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Embryo row is a lesson to Brown



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Published Date: 26 March 2008
LET'S get something straight from the start . . . Cardinal Keith O'Brien has every right to comment on, preach about and warn against the Human Embryology and Fertilisation Bill that Gordon Brown pledged to introduce to the Westminster parliament in the Queen's Speech.
Some letters in newspapers and callers to radio phone-ins have suggested that he has no right to introduce the teachings of his Church into political debate and decision-making.

The right of the leaders of the Catholic Church to state their beli
efs lies in their being able to demonstrate the support of millions of UK citizens and the fact that what we refer to as the values of our society, like respecting (loving) our neighbour, being law-abiding, being truthful, etc, were taught to us by the Catholic and reformed churches.

So even though few of us attend church services regularly, the Churches can reasonably claim to have underwritten the ethos of our society, and to have earned the right to play a part in sustaining its values.

If your beliefs just won't allow you to accept that, then your sense of fairness might allow you to see the Churches as lobbying groups with the same validity to try and influence legislation and governments as other groups like Greenpeace or Advocates for Animals or Oxfam, whose views are listened to because they have built up a track record and can demonstrate support for their views.

Keith O'Brien's language was criticised for its harshness, but he was warning against a scientific procedure that, unchecked, could lead mankind into a moral and medical morass. What sort of soft words are effective in such a situation?

And, although I personally believe it possible to police the proposed procedure to contain it within the moral boundaries consistent with our social values, the Cardinal can point to how the goalposts on abortion have moved since David Steel introduced his Bill.

Livingston MP Jim Devine has made the most constructive suggestion towards widening understanding of, firstly, the actual science involved in using animal eggs to aid finding cures for degenerative conditions, and, secondly, the differing attitudes of the Westminster government, doctors, sufferers and parents of sufferers, politicians and lobbyists, including Churches. He wants them to meet.

Jim's a practising Catholic, but, like me, although he hears the Church leaders' warnings against this part of the proposed Bill, he doesn't share their pessimism that it represents the first step on a journey to Hell. As there's much more than the proposal regarding the use of animal eggs in this Bill, and as there are different opinions on aid for single sex parents, the anonymity of donors, etc, the more information about it, aired in public, the better.

Inadvertently, the public interest in this Bill may also affect how Westminster goes about its business. Most people, regardless of which side they're on, seem to believe there should be a free vote on this Bill. I'd like to see every vote cast by MPs or MSPs decided by their beliefs, obligations and conscience, rather than have them vote as they're told, under threat of disciplinary action, by party whips.

It's possible that Gordon Brown, knowing that he has to face the voters in the months following the passage of the Bill, will allow Labour MPs to vote according to their conscience on the divisive clauses, as the other parties are doing.

Heaven knows why he didn't anticipate the reaction he's had from Labour members, given that two of his whips are churchgoing Scottish Catholics who know how many beans make five. Maybe the truly arrogant behaviour in all this has come from the Prime Minister who treated the beliefs of his Cabinet colleagues derisively at the outset, forcing them to choose between their consciences and his.

Thanks to the Cardinal, Gordon Brown may learn some new tricks . . . and humility.

A sporting protest
I STILL think the Scottish Government's Education Minister could make an appropriate level of protest against the Chinese government's brutal treatment of Tibetans seeking autonomy, by politely but firmly explaining that Scottish public opinion is against her visiting China while such a situation exists. But I also think it inappropriate to boycott the Olympic Games and load all the responsibility on to athletes' shoulders while the rest of the world maintains country-to-country trade and diplomatic ties.

Although the UN has quietly signalled its disquiet at China's behaviour, it has not imposed sanctions and has given no indication that the Games should be boycotted . . . but neither has it said that individual athletes shouldn't demonstrate disapproval of China's behaviour.

Home in on solution
OVER the holiday weekend, I criss-crossed the city looking at new housing and gap sites that might accommodate more, because at last the Scottish government is taking seriously the real possibility of a housing crisis in the Capital.

Now is the time for an all-party assault on Chancellor Alastair Darling to persuade him of the necessity, let alone the fairness, of writing off Edinburgh's housing debt . . . just like Glasgow's.





The full article contains 846 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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Thorne,

Fintry 26/03/2008 12:06:34
I note on my community tax information that while my tax has been frozen the water tax has gone up. I have no problem with that only the way that it is collected, that being the more your house is worth and not the size or number of rooms, the more you pay in water tax does that mean that they dont wash use the toilet etc as much if they live in a lower band.
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Artemis,

26/03/2008 12:08:16
"If your beliefs just won't allow you to accept that, then your sense of fairness might allow you to see the Churches as lobbying groups with the same validity to try and influence legislation and governments as other groups like Greenpeace or Advocates for Animals or Oxfam, whose views are listened to because they have built up a track record and can demonstrate support for their views."

