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Scottish bases 'helpless' in face of Soviet attack



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Published Date: 23 March 2008
A MOCK Soviet air attack left UK defence chiefs with faces redder than a Kremlin banner, declassified documents have revealed.
The bungled Nato exercise took place at the height of the Cold War and simulated a Soviet fighter plane attack on key Scottish and UK sites. But vast areas of the country failed to notice the "invaders" and would have been helpless in the face of a g
enuine attack.

The files, compiled by the UK Warning and Monitoring Organisation (UKWMO) and stamped "Secret", give an inside account into Exercise Wintex, which took place on March 14, 1977. The Government documents, at the Scottish National Archives in Edinburgh, state:

"Conventional attacks were made against a selection of point targets including ground environment sites, airfields, ports, bridges, supply depots and oil refineries."

A code red national air attack warning was issued and staff were told to prepare to track a "low-level hostile threat".

The files, passed on to the Scottish Home and Health Department, reveal that key locations, including RAF bases and radar installations at Rosyth, Buchan, Leuchars, Kinloss, Benbecula and Saxa Vord on Shetland came under simulated fire.

Those manning the defence radars would not have known whether the approaching planes were friendly or not.

The report concludes: "During the exercise no attack warnings were received or generated for Fife, Borders or Dumfries and Galloway." A number of English and Welsh counties also "apparently remained unwarned" after civil defence workers failed to raise the alarm.

Those coordinating the exercise also lost contact with RAF Buchan in Aberdeenshire for a number of hours.

The files state that many regional command offices failed to cope with the sheer amount of information, which made assessing the potential threat "progressively impracticable".

Unsurprisingly, those evaluating the drill reports concluded it had been "a very disappointing exercise". They stated that a failure of communication gear at RAF Buchan "was very frustrating for the warning liaison officers". They also said that "poor reception" made it hard to transmit information through special emergency channels.

In a letter of June 24, 1977, to the Scottish Office, Cliff Bromage, of the UK Directorate of Telecommunications, said: "I doubt whether any system can be devised, which will in peacetime, prevent a recurrence of these problems."

Exercise Wintex was not the last Cold War drill fiasco. On November 2, 1983, Nato's Able Archer, a European war game, had the Soviets bracing to launch their nuclear arsenal, before it became clear that is was just a training exercise. The mix-up led to closer US-Soviet communication.



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  • Last Updated: 22 March 2008 7:21 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Russia
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

23/03/2008 00:25:23
That's presumably whay NATO does exercises.
2

Vincent-W,

23/03/2008 00:40:10
The RAF hierarchy are a bunch of concieted @rsholes. A total waste of taxpayers money.
3

W Smith,

Middle East 23/03/2008 00:43:54
I see there was a demonsration in Belgium outside NATO headquarters including left wing CND types and muslims shouting "liberty for Palestine".

SOUNDS LIKE THE KIND OF DEMONSTRATION THE FIRST MINISTER HAS ATTENDED OVER THE YEARS.

The bad news for the left-wing Palestinian supporting SNP is that the demonstrators were only in their hundreds.

So much for Alex Salmond's claim that his left wing 'we hate NATO' stance is popular.

Read the aricle:

http://news.sg.msn.com/topstories/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1303209

The demonstration ended with a march on the US Embassy - right up Salmonds street don't you think?
4

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 23/03/2008 02:14:13
W Smith #3

Get on subject 'W'

Every time you post it is unfounded criticism of the SNP. Here we ahave an article showing the ABJECT failure of the Brits to defend us. Do we hear any ctiticism from 'W' - not a peep.

It is quite clear that an independent Scotland would have less enemies than Britian and secondly could defend herself, at least, as effectively as the British government.

ABSOLTUELY INCOMPETENT AND DISGRACEFUL STUFF AGAIN

5

Guga II,

Rockall 23/03/2008 04:21:32
#4 Just ignore that ignorant prat at #3. He's so stupid that he's not even worth arguing with or commenting upon.
6

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23/03/2008 04:53:50
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7

Hugo of Garven,

23/03/2008 07:06:07
These exercises are intended as a check on reality and to identify weaknesses and failures.

Hopefully, we should learn from it. I wonder if we did.
8

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 08:22:10
The only thing we have to fear is Westminster jumping when the US decide to invade Iran. All the more reason to declare Independance after the next set of elections. 10% of all British Military Equipment was bought with Scottish Taxes, and as such belong to the Scottish Nation. Obviously we have the trained experts, in all our brave Scottish Soldiers who would be more than proud to serve their country under the Saltyre. Standard war equipment is all we would ever need, to defend our shores, because unlike the remains of the UK we wont be invading anybody unless its as a humanitarian mission. In that case it will be Doctors, Nurses and Engineers, protected by armed Scottish Troops who will work with the locals rather than stealing their Oil or other assets.

