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A moment when hi-tech war became intolerably human



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Published Date: 18 August 2008
THE man pictured cradling his dead brother in his arms during Russia's onslaught on Gori is destined to become an iconic photo of war and its futility.
A news photographer captured the moment when impersonal, hi-tech war became intolerably human; when a man wept for his brother and his grief seemed to encapsulate all the victims of all wars.

Now Zaza Rasmadze, 35, has told for the first time how
his brother Zviadi 33, came to perish.

"I held him and held him because I simply did not want to let him go," said Mr Rasmadze.

"I wanted to hold him forever so that all who knew him could come and mourn him."

On Saturday, 9 August at 10am Mr Rasmadze, a former soldier in the Georgian army, left his home in Gori to distribute bread to his former comrades. His brother, his wife and his nephew remained in their flat, their Lada car parked outside.

Car-parts salesman Zviadi told his brother shortly beforehand that he hoped "the war will not come to us here".

Mr Rasmadze said: "As I stood with the soldiers nearby I heard the Russian warplanes coming. We threw ourselves at the ground.

"Then the bombs fell and the earth shook. I am a God -fearing man and I prayed.

"The Russian jets came over in several waves, their bombs falling between the houses, hitting people who didn't have anything to do with fighting, who just happened to live in this country.

"As they banked away I saw black smoke rising from the apartments where my brother lived. I started to run over the smoking earth.

"I ran through the rubble, looking for someone alive. I was convinced that Zviadi still lived.

"I searched left, right, all over. I didn't even notice when I tripped over him.

"I turned and recognised by him by his shirt.

"I sank to the ground and embraced him.

"He had shrapnel in the chest. Blood ran from his ears; he had no pulse."

The next day Mr Rasmadze returned to the spot and saw the corpse of his brother's eight-month pregnant wife nearby. Both her legs had been blown off and her stomach was ripped open. She lay not far from her husband.

Mr Rasmadze said: "One must write such things, and such things must be read, because otherwise humans will never understand what war means.

"Georgian soldiers wanted him to go with them but I wouldn't allow him to go. He was a part of me, we had spent all our lives together."

The family had fled outside when the first bombs began falling only to be caught in the open by more of them.

The only survivor was Dimitri, aged seven, now seriously ill in hospital with shrapnel wounds.

"He hardly speaks," said Mr Rasmadze.

"He keeps putting his hands to his ears and keeps on diving beneath the bedclothes as if he hears the bombs raining down."

There was no room at the mortuary for Zviadi. "So I wrapped him in one of my shirts and buried him someplace where I hope the bombs won't get him again," said Mr Rasmadze.

"He was my brother, I loved him.

"And this is what war does."





The full article contains 549 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 17 August 2008 10:07 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Georgia , Russia
 
1

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 00:04:44
Who writes this rubbish? Once again, no byline, more spin.

"THE man pictured cradling his dead brother in his arms during Russia's ONSLAUGHT on Gori is destined to become an iconic photo of war and its futility."

But of course. It wouldn't be a picture of a man in Ossetia cradling HIS dead brother after the ONSLAUGHT of the Georgian forces using US weapons against innocent civillians with their US trained murderers.
2

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 18/08/2008 01:29:24
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/politik/2008/08/17/kaukasus-krieg-foto/der-schreiende-Mann-aus-georgien.html

you can see his picture at this link.

I agree with Mashimaro though. there are victims on all sides in war. War is always bad. This is not to say that there is never a time when it is appropriate to fight a war. But in war there are people who lose very badly and those who lose less badly. A war victory is better than a war defeat. But always in war, participants on all sides lose. Only fools feel otherwise.

The US arms & funds Israel to kill Palestinians. It is the Palestinians' fault. Forget that for every 1 Israeli the Palestinians kill the Israelis kill 50 palestinians. Forget about the economic persecution of palestine that keeps them in poverty and causes their sick people to die in their hospitals. It is the Palestinians' fault.

