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Published Date: 02 November 2007
A MASSIVE audit of Scotland's seas, to discover the health of fish, animal and plant stocks, has been ordered by the Scottish Government. The first State of Scotland's Seas report will play a central role in the development of a marine bill to protect sea life.
In an interview with The Scotsman, Richard Lochhead, the environment secretary, said he had "been made to realise the responsibility on my shoulders ..." by The Scotsman's Save Our Seas campaign "... to look after what is one of the planet's most precious resources right on our own doorstep".

This paper is calling for the creation of a network of marine reserves and protected areas around the coast, along with a system of marine planning to organise human activity, and for control of conservation of the sea to be devolved to Scotland.

Less than three weeks into the campaign, almost 800 people have e-mailed their support or sent in a coupon published in the paper.

Mr Lochhead said: "Full marks to The Scotsman for so spectacularly illustrating the importance of the marine environment to Scotland. Not only has it been educational, but it's been extremely balanced and it's certainly given me a lot of food for thought."

He revealed: "We have commissioned a report from government agencies. To support work on a Scottish marine bill, we require good, up-to-date environmental information to use as a baseline upon which we can measure progress towards delivering a greener Scotland for the marine area."

Three major government agencies involved in the sea - Fisheries Research Services, Scottish Natural Heritage and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency - have been asked to produce an initial summary of the latest findings by the spring.

The report will bring together the results of "ongoing scientific monitoring programmes ... on the condition of our seas", Mr Lochhead said, and includes such details as "the seasonal patterns of water temperature, nutrients and phytoplankton".

It will be concerned primarily with the health and environmental aspects of the sea, he added, but may also contain details on the economic value of the sea to Scotland, estimated at £14 billion in previous studies.

In addition, a new organisation - a successor to the Advisory Group on Marine and Coastal Strategy, which reported in March - is to be set up to provide further advice on marine issues.

Mr Lochhead said the current assessment was that the marine environment was "generally good", but he stressed the need for an effective marine bill amid the growing use of the sea.

"There's virtual unanimity in Scotland that we need a marine act for Scotland and we want that bill to be meaningful and appropriate," he said.

On the first day of The Scotsman's campaign, we highlighted the lack of protection for waters around St Kilda, despite it being one of only 30 world heritage sites.

Mr Lochhead admitted: "I think that's a real cause for concern and that is something I'm looking at. If there is a weakness in existing legislation, perhaps St Kilda is one example of that. We do have to seriously consider those areas of our seas that deserve the utmost protection - and that may include marine reserves or similar regimes."

He stressed that this was the start of the consultation process and that he did not want to "pre-empt Scotland's views on these matters".

Mr Lochhead said the Scottish Government was "arguing vigorously" for devolution of the seas.

He said the bill should give Scotland control of the sea out to 200 miles, adding: "It's the best way to protect the marine environment."

He continued: "It allows us to have a joined-up approach to Scottish waters."

However, he expressed concern that "turf wars" between Whitehall departments might undermine the forthcoming UK marine bill, with a "hugely detrimental" knock-on effect on Scottish legislation.

He warned: "If departments within the UK government prevent a UK marine bill addressing certain issues in English and Welsh waters, then it is highly unlikely that these same departments are going to allow our bill in Scotland to have certain powers."

Environmentalists broadly welcomed Mr Lochhead's comments and the announcement of the State of Scotland's Seas report.

Calum Duncan, the convener of umbrella group Scottish Environmental Link's marine task force, said: "We welcome this announcement. Such a report can set a benchmark from which we can look at putting in place the appropriate management measures through a Scottish marine bill that can protect and enhance Scotland's marine environment."

Helen McLachlan, WWF Scotland's marine policy officer, said: "It's good to hear the minister is thinking seriously about what really needs to be done to deliver sustainable management for the sea's species, its habitats and its people.

"Let's hope we can see the realisation of a marine bill. The devil will be in the detail, but we hope our recommendations - those outlined in The Scotsman - are secured in that."

