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Published Date: 28 November 2008
THE Capital's new tram line has helped attract the interest of three hotel operators who are in talks about opening on Princes Street.
Jewellery and fashion stores are also showing interest in moving on to the street, despite the economic downturn, according to city officials working to mastermind its regeneration.

The positive moves were revealed by council chiefs today as they announced new details of their vision for the future of Princes Street.

The council is brokering talks between property owners and potential investors in an effort to kick-start redevelopment.

The three hotel chains – one luxury, one mid-priced and one aimed at the family market – are all said to have been encouraged by the prospect of trams running straight from the airport to Princes Street, as well as other redevelopments taking place on the street.

The council has set out a "string of pearls" vision which foresees various blocks along Princes Street developing with distinct characteristics.

The council today released an updated development blueprint showing plans for public courtyards at the back of key buildings on Princes Street, such as Boots and Marks & Spencer.

They would complement proposals to introduce traditional shopping arcades along newly created breakthroughs between Princes Street and Rose Street, as well as a big revamp of the lanes around Rose Street.

Jonathan Guthrie, city centre development partnership director for the city council, said: "Things are progressing well. It is our role to facilitate and encourage dialogue between investors and land owners and I am confident this will bear fruit.

"Within the next 12 months, we expect to have more deals finalised with new operators or retailers lined up as well.

"The idea of shopping arcades are not a new concept for Edinburgh, but they can open up new links between the different streets in the city centre.

"With the hotels, the city does have a recognised shortage of beds and there are clear attractions to hotel operators, including the tram link to the airport."

Mr Guthrie said talks with property owners and overseas investors were progressing well, adding talks had been held with a number of fashion and jewellery retailers who are new to the UK and keen to come to Edinburgh.

The development chief has just returned from an international real estate conference in France where he said there was strong interest in Edinburgh from all over the world.

"Despite the downturn, Edinburgh is seen as a safe investment globally and we aim to capitalise on that," he added.

"The current financial problems do not affect the sorts of investors we are talking to as much because they are looking at the longer-term picture in terms of a ten or 20-year timeframe."

The first steps on the "string of pearls" vision have seen plans submitted for an £850 million revamped St James Centre and a new 103-bedroom hotel at 121-123 Princes Street.

The next regeneration focus is now likely to switch towards the west end for which it is hoped detailed plans will be in place within 12 months.

The updated blueprint released today includes more details of previously announced plans to bring the lanes running parallel to Princes Street and Rose Street to life. The majority of these are dark and unappealing places currently used for servicing and rubbish.

It is envisaged that they would be opened up for shops and cafés with the addition of courtyards and breakthroughs from Princes Street.

A similar project in Belfast's Victoria Square brought together a variety of multi-level streets and lanes under a glass covered roof.

The latest council design briefing also includes previously outlined plans to create new glass walkways between key buildings and streets in the city centre.

John Bury, the city council's new head of planning, said: "Princes Street is clearly not fulfilling its potential at the moment and we are taking steps to address that.

"There are so many positives to the Princes Street area, from the gardens to its unrivalled views, that we need to make the most of."

Two listed buildings are to be demolished under plans which will see a £40m glass-fronted hotel and major new department store built on the site directly opposite Edinburgh Castle.

However, heritage groups have not warmed to the plans, upset at the intention to retain only the facade of the Georgian building.

Major shopping developments would be concentrated in the east end, to help capitalise on the close proximity of Harvey Nichols and Multrees Walk, as well as the redeveloped St James Centre.

The west end of Princes Street will be more for the likes of restaurants and bars, and has been dubbed the cultural quarter.

The brief will be put out for a public consultation before being considered by the city council's planning committee next spring.

Tram crisis threatens 'hospital village' plan for Western General
THE trams cash crisis is threatening to derail plans to create a "hospital village" at the Western General.

