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Published Date: 05 October 2006
MARY-LIZ Miller and her sister, Lina, did everything as a team - playing, praying, and learning together in the little country schoolhouse amid the cornfields of Pennsylvania.
Today, they and two friends will also make their final journey together as the four bodies, dressed in their best white pinafore dresses, are carried by horse-drawn carriage to an Amish cemetery and buried in a simple ceremony conducted in German dialect. A fifth will be laid to rest tomorrow.

But the funeral services will not focus on the children in the coffins, or on the bloody schoolhouse shooting that led to their deaths. In keeping with Amish tradition, they will focus solely on God - and on forgiveness for the killer.

"There's a very deep ethic within the Amish community, that they are raised on from small children, that you forgive your enemies," said the Rev Bob Schenck, president of the National Clergy Council, who has visited families of the victims, as well as relatives of the gunman, Charles Roberts.

In one home he visited, the parents of another victim, 13-year-old Marian Fisher, had been praying over the body of their daughter, which was laid in a coffin in their bedroom, while also shuttling back and forth to hospital to keep vigil for her younger sister, Barbie, 11, who was in critical condition.

"As we were standing next to the body of this 13-year-old girl, the grandfather was tutoring the young boys, saying that 'we must not think evil of this man'. It was one of the most touching things I have seen in 25 years of Christian ministry," said Mr Schenck.

Marian's parents said in a statement: "We don't know or understand why this happened, but we do believe God allowed this to happen. The rest of us, our lives will go on. We will try to work together to support and help the families directly involved."

Meanwhile, new details emerged yesterday of the horror that unfolded inside the West Nickel Mines Amish School near Bart, Pennsylvania, after Roberts, 32, appeared at the front door, acting oddly.

"He stood very close to me to talk and didn't look in my face to talk," said Emma Mae Zook, the school's 20-year-old teacher.

Then he backed his truck up to the front door and began unloading weapons, tools and planks of wood. Miss Zook and her mother, who was visiting the class, bolted for the door to raise the alarm, while her sister-in-law Sarah, and Sarah's pregnant sister, also Emma Mae, 21, remained with the children.

Roberts ordered a nine-year-old boy to run after the two women, threatening that if the child failed to bring them back he would start shooting. Then he told the adults: "You ladies can leave."

Minutes later, Roberts also ordered all the male pupils to leave. As they filed out, they heard the pounding of a hammer as he boarded up the doors and windows to trap the remaining ten girls inside before executing them as police arrived.

Roberts' parents, Charles and Teresa, said in a statement. "This horrific event at the hands of our son is beyond comprehension. We request that you keep the Amish community and our family on God's throne."

Last night, five girls remained in hospital, at least two of them in critical condition.

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  • Last Updated: 05 October 2006 12:42 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Gun crime , School shootings
 
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Kitti Kat,

usa 05/10/2006 00:25:13

I live about 45 minutes away from Lancaster. The Amish are hard working and wonderful people. It is sad that in a one room schoolhouse something that usually happens in large high schools would happen there. Unfortunately, the times we live in are far different that those of the Amish who are trusting and careing people. The outside world has showed its ugly face in Lancaster, PA.Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of all the victims and those of the shooter's family , who had nothing to do with this horrible event. I could not be as forgiving to the shooter as those people are.

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American Hero,

SW Ontario, Canada 05/10/2006 02:28:33

My wife and I live in a village which has many Amish living the same way as in Lancaster County in the USA. They are also shocked about what happened, no more and no less than any other tradgedy, but echo the sentiments expressed by the Amish in The Scotsman's article above. They are a wonderful people and integrate well in our village society.

My wife and I emigrated from Scotland 9 years ago and we are well accepted by our local Amish community, which is a privilege.

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srider,

Palm Springs, CA USA 05/10/2006 02:45:26

I grew up on the edge of the Amish country and am very familiar with their customs. These decent, hard working people tend to keep to themselves and never do harm to anyone. They are peaceful people, and their kind forgiveness of this terribly twisted man proves that the Amish are completely sincere in their pacifism. I hope they can find peace.