Artists lead way on environment


SCOTLAND should learn from artists inspired by this country's "wonderful environmental inheritance", a cabinet minister told the Holyrood parliament yesterday.

MSPs were debating the country's natural and "built" environment and the achievements over the years of artists who had been inspired by it.

Mike Russell, minister for environment, listed a number of leading figures from the world of art and literature such as Sorley MacLean, James Hogg and the Scottish colourists who painted Iona, who had been moved by the natural world.

"We live in a world where we face the biggest challenge that I think any generation has ever faced," he said.

"If we do not care for, love, nurture and change the way we work with the landscape, we will destroy our planet ... unless we take action to sustain rural and urban communities in a way that are truly sustainable."

Mr Russell said the links between biodiversity, language and culture were well understood throughout the world.

"Now they need to be well understood in this country," he said. "We in Scotland have a wonderful environmental inheritance and it is our responsibility to keep it that way.

"If we can learn from those who have celebrated it, who have made it and will go on making it, then we will do well."

Labour's Des McNulty agreed that Scotland had much to celebrate.

"We have, of course, all been proud of the natural and cultural heritage we have inherited," he said.

"Our spectacular scenery, our iconic species, our literary and artistic heritage and our regional and local differences are all part of our identities.

"The natural environment and its resources are fundamental to our social wellbeing and our economic success, with landscape being crucial to the success of our tourist industry.

"Scotland's scenery is a splendid legacy left by previous generations. It's vital, too, that we exercise good stewardship."

He called for continued support for Scottish Natural Heritage to protect sites of special scientific interest and nature reserves. But he said that too many Scots lived in a degraded environment, particularly in industrial areas.

Seas campaign has made waves in Scotland


JUST three weeks into The Scotsman's Save Our Seas campaign, nearly 800 people have expressed their support.

So far, 590 of the coupons published in the paper have been returned, in some cases signed by more than one person.

In addition, more than 200 e-mails have been sent to saveourseas@scotsman.com, which was set up for those wishing to add their voices to the campaign. Our campaign coverage will continue until the end of next week, when we plan to deliver the coupons to the Scottish Government. Our intention is to continue highlighting the need for an effective Marine Bill throughout 2008, expected to be a crucial year for legislation at Westminster and Holyrood.

The full article contains 1297 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 01 November 2007 11:41 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Save our Seas
 
1

ed.,

in edin 02/11/2007 01:20:32

The health of our seas is an example of the futility of isolated action by nation states and the importance of common ownership. We are stewards for the world's natural resources and we need concerted international cooperation to turn the tide our destruction.

2

Grandson of Winged Messenger,

02/11/2007 01:24:50

Everyone get on their knees in praise of the mighty Scotsman, saviour of the unionverse.

Oh, thank you Scotsmand for saving the unionverse.

We're soooooooo grateful

Thank you thank you

Let's all be naked!

3

ed.,

in edin 02/11/2007 01:32:34

#2

Let's all be naked!

???

This nationalist thing is more seriously corrupting than even I had previously imagined!

Unless you are talking metaphorically, when I might agree that the SNP should be exposed.

4

C U Jimmy,

East Ayrshire 02/11/2007 01:51:07

Coming soon!

5

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 02/11/2007 04:15:54

#3 Hmmmmm... Maybe #2 is going to get naked to go skinny dipping off Aberdeen. Then he will find out "the true "state of our seas"........

6

allatsea,

02/11/2007 04:26:23

Will the British Gov't allow us to use their fisheries protection vessels for this study? or are we going to international tender again for the supply of this survey?
Interesting that these vessels have been surveying and protecting our waters for years yet we only now feel the need to ask for the data. I can't believe that the data doesn't already exist somewhere in the system!!!

7

Danielrober2,

In London for work 02/11/2007 04:37:56

An audit is the first step required for any sensible actions. However, such a process needs to be controlled by strict contractual regulations. The information gained by the audit team must be conveyed to the government bodies first, not released to pressure groups.

Creating marine national parks such as St Kilda, is fantastic.

