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Bishop's anti-gay rant is nowhere near gospel



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Published Date: 18 March 2008
I NEVER knew poison could be so amusing until I read about Bishop of Motherwell, Joseph Devine's acidic assault on all those gays taking over our green, soggy land in a co-ordinated effort not seen since the last sale at H&M.
A word to the Bishop. You don't regain the moral high ground by constructing your own wee tower of intolerance from which to pour boiling bile on others. The moral high ground is attained by publicly achieving moral things that most people think matt
er. Oh, and your own house better be in pretty good order too.

I note this because in terms of his concern for the young of this country and the threat of homosexual derailment, it wasn't clear what Devine thought about men who wish to feel up little boys and worse. You see, there is a huge difference between homosexuality and paedophilia. Devine should understand the difference between homosexuality and paedophilia; after all his church was a safe haven for paedophiles for quite a long time.

The last time I checked, homosexuals weren't the ones having to apologise to their own congregations for covering up actual crimes. And yes, some of us do have memories longer than a goldfish, Bishop. What a pity for you. I would have thought that when it came to appointing Bishops and the like the Catholic Church would consider such things as how wise the candidates are; how likely the appointee is to help the Church regain some of its rapidly crumbling moral stature.

So let's leave out for a moment – and controversially, I understand – the issue of whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong, something you're born with or something you take up like cross-country skiing. Let us even allow that the Bishop has a point and that somewhere there is an NHS chart showing the viral spread of homosexuality, perhaps through the sharing of bus seats.

Even allowing for all that – is this really the time for the Catholic Church to come out swinging the big bat on a crusade involving sexual sin? He ought to have the wisdom to understand that regardless of what he believes, there is a time to keep your holy trap firmly shut on certain areas. What's amusing about Devine's stance is how someone could get to such a senior position while being so – what's the opposite of "not thick"? He claims that homosexuals have aligned themselves with Holocaust survivors in order to present "an image of a group of people under persecution". It's a matter of historical record that the Nazis did indeed persecute gays and did indeed ship thousands of them to concentration camps – and it wasn't to do the interior decorating.

But the pure folly of Devine's foam-mouthed snarling can be seen in another of the figures he chooses to attack, with all the co-ordination of a bulldog playing swingball. Devine thinks that having a bite at Sir Ian McKellen in his venomous speech will in some way help the cause. This shows how out of touch Devine truly is. Sir Ian McKellen is Gandalf. The desperate fact is that for better or for worse in the society we now live the Lord of the Rings and its figures have more power than many of the traditional authority sources.

Millions of children know and respect the moral leadership they have seen from McKellen as Gandalf in the fight between good and evil. Attacking the nice man Steve three doors down for his "lifestyle choice" isn't quite in the same ballpark.

No surprises in store
CAN nothing save us from the seemingly daily onslaught of so-called exciting plans for cafés, shops and a hotel in every old building in the city? For the record there is nothing "exciting" about cafés or shops or even hotels – otherwise no-one would ever want to leave Heathrow Airport.

Are cafés, shops and a hotel the best that the brains of this city can come up with for the magnificent Royal High building? Is there a stamp in the City Chambers planning department marked "cafés, shops and a hotel"? If so, can someone please hide it for a month or so.

Park life
THE shocking thing about banning all parking on The Mound is that some of us didn't realise you could still park there anyway. It is ridiculous that parking is permitted on any of the major bus thoroughfares and especially during the rush hour.

That said, I'm annoyed by Councillor Steve Burgess' suggestion that by banning all parking and not mixing single and double yellow lines, this step will avoid a "traffic hokey-cokey"; that is something many people and their children would enjoy seeing. Or even a conga.





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1

Nikostratos,

18/03/2008 10:27:50
the Bishop clearly has issues.I shall pray for him to the 'GOD OF LOVE'
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18/03/2008 11:13:16
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Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 18/03/2008 11:21:39
The one ranting seems to be the author of this article. Mr Heningan is ranting about bigotry, intolerance and going on about how awful a certain bishop is - yet fails to actually tell us exactly what the bishop was saying.

From the 'article' the bish thinks homosexuality is wrong, and thats about all I can gather. The bish has a perfect right to his viewpoint - he probably thinks sex before marriage is wrong too. Animal welfare people think animals should be treated better; some people think fox hunting cruel. Some think we should all be teetotalers, and some people think religion is a bad thing.