The proposals, which include moving the Eye Pavilion and dermatology unit from Lauriston Place to the Western, have been revealed by NHS Lothian bosses.

But they say the scheme relies on better public transport links to the Craigleith site, which the proposed tram line 1b from Roseburn to Granton would have provided.

The Evening News revealed last week how the plug is set to be pulled on the £87 million spur line, placing the hospital project in doubt.

NHS Lothian's chief operating officer of acute services and workforce, James McCaffrey, told health board members: "A lot of (the development of the Western] is dependent on the second tram line. Traffic management is one of the main features. I need to get confirmation of what is actually happening."

NHS Lothian bosses essentially want to create two hospital villages in the city.

The Royal Victoria and Royal Edinburgh hospitals would move to the Western, while the Sick Kids and possibly an additional part of the Royal Edinburgh would be transferred to Little France.

A final decision on the future of line 1b has yet to be announced, but a source close to the project said they were only waiting for someone to "sign the death warrant".

Not only would the lack of tram access make it harder for people to get to the Western, it would mean more people taking their cars. Parking is already an issue there after charges were scrapped.

Milestone as project makes tracks
TRAM bosses today hailed a "milestone" in the progress of the £512 million trams project with the arrival of the first set of tracks in the Capital.

The tracks will be transported to South Leith Yard, where they will be stored until their use later in the works.

Work is currently under way to assemble the model tram, which it is hoped will be exhibited to the public early next year.

It is believed one idea under consideration is a mock-up of a tram stop, which could go on show in Princes Street Gardens.




The full article contains 1177 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Leith Walk Trader,

28/11/2008 12:01:35
How about putting the model in Leith - the traders there might welcome the additional visitors who flock to see it!

The businesses in Leith have suffered for fifteen months with the tram works - how about giving something back?

After all, the first tracks are due to be laid at the Foot of Leith Walk next year.
2

Niko Bellic,

28/11/2008 12:02:34
So, these hotel chiefs might be onto something with opening hotels on Princes Street.

Maybe they do good business in Beirut and the gaza Strip.. and want a slice of Princes St chaos.

By the way, why is the usual concatenation of crapp shops on Princes Street called a string of pearls - it's no more a string of pearls retail wise, than some glum, drizzly retail park in Swansea or Sunderland.
3

Buttress,

28/11/2008 12:06:00
The ghastly glass fronted hotel plans are being opposed by bodies such as Historic Scotland. So why write as though this is a forefone conclusion? It isn't passed yet surely?

4

Bill MacD,

28/11/2008 12:13:27
Oh no, more bad news for the anti-tram loonies to moan about! More investment. More jobs. It's all terrible, isn't it.
5

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 28/11/2008 12:19:50
The tram doesnt run straight to the airport. You will not be able to get of the tram at edinburgh Airport and walk straight into the departure or arrivals area.
6

Buttress,

28/11/2008 12:31:36
Soon, Edinburgh is going to be simply hotel after hotel, and it will have lost so much that made it special people won't want to visit.



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World class concrete,

28/11/2008 12:33:23
Princes Street is a great place to invest in hotels because of its natural advantages (i.e. the view). But investing in hotels there has nothing to do with trams. I am so sick of the way the tramline is being talked up, as if isn't already excellent public transport in Edinburgh and especially in Princes Street, and this stupid pretence that trams will save Edinburgh. Every time there's a new development proposed, it can't be because it's a good location for one anyway, it has to be because of trams!
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alex paterson,

edinburgh 28/11/2008 12:34:33
Edinburgh is slowly becoming the glass capital,and there is no history in that.
9

I love to eat Sellotape,

28/11/2008 12:34:51
2.