Trident must go from Scottish soil as soon as possible. With it here in Scotland we are just a target for a nuclear attack. Our Scottish Peoples well being is paramount in every case. Bit different to the Westminster system where the average person are just an afterthought, to provide the cannon fodder.
9

subrosa,

23/03/2008 08:26:18
# 7

I doubt it.
10

Jock's Away,

Africa 23/03/2008 08:40:17
Mutually Assured Destruction(MAD)formed the core of both East and West policy. On this premise the politicians would see not real value in investing in equipment that could have little of no Practical use in the above. This fatalistic philosophy still flows through the thinking today. Stems from the UK post WWII being a small fish with aspirations of swimming with the big fish. Being a static aircraft carrier for one of them does not enhance it's chances.
Note the vastly disproportional spending on nuclear Weapons systems and platforms compared with other forms of defence. If it did not work when relatively speaking Britain had more discipline and cohesive structures and values, it is highly unlikely to be achievable today.
Regarding NATO, it has been little more than a paper tiger, window dressing for politicians and career path for generals. If the brown stuff hits the fan, NATO has it's own version of the Emporers Clothes.
# 7, the lack of the appropriate equipment & resources in support of the forces in Iraq and Afghanistan does not engender confidence that any thing has been learned.

A bit like be careful what your wish for it may come true.
11

Robert,

Kirriemuir 23/03/2008 09:48:10
Who is worried? During the the Cold War era and since the Russian Klondikers (large Russian fish catching and processing ships) regularly used the ports at the north of the country (Ullapool) and in the Shetlands and the crews were free to go ashore yet did anyone ever hear anything adverse about them or even know of this facility so why are we worried about Russia's military posturing when they are regular and frequent visitors?
12

DaveK,

Edinburgh 23/03/2008 10:26:31
Not a problem - Mel Gibson in a Kilt will see those Red raiders off!
13

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 23/03/2008 11:25:42
Hello Robert,

YOU should be worried my good man! Putin is yet another ham-fisted Thug in the Kremlin, who knows only one way to engage in ruling: heavy handed violence or the threat of violence!

Just ask the Poles and the Czechs!

Putin threatened to strike both countries with Nuclear Missiles, if they went ahead with the US Defensive Missile System.

Nuclear Missiles!!!!

I wonder why neither Salmond nor Browne stressed this threat, or even opened up the floor of Parliaments for debate?

Nor did I see much in the British Press?

Were Bush to have made such a glaringly threat against North Korea and Iran, the British Press, and every Left leaning Brit Politician, and every Left Politician in Europe, would be screaming at the top of their lungs!!!

Why so silent? It seems to me that what many Americans believe to be the case is in fact, the case: that there is a double standard in Great Britain and in Europe, against the USA: which is why most of us want ALL our troops (including GB) out of ALL foreign stations.

You sorry, back stabbing, hypocritical, and ungrateful lot, can deal with the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, and your own Muslim populations, on your own.

Call Ghostbusters next time something goes wrong, cause we Americans won't be answering the phone.

Cheers from the Rockies
14

Neil,

Glasgow 23/03/2008 12:17:03
This happened in 1977 - #6 apparently does not know that the Russian border is 700 miles to the east of where the Soviets used to be & the only aggressive war to have happend in Europe since Hitler died was started by NATO, in which NATO demonstrated all the genocidal procilivities the Soviets had ever accused them of.
15

Geoff,

sa 23/03/2008 12:18:22
13 Neanderthal-understand your sentiments but if its any consolation, not all Brits hold the same opinions. I am no fan of George bush and think the Iraq adventure was a bloo*y disaster but when the chips are down, the USA is the only hope that the free world has. The world is and always will be a dangerous place. If every other western nation emulates the proposed foreign policies of the SNP then the day will come when somebody WILL invade little old Scotland and Norway and all the other pacifist nations that think that love and reason is all you need to get by.
16

Geoff,

sa 23/03/2008 12:20:31
14 Neil-presume you are referring to recent Balkans conflicts. The only thing NATO did wrong there was to intervene several years too late!
17

Geoff,

sa 23/03/2008 12:22:32
12 DaveK-:). If Alex has his way maybe thats all we will have!
18

Geoff,

sa 23/03/2008 12:26:00
Neil 14-only aggresive war since Hitler started by NATO?? What about Soviet invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia, Serbian wars against its former partners including genocide?
19

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 23/03/2008 13:08:27
Anyone who is familiar with the biography of Captain James Bigglesworth, D.S.O. and his faithful companions The Hon. Algernon Lacy, M.C. and Ginger Hebblethwaite will instinctively know that our brave boys in blue would give Uncle Joe's Russian hordes a jolly good biff and be safely back home in time for tiffin.
20

