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Published Date: 28 January 2009
TRANSPORT leaders in Edinburgh last night unveiled their plans to clear traffic off the city's main thoroughfare to make way for at least eight months of tramworks.
Princes Street will become a no-go area from 21 February under plans which are expected to cause major disruption to traffic in the heart of the capital.

Work to move underground pipes and lay the network's first tram tracks will see Princes Stree
t completely closed between South Charlotte Street, in the west end, and South St David Street, in the east end.

Pedestrians will be banned from walking along the south side of Princes Street, next to the gardens, although three access points will be provided, including one to serve the National Gallery of Scotland.

All public transport is to be diverted on to George Street, but motorists will use Queen Street.

Several streets in the New Town are earmarked for to be used for diverted traffic in the event of an accident on either George Street or Queen Street.

Officials masterminding the project insist everything possible has been done to keep disruption to a minimum and that traffic flows will be kept under constant scrutiny to try to ensure problems are dealt with as quickly as possible.

A westbound lane will be kept clear of any roadworks for the first week in case the diversions do not work as planned.

The work is planned to be suspended in August to make way for the city's summer festivals season.

The city council and its tram firm, TIE, have decided to press ahead with a full closure of Princes Street, even though a previous attempt to carry out work on a smaller section of the thoroughfare brought city centre traffic to a halt last October.

The ensuing chaos led to the resignation of Willie Gallagher, the official in charge of the project, while other officials were forced to go back to the drawing board over how to carry out major works on Princes Street.

The first phase of this year's work, which got under way on Saturday morning, has seen access to Princes Street from The Mound and Hanover Street closed and traffic diverted via the likes of Market Street, Waverley Bridge, Queen Street and George Street.

However, both lanes of Princes Street will be kept open to buses, taxis and cycles between now and the full closure on 21 February.

David Mackay, chairman of TIE, said: "We understand that the eyes of the country and beyond will be on us as we construct the infrastructure for Edinburgh's trams.

"We have considered the views and needs of retailers and businesses, and we are confident that this plan is the best solution."

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, added: "I'm confident we can keep the traffic in Edinburgh moving."



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1

Goggsie #,

Fife 28/01/2009 01:51:54
These guys have cleverly timed the work to coincide with the worst recession in living memory. Well done councilors!
2

Just this....................,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 01:57:05
David Mackay, chairman of TIE, said: "We understand that the eyes of the country and beyond will be on us as we construct the infrastructure for Edinburgh's trams. "We have considered the views and needs of retailers and businesses, and we are confident that this plan is the best solution."

Interesting: Are the retailers and businesses as convinced???????????

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, added: "I'm confident we can keep the traffic in Edinburgh moving."

Does councillor Phil Wheeler realy believe this?
I think that this quote may come back to haunt him.

I have to be honest here and say that I do not agree with the Trams but that is a matter of personal opinion and has nothing to do with the total chaos that the contractors have created so far within the city.
3

Incandescent,

28/01/2009 03:23:42
Foo will be along shortly to assure us all that disruption is inevitable while constructing a "world class" white elephant... I mean "tramline". If we're lucky, Duncan might weigh in with some pedantry and Tony with a gripe about air quality. We can but hope.
4

corrigenda,

Harpenden 28/01/2009 07:15:51
Given the chaos that always ensues during construction of a tram system - and also during its maintenance for ever thereafter - and given that tram travellers have to get on and off in the middle of traffic and given that tram lines inevitably cause 'pinching' around bends and that the lines can trap cycle tyres, can someone from Ediburgh please help me understand why a Trolleybus solution was not chosen for Edinburgh instead?

Trolleybuses needn't get stuck behind broken down or illegally-parked vehicles - they can overtake without leaving the overhead wires or, if the obstruction is particularly bad, even leave the wires altogether and run on batteries for a short distance. They are used in 400+ cities world wide, not least Leeds in the UK
5

jtdx,

28/01/2009 07:47:33
#4
Trolleybuses cannot carry 270 people.
People don't generally park illegaly on tramlines because they get instantly towed away.
Trolleybusses last about 15 years, trams last about 35 years.
Trams don't occasionally run down pedestrians because the driver cuts a corner too fine!