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Sarah Ann,

05/10/2006 02:58:47

This is so sad. These people only want to live their way, away from the evil of the outside world but the evil came into their world and shattered it. I wish them well.

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waheed,

Pakistan 05/10/2006 05:11:19

I read the news killing of inocent children, was very sad. How a person could kill a child. I never heard that kind of act in Pakistan Pakistan is famous for the country of extrimists but killing children is something that a mind cant accept. In Islam Taking revenge is the right of accused but forgiveness is better.
Regarding this act is I will say is worse then the twin towers attack.

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Doreen,

Glasgow 05/10/2006 08:18:48

I am only going by what I have already read but it sounds to me as if the guy had flipped. This is the second case of a pervert molester holding girls hostage and (in one case sexually molesting them) shooting them. In Glasgow we have this poor polish woman who was murdered and her body hidden in a church. Monsters really do exist and they walk amongst us. My heart goes out to the parents of these children, their relatives, friends and the Amish community.

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billengland,

england 05/10/2006 08:58:23

My thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families and their community at this time.
Would that others in the world could follow the example of the Amish!

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Robert,

Kirriemuir 05/10/2006 12:01:31

All the thoughts and prayers of the Amish people did not stop their God from perpetrating evil.

To forgive is tantamount to saying it is okay to do this so carry on regardless, which, of course, is 'bull'! There has to be an 'or else' factor to criminality and penalties, such as imprisonment, while it does not cure, does, however, deter although the degree of deterence and the control it exercises is not readily measurable.

All the piety of the Amish people simply proved that their God is not a respecter of individuals nor of groups nor of anyone else.

To survive in today's society then a little paranoia, vengence, and to be quick-on-the-draw, helps. If we are not, then Fascism rules when our lives would be an expendable feature to those who choose to dislike us. There is no God, only Mammon.

This guy may have been ill but this is no excuse for his behaviour. It is too easy to blame such action on some divine creature, or the failure of society, or parental abuse or rejection, or the missing gene, or the unconscious, and to forget that this act was deliberate and deserves to be treated with contempt. Our compassion should be shown only to the victims and their families.

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JT,

Edinburgh 05/10/2006 12:05:01

Im not a religious person by any means, however my heart and thoughts go out to the whole Armish community, as even they cant prevent evil walking amongst us. Also my thoughts go out to the polish community in Scotland. I know that if someone did that to someone I cared for or loved, I couldnt forgive them, I guess its only the truely brave that do that.

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Vivian,

USA 05/10/2006 12:27:04

What an unthinkable tragedy! To the person from Pakistan that said this is worse than the Twin Towers, I think it's equal to. When a monster goes after an innocent person and murders them, there's no difference.

I can't help but wonder if the Amish SAY they forgive the creep that killed their children, but inside the hate percolates. It's only human nature to lash out when you've been so hurt. If they truly CAN forgive, they're better than I.

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billengland,

england 05/10/2006 13:06:14

Robert 8

I understand what you are saying, and why you are saying it, but I disagree on some fundamental points.

It was not God who perpetrated evil, it was mankind.

Forgiveness generally requires repentance, even then it is hard to do. If there is no repentance, then you have to seek understanding and turn the other cheek if necessary. Violence begets violence, and there is too much of it around already.

I don't think there was any attempt to blame God for what happened. Christians believe that our life and the world we live in are gifts, and that it is up to us what we make of them. If you truly love your God and your fellows, then life is wonderful.

Religious utterances over! I hope nobody is offended by my remarks.

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ecofriendly,

05/10/2006 13:17:03

Robert message 8

Prayers and piety did not save these children, no. But God did not pull that trigger. Man is given free will and this man chose his path in life. We often blame God for "letting" things happen, but would you not complain also if He were to control every aspect of your life like some giant puppet master?

I have nothing but praise and admiration for these people who are doing what we are all asked to do by forgiving the sinner - that does not however mean they condone the sin.