Geoff,

sa 23/03/2008 13:31:38
19 Loki :0)
6 Middle Watch-disagree. With the french and British Nuclear Detterent,if we were wiped out then so would they be. In a conventional war, the Eurofighter Typhoon, now deploying in numbers, should be able to handle Bears.
21

Geoff,

sa 23/03/2008 13:40:38
Actually, Middle Watch, you are right but as I said it would be mutual destruction. Also the likliehood of a conventional war between us and them that wouldnt escalate to nukes is remote.
22

donald,

glasgow 23/03/2008 15:47:53
I seem to remember Prime Minsters, Cabinet Ministers and Lord George Robertson of NATO on these demos in the past.
23

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 23/03/2008 18:37:50
#20 the Eurofighter Typhoon, now deploying in numbers, should be able to handle Bears.

What about Andy Robin? Much cheaper than a Eurofighter Typhoon. I recall watching Andy a few years ago as saw off Hercules the Bear in short order.
24

Robert,

Kirriemuir 23/03/2008 22:28:29
#13(Unlucky for some)! The Russians have never been a problem except on the international stage where the posturing occurs. During the Cold War the British intelligence services were spy chasing in London while open commerce was happening in other parts of the UK and europe. It was not what was actually happening that worried us but rather what we were told was happening. Our problem is not Russia but rather the US and its paranoia. John Pilger the Australian investigative journalist highlights many of today's world problems in his book entitled, "The New World Leaders" and it is a worthy read. Not so long ago a small British protectorate called Granada was invaded by the great US while Britain remained silent and when the Falkland Islands were invaded Margaret Thatcher had to get the okay from the US to retaliate but we did not need to ask Russia so where is the problem with Russia. The current situation arose through the US placing nuclear warhead rockets around Europe where it borders with Russia and hence Russia's reaction. The US is a dominant nation that uses conflict to establish its wealth and supremacy and it is done in a very sutle way. PM Blair was an utter fool on latching on to Bush's coat tails. The French and German's seem to know more about what's shaping-up world wide than we British do and hence their stance. In the above article it is manifest that the Russians could have struck a fatal blow to this country militarily but it opted not to do so as it probably knows that we are only the 'spreading in the sandwich' but a nuisance by allowing the US to install military bases here. The Arabs too are railing against (not so much the West) but the US dominance and Isreal is able to hold on to its occupied territories with the concurrence of the US. It is not the enemy without that should worry us but rather the enemy within!
25

Putin's eye,

mother-russia 24/03/2008 06:36:31
Well well well !
There you are , agressive scotsmen, making conspiracy against mother-russia!
I'll report all that to Mr.Putin!
26

Maurice,

Fife 24/03/2008 12:00:21
Get it in yer heeds! Russia is not going to attack Scotland. There is nothing that they want here. The biggest threat to Scotland is Scotland, its foreign policy and the untrustworthy government down South at Westminster with its insistance at licking the balls of the USA. Alex Salmond, despite critisism is going some way to address that threat by opening up debate with countries like Iran.
27

Putin's eye,

24/03/2008 16:20:57
26 Maurice:"There is nothing that they want here."
How come? I protest! The Scottish whisky! If anything, just whistle and we shall rise as one man to help you to defend your native land! Greetings from Russia and don't bother yourself with fables about malicious russians.
28

Neil,

Glasgow 29/03/2008 14:41:50
Geoff 18 & 16 fair point about Hungary though it could be justified as either a police action or defecive on the Warsaw Pact's side. Call it a preemptive move against the emergence of a Hungarian regime willing to putNATO nukes on the Soviet frontier - just as the US calims the Cuba blockade wasn't aggressive but merely preemptive for the same purpose. The Czechoslovak invasion, wrong & probably destructive to any modernisation of socialism, though it was wasn't a war because the Czechs, sensibly, didn't fight.

As regards intervention in Yugoslavia - I think you will find that the western countries, particularly germany & the US were "intervening" by funding our openly genocidal (ex-)Nazi allies long before they fired a shot.

Right & wrong are sometimes subjective & though you wish we had started earlier, assisting Nazis publicly committed to racial genocide to carry out their murdering plan is something I consider wrong. We are going to have to disagree on that.
29

Number 6,

07/04/2008 09:32:30
#13 threatened nuclear strikes ? where do you get this paranoid garbage. You saw no mention of it in the european media because it is a load of tripe.Please inform us of your source. I have relatives in Poland
they need to know they are in imminent danger of nuclear attack, as they are going ahead with the project.

"THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO FEAR, IS FEAR IT'SELF".

 

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