The problem with trams is the initial capital cost which is high compared to buses, but once that has been paid then you get about 50 years where the running costs are cheap for the number of passengers you can move.
6

Luke Skywalker,

Capital City of Edinburgh 28/01/2009 09:31:41
5 Succinctly said. Edinburgh needs the tram system (including the Granton spur too). Please can the design of the line to the University and the RIE get started now.
7

brandy al,

embra 28/01/2009 09:33:41
Why not just close Edinburgh down and reopen when the Tram work is finished,soon the city will be bankrupt.
8

Forthtag,

South Queensferry 28/01/2009 09:51:45
#5 What a total load of rubbish, if you care to look at the following link you will see that trolley buses exceded the preformance and safety of trams by a considerable margin. http://www.scottishelectrictransit.org.uk/

The capacity of a modern trolley bus is 200 passengers, it runs on rubber tyre, it can park next the the kerb using a guidance system, unlike the tram where you have to cross into the middle of the road risking life and limb to embark.

Trolley buses where not considered by our city fathers, who prefer total the distruction of Edinburgh's commerce to simple expediency.

Tolley buses would not need the street dug up, and they can easily maneouver round objects like broken down trams and parked cars. You could even at this stage make use of what has been done on trams (event though there is little to actually see)to switch to Trolley Buses. Leeds have done exactly this after the UK Government cancelled their tram project because it could not be justified on ecconomic analysis. Recommending instead the use of Trolley Buses.
9

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 09:59:55
Don't they mean that Princes Street will be closed for about a day, then they will realise what a complete and utter mess it makes of Edinburgh and will re-open it again and postpone the plans... again?

"Several streets in the New Town are earmarked for to be used for diverted traffic in the event of an accident on either George Street or Queen Street."

So presumably, they will be laying tram rails along the same streets so that the trams can be diverted in the event of an incident on Princes Street then?
10

G,

dundy 28/01/2009 10:22:54
Apparently they're doing roadworks elsewhere in Scotland as well..I wonder if these will get such attention...
11

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 10:34:14
#10:

No. They probably won't.
12

unuducated,

edinburgh 28/01/2009 10:41:54
Several streets in the New Town are earmarked for to be used for diverted traffic in the event of an accident on either George Street or Queen Street.

Your reporter should be sent back to school with a remit to study grammmar.
13

Grumpy,

28/01/2009 11:42:06
If Princes St is closed, how will the shops there - M&S, Debenhams, Boots etc get their deliveries? Park up at Waterloo Place and walk?

14

ex-resident,

selby 28/01/2009 13:08:05
#5: many cities operate modern trolleybus systems (e.g. Vancouver). They are a fraction of the cost and disruption, have tram-equivalent capacity, can negotiate roadworks, plus cover short stretches without overhead wires. And they have better traction, so no probs at the top of Leith Walk!

But to answer #4, it's fashion - anyone proposing trolleybus is laughed at, just as anyone suggesting tram would have been in 1970.
15

Redbruce,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 13:57:33
#8 - this site is inspirational. #5 & #6 - you will think it is just propaganda. Trolleybuses would a) do the job b) disrupt less. Also the wires could be extended into East and West Lothian ..(even to King's Buildings and RIE) relieving the congestion to a much greater degree then the Airport/Scottish Exec. tram line. But I sense glee in the disrution from some quarters.
16