The US pays Ethiopia to overthrow Somalia. It is Somalia's fault. The US sent soldiers to Haiti to tell the president of Haiti that he must leave Haiti or else they'll kill him. It is the Haitians' fault. The Georgians' attacked civilians without provocation and it is Russia's fault.

We might as well get ready for WW3 because the people that rule us are doing what they can to BRING IT ON!!
3

Scullion,

Canada 18/08/2008 01:38:52
War gives ample photo ops for misery and death, no matter which side snaps the shutter.
Our stupidity and cruelty is immeasurable-and when I say our, I mean every mother's son and daughter that breathes at this moment.
4

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 03:30:33
eh... war is war... it keep the population down.
5

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 03:33:03
what sickens me is journalists using it as a photo op to advance their careers.
6

Pilrig.,

Livingston 18/08/2008 05:54:03
4 - yep and your country's brand of population control is hardly a shining beacon to humanity....
7

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 06:32:41
#6 Well, it worked, neh?
8

Old Siggy,

Dunbar 18/08/2008 08:51:44
#2. I your urge to condemn the US (incidentally, why do you choose to live amongst such terrible people?)for all the ills in the world you succeed in getting your facts wrong. It was the South Ossetian militia who started this by their murderous raids over the border into Georgia. Raids that are still going on despite the "peace deal". Georgia's response was certainly heavy-handed but it was also naive since it played right into Russia's hands and gave them the excuse for which they have been waiting for years. Rusia is not interested in South Ossetia, neither is it interested in Georgia, it wants control of the BTC pipeline which will increase Russia's stranglehold on energy supplies to Western Europe and punish the West for the Eastwards expansion of NATO.

#1 Mashimo. Your comments are a disgrace, you are probably the most bilious person ever to appear on these blogs.
9

KampungHighlander,

18/08/2008 09:03:00
Mushi:

#1
"But of course. It wouldn't be a picture of a man in Ossetia cradling HIS dead brother after the ONSLAUGHT of the Georgian forces using US weapons against innocent civillians with their US trained murderers."

I guess we will just have to take the Russians word since they have refused all journalists access for the last 2 months during their military build up.

#4
"eh... war is war... it keep the population down."

Spoken like a true fascist Mushi.

#5
"what sickens me is journalists using it as a photo op to advance their careers."

What sickens me is looney lefty losers from Paisley pretending they are from China.

#7
"Well, it worked, neh?"

What population control would that be since you are in Scotland, you liar.






10

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 09:59:27
*wiping Campy Highlander's spit off his face*

#8 You westerners are so scared of death, you pretend it doesn't happen. It terrifies you when others do not share your fear. It's one of the ways your masters control you - by telling you there are people out there who are so crazy they will blow themselves up for no apparent reason. It's always strange to me that you never see it from the other side - perhaps people blow themselves up for a very good reason.
This piece is nothing more than an emotive whimper aimed at garnering some humanitarian award or other from some backwater jouralist. In the mean time it serves to repulse you, sucking you in to the spin put on it by your masters. It's just like Iraq and the WMD, isn't it. I mean look at the rubbish that was printed about Saddam before the invasion. I reckon the nail in his coffin as far as the west was concerned was the article about gas experiments on lil fluffy dogs.
I could go on, but please, just open your mind.
11

Finnking,

Lempäälä 18/08/2008 10:14:56
When did SOS turn into Mills and Boon?

"There was no room at the mortuary for Zviadi. "So I wrapped him in one of my shirts and buried him someplace where I hope the bombs won't get him again," said Mr Rasmadze. He was my brother, I loved him.
And this is what war does."

Vomit inducing.