The world is full of people with some sort of moral belief. As long as they are not going around killing people for not ascribing to their viewpoint I don't see the problem.

Heningan seems to imagine that having a non PC viewpoint to be some sort of crime. Truly frightening.
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Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 11:34:12
#3, I didn'ty pick up that "Heningan seems to imagine that having a non PC viewpoint to be some sort of crime". It just seems like a critical response, which is fair enough.

Just because Devine honestly believes what he says doesn't mean we shouldn't call him a nasty homophobe - if that's what he is. opf course, we should just pay less attention to what he says - who really cares? The RC heid yins in Scotland do seem to have a particular fascination with homosexuality - much more so that so many other "sins". Too close to the bone, perhaps?
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18/03/2008 11:36:12
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

18/03/2008 11:59:49
The sex drive is hormonally driven, end of story, some people drive on the other side of the road.. let the blowhards huff and puff because in the future people will be laughing at homophobic attitudes just like we do now with the church's other 'mistakes'.....

Brian Hennigan I fair enjoyed that by the way!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

18/03/2008 12:23:50
The problem with the bishop is not that he is a sex-free bigot with an imaginary friend who has firm views about how other people should live their lives, but that he has plainly expressed a wish that Ian McKellen and others in the public eye who are open about being gay should be persecuted by the state and put in jail in the same way that Oscar Wilde was.

He wants uppity people locked up. That makes him fair game.
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Rossmcl,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 12:45:09
#3 If you missed the extensive news coverage of what the Bishop actually said last week you must have been on the planet Mars, a quick search on google will help you find the speech, and the news articles that covered it. He not only said homosexuality was wrong, but he noted with disapproval the 'irony' of Ian McKellen receiving an OBE while 100 years ago Oscar Wilde was sent to prison; and then he did indeed complain that it was somehow inappropriate for gays to link themselves to the Holocaust.

Entitled to his opinion? Yes of course. Nobody is denying that. After all, this is still (unfortunately from the Bishop's point of view) a free country. But Mr Hennigan is also entitled to his, isn't he? So, what's your problem? Your problem is that you disagree with him. In which case I have to ask you about the two points he raised.

Do you accept, for example, that gays were persecuted in Nazi Germany? It's a matter of record, not only were 100,000 gays were specifically rounded up and sent to concentration camps just for being gay, but also that many of the Jews who were persecuted for being Jews were also, by chance, gay. So do you agree with the good Bishop that gays have no place on Holocaust Memorial ceremonies? Interestingly, the Holocaust Memorial Society doesn't.

As for the Ian McKellen comment, the Bishop actually appears to be saying that we lived in a better country when the state's response to gay people who achieve distinction in the arts is to imprison them in hard labour, rather than reward them? Do you agree?
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subrosa,

18/03/2008 12:54:26
Too much newspaper space given to gays at the moment. Their are far more serious issues in the world that need discussing.
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Iain fae Elgin,

18/03/2008 12:55:49
The Bishops opinion matters a lot because, unlike the neighbourhood/pub bigot, he has a public platform with which to harrass other members of society.

He is of course entitled to his views, but he is not entitled to use his position to do so.

Amazing it still happens in this day and age really.
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hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 18/03/2008 12:57:15
The bishop should stick to what he knows,daft ideas (transubstantiation anyone?)and covering up the perverted shenanigans of his rapist pedophile cronies.Vile out of touch bigot.He will die soon and hopefully slowly and painfully,beseeching his "god" for forgiveness.
As the late great Frank Zappa said
"If there is a hell, its fires wait for them, not us"
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Jenny MacArthur,

18/03/2008 12:58:09
Hatred hatred hatred. Bile. Bullying. Persecution. Driving innocent children to suicide. Victimisation. Etc. Etc.

Oh, soooo Christian!!!
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Scotsman in Dublin,

18/03/2008 13:20:59
#3, I agree, Instead of just ranting against the Bishop surely Mr. Hennigan could have actually included some quotes of what he actually said. I would prefer to be informed about what he actually said not solely Hennigans version of it.
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PaulB,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 13:22:02
#5 - remmeber all homosexuals have heterosexual parents!
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PaulB,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 13:22:33
Excellent article Brian!
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18/03/2008 13:31:13
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 18/03/2008 13:39:35
An excellent ass-kicking from Hennigan. When the church discovered the paedophiles in its midst, it was more taxed by the questions of whether the paedophile priests should lose their pensions than whether they should go to jail. This rather undermined their claim to have authority on questions of Good and Evil.