MadJockMacMad,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 14:04:12
The big problem with this tramline is that we will still have buses running along the same roads as the trams for significant parts of the route.
Common sense should dictate that no buses run on the tram route. The trams should be a spine. Buses should connect at various hubs along the route eg the West end of Princes street to head up Lothian Road and down Queensferry Street, The Foot Of Leith Walk, The bottom of the Bridges and so on. These Hubs could be served smaller but more frequent buses to allow the creation of turning areas. We end up with a sensible system of buses going north to south while the tram goes east to west. It is just ridiculous to continue to run bus services along the same route as the tram and totally defeats the purpose of the tram. Melbourne has an excellent tram system but you won't find buses and trams on the same roads. Trams there run primarily North to South, buses East to West.
17

DMcM,

Livingston 28/01/2009 14:51:13
I just hope First Bus have informed their bus drivers of where the buses are being diverted to around the City Centre from 21 Feb. Some of their drivers (not them all I may add)have difficulty knowing where they are going in West Lothian!
18

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 14:55:03
Look on the bright side - pollution free shopping. :)
19

Starkravingsane,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 15:38:29
#18
Well, there's the dust, the noise and the complete lack of tourists to take into consideration.
20

57vintage,

Bridge of Don 28/01/2009 15:45:02
At least there will be the possibility of alternative transport in the capital. In Aberdeen, you can take First Bus (when they deem it necessary to turn up), or on one or two routes Stagecoach. So much for the monopoly-breaking free market choice for travellers in Thatcher's Grand Bus Deregulation vision of 1986. Moir Lockhead's pension fund also dictates that due to there being no choice, prices in Aberdeen are considerably higher than in the other Scottish cities where they operate.

I wish the Scottish Government would investigate these monopolies and the fares larceny.
21

Lianachan,

Highlands 28/01/2009 16:00:56
Ridiculous waste of money. People may be surprised to hear that Scotland continues for hundreds of miles from the northern banks of the Forth.
22

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 28/01/2009 16:01:10
#20

Yup, fully agree - First & Stagecoach's cosy duopoly has been of no advantage to the public at all.
23

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 16:11:28
#19 What dust ? The traffic noise and pollution is worse and the tourists still have to get their pics of the castle. : )
24

ThePeter,

Glasgae 28/01/2009 19:43:55
Interesting to see Edimburg cooncil have a few of their stooges putting on comments favouring the trams.

How much were you paid?

Are you members of the House of Lords?
25

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 22:27:53
A Clamper (18) - a common misconception. If you read TIE's background papers on their website, you will see that air quality was predicted to improve by less than 1% (as was the level of congestion). Not a particularly vast improvement for such a high level of investment.

Then consider the fact that higher public transport fares and fewer bus services/frequencies generally lead to higher car usage, and it is hard to see how even that less than 1% improvement in air quality or congestion will now be achieved.
26

Edinburgh Noddy,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 23:13:17
I've yet to meet anyone who supports the tram scheme.

Trolley buses sound a much better idea, especially as it might not be too late to salvage some value from the tram works. Rerouting and extending the routes would be much simpler, and they could cope with the hills and run North South more easily than trams.

But I don't think it's going to happen.
27

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 29/01/2009 03:26:11
For goodness sake get someone to come to China and see how it is done!A tramway down Princess Street would be done in a trice,with minimum disruption to traffic.It would be finished on time too.
Near us there is an 8lane expressway being built over the existing 6lane road.Traffic has not been stopped either.The middle where,the support columns/power/drainage/water etc are is closed. A couple of tunnels through Scaffolding slows traffic during rush hour.Apart from the dust and muck, a bit slower journey,nothing has stopped or changed.Many drivers of course of their own volition have chosen alternate routes.
It is time to realize in UK others elsewhere,do it better, quicker,cheaper and on time.495 years BC,2,500 years ago,the Chinese built an 85kilometre stretch of the Grand Canal at the start of what eventually ran for 1800ks.Now faster means of travel are popular,but 1100ks remain navigable!
Come on Scotland,you are better than this!
28

A.A.,

Edinburgh 31/01/2009 17:20:11
Very well planned, I don't think. Princes Street being closed all through the summer and the festival etc.

 

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