---As the tanks thundered towards the Ossetain border I said to my beautiful sister, a virgin humanitarian genius who loved saving kittens, that the sound of mans' inhumanity is the feral cry of nature diseased. She looked lovingly into my clear eyes and said, "Do you write for the SOS by any chance?" As the Georgian military opened fire on our brethren I cradled her in my arms and sung the Simpsons theme song to her; a favourite of hers in times of stress but I added, "This, my dear, is nature's revenge. War is hell on earth, my love, our counterpart to heaven's love." As she choked on the vomit in her throat she gurgled, "Promise me, Serge, that you will never start writing for a decent newspaper." before she slumped, motionless, another victim, another hero, another casualty of nature's revenge.----

---Can have a job at SOS?LOL

12

Mcsnagpile,

18/08/2008 10:21:14
This year I have had a number of military campaigns. The first was a number of Blitz-Kriegs on three areas of green fly. The next saw the victorious end to a two years campaign against plum tree fungus. Mulberry bush caterpillars resulted in a pyrrhic victory but at least the berries were saved. With the wet weather there was a vicious and bloody campaign against tomatoes fungus, which even got at my aubergines. So is the life of men and plants. Now the season closes with the anticipation of more never ending wars to come.
13

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 10:35:08
#11 ha ha ha ha ha haaaaah You'll get a job offer in the mail.
14

Finnking,

Lempäälä 18/08/2008 11:01:18
Part II

"I gathered up her flowering fragile frame and made towards the forest for her final resting place by the old birch tree we played near in our innocent youth, before we chopped it up for sauna wood. I wadded through the blood of my fellow Ossetians and against the flow of human tragedy heading towards the Russian border for reasons most yanks will never comprehend because they weren't told about it.

"I fumbled and stumbled and bled and cried and wailed against the brutality of nature's revenge. I trampled over bodies, my fellow men, some strangely wearing US and Israeli flags for reasons no yank will ever comprehend because they weren't told about it, towards the final resting place of my Dear Doris.

"Groping through the litter of man's technological inhumanity to man, the discarded remnants of horror, the machinery of death, i noticed that most of them had "Made in USA/Israel (delete as required)" on them for reasons no yank will ever comprehend because they weren't told about it.

"At the forest edge, near the Georgian border, the voices of war sung out another tune. Yiddish was being spoken and English too by thousands of my fellow species all resplendent in the accoutrement's of war apparently engaged in something called 'war games' for reasons no yank will ever comprehend because they weren't told about it.

"I finally dropped dull dead Doris and a note fell from her pocket. I waded through the piles of paper saying "Don't be silly, be a smarty, come on join the Nazi Party" with the word "Nazi" changed to "NATO", the papers that fluttered through our village like autumnal leaves for reasons no yank will ever comprehend because they weren't told about it.

"A letter dropped out from her pocket as her head rested upon the broken stump of the birch and I read it with welling tears. A suicide note that said, "Wake up you stupid ars*!" Ah, how can one human know another so completely as my beloved Doris knew me."---

Geesajoab!
15

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/08/2008 11:08:12
Mushi #10

"You westerners are so scared of death, you pretend it doesn't happen. It terrifies you when others do not share your fear. It's one of the ways your masters control you - by telling you there are people out there who are so crazy they will blow themselves up for no apparent reason. It's always strange to me that you never see it from the other side - perhaps people blow themselves up for a very good reason"

Are the Russians now using Suicide Bombers, Mushi? Or are you just getting way off topic in your desperation.
What does people blowing themselves up have to do with this conflict?

Oh, I forgot. The looney anti western fringe loves to use the "Yeah, but you did this...." defence to justify the acts of any evil regime as long as its not a western democracy.

I guess we are now supposed to be shocked by your justification of I assume, Islamic Suicide Bombers.

I thought that would be somewhere you would not want to go at this point, since the country you falsley claim to live in is suffering a rash of suicide bombings in East Turkmenistan.

Are you trying to say that faced with the wholesale oppression of the Uighers in China, that reacting to it through Suicide Bombing is a rational act?

That will certainly endear you to your pretend Chinese Masters.

16

Finnking,

Lempäälä 18/08/2008 11:23:49
Mcsnagpile,

You too have travailed against the insidious might of the Plum Tree Fungi? But pray, do tell, was it the Fungi that attacked first or was the scene set by the influence of Spring's wetness and the resultant demise of fungi munching larvi? Was there a REASON in an unreasonable world, as if there ever is not. Sometimes. Does the Fungi wear khaki in your plumless Eden? Did the Tomatoes rebel against the foreign invasion?

