speed it up or slow it down
25

ptdoug,

01/09/2008 20:57:03
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26

yoric,

01/09/2008 21:04:02
Given the cold damp summer my part of England has had this year, a 4 degree rise would be welcomed.
27

meltonmark,

Maidstone, Kent 01/09/2008 23:13:01
Always remember:
1)Ethics are highly soluble in negative cash flows.
2)Research favours the funder.
3)The search for funding determines the design of the research.
28

truthsleuth,

01/09/2008 23:34:38
Communists under the bed
poor old Gordon
You Deniers must be getting irate when all you do is trot out the usual scare stories from your Ministry of Truth
For heavens sake lets have some new data from you and not the usual diatribe to bolster the confidence of your failing supporters.
29

Itchy,

02/09/2008 00:10:30
#28 so how come communism is always put forward as the 'solution' to 'climate change'?

'Climate change' is a cretinous term, implying that humans have the power to control their climate.

As for 'ministry of truth', why do you think that virtually every government on the face of the earth pays at least lip service to 'climate change'?

It's because the whole thing is a convenient excuse to raise taxes and increase state power.
30

Richard Lionheart,

22/09/2008 00:23:53
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