But any audit mus have an opening and closing date. Too many reports are constantly extended. Pressure needs to be placed on academics to deliver reports to government and tax payers first, then international conferences.

This process is helped by clear rewards, for academics and auditors. Without clear rewards there will be the old fear that if you end the report you make yourself unemployed.

An Audit of the Seas is a clear professional response to the problems faced. Well done.

8

Danielrober2,

In London for work 02/11/2007 04:40:14

# 6 allatsea

I'm sure the information exists. I'm just not sure if the UK or Scotland has commercail or enviromental access to it.

9

Royster,

02/11/2007 04:45:21

I'm being cynical here but perhaps this is a move to define the sea boundaries between England and Scotland post-devolution.

10

Danielrober2,

In London for work 02/11/2007 05:42:00

# 9 Royster

Most likely. Some effort though could gain benefits for the enrire UK if boundaries and rights are established with other boundaries. Our negociation teams need more information.

11

Royster,

02/11/2007 06:34:57

The problem is it raises questions as to where the so-called boundary actually stands. Is it the current domestic used by the courts or would it have to be renegotiated as a possible future international boundary? Looks like the SNP is trying to pull a fast one on Westminster here (but dressed up as an environmental issue). Anyway, this is Westminster's territory.

12

spiderman,

Argyll 02/11/2007 07:01:53

It is a sound idea to review the health of our coastal seas, its resources, exploitation and pollution inputs from land. But included in the organisations leading the work should be the Scottish Association for Marine Science (SAMS) which is the country's independent academic scientific authority and expert group linked to universities and research councils. Lets not leave it just to civil servant groups and dependent quangos.

13

Boy Wonder,

02/11/2007 07:09:57

We should declare a 3000 mile offshore limit round our country and anything in it, or even wanders into it is ours and we'll have it! There's nothing wrong with a little piracy of our own, especially if it's for the sea's own protection!

Or as Gilbert and Sullivan might say (in an amended fashion) ...

Come, friends, who plough the sea,
Bu&&er navigation;
Steal another station;
Let’s vary piracee
With a little bit more sea!!

14

AbandonAllHope,

02/11/2007 07:49:45

And what will be the outcome of this - a rod licence for sea anglers - easy taxes !

15

Road to the isles,

02/11/2007 07:55:27

#2

Yes it's surprising that 'this newspaper' should call for anything to be devolved given its normal unionist bias (no, I didn't vote SNP) but there you go. Don't understand the naked bit!

16

watcher4,

Edinburgh 02/11/2007 08:10:25

I see the Government want data from SEPA and SFPA etc, the very Agencies they were threatening to close down 2 days ago.

17

Tweedmouth,

02/11/2007 08:31:03

This is all hot air and windy posturing on the part of politicians - of all parties. Neither Scotland, nor the UK have any control over waters within the 200 mile limit - these are European waters. The EU has handed out quotas for these waters to most of the 27 member states, but especially the big fishing-nations: France, Spain, Holland and so on, but even Poland has a fishing quota for the North Sea and the Eastern Atlantic waters of the UK.

The truth is that Edward Heath signed away our fishing and marine rights to the EU back in 1962 ( I think?) and ever since then Brussels has had ultimate control; which is why the fish stocks have crashed again and again and again. The ONLY way to get control over UK waters back is for the UK to secede from the EU and become like Iceland and Norway - defending its own waters by force if necessary. Not one of these lying, wriggling, slimy nationalist politicians would remotely consider leaving the EU since all their romantic plans for Scottish Independence are based on getting their snouts as deep into the Euro-trough as possible. Without membership of the EU, an independent Scotland would be economically unviable - so leaving the EU is a non starter. France and Spain are NEVER going to give up their right to rape UK waters voluntarily - so this is all empty posturing. The wildife agencies will get some marine ecologists and big fat wad of taxpayers cash to 'survey' the sea. But what they are really doing is exactly what they already do onshore - monitor a relentless decline in wildlife species. course they won't admit to that - because they want the £milliond which they get for keeping schtum to keep flowing.