As for the ranting reverend's concept of a camp conspiracy to underline the nations morals, I'd say the same as I would have to Hillary Clinton when she posited a vast right wing conspiracy to explain all the women claiming her husband had groped them:

Look to your own house first.
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Kevin,

18/03/2008 14:01:37
The bishop is right...being gay is just a fad for some people, usually for those boys who can't get birds. It's sick and at least he is trying to make a stand, everywhere you look there's a gay...I'm worried for the future of our kids.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

18/03/2008 14:02:42
14....Eh that aint always the case !
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dimba,

18/03/2008 14:34:49
they should wear johnys to stop jobbys getting up their pee holes though.
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Jamie67,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 14:45:47
In response to Cauchy Riemann's comments:

Yes, it is true that everyone should have the right to air their point of view; in this case, many people will find these views offensive.

It is true that the BIshop in question may also be anti-premarital sex etc etc. However, one of the great things about Britain is the way that we have fought against religious oppression (which at one time would have seen unmarried mothers routinely treated in the way the Bishop no doubt thinks gays should be; equally, we now have much more equality for women.

There is also the issues - in terms of expressing prejudicial views that the Bishop is ill-advised in criticizing people for something that is a central and to some extent defining aspect of their being, regardless of whether they got there by genetics or nurture or choice; he might as well say the same about people with green eyes or black skin.

The most hilarious things is of course that the Catholic church, with its high level of spectacle and possibly camp is something of a magnet for a lot of gay men, and the church seems to do a good job in appointing gay priests.

The Bishop of Motherwell - to whom I send my deepest disrespect - would do better to look at the Catholic Church's role in not dealing with the issue of paedophilia in the church.


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Boy Wonder,

18/03/2008 14:52:51
Regular conributors know I don't much of the Scotsman/EN's journos in very high esteem ... but this is a welcome and well-put article.

However, the less-than-divine Bishop Devine, really should get no more press coverage. Then again ... neither should the whle gay issue ... There's a lot worse going on in the world we should be taking note of. Like Heather Mills' public rants!
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18/03/2008 14:56:09
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/03/2008 14:59:59
#23 Liar.
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Em,

18/03/2008 15:04:38
24
The facts speak for themselves
Deal with it!
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dimba,

18/03/2008 15:09:51
23, yes, but do you wear a johny? Most gays do, and with good reason.
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dimba,

18/03/2008 15:13:28
23 - you seem real clever. Can I be your pal? Can you tell me where I can find these numerous studies? Glad you have been doing lots of research - this area must really interest you...and can i have a photocopy from your magazine "Guide" please? I won't need the original as I don't want to break up your collection.
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Em,

18/03/2008 15:16:33
#26

I assume you addressed that to the wrong person
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dimba,

18/03/2008 15:27:25
no. You read gay magazines and quote from them - presume you're a collector of the genre.
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No Time for PC Nonsense,

Scotland 18/03/2008 16:08:27
This is amazing Em. I was recently at a Church of Scotland meeting discussing human relationships. Everyone there knows my Catholic background. I was the ONLY one in a group of about 20 (including the minister) to state that homosexuality was completely incompatible with Christian teaching. I wish I'd had your quote there to back me up. The minister was was also unaware that the Greens want to teach homosexual relationships to children as young as 4 years old in our primary schools. And then they call Catholics bigots for wanting their own schools? Do you have sources for these studies? A source reference for your "Guide" quote?
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James (1),

18/03/2008 16:13:51
#23 you are trying to burst the gay bubble and will get taken off.
Tip- stop quoting facts and they will leave you alone. Quote facts and off you come.
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James (1),

18/03/2008 16:26:50
Well am I right or am I right?
Too near to the truth it would appear #23.

True or false?- gays like same sex relationships?
gays cannot abide people making comments about their different" sexual preferences?
gays find religion unacceptable because most religions do not accept their chosen way of life?
Only pro gay comments are allowed on an open forum?
gays cannot accept that their sexual persuasion is not normal?
gays do not like the word "normal" and see it as an insult?
gays see insults where none exist?

Some gays will see this post and complain about it?
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Em,

18/03/2008 16:40:18
James,
You would appear to be correct I see they've already had my comment removed, I must have hit a nerve.

"In a world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

18/03/2008 16:45:56
#30 : So where do you stand on the wearing of mixed fibres? That's condemned in the Bible at the same point as "men lying with men".

