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Published Date: 12 May 2009
MORE than £8 million needs to be spent on Edinburgh's "disgusting" school toilets to bring them up to scratch, a new report reveals today.
A survey carried out by council officials has found that £3m is needed immediately to upgrade 20 "priority one" school loos, while a further £5.4m will have to be found for the rest.

The review of all toilets in city schools was ordered by education director Gillian Tee last year after parents at Tollcross Primary highlighted the state of its facilities by showing her photos of burst pipes, live wires, broken toilets and cracked sinks.

The school's toilets have now been upgraded, along with those at St Mark's and St Cuthbert's primaries and Portobello High, but there are dozens still desperately waiting for improvements.

The situation at St John's Primary in Portobello – one of the five schools awaiting rebuilding or refurbishment under the "wave three" programme – has become so bad that parents are considering paying for the upgrades themselves.

David Manson, chairman of the school's parent council, said: "I have never before experienced toilets that are so disgusting that they could be smelled before they are seen, like at St John's.

"I can quite believe toilets are like this across the city, particularly those in the older buildings, and I welcome the initiative to invest in them but I would like to know when this will happen.

"We are now at the stage where we are asking the parents to do the toilets themselves. They need more than just a lick of paint – they need a new ventilation system.

"We wonder how long it's going to be before someone gets ill using the toilets."

The toilet upgrades are likely to begin in some priority schools during the summer holidays, however it will take several years before all facilities are brought up to the required standard.

The survey report reveals that "many school toilet facilities are in need of a full refurbishment".

Fountainbridge and Craiglockhart councillor Gordon Buchan, who campaigned for the toilets at Tollcross Primary to be upgraded last year, said the lack of ongoing maintenance has resulted in "£8m going down the pan".

He said: "That's pretty serious stuff. If this is the attitude to health and safety, what else is lurking out there?

"To let children's facilities get that bad is a pretty sad indictment. The ones in Tollcross were brutal."

City education leader Cllr Marilyne MacLaren said: "Everyone needs access to good quality facilities when nature calls but toilets aren't always top of the agenda, which is why I think they've been neglected in the past.

"We are building up a rolling programme of investment. It's a big job, but we've started and it's important we continue."


The full article contains 462 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 12 May 2009 9:50 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Schools in Edinburgh
 
1

Skip McClendon,

12/05/2009 12:09:44
"It's a big job, but we've started and it's important we continue"...

A big job? Nice turn of phrase there talking about the toilets, Marilyne...

I'm sure the Cooncil will manage to "squeeze out" their ridiculous tramline before they give the kids acceptable loos in their schools.

This Council's priorities are a joke.
2

Velcro,

12/05/2009 12:12:21
Don't forget "£8m going down the pan"
3

Foo,

12/05/2009 12:18:36
Sat date 21.217.2

Captains log:

Big brown and smelly.
4

Tuco,

12/05/2009 12:19:38
#2 More than £8 million down the pan with the trams project.
5

Skip McClendon,

12/05/2009 12:24:13
#4

They've probably spent more than that on PR advisors, napkins, fibreglass trams, and new stickers to constantly update the "estimated completion date" signs at all the tramworks...

Personally, I think TIE/CEC should have gone without all those things and spent the £8M on giving our kids clean toilets.
6

The Barred O' Leith,

East Kilbride 12/05/2009 12:24:54
''We are now at the stage where we are asking the parents to do the toilets themselves.''

Ooer missus.
7

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12/05/2009 12:27:09
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8

Cod,

12/05/2009 12:32:20
Busted flush.
9

Austin Bowels,

International Man of Dysentery 12/05/2009 12:43:09
When I am caught short there are plenty of holes in Princes Street and Leith Walk needing filled. If Edinburgh's schoolkids did the same, the Council might take notice.
10

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 12:56:24
It makes you want to ask what the toilet facilities are like in the City Chambers, CEC HQ and all buildings owned by the Council where staff are employed. You can bet their facilities are a lot better than those these poor children are having to put up with.

Never mind, as they used to say:-

"If at first you don't succeed, pull yer tramline o'er yer heid".

This Town Council certainly has its priorities right!!