18

neko,

Warsaw 02/11/2007 08:51:11

Britain joined the EC in 1973.

19

A Crofter,

Western Isles 02/11/2007 08:53:52

Are these the same politicians who have steadfastly declined petitions for a proper inquiry into salmon farms over the years? They certainly are!

Lots of green talk, followed by brown action.

It really is time to stop putting economy befote environment. Are any politicians - from local government to EU - up to this challenge?

20

bythesea,

02/11/2007 08:56:47

FRS I can understand for a broad science based overview but the only others being SEPA/SFPA I can't, they only enforce legislation.

As they've already been given a year to write a report on how they may merge over an extended period, what chance a meaningful report in a few months, especially if they do not consult a much wider audience.

That said Mr Lochhead should be congratulated for doing something positive, unlike his predecessors.

A Marine Bill is essential and it needs to meaningful and appropriate and not tilted in favour of those who commercially exploit it - our seas need to have the chance to regenerate.

Otherwise all we'll end up with are more areas like the Clyde - terrific when viewed from above but absolute deserts in reality.

www.ssacn.org

21

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/11/2007 08:59:12

He, he, he. Hootsmon doesn't realise what it's opening up here.

22

Not A Unionist or Nationalist ©,

02/11/2007 09:06:45

I think most sensible people would have no problem with the idea of the audit - where the problem lies is in devolving the power over the seas.

That is one can of worms I suspect that Westminster may not want opened up. What may happen is some sort of joint jurisdiction as happens with farming and rural matters.

23

Alistair Mackintosh.,

EDINBURGH 02/11/2007 09:37:14

Hopefully we will finally get the government to admit what an ecological disaster the salmon fish farms on the West coast of Scotland have been. And an admission that it is these fish farms which have wiped out entire runs of salmon and sea trout in the sea lochs in which they are located.
It is an absolute disgrace that under the previous labour administration little or nothing was done to control the polution from these salmon farms.

24

Logie Almond,

02/11/2007 09:37:21

Commonly known as Richard Blockhead.

25

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 02/11/2007 09:46:29

Minister to officials: Tell me about true state of our seas

Okay then: - They are made of salt water and are all bumpy with fish and things in them. Boats travel on them, I used to get sea sick and now I don't. The sea is wet and tastes funny.

26

Shellfishfarmer,

Inverness 02/11/2007 09:57:37

An audit now and a continuing audit is essential for the health of our seas. What we need is a paradigm shift in how we think about this essential part of our environment. We need more scientific effort, not less, in getting to an understanding of what is happening.

I wouldn't be so sanguine about the current state of affairs. We may still be able to talk about our seas rich in natural resources, but this is only comparitive to our normal appreciation of what we see on land. The losses which our seas have experienced over the past century are truly colossal as we have exploited every square inch. What we need is to take areas out of any exploitation and allow full and permanent protection - natural ecosystems to flourish. It is not rocket science, but it will take political courage.

27

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 02/11/2007 10:05:59

A diver once told me The Clyde Estuary seabed is a virtual desert. that was several years ago so I imagine it is now ten times worse. There were a couple of dead porpise last year in Ardrossan and Seamill which had pretty much starved to death. I think a report on the state of our seas will make very depressing reading

28

Cuthulan,

02/11/2007 10:25:35

Isn't it funny that the more the government ,ministry for fisheries, gets involved in the fishing industry the less fish there seems to be. We will eventually end up with a massive department all looking after one fish,and that would probably be kept in an aquarium under lock and key. Its very simple ,for centuries the local fishermen fished these waters ,they went out in the morning and came back at night. Now we have BIG factory ships that vacuum clean the sea and stay out for months packaging and freezing thier catches until they are full. Whole local fishing communities have been WIPED OUT THANKS TO THE MINISTERY FOR FISHERIES!! It just means there is some guy with the legal power to legislate for the fishing grounds. So BIG corporate fishing companies can pop in any time to see him with a suitcase full of money and a legal document to sign and then the local fishing communities are screwed ,BUT ITS ALL LEGAL (wink wink) Don't even get me started on the Fish farm situation and its effect on the native stocks and the ministry for fisheries effective respose(LOL) How come the Faroe Isles still run thier economy on the Fishing industry and manage to maintain a high standard of living ? A managed zone run by the ministery of Fisheries ,would propably be void of fish before the unmanaged areas ,or am I just being too cynical?