Strangely, we never hear any rants about all the mixed-fibre wearing that's going on. One would almost think that the Church has a bug up its cassock about gay issues.
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Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 17:18:46
#34, of course, you can find just about whatever you want in the bible - quite often conflicting things, if you care to be so contrary. I wonder how many of those (almost all male?) who get het up about homos also think it's OK to sell their sisters into slavery (for example)?
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 18/03/2008 18:00:47
thats the problem these days your not allowed to tell the truth wether its about the GAYS taken over which i always find funny as the all seem to be sad b8stards
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Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 18:06:43
I think you need to to be told the truth about your spelling and grammar, #36...
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calum,

18/03/2008 19:24:57
Seems to be more than a fair share of heterophobes around tonight.
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Major General Puffin-Stuff,

18/03/2008 19:47:49
Or is it that the usual homophobes are running out of rant?
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 19:55:56
Brian Hennigan, you are an ar**hole! Well done to Bishop Devine for having the courage to speak his mind in this orange infested country of ours. I cant understand why England bothers to rule us.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

18/03/2008 20:00:43
33 Em.."Prejudices are what fools use for reason"

Voltaire.

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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 18/03/2008 20:03:28
#21 Jamie..... " one of the great things about Britain is the way we have fought against religious oppression" What a load of bullsh**. It is obvious that you have not read the anti-Catholic British act of settlement 1701. In the name of God will you ever get real!
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Rossmcl,

Edinburgh 18/03/2008 20:21:45
A word to the moderators: if you are going to remove a comment (e.g. #23), then please also IMMEDIATELY remove all subsequent comments which refer or respond to that comment. Otherwise it is very difficult to make sense of the discussion for anyone coming to it later. Better still, leave ALL comments on. We can take it and are capable of making our own decisions!
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Retiarius,

Magna Lilliputia 18/03/2008 20:51:30
"This shows how out of touch Devine truly is. Sir Ian McKellen is Gandalf."

Presumably Gandalf the Gay? As for the Elves - camp as get out! There's a thesis waiting to be written on sexual diversity in Tolkein's epics.
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Cygnus X-1,

cleaning up nineveh 18/03/2008 20:57:40
The truth is still the truth, it doesn't change just because some people get offended by it. Does the fact that some paedophiles used the church as a cover,(in much the same way as countless teachers, care workers, scoutmasters, police officers, posties etc etc) mean that no-one from the Church can now speak about abhorrent acts without being dismissed by the very small but vocal minority?

God Bless the Bishop.
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happyhibbie,

The Inch, Edinburgh 18/03/2008 21:00:25
The bishop should "bash the bishop" more often. This pursuit may help relieve him of his obvious frustration.
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Methalions,

18/03/2008 21:01:38
The bishop is an a­rse.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands, Scotland 18/03/2008 21:42:18
The [Bishop] doth protest too much, methinks.

Well I assume a catholic bishop knows a thing or too about gays, wearing frocks, getting down on your knees, not having sex with women. Not too mention the vast knowledge that particular organisation have about sex abuse, child abuse, murder, torture and if my memory serves me correctly was the current leader not in Hitler Youth back in the day.

So if I understand the problem the bishop was explaining. His imaginary best friend the Sky Fairy gave us sexual desires and free will to allow us to make all our own choices then sent his son Jesus via the virgin Mary who was pregnant but joseph did not sleep with her to earth to work as a joiner for 30 years then work for three years as a preacher to be killed by his own people and the romans by nailing him to a cross.(Was he impressed with the craftmanship?)

Jesus during his few years of breaching spend his whole time complaining about organised religion and telling us to love each other peacefull....so the catholic church created in his name the largest oppressive organised religion the world had ever seen and spend a few hundred years torturing and killing anyone who disagreed with them. All the while harbouring countless homosexuals, Paedo's and murderers and aMASSing a total fortune while representing the poor. glorifying the church, mary and the papacy and all the while the real problem was right behind us trying to lift our shirt.

I am not comfortable with Gays but to date they have caused a lot less trouble than Bishops.


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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 18/03/2008 21:46:16
Ps. If any catholics have a problem. Please skip the torturing of me and move straight to the forgiveness part. Light a candle and pray for my soul that should do the trick.