Fair enough, Margo. But the Church - all the churches and all the religious groups - should accept they their views are deserving of no more time or respect than any other lobbying group. They shouldn't get extra attention just because they're churches. They speak only for their members, not for everyone else.
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Destroy the Planet,

26/03/2008 12:55:42
How can we take seriously people who worship sky faeries ? Minorities cant be allowed anymore to hijack natural progress because of there backward views on life !
4

Fergus J,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 13:39:25
An excellent article. I actually agree with 99%of it!
5

cheuchtar,

26/03/2008 13:58:03
The churches can't stop science progressing.
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John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 26/03/2008 14:07:30
Methinks Margo has an interest here in both supporting O’Brien and having a kick at Brown. I guess we all have to accept MPs exercising conscience in certain circumstances. However - O'Brien wasn’t about that at all – he was actually ‘whipping’ Catholic MPs – and deciding how their conscience should be exercised. If we play by his rules, does it mean that if you have a Catholic MP, then you can expect him/her to vote as dictated by O’Brien? Should we know in advance the religion of our MP?
The Catholic Church isn’t stupid - O’Brien’s comments are in a long string of recent pronouncements on Social policy and they don’t spring from a vacuum. The RC Church has attempted to monopolise the intellectual capital of Christ’s teachings for 2000 years, and it has maintained its power and wealth thanks to that. Anti-RC sentiment has its ugly side, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be wary of their real intentions. They’re anti-abortion, anti-birth control and anti-Gay too. Fair enough if that’s what they believe – but they wish control us all as much today as when they hauled Galileo over the coals. Dinnae trust them!
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Solymar 2,

26/03/2008 15:26:24
Why should the Catholic church meddle in political or medical affairs.After all most Catholics in Scotland support labour.Why should Margo drum up support for the Catholic church idea.Let's get support for cures to the ailments that the medical men can sort out.
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 16:11:38
Gordon Brown should change his decision and allow his party members to have a free vote on what some see as a contentious issue. Mr Brown does not have much to fear as hopefully this bill will be passed by Parliament with a sound majority.

Equally however, the good Cardinal is trying to use religious pressure to influence the voting by Catholic MPs. The Cardinal is merely scaremongering and his luddite attitudes are reminiscent of the Catholic church in the times of Galileo.

The Cardinal should be made aware that we must follow this line of important research, if we don't other nations (uninhibited by the Catholic church) will most certainly carry on without the safeguard of protective legislation and controls which will be strictly applied here.

Only good can come out such research conducted by the right people and within legal contraints.

Last, but not least, I have many friends who are Roman Catholics and can happily say that none are opposed to this work going ahead (many think that Keith O'Brien is merely making a fool of himself over this issue).

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Andrew Allan,

26/03/2008 17:47:54
Personally I'm with what Lord Winston had to say, which was this campaign by these bishops for the catholic church was run on lies. I know who I would trust on the field Lord Winston is an expert on, and that is built on knowledge due to experience, which no amount of faith can make up for.
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Singlepoint,

26/03/2008 20:05:21
A full-grown, intelligent hybrid human had already been created before and it was basically good; better than the average, and did good things for people but it was so hideous that nobody would befriend it (judging too quickly) and indeed it was shunned by everyone who set eyes on it. It eventually turned against society and first murdered its creator’s brother but rather than have it known that a man had made a living, sentient being from dead animal and human bits a minister threatened the creator’s maid with excommunication unless she took the blame for the murder which blame she duly took and was duly murdered by the minister by being duly executed. The minister was of course fearful for his job, his church being means to a nice little earner for the lazy and otherwise inept. You see; if a man can create Man from the dead then what use the minister. This story was told to me 200 years ago by a virtual school-girl called Mary Shelley and whether it is true or not is of no matter. What matters is that through Mary we see the minister then and through the media we see him now and whereas the free-thinkers among us have evolved, the minister has not and of course cannot.

As for Margo who apparently is catholic and anti Gordon; well, who but catholic nationalists can hear what she says. This is the trouble; there is no freedom of thought. The religious faithful are bound to mark time or return to whole captivity. The scientist is bound by rationalism alone. The uneducated are bound by ignorance and the erudite by vanity. The true genius is left to go mad from being vicariously and variably bound.

Like any faithful follower of any political or religious brotherhood, Margo is not free to understand right from wrong as regards human progress: there can be no genius in such cults and therefore no progress. Currently, the move via SNP minister, Christine Grahame, is to licence the sale of tobacco products of course under the guise of protecting children an
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Singlepoint,

Fife 26/03/2008 20:06:32
and she foolishly states so at the same time as she is aware that the licensing of alcohol does not at all stop underage drinking and per se never will. Revealingly, the anti-smoking cult, ASH, said “It’s important we don’t take our foot off the accelerator”, which is to say, the move is to by hook or by crook to ban smokers from having the choice which thing is not democracy but tyranny. When it is done the any current upstarts will come for something else and eventually they’ll come for you. It is all to say that the idiot forever rules one way or the other in one form or the other.

 

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