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Extra cash needed for free school lunches



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Published Date: 03 October 2008
EDINBURGH primary pupils could miss out on the Scottish Government's promise of free school meals after council chiefs said they would need extra cash to pay for the policy.
Education Secretary Fiona Hyslop announced yesterday free lunches for all P1-3 youngsters would be rolled out across Scotland after pilot schemes were judged a success.

But Edinburgh's education convener Marilyne MacLaren said it would be "very di
fficult" for the city council to implement the policy without more government money.

Her stance puts the council at odds with the Government and local authority umbrella organisation Cosla, who both insist cash to pay for the meals had been included in the funding settlement agreed at the end of last year.

Cllr MacLaren said: "We will be looking at the Scottish Government's proposals to introduce free school meals for all P1, P2 and P3 pupils but we believe that the implementation of such a policy will be very difficult if insufficient additional money is available to fund it."

The cost of free school meals for P1-3 has been estimated by officials at £30 million for the forecast 70 per cent uptake and up to £46 million for 100 per cent uptake. One estimate put the cost for Edinburgh at between £2m and £3m.

The Scottish Government insisted councils had agreed, when they signed a concordat with the government in December, that if the pilot was a success, free meals would be extended throughout the country and the money for it had been included in their budgets.

And Cosla education spokeswoman, and SNP councillor, Isabel Hutton said: "This is clearly an agreed concordat commitment and therefore the funding is included within the overall package."

But Edinburgh was not alone in warning extra cash would be needed to pay for the free lunches.

Angus, Inverclyde, North Lanarkshire and East Dunbartonshire all said unless the Government provided more money, other services would have to be cut to pay for the policy.

And Labour's education spokeswoman Rhona Brankin accused the SNP of creating a "crisis in local government".

She said: "The SNP are shirking their responsibility as a government. Fiona Hyslop is demanding councils deliver free school meals without providing the money to pay for them."

A spokesman for the First Minister said councils had signed up to deliver the meals. Asked what would happen to a council failing to deliver the meals, the spokesman said: "We're not prepared to make that assumption."





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  • Last Updated: 03 October 2008 12:20 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Schools in Edinburgh
 
1

Linmal,

Livingston 03/10/2008 12:17:29
I think this is scandalous. Why exactly does the already hard pressed Council Tax payer have to help support someone else's children? Surely only children who really need this should be given free school meals? I mean, parents in Barnton, Corstorphine, Morningside, etc, you cannot honestly tell me that they cannot afford to pay for their child's school meals? Yet another daft idea from the SNP at Holyrood. Easy seen its not their money they are spending.
2

Resolutions,

03/10/2008 12:24:08
May I point out to Edinburgh and other knee jerk reaction councils, that they have til 2010 to plan, prepare COST and so on for this for ALL P1 to P3.?

As for this comment
"I mean, parents in Barnton, Corstorphine, Morningside, etc, you cannot honestly tell me that they cannot afford to pay for their child's school meals? Yet another daft idea from the SNP at Holyrood. Easy seen its not their money they are spending."

They may be able to pay, but are you sure that their kids are being fed adequately?
Seems other countries who had a massive health problem, offer FREE meals to all school children and as a result health is improving.
Surely ALL our kids deserve the equal treatment and chance of a meal too? And we ALL contribute towards the cost of improving health.
3

Linmal,

Livingston 03/10/2008 12:27:30
#2 Yes, all children do deserve to be well fed but as a parent I always took that to be my responsibility not the government, local or otherwise.

And as for being sure if people in those areas are feeding their kids properly, well surely professional people, as they must be to live in such areas have enough common sense to know how to look after children, or at least the nanny will!

So, no, I am not in favour of paying to feed the children of people who are well able to do so themselves. They are probably already paying for their child's school meal and the status quo should therefore continue.
4

Journalistic licence,

Dinner Hall 03/10/2008 12:33:17
Why would you need extra cash for a free school dinner? Surely if it was free you would need less cash. Duh!!
5

alex paterson,

edinburgh 03/10/2008 12:34:07
A bowl of soup and a salad aint costing that much.
6

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 03/10/2008 12:43:31
Marlyne MacLaren should check the COSLA Concordat before she issues comments. The money to pay for free school meals is included in the allocation in the concordat, this is what it is all about, no ring fencing but councils agree to provide certain services. She will just have to learn to use her budget and balance the books like the rest of us.
From the concordat - "Free school meals – In 2009-10, provided the evaluation of the trials is positive, legislation will be introduced to allow extension of the nutritious free school meals to all pupils in P1 to P3. Assuming the legislation is passed, local authorities will provide free school meals to all P1 to P3 pupils from August 2010."
7

Mrs M,

Edinburgh 03/10/2008 12:44:48
I'm with #1 here.

Having just gone into P2 my son would benefit from this for 2 years but I don't support the idea.

My Husband & I make more than enough money to pay the £1.75per day for his lunch. There are children who badly need the free school meals & they should continue to recieve them but the council shouldn't be paying for kids who's parents can comfortably afford to do it.