I too held my limp and flaccid plums (it feels nice, mum) as I cursed the sky of malicious foreign interference above my Eden.Brothers are we, you and I Mcsnagpile, divided by nation states and a relatively cheap Ryanair flight, but united in grief at the Fungi.

And the demise of decent journalism!
17

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 11:56:48
#15 am I justifying suicide bombers?

Is that what you're asking in that ramble? What I'm saying to you is this... people don't strap explosives to their bodies and then detonate those explosives for the fun of it. They have their reasons.
Whether or not their reasons are sound,whether or not they actually intended to detonate the bombs and kill themselves, or thought they were just delivering the bombs and the bombs were detonated by someone else... I don't know.
But what I do know is this...The muslim fundamentalists in China are linked to a group in Pakistan which is being funded by the CIA - sound familiar?
18

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/08/2008 12:09:11
#17 Mushi

I love the looney conspiracy theories. The CIA which is targeting Islamic Fundamentalists for liquidation along the Pakistan/Afghanistan border is also arming the same people they are killing to attack targets in China.

What colour is the Sky in the fantasy world that you live in?
19

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 12:18:32
If I had written this slop I'd be begging the editors to dump it. No wonder the writer didn't have the courage to put their byline to it. ha ha ha ha ha
20

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 12:19:38
#18 Campy - I'm sorry, does the US not have allies in Pakistan?
21

Newman!,

18/08/2008 12:32:42
Not sure if this is the same guy who now is accused of staging the photos with a Reuters photgrapher for propaganda purposes. Google it or check here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3793968
Perhaps a investigative journalist at the Scotsman could look into it for us?

22

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/08/2008 12:34:13
#18 Mushi

They Thought they did, but he just resigned. They pored tonnes of money into Pakistans military only to have elements of the Pakistani Intel Services provide aid to the Taliban.

23

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/08/2008 12:42:46
#21 Newman

" Perhaps a investigative journalist at the Scotsman could look into it for us?"

You have got to be joking, the only thing Scotsman "Jouralists" know how to do is retype Labour Party press releases.
24

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 13:39:22
"investigative journalist at the Scotsman "

haaaah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ah a... the joke of the day.
25

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 13:40:04
#22 Oh, I see. And Campy would that be the very same Taleban that they poured money into to defeat the Soviets, or would it be a different Taleban.
26

Neil,

Glasgow 18/08/2008 14:49:00
The other way of putting this article is that something doesn'y matter if our press don't publish a picture.

The Ossetians murdered in this aggression don't really count just as those we murdered in kosovo don't because our pres didn't show the photos.

To quote that well known western journalist Joe Djugashvili "One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".

If the photo is faked, as some have been, does that that matter?
http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/08/deceiving_the_world_with_pictu.html
27

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 14:50:36
#26 You're a very interesting person
28

Newman!,

18/08/2008 15:15:02
#26 I dont suppose it does matter if the news stories are real. Just as long as we beleive the corporate verion of "reality" eh?
29

Mashimaro,

China 18/08/2008 15:39:08
Remember we had this discussion over Lhasa... but no one bought that.
30

Gere,

Scotland 18/08/2008 17:30:39
The aggressor here was Georgia, the Israeli arms and advisors most certainly encouraged this invasion of Ossetia!

Why was Kosovo torn away from Serbia???

Who was bellowing for Serbia's territorial integrity?????
31

Neil,

Glasgow 18/08/2008 19:02:04
I don't know about Israeli advisors but there were about 150 permanent US military advisors & 1,000 American soldiers engaged in training (for what? had just flown out days before. It is not credible to believe that this was launched without deliberate American knowledge & approval - being a satellite state works like that.

The conclusion is that the neocons decided this was a win-win situation. Either Georgia wipes out Ossetia or America gets to ratchet up a new cold war which does McCain no harm & keeps Europe in line.
32

KampungHighlander,

18/08/2008 22:46:49
#25 Mushi

The Taliban did not exist when the Russian occupation in Afghanistan was taking place. The were formed by the intelligence services in Pakistan to invade afghanistan 3 years after the Soviets left.