I am sure that people feel much compassion and sorrow for the families. And surely they have the right to feel that same compassion for the person who commited the awful act. They have faith that sustains them through times like this - I pray that my faith would do likewise, but I doubt I could forgive this action in their position. That makes me wrong, not them.

How dare you stand in judgement of these people. They believe that God will take vengance on the man who killed their children. You have no right to ridicule them for their faith and beliefs because you yourself do not adhere to them.

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ecofriendly,

05/10/2006 13:19:38

Bill - message 11

Hear, hear. It was heartening to see a fellow Christian (or at least I assume you are) posting.

The evil act was a man-made act not a Divine one.

And please do not feel you should have to apologise for standing up for God.

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Aoda,

Pennsyvania 05/10/2006 20:01:39

There are many Amish families living where I do. They are hardworking, and religious people. My sympathy goes out to the victims and survivors of the tragedy. Knowing them as I do I am not at least surprised that they forgave the maniac. I can also believe that they will help his family. They are a people that live each moment of day observing God's laws and commands and by the teaching of Jesues Christ, our savior.
They will pull thru. Being a firefighter I have seen other tragedies happen to them but with their undieing love of God they made it thru.

15

Robert,

Kirriemuir 05/10/2006 22:10:44

Some disturbing comment from readers who appear to have a hot-line to some diety and believe that they are the only ones competent in making judgement or that the Amish people are the only ones who work hard in this life. Comment like 'violence begets violence' is a meaningless platitude whereas its opposite may be closer to reality.

I was compelled as a child to listen to a fable about this guy from Nazareth who said on his death bed something like, "Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do', surely a big mistake as it has given Christianity the licence to perpetrate such acts ad nauseum and hence the state of today's confused society.

On becoming adult I shed my peurilism (ceased reading fiction etc) as I began to perceive not what was said to be happening nor what appeared to be happening but what was actually happening and there is a difference. How some can believe a text where its genesis is spurious is difficult to comprehend. Religions are political movements designed to win the battle of the mind and hence George Orwell's treatise in his book "Nineteen-Eighty Four".

As it is so often quoted in the great US continent, 'some people need to wake up to smell the roses'! If we wish to live in relative freedom from abuse then the perpetrator of this act needs to be condemned and not glorified as some would have him.

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Sharon Kay,

Vancouver WA 05/10/2006 23:14:42

To Robert #8:

You have just demonstrated how little you understand the Amish. They forgive because that is what God commands us as Christians to do. They also have a saying "hate the sin, not the sinner"....nor, do they believe that God in his infinate wisdom perpetrated such an act of evil upon them.

People choose to act with evil intent. The Amish's attitude has nothing to do with piety and everything to do with forgiveness and giving and receiving unconditional love (the two thing you must be willing do/give to enter the kindom of heaven).

Your solution has nothing to do with survival and everything to do with being part of the problem.

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Robert,

Kirriemuir 06/10/2006 00:12:39

Sharon,

The late Dr Samuel Johnson observed that scoundrels hide behind patriotism and in this, he was not alluding to the love of one's country.

When you and I meet at the "otherside' you sound as if you will be disappointed at remaining so teflon-clean in this secular existence of ours.

Hate the sin and not the sinner? Surely there would be no sin if there were no sinners so possibly we should start at the beginning and give mythology its due desert.

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Kiwi Rob,

New Zealand 06/10/2006 01:46:50

To Robert - No.8 :

In fact, to "forgive" is to let go, to release yourself from what the other person has done to you. By forgiving someone the wrong they have done you, you are setting yourself free from their having continuing power over you. If you do not forgive, who is the one continuing to be hurt? Only you, not the offender. This is something I find I need divine help to practise, each & every time. "To err is human, to forgive - divine"!
There is another benefit to the forgiver, also: The Lord's Prayer states "Forgive us our trespassers, AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US" : in other words, if we claim exoneration for our own misdeeds from a just God, we must honour our part of the deal & extend the same forgiveness to others!!

19

Matt,

USA 06/10/2006 04:39:32

Robert 8

We should all be praying for Robert.