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No Time for PC Nonsense,

18/03/2008 21:58:57
Jock,
Just read your posts, and was starting to get really wound up, especially the cheap shot, everyone's favourite "Bingo" call about the Pope and the Hitler Youth. You do know of course, that membership of that organisation was cumpulsory, a bit like ID cards, only with far more serious consequences for those who refused. In fact you couldn't refuse. Anyway, in the end I decided the only thing to do was to laugh. AT you, not with you. I am sure you realise there is a big difference. No point getting wound up over such an ignorant @#%!.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

18/03/2008 22:09:33
49...I'm impressed!!!...You should get on Wikipedia mate...'Concise Catholicism in a nutshell!'
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 18/03/2008 22:22:50
#51 I am glad you found it amusing and yes I am aware the pope only joined up because he had no choice. He was "only following orders" maybe it was part of gods omnipotent plan for the pope. Spend a few years as a with the Nazi's in case the pope thing does not work out. Always good to have a trade.

Really I was amusing myself at the total hypocracy of the Catholic Church and that was just how the rant came out.

I find religion fascinating but more fascinating are the followers who defend beliefs and systems that have so much blood and hate. Who accept and repeat the most fancifull stories with a staight face without question.

History is there to be read, the catholic church is a sham, a lie and distortion of what it claims to represent. It has as much truth as Sun worship and Astrology but alot more blood.
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No Time for PC Nonsense,

18/03/2008 22:54:58
So what's your trade? "Mystic Mac"? Gazing a tea leaves? Looking into a crystal ball? Writing the horoscopes for the Sun?
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No Time for PC Nonsense,

18/03/2008 23:32:21
Let me put it another way Jock:
Are you telling me that Dawkins somehow has some monopoly over the truths of life and the universe? Failing that Stalin, Pol Pott, Mao perhaps?

Getting back to the original point however. Why is it that the gay lobby are so successful in presenting themselves as victims? Try disagreeing with ANYONE in the gay lobby and see how far you get with tolerance. Victim status? The hell it is. Why is it that the gay lobby are demanding the RIGHT to adopt? Nobody has the RIGHT to adopt. And when oh when will it ever enter the thick skulls of the gay lobby that children need a MOTHER and a FATHER to have balanced upbringing. Not two men, not two women, but a MOTHER and a FATHER. That, Jock, is the only RIGHT in the whole parenting issue. Parents separate, which is terrible, and not for discussion here, but a child has a RIGHT to expect to be brought up by a mother and a father, and anything else less than that can only be seen as less than ideal, a tragedy for all involved, especially the child, but it happens. Two gay people living together have NO RIGHT to expect a child as some sort of lifestyle accessory.

Has it also never entered the heads of the gay lobby that every gay person had a heterosexual parents, and that no matter how they would like to, gay partners CANNOT conceive? Is there not something wrong there? Is there not something against the natural order there? And the Greens want to teach this stuff to 4 year olds as "normal"? And want the same people promoting this to be allowed to adopt children? God help us all!
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18/03/2008 23:54:56
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19/03/2008 00:00:47
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

19/03/2008 00:18:14
Ah I see...no other input...well we will forget all about the turkey baster that has helped produce many a child to a gay man and lesbian woman.....

They can and they do...neccessity is the mother of invention...
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James (1),

19/03/2008 07:20:29
#57 I think #56 meant when they were normal they had children.

#59 perhaps to get them when they are young? Sort of brainwashing?

I can see where this post is going! I have committed the cardinal or is it the bishop sin and spoke up against gays.
Say goodbye to this post!
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Reckless,

Unclean 19/03/2008 07:57:36
Gays have AIDS.
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CombatVet68,

New Babylon 19/03/2008 08:12:12
From a secular viewpoint, it is a man or womans right of choice if they choose to engage in the homosexual lifestyle. This in no way removes the stigma of immorality. However, it is not reasonable to expect that society legitimize such immoral behavior. In the sight of God, sin is sin, there is no middle ground here. If you chose to ignore His condemnation of such unnatural behaviour (He calls it an abomination), then you will face His judgement, not mine.

We have all come to witness the fulfillment of prophesy, for the Word of God foretold (over 2000 years ago) that in the last days men would call evil good and good evil. Society crys out for tolerance. Tolerance of WHAT? Tolerance of sinful men and women who surrender themselves over to the desires of their own lusts? Tolerance in allowing homosexual couples to adopt children so that they may pass on their liberal sexual views, seducing them to engage in a lifestyle which will lead them down into the pit, which was originally created by God for the devil and his angels. For God did not intend that men should be cast into hell, yet it is written that hell enlarges itself to accomodate all those who will enter therein.