29

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02/11/2007 10:46:39
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30

loose cannon,

N.Lanarkshire 02/11/2007 10:54:22

Boundaries.
9.10,11. While you are at it Richard would you please check the legality of Father of the Nation, the late Donald Dewar's, gifting of umpteen thousands of square miles of Scottish fishing grounds to England.

31

GP,

02/11/2007 11:23:02

Too little too late.
Successive Tory and Labour governments have given away ownership and management of our marine areas.
The seas surrounding the UK are deserts in terms of living creatures and this will only get worse slowly but surely we are now doomed by the followers of Adam Smith.

32

watcher4,

Edinburgh 02/11/2007 11:32:45

Why wont they listen to the fishermen

33

Andy Dufresne,

02/11/2007 11:36:36

The SNP supporters have a big hard cock for the state of our seas. Dissapointing to sea more populist audit's and reports.

34

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 02/11/2007 11:42:50

FISH SWIM. D'you want any clearer definition of their character and nature? You can put them in cages where they'll succumb to lice and parasites and need to be dosed with lethal chemicals - to us too. We now have Industry and Emplyoment now needing massive government subsidies.

Whereas sunlight falls on the sea and generates plankton and sophistication which feeds as all. Fish swim of their own accord to it.

Our seas? I dinna think so. We don't even have our own Coastguard in modern ships (that will go fast enough) to protect it. I used to favour building in aluminium, now I'm a composites man. Conversion happens to all of us. But I'm merely a shipbuilder.

Lawyers expect some special derogation from Brussels to create Marine Conservation Zones after their totally ineffective Quota System which has not conserved one single species of fish. Should we trust them?

Scuba diving in these zones will still be legal, even encouraged or subsidised. For how long?

35

Morue,

02/11/2007 11:42:57

Shellfishfarmer, Inverness

Your contribution to the debate has caught the interest of SSACN members, perhaps you (and other s) would like to contribute your views on our website.
Secretary
www.ssacn.org

36

Cuthulan,

02/11/2007 11:45:20

Hi Andy
"The SNP supporters have a big hard cock for the state of our seas."
Very mature outlook on this topic. If you can't see the importance of this issue and you have NOTHING mature or intelligent to offer please keep your 'big willies' arguements to yourself.

37

Shetlander,

02/11/2007 12:44:46

Let's get out of the EU. It's these wretched Franco-German colonists who've destroyed our seas.
The Scottish Numpty Party are quite happy for Scotland to be a porn in this vast "European" empire.
Why leave a tiny but strong indigenous 'island' union for a massive chaotic dysfunctional "Super State" alternative?

38

Last fish in the Clyde,

Clyde 02/11/2007 12:45:14

#21 &#28
It's good to read stuff from people who know what they are talking about.
Richard Lochead needs urgently to reverse the decline in the marine environment in the Clyde.
The latest Scientific report shows that the Clyde Fishery has Ecologicaly collapsed, that is to say fish no longer play any function in the ecosystem.
Since 1960 Cod & Whiting show declines of 99% with Haddock declining by 95%. The only fishery left for Prawns make the situation even worse by catching all juvenile fish & disposing of them as bycatch.
Governments & Civil Servants have sat on their hands & done nothing but listen to those in control of the status quo for too long (mobile fishing industry)
The only way I see of getting things moving in the right direction are for those responsible for the present situation (Finnie & his Civil servants) to be brought before the courts & charged with crimes against the environment.
Only then will present ministers & civil servants
take the correct action for all Scotlands people not just the few dozen fishermen trying to clean the sea out before they retire or go out of bussiness.