11

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 13:12:41
#11 GT

This mess didn't just arise in the last 2 years, so the SNP/Lib Dems are not entirely responsible. However, if you look at the history of controlling political parties in the CEC, you will find that historically this has largely been Labour (gone, but not lamented).
12

Lala Land,

12/05/2009 13:21:03
Why is it that no one ever listens to Tony? He seems quite sensible to me.
13

Foo,

12/05/2009 13:26:46
No GT, you're a bitter old troll who insults at the drop of a hat then comes over all offended when someone responds in kind. You are universally hated on these boards. I urge you to leave and never return.
14

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 12/05/2009 13:35:03
TONY! stop talking ,what these kids do on the floor
your starter for 10 "what begins with a "P" and ends in "H" four letters and you sir talk a load of it
answers to
help my brains melting due to gorgie tony
the strap down ward
loonies are us
royal ed
edinburgh
15

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 12/05/2009 13:37:22
hands up who think GT is a failed ex labour activist/moaner
16

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12/05/2009 14:00:52
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17

The Spook,

Behind You! 12/05/2009 14:15:51
#14 GT did you not sense the irony in #13.....
18

Cupid Stunt,

12/05/2009 14:23:45
Dont listen to them Tony! You are the smartest person on this site. We should get together some time.
19

Smasher,

12/05/2009 14:51:34
Have a good look at the photo above and tell me what's wrong with these toilets? They look more than adequate to me. Children these days are over pampered. They don't know how lucky they are compared to African children. They have to wee in a bush and may get eaten by Lions or Zebras.
20

Foo,

12/05/2009 15:26:28
I think that photo could appear on this website

http://www.entrances2hell.co.uk/
21

Incandescent,

12/05/2009 15:32:16
#14 G-Tone

I'll pay attention to your comments and views when you tell me:

a) The calibre of your "war pistol" and
b) If you have ever held a full UK driving licence
22

Incandescent,

12/05/2009 15:34:38
"A survey carried out by council officials has found that £3m is needed immediately to upgrade 20 "priority one" school loos"

Does anyone else think an average cost of £150,000 for a school loo is a wee bit expensive?
23

Alice in Embraland,

12/05/2009 15:35:20
#22
Also the door of Tony's place in Gorgie.
24

Foo,

12/05/2009 15:38:08
24

Hohoho, a wee bit expensive? Wee? Oh forget it.
25

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 16:25:05
#25 & #26

It is plainly to do with cashFLOW.

26

dig dig,

12/05/2009 16:49:47
When I went to St John's Portobello many years ago now the loos didnt need ventilation there was no roof on them maybe the girls ones had a roof but not the boys, but they where always clean
27

MacKenzie,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 21:23:58
One thing that you can guarantee is that the teachers toilet facilities will not be is such an appalling state.

Health and Safety at Work regulations insist that employees (ie.teachers) toilet facilities must comply to certain basic requirements, such as having hot water, soap and towels.

There are no such legal requirements for the facilities provided for pupils, and as a result, there is frequently no hot water, no soap, hand towels and in some cases even no toilet paper.

Unfortunately this failure cannot be attributed to any one political persuasion. It seems to have been overlooked by a succession of administrations, each one turning a blind eye to the situation.

As the article suggests there are many school toilets across Edinburgh that could benefit from an update, but, smelly toilets, however old they are should not be a feature of any school.

The only reason that toilet smell is a lack of proper cleaning. Regardless of the age or condition of a toilet fixture, if it is clean it will not smell.

The nasty niff in toilets is caused by bacteria breaking down the waste matter. Clean toilets = no nasty niff.
28

elayne,

12/05/2009 21:26:49
the school lavvy in the picture looked pretty rank,,,,what was that "water"???? do they still have that slimy cracked black encrusted carbolic soap in school bogs?
29

is it me?,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 22:00:42
This is all down to headteachers insisting on the total annual budget being divided up and apportioned to each school, According to size.

So they're individually in charge of their own funds.
Then, after they buy their pencils and paper and coffee machines from their share, there's nothing left to do any routine maintenance, which is at the heart of sorry situation.

It's a hangover from the old LRC days, (no other dept works like this)

What do teachers know about building requirements?
They don't seem to notice until they let it fall into this shocking state.
30

is it me?,

Edinburgh 12/05/2009 23:05:07
I've posted the same opinion several times.

Why does no teacher respond ?

Are they all complicit? (look it up teacher).

Or are they all too thick?
31

Optimistic Meg,

city centre 12/05/2009 23:27:07
I was one of the parents who presented to the Children and Families Committee about the Tollcross toilets (those in the featured picture) For those of you who may doubt the disgusting state that they were in I can assure you that they were appauling. Our children deserve the right to use sanitary facilities that are clean and safe.
32

Skip McClendon,

13/05/2009 10:44:59
#31, #32

- Maybe they don't respond to your rants because they are busy teaching classes? Or because you are talking mince? They just don't want to mock the celebrally challenged? Just a thought....and yes, I suspect it is just you...
33

Mallory,

Edinburgh 13/05/2009 11:49:29
Hope that was a supplied pic - wouldnt do for journalists to be snapping inside school lavatories would it?
34

is it me?,

Edinburgh 13/05/2009 13:50:01
#34

"celebrally" ?

...aye, right !

 

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