Do we automatically declare that God is false because the servant stumbles or falls away from His teachings? King David was annointed of the Lord, yet he sinned, for he was seduced by the evil one. Yet, he repented of his sin and our merciful Lord forgave him. Seek the Lord of Hosts dilligently, repent of your sins, and serve the God of creation, for He is faithful to forgive the sins of men, throught the shed blood of our Holy Lord Jesus Christ. If not, continue to serve your master, the prince of this world, Satan.
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donald,

glasgow 19/03/2008 08:26:57
Bishops and Queens are but pawns in the chessboard of life.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 19/03/2008 09:54:43
#62 Rambo - possibly you are still suffering from shell shock from Nam. I really would love to engage you on the issue of the word of god and its miraculous changing nature over the last 3 thousand years from the Torah to the King James Bible but I have a busy day. God did not hold the pen that wrote your book. Do you not get even a little suspicious of the source of scripture? At one time he was making almost daily visits but in the last 1000 years he chooses to express himself through images of christ in Tatties, crisps and milk leaking statues.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 19/03/2008 09:58:59
#55. If I led you to believe that I supported gayness I suggest you re read my post " I am not comfortable with gays" was how I ended my comment. No support there.

I see them as freaks of nature but not a threat. I was merely ridiculing the hypocrisy of the religion with the highest number of people, who covered up child abuse on a global scale for century's in their homes and schools.

So do the priests who sexually abuse children believe God is watching them? If catholism is real they are in for a terrible time in hell or do they know their religion is a sham and they stay in the faith and relieve the awkward questions of why they do not marry.

The catholic faith is a total distortion of the teachings of Jesus.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 19/03/2008 10:02:27
And finally I do not think any same gay couple should be allowed to adopt but I also worry about the children who are left in the Care homes as they type of people who often gravitate to such places really should not be allowed to be alone with kids.

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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

19/03/2008 10:50:21
62...God committed suicide in 1974 mate.....vatican and world faith conspiracy to hush it up... think o' the money lost there!...anyway dont feel too bad about it...cos it disnae really make any difference does it?..plenty folk still happy to imagine that he is alive.
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Jamie67,

Edinburgh 19/03/2008 11:08:46
Re No. 42 - Hunky Dorey:
You completely misunderstand my point.
I am referring to recent - 20th & 21st century history which has seen Britain become one of the most secular countries in the world, throwing off the damaging and imiting world-views of Christianity, and moving towards a greater acceptance of the differences that exist in humanity and of the opportunities that should be open to all, regardless of race/sex/sexuality.
I DO NOT SEE THAT RELIGION HAS PLAYED ANY ROLE IN BRINGING ABOUT THIS CHANGE.
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Em,

19/03/2008 14:29:03
#41 Cankers,

Actually, I have no respect for Voltaire and going by your quote that must make Voltaire the biggest fool of them all.

This is the man who was once described as the most perfect incarnation of satan the world ever saw.

Voltaire's policy revealed by his correspondence with Frederick II in which among other things Voltaire advocated finally when conditions were ripe a reign of terror was to be spread over the whole earth to wipe out all Christians and then establish a universal brotherhood without marriage, family, property, law, or God.

Cankers, I would hope that you don't consider Voltaire's vision to be an ideal world.
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CombatVet68,

19/03/2008 19:12:26
#67 Horrible Crankers:

I am truly sorry to hear that your god committed suicide, but I understand that he was in failing health. As for my GOD, HE still lives and reigns supreme. The Lord God Jehovah loves you and desires that you give HIM a try, for He desires that none should perish, but that all should recieve eternal life through my Holy Lord, Jesus Christ.
70

Piratina,

21/03/2008 00:45:13
Brian Hennigan makes many valid points, though I agree some quotes from the Bishop's "wise words" would probably have added yet more clout to his argument.

Why exactly does anyone care who has sex with who, as long as both parties are willing to perform the act? If that is what makes them happy, let them get on with it!

I believe some of the big ideas in the Bible have some sense to them (as well as the main ideas in the Koran, etc). However, as with any text, these scripts need to be understood given the social context of the time when they were written. Like with laws & regulations, there will be parts of these holy scripts that are out of date and need to be brought up to date. It would also make sense with some inter-religional harmonisation, like is also gradually being done in the world of international law as society becomes increasingly more international.

Will this happen? Probably not. Till then we can only hope that people are smart enough to interpret the texts they read, rather than take everything literally.

 

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