39

Deana,

Canada 02/11/2007 12:55:00

It should be named State Of the Seas...(enbolden the caps).

40

Danielrober2,

In London for work 02/11/2007 13:10:50

# 12 spiderman, Argyll

Just a question. If your orgainisation Scottish Association for Marine Science (SAMS) is not linked either to accademia or government, where do you guys get your funding from?

I'm not been rude, i'm just curious.

41

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 02/11/2007 13:20:16

Waste of money, the seas are under the control of the EU WIZEN UP GUYS the whole things a bogey!!!!!!!!!!!!!

42

Dave M,

02/11/2007 14:26:18

Over the years I have been involved with some North Sea pipelines and, trust me, there ain't too many fish down there of any shape or size.

Once I saw a haddock.

I do think it is a good idea to try to get an overall picture of what is actually there but I wouldn't be too optimistic about what they will find.

43

Olav,

Maryhill 02/11/2007 14:56:25

Fish and birds are great, but remember people also need the sea for trade. Duh! Pratically everything we make or consume has to be transported by sea at some stage. Ports and ships, remember them?

44

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 02/11/2007 16:08:06

-- Franco-German colonists?

The Germans have few modern wet-fish trawlers out o Bremmerhaven but they're hardly big players compared to Norway and Iceland. France pioneered fishing the continental slope and got HIE , grovel typical grovel, to provide the facilities . Of course Scottish entrepreneurs seeing that alot of pouring concrete and trucking were involved were bigly into it too. It was an opportunity that Wickers and Whalsay men would have taken too if A: we had a Government to back it. B: that organised marketing these orange roughies and other deep water fluff. Which are prob fished out tho I saw a big French stern trawler in Ullapool recently which generally looked almost busy with local prawn boats.

Shetlanders THOUGHT they had a special deal with Westminster cause of the oil, but the dirty's been done on them and the Whalsay men have done the best damage limitation they can.

I see larch on oak as on the way out however committed we were to boats that would last a lifetime and more. We have to move on. Catamarans? I've long since worried about anything making money for me (like computers and guitar playing, they don't) and my new build (a tri) is only concerning pure SEX APPEAL.

45

mFIC,

02/11/2007 16:11:52

have such studies not been done b4

46

mick3,

USA 02/11/2007 19:39:43

Way to go, Scotland!

47

Boy Wonder,

02/11/2007 21:39:17

#52. Yes Wini ... and now it's our turn!

So ...

Here's your crowbar
And your centre-bit
Your life-preserver ...
You may want to hit!!!

Welcome to the SS Scottish Seagrabber! Everyone resident in the country is now a pirate.

Johnny Depp would be proud of you all! :D

48

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 03/11/2007 05:54:49

Hello All,

Just a couple of observations:

1. An 'audit' is utterly useless when it comes to 'seas', because it is financially impossible to complete a scientifically accurate 'audit' of any sea. Should the audit pertain to estuaries, coves, 'sounds'(inlets), then it is POSSIBLE, but still financially ruinous to any government (and more to the point, the taxpayers).

2. The Law of the Sea Treaty is a complete and total abrogation of National Sovereignty. My nation is currently contemplating becoming a signatory to the L.O.S.T., and most Americans are against said treaty.

Unless every Brit is willing to get his/her pay cut in half, there is NO financial way to do a true 'scientific audit' of even a large portion of the North Sea, much less the whole thing.

Now, if all you want to do is to get some basically limited oceanic samples, from a VERY limited area, using restricted criteria, THEN you'll do quite nicely by running out some oceanic study vessels and coming up with some 'feel good' data, to make the paper pushing twits of the Scottish and British Govts. feel quite nice, put smiles on their faces, and allow the Scotsman to give all and sundry, a hearty "Well Done!"

Scientifically of course, such data will provide ZERO meaningful information as to fish stocks, environmental conditions, problems, and potential solutions to same.

It'll make all the Greenies just ecstatic of course, aiding the birthrate to no end.

Cheers from the Rockies


 

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