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Published Date: 20 February 2009
BUSINESS leaders in Edinburgh last night urged people to continue shopping in the capital over the next ten months – despite the prospect of huge disruption from major tramworks along the length of Princes Street.
Retailers are braced for the impact of work to close the main thoroughfare, which will get under way in the early hours of Saturday.

Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce is pleading with shoppers not to shun the city centre over the next few months, insisting that people should not notice much of a difference in how long it will take to travel around the capital.

Although transport officials are not expecting the first major test of a host of diversions to arrive until the Monday morning rush-hour, all buses which normally use Princes Street will be rerouted on to George Street from Saturday. Motorists will be diverted on to Queen Street.

Diversions will be kept in place until the end of November, with work expected to continue during the Festival period, despite the impact it may have on major events.

Transport officials, who have spent more than a year planning for the closure of Princes Street, insist that the diversions and road closures that will be put in place have been planned "meticulously". However, insiders at the council and the tram firm Tie say officials charged with keeping traffic in the city running smoothly are nervous about the impact of the full closure on Monday morning.

One source said: "This is all being introduced at the weekend to give things a chance to bed in and sort out any technical problems with traffic lights and how buses are moving along George Street.

"But it's not going to be tested out properly until Monday's traffic starts. One lane of Princes Street is being kept open so it can be used in the event of chaos."

Ron Hewitt, the chief executive of the chamber, said: "Our main message is to tell people that the city centre is very much open for business. At a time like this, it is very important that we all work together and people support their local shops.

"We accept the impact of this work may be difficult for business, but it has to come to Princes Street eventually.

"However, there has been tramworks ongoing in the city centre for some time now, and we don't really think people will notice that much difference."

David Mackay, the chairman of Tie, said: "The work on Princes Street is a pivotal moment for the project and will see the first tangible aspects of the trams appearing.

"The track-laying and accompanying diversions have been planned meticulously, with speed and safety paramount."

A spokesman for Lothian Buses said it was confident that everything possible had been done to minimise disruption to passengers.



Travellers will pay more to get to airport

PASSENGERS using Edinburgh's controversial trams will be forced to pay a premium fare to travel to Edinburgh Airport, it has emerged.

The hike will come despite previous claims that tram fares would be the same as bus tickets in the capital.

Airport passengers were expected to be one of the main users of the tram and the first phase of the city's "network" will only consist of one line, linking it with the city centre and Leith.

Although all weekly, monthly and annual "ridacard" passes issued by Lothian Buses – the capital's main bus operator – will be valid on the tram, passengers heading to the airport and using trams will have to stump up an extra fare.

Single fares on Lothian Buses services are £1.20, but it costs £3.50 to use any of the premium shuttle bus services to the airport.

The move means anyone boarding a tram on Princes Street or Leith and heading to the airport will have to buy a premium-rate ticket or risk a fine.

Passengers will have to buy tickets from roadside machines before boarding the trams, with inspectors due to travel on all services.

A spokesman for Lothian Buses said yesterday: "Journeys to and from the airport will be treated the same as the current 'Airlink' services from the city centre."

The full article contains 698 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Roger, Roger. Roger, . . .,

20/02/2009 00:18:53
Make mine an oyster.
2

Hmm ...,

20/02/2009 01:19:55
All fares will be the same - but some will be more expensive! I thought that all fares were to be standardised!

I also thought that we were told last year that the trams were to be an appalling 120 feet long - now in Edinburgh trams' Winter Fact Sheet, we are told they will be 139 feet long! these aren't trams - they are trains, except that they will be running on city streets! It also tells us that they will be able to carry up to 250 people, of whom 78 will have seats - plus another two if they bring their own wheelchair! Everyone else will be standing. Not that that is likely to be a problem during the course of the day, when they are likely to have about a dozen passengers at a time. they are also to run at five minute intervals "initially" - presumably until tie are able to build the granton Spur, when some of the trams will be re-allocated to that route.

How much more information is to be drip-fed to us before these monsters actually hit the streets? And how much more will they cost?
3

Solo Lobo,

20/02/2009 01:32:21
Ron Hewitt, the chief executive of the chamber, said: "Our main message is to tell people that the city centre is very much open for business. At a time like this, it is very important that we all work together and people support their local shops.

"We accept the impact of this work may be difficult for business, but it has to come to Princes Street eventually.

"However, there has been tramworks ongoing in the city centre for some time now, and we don't really think people will notice that much difference."


Try telling that to shopkeepers and businesses in Leith Walk and see if they agree.
4

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 20/02/2009 05:53:12
A Tram story!!
In the Scotman??

Remember when the Labour/unionist/anti-SNP business people in Edinburgh protested that the trams were vital for the business and economic future of Edinburgh?
5

Steven P,

edinburgh 20/02/2009 07:38:19
The Chamber of Commerce, the Council and TIE can plead all they like, but you won't drag me into the city centre at the moment.
Where are the incentives?
And its near enough £8 (with kids) if we choose to go by bus.
Its a mess - sorry - South Gyle or Almondvale here we come.
Has all this lost business been factored into the Tram cost benefit analysis?
6

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 07:48:59
#2 - The tram is expected to run every 10 mins (ie less often than the 22 bus). The lie that TIE tells us over one every 5 mins is becuase they are meaning in either direction.