#27

Sounds like Mushi has met his soul-mate.

#30

If Georgia was the aggressor how do you explain the fact that the night that this became a full fledged shooting war shells where falling on Georgian territory for an hour and a half before Georgia retaliated and fired back?

#31

"It is not credible to believe that this was launched without deliberate American knowledge & approval - being a satellite state works like that."

That is maybe how it worked in the Warsaw Pact, but that is not how it works amongst democratic nations.

33

Mashimaro,

China 19/08/2008 00:46:44
#31 Oh yeah. The Israelis were there. It was about 1,000 of them compared to about 2,000 Americans and hundreds of CIA folks.
I don't now if you were in SA before the first "democratic" election but I was surprised at the amount of CIA investment there.
And yes, you hit the nail on the head.
34

Mashimaro,

China 19/08/2008 00:49:30
#32 Okay you're extremely naieve. The Taleban are the alumni of the Mujahedeen. Go read, dude, seriously, go read.

#27 Jealouse, Campy? Actually, Niel and I go head to head over Zimbabwe. He's shocked at what Africans do. I am not.


#31 And all that intel and listening equipment was just for show, right? Puhleeze.
35

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 19/08/2008 03:44:10
#34 Mushi

"The Taleban are the alumni of the Mujahedeen."

Wrong again Mushi, the Taliban are alumni of a number of fundementalist Pesanterans in the tribal belt in Pakistan.

"Jealouse, Campy?

No Mushi, I am happily married.

"Actually, Niel and I go head to head over Zimbabwe. He's shocked at what Africans do. I am not."

I am not particularily interested in how you and Neil enjoy spending your time together. If you want to skipping off into a socialist sunset, hand in hand, singing Que Sera Sera, in your little baggie Chairman Mao suits, it is no concern of mine.

"And all that intel and listening equipment was just for show, right"

You are basing this on the wrong headed premise that this was a planned invasion. It was simply a Georgian reaction to being shelled from South Ossetia. If this conflict was planned it was in Moscow not Tblisi or Washington.





36

Mashimaro,

China 19/08/2008 08:35:36
#35 Campy - can I introduce you to GOOGLE?
May I suggest that you look up ISI, Taliban, CIA and see what happens. There's a good chap.
37

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 19/08/2008 09:18:37
#36 Mushi

Followed your suggestion and this is first sight that came up.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/misc/janes011001_1_n.shtml

"After the ignominious Soviet withdrawal from Kabul in 1989 the ISI, determined to achieve its aim of extending Pakistan's ‘strategic depth’ and creating an Islamic Caliphate by controlling Afghanistan and the Central Asian Republics, began sponsoring a little-known Pathan student movement in Kandhar that emerged as the Taliban. The ISI used funds from Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's federal government and from overseas Islamic remittances to enrol graduates from thousands of madrassahs (Muslim seminaries) across Pakistan to bolster the Taliban (Islamic students), who were led by the reclusive Mullah Muhammad Omar. Thereafter, through a ruthless combination of bribing Afghanistan’s ruling tribal coalition (which was riven with internecine rivalry), guerrilla tactics and military support the ISI installed the Taliban regime in Kabul in 1996. It then helped to extend its control over 95 per cent of the war-torn country and bolster its military capabilities. The ISI is believed to have posted additional operatives in Afghanistan just before the 11 September attacks in the US."

Affirms everything I told you. The Taliban is an ISI creation. The CIA lost all interest in Afghanistan after the Soviets were defeated.
38

Mashimaro,

China 19/08/2008 18:39:52
I have to do your work for you...

"A number of officers from the ISI's Covert Action Division received training in the US and many covert action experts of the CIA were attached to the ISI to guide it in its operations against the Soviet troops by using the Afghan Mujahideen, Islamic fundamentalists of Pakistan and Arab volunteers," writes B. Raman for the South Asia Analysis Group. These "Arab volunteers" and "Islamic fundamentalists," of the most virulent strain (Saudi Wahhabism), are now known as "al-Qaeda,"

 

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