If the MSP's are so keep to give away cash then they can give the school my son's £1.75per day for the next 2 years. I'm sure the funds will be put to good use.
8

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 03/10/2008 13:06:15
I vote #1 as well
9

Duncan in Edinburgh,

03/10/2008 13:24:05
Edinburgh is just one of many councils starting to realise that the concordat COSLA signed with the government on their behalf was a huge mistake. Some people have been saying so for quite some time...
10

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 03/10/2008 14:42:09
Aye, ask Aberdeen Councillors what they think of the Concordat. The whole thing was a con in which Cosla officers shamefully colluded to save their own positions.

This school dinners nonsense is just the Gnats buying votes with a populist gimmick for which Councils, and ultimately Council Tax payers, will have to stump up. Bit like the free hospital parking wheeze really - appear to give the voters something for nothing and leave Health Boards to deal with the financial shortfall.

The education budget is there so that children can be taught. The cost of feeding them properly falls to the parents. Longsuffering taxpayers should not have to subsidise well-heeled yummy mummies in Barnton and Merchiston.

More Gnat smoke and mirrors - 16 months of all talk, no walk.
11

Howard Moon,

03/10/2008 15:08:23
#10

Ghengis, only a politician would ever use the phrase 'Longsuffering tax payers'. I take it you are a Labour politican? And at least get your story straight - either the Government are 'all talk and no walk' or they are 'buying votes with populist gimmicks'. I don't see how they can be both.

Anyway, what's the big deal? I got milk when I was at school.
12

Skip McClendon,

03/10/2008 15:21:55
I can undestand both sides of the argument here.

I realise that many people (including myself) can afford to pay for their own child's meals. Therefore, it makes sense to concentrate free school meal provision for those children whose parents are not as able to pay for school lunches.

However, the move to provide free lunches to ALL pupils is also about removing the stigma associated with free school meals. Many children from poor backgrounds are unwilling to claim their free lunch, due to the stigma often attached. It can make them a target of taunting and bullying, meaning that they would often rather go hungry rather than claim a meal for free. By making all meals free, you remove that possibility. The pilots have shown that take-up of meals from children from the poorest backgrounds (who have always qualified for free meals) increases substantially when all their peers also receive free meals.

It's a difficult problem to solve. Smartcards which can be swiped at tills are another way of solving this problem. With a cashless transaction, no-one knows who is getting their meal for free and who is paying.

Removing the stigma of free school meals is a laudable aim. While I am not a fan of most SNP policies, I cannot complain when they seek to ensure that the children from the most disadantaged backgrounds receive at least 1 healthy, hot meal a day.
13

fresian,

edinburgh 03/10/2008 16:01:27
If parents then choose to provide their kids with packed lunches or even take them home for lunch, will the education authority then threaten them with a child protection order as the schools know best!!
14

Linmal,

Livingston 03/10/2008 16:19:07
#13 Exactly. If you have children then you should be responsible for them. Yes, I agree, there used to be a stigma re school meals but all that would be necessary would be to issue "dinner" tickets as they did when I was at school - to all pupils taking school dinners and then there would be no problem or just give a list to the dinner hall supervisor. Simple, but I'm not a teacher and they never think logically. Everything has to be complicated so they are seen to be thinking things through!
15

Porty Belle,

03/10/2008 20:27:18
Personally I think that the quality and certainly the presentation of school meals need to be much improved before I would even consider letting my kids eat them - free or not! The meals are presented in a most unappentising way, all slopped onto a tray not on a plate. It hardly encourages children to enjoy their food. It is also often very spicy eg curry, fajitas. What is wrong with plain simple food like mince and tatties or chicken and gravy? Food doesn't have to be fancy for children to enjoy it. Plain wholesome healthy food is what should be offered for school lunches. Until then, my children will continue to enjoy a home prepared packed lunch.
16

MummyWease,

03/10/2008 21:22:30
Oh come on Marilyne, you aim to close 2 schools and sell the land of all 3 for around 5 million pounds so surely that will pay for these free meals.

Then again you may need to pay off these "cr*p teachers" from these small schools like you stated at the 2 public meetings. So may be she could fund them out her own pocket.

If anyone needs to find a new job it's McLaren!
17

MummyWease,

03/10/2008 21:22:52
sorry 3 schools
18

Sing when you're winning!,

Edinburgh 04/10/2008 12:04:37
#4

Haven't you heard 'there's no such thing as a free lunch!'

The Council have to pay the separate trading organisation for providing the meals to schools
19

MummyWease,

04/10/2008 16:37:19
Maybe we could have an honesty box like the city chambers. The children would ensure that the money was all there. They are at the end of the day more honest that the councillors.
20

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 17:49:03
I think this is a reflection of the poor way Salmond and the SNP are managing Scotland. Notice the sudden increase in free school meals since they took charge of the country. This goes to show how many families are now living in poverty. Shame on the SNP voters - you have caused this problem.

 

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