#7 - None of the disrpution, delays, lost business both before this vanity project starts running and then delays caused by passengers having to transfer from bus to tram (and to bus again) in some cases is factored into the business plan. Include those and even on TIE's own fantasy land projections the project is not worthwhile. Under the ridiculously optimistic base case, Line 1A has a cost benefit ratio of only 1.1:1.

7

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 20/02/2009 07:52:21

#2 here`s a excellent website to help with your questions, its public so they can`t ignore your requests
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/edinburgh_council
8

Douglas,

Bathgate 20/02/2009 08:27:45
A Scandinavian futurologist who claims to know about this stuff said "Trams are certainly going to be a roaring success now go and fill in your lochs and prepare for a tourist invasion. That'll be £10,000 please."
9

lulach mac gille coemgain,

20/02/2009 09:08:36
Fleece, fleece, fleece!
10

Alasdair MacWhirter,

Tidying the tool box 20/02/2009 10:00:23
Just found a story in the Herald that reads
"The team building Edinburgh's new tram network were today forced to announce an embarrassing delay to the project.
Work was due to start tomorrow in Princes Street, closing the capital's main city centre road for a year. But the Edinburgh Tram project today announced that there had been a last-minute hitch.
The road will still close from 5am tomorrow but no work can actually begin."

You have to wonder why the Edinburgh based 'all your local news' Hootsmon has chosen to ignore it.
11

Solo Lobo,

20/02/2009 10:08:04
#13: Story also with the BBC, see link below.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7900617.stm

On time and on budget my @rse.
12

Leila,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 10:19:24
After the news this week that the Cavalcade will be cancelled, the clear message going out is that Edinburgh is more interested in trams than the Festival. This is happening in a year when we also have the cancellation of Fringe Sunday, and I can't see how there can be access to Princes Street for the festival fireworks either. That's the three main public events of the festival, all gone.

This is madness in the current economic climate and at a time when Edinburgh's importance in the international festival pecking-order is diminishing. Edinburgh needs to make most of its assets to keep the visitors coming, and turning the world-famous Princes Street into a building site isn't the way to do that.

Not only that, but the council obviously has no interest in keeping Edinburgh residents happy - most bus routes go via Princes Street so there will be massive disruption to peoples' daily journeys over a long period, but any criticism of the tram project is met with one of the stock patronising responses. The current "information" campaign to keep the shoppers coming, just sounds desperate.
13

WeAreDeRosa,

20/02/2009 10:20:06
#12 TIE Ltd have to try and claw bag SOME of the millions they wasted on the doomed from the outset EARL monstrosity that only an idiot would have deemed viable or even constructable. The same idiots are now being duped into believing that trams are necessary and will be introduced at the price quoted.
14

Niadh,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 10:47:03
News on the Radio with morning indicated that the contractors that are supposed to be doing the work on Princes street have asked for more money. Surprisingly the council have told them to get on with it in line with the signed contract.
It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
Given the current state of the economy they had better not cave in and would be better cutting their losses on this disasterous waste of time and money.
15

itsmeisntit,

council office drinking coffee and waitinf for my 20/02/2009 11:16:40
dont think any of us will see a tram in Edinburgh in our lifetime
16

Adso,

20/02/2009 13:40:10
It is astonishing to think that 150 years ago plus we managed to build the UK rail network. Can you imagine trying it today? Fast forward to the 21st century and we are incapable of building one tram line - remarkable!
17

Richard Lionheart,

20/02/2009 16:36:39
As the Truth about the trams gradually comes out the words which come to mind are,
Elephant, White, Resign, Dawe, Jenny.
18

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 17:53:53
I no longer shop in the city centre because the council have made it a nightmare for motorists with their congestion creating schemes. Not very green but hey ho, that's the way it is. As far as I'm concerned, Edinburgh city centre is totally shut for business (and has been for a long time).
19

Sandune,

BROMYARD 20/02/2009 18:24:25
What a disaster.....Closing P Street for 10 months just to put down a couple of rails, Why not do it over a weekend......I could get a couple of lads & come up in the van
20

S.M.D.,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 20:31:15
It's a disgrace!

The tram's for Edinburgh should never have gone ahead.....the unionist party MSP's have managed to push a massive debt on us, just for vanity.
WHO actually wants the trams of those, who have to travel regular?
I and anyone I've spoke to doesn't....
Are the pro-tramers able to explain themselves?
Even the Greens, who voted for it?
How green is this tram lone really?

All this , while we are stuck in the deepest recession with many shops etc closing.
I assume by the end of year Princess Street will have many more closed shops than now.

21

S.M.D.,

Edinburgh 20/02/2009 20:36:51
All this in the year of the Homecoming, when Scotland could have had extra income from tourists...but who is willing to come to a city overshadowed by a tram project?

For those living in euro land, it would be cheaper to holiday in Scotland,BUT will they come now, that all the chaos is happening caused by the trams?

Did the Unionist party's only push the trams through, when there was a time to stop it, because the SNP were against it?
22

Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 20/02/2009 21:26:35
For Godness sake, SCRAP THE "KRAP" project. Nobody wants the trams.
23

connor123,

edinburgh 20/02/2009 23:32:38
i have been driving buses for an awfy long time and i can honestly say i have never met anyone that wants these bloody trams...
they will probably look nice when completed...but who is gonna give monkeys in edinburgh the ghost town..
it's a disgrace

 

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Should the pavements on Princes Street be dug up once tram works are done?
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