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billengland,

england 06/10/2006 06:58:18

Robert 15

I take it that you are an atheist, which is an extremely difficult religion to practise.

If you truly believe that religions are political movements designed to win the battle of the mind, then I wish you well in your struggle. You have not won me.

I don't think there has been any suggestion by the Amish that the perpetrator of the crime should not follow due legal process and be condemned by the courts if appropriate. The succeeding atonement and repentance would be a prerequisite to full forgiveness.

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Robert,

Kirriemuir 06/10/2006 12:22:58

As I do not hold grudges against anyone and even when abused or attacked how then does one require to forgive? Control, however, in society is imperative while forgiveness is divine only to Lilliputians. Some of the comments arising are astoundingly peurile and illogical.

I would doubt if atheism is a religion; it probably is more connected to a few liberated minds whom, like myself, regard the angel Gabriel as a womanizer. I wonder why this God gives commands to some who see themselves as the 'chosen few' and not to others? Could we others be life's rejects and if so where is this forgiving God?

All that the Amish group has done is to opt out of the responsibilty to keep abreast of the progress of the 21st century. Some people need to awake from their medieval slumber. Institutionalised thought processes serve only to hinder progress.

Within psychological circles it is generally accepted that overt behaviour is compensatory. Why then do some have a need for a divine being in their lives; could it be a substitute for the absence of parental control or possibly to hide the evil that is within them which they might feel possesses everyone?

As Fitzgeral's Khayyam says: fools, your reward is neither here nor there!

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billengland,

england 06/10/2006 13:33:22

Robert 21

To further quote Fitzgerald:
The moving finger writes, and having writ, moves on: nor all thy piety nor wit can lure it back to cancel half a line, or all thy tears wash out a word of it.

The Amish are dealing with their tragedy in their own way and moving on. Their beliefs work for them, and who are we to criticise?

You feel that forgiveness is unnecessary but embrace control. I would have thought that a free spirit like yourself would take the opposite view.

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Robert,

Kirriemuir 06/10/2006 14:49:58

Bill, am I actually criticising or possibly making an observation by reflecting back the hubris so far expressed?

Where, for example, are the institutions of total control? One need not look further than orthodox religious groups.

I do not advocate that forgiveness per se is unnecessary only that it is not appropriate in some cases and in this one, where the act was so deliberately executed, such compassion is misplaced.

While it is recognised that the Amish are dealing with this tragedy in their peculiar way, it cannot be determined that they are moving on; only time may determine this.

What Khayyam was implying in the verse quoted was that whatever happens, no one is likely to alter it, so the Amish tribe are not as perfect as they might mistakingly believe and their forgiveness is not about to alter circumstance. I get the feeling (but stand to be corrected) that you might have forgiven the serial killer Dr Harold Shipman for callously taking the lives of something in excess of 400 of his patients!

I do believe that I am entitled to make comment without coming under attack by religous bigotries who desperately need to prove their worth in this life.

There exists only three evils: patriotism, religion, and snobbery, and Christianity embraces all.

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billengland,

england 06/10/2006 16:32:05

Robert 23

Just to tie up a few loose ends as it were as I have to go now.

The institutions of total control used to be the religious groups, then it was monarchies, then governments; now it is big business that runs the world.

Forgiveness is always appropriate provided that true remorse is shown and that restitution is made to the victim. Forgiveness generally benefits the victim more than the perpetrator.

It is interesting that you mention Harold Shipman. As I understand it, he genuinely believed he was doing the right thing so it is unlikely that he would show any remorse and hence there would be no forgiveness. This would make things harder for the victims' families.

You have every right to make comment without coming under attack, as we all have.

You will be aware of the seven virtues and the seven sins oulined by Christians. You are saying that all evil is caused by patriotism, religion and snobbery; I would agree that some evil is caused by misguided application of these three entities, but the list is by no means complete.

Christianity by definition embraces religion; I cannot see that it embraces patriotism or snobbery, quite the opposite.


 

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