Nico, you are also forgetting the iconic "Gazza Strip" in Newcastle-on-Tyne.
10

Numptie,

South Queensferry 28/11/2008 12:34:55
#5 Get your facts right. The trams will run right up to the terminal.
http://www.tramtime.com/downloads/detailmaps_nov07/haymarket-airport.pdf
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

28/11/2008 12:38:05
I hear a wurkforce of streetwalkers huv been attracted to the route as weel !
12

Buttress,

28/11/2008 12:45:05
According to the planning portal, the application for demolition of listed buildings and the trapping the retained facade of one behind a glass front etc (which no-one except the applicant and the architects seem to think a sensible idea) has not yet been passed.

13

I love to eat Sellotape,

28/11/2008 12:46:53
I prefer to think of Edinburgh not as a City of Hotels, or a City of Glass, but as a City of Consonants.
14

Niko Bellic,

28/11/2008 13:03:47
There are architectural plans, still widely believed to be extant, for fifty foot statue of Sharleen Spiteri in Princes Street Gardens.

Made entirely of discarded Tennents Super cans and fifty pence coins, this metal monolith will be unhygeinic, unsightly and prone to vandalism, wind damage and magpie attacks.

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28/11/2008 13:07:58
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28/11/2008 13:10:14
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Niko Bellic,

28/11/2008 13:12:14
Glass is a liquid.
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scotsol,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 13:13:52
#7 - The new investment is due to the trams because the investors have apparently said so. Why would they say this if it isn't true?
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28/11/2008 13:17:04
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iMark,

28/11/2008 13:21:01
#17 That glass is a liquid is a commonly believed myth:

http://dwb4.unl.edu/Chem/CHEM869A/CHEM869ALinks/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html
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I love to eat Sellotape,

28/11/2008 13:22:45
Ananda, may I suggest a course in punctuation?
22

Statsman,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 13:28:34
18 scotsol

It is PR spin. The developers needs to pay a big wedge to the council in tram donations anyway. The council's tram LINE is a failing project. Wink Wink Nudge Nudge.
23

Statsman,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 13:32:31
It is important to realise this came from council chiefs and not developers. Pie in the sky no doubt.
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28/11/2008 13:34:54
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alec splode,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 13:36:42
Since when did the trams run directly from the airport ?
26

Buttress,

28/11/2008 13:37:28
This is the monthly 'feel good' story from the EEN which fills pages, all hot air, clearly not enough real news to report.

But look - no 'upbeat' comment from the Chamber of Commerce telling us that demolition of listed buildings and more and more (empty) hotels, epecially allied to conference centres, is what is needed!

How very odd.

Is Ron Hewitt ill?

Is the brown envelope shortage acute?
27

The Landlord,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 13:38:48
I hear what people are saying about glass fronted buildings on a street that should only ever be allowed to have stone fronted buildings, however, it is good to see that people are investing in the street and hopefully one day it will get back to its former glory which would be nice!
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28/11/2008 13:41:13
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Buttress,

28/11/2008 13:47:04
It can never get back to 'former glory', not since the council allowed the demolition of some of the country's finest historic buildings to take place. The daft 'pathways in the air' concept... maybe the 'string of pearls will be equally as damaging.

But the shortsighted such as Coun Cameron 'I voted for Caltongate, Haymarket Tower and the ruination of the listed Odeon' Rose and Coun Jim 'I'll put my hand up for anything as long as it damages historic buildings and makes developers rich even though I'm a Trustee of Edinburgh World Heritage' Lowrie will be fine with it.



30

Hmm ...,

28/11/2008 13:47:30
... do these developers relise that there will be only one tram stop in Princes Street and one other in the opposite direction so their customers will have to carry their suitcases to the hotel? And private hire cars will be unable to enter Princes Street so would have to unload them at the back entrance to be built for the purpose?

Sure about this development? Don't think so somehow!
31

Buttress,

28/11/2008 13:53:16
Do these developers exist?
32

I love to eat Sellotape,

28/11/2008 13:54:20
No, they don't. They're just two-dimensional images, glued onto some cheap cardboard. In a stiff breeze, they will blow over quite easily.
33

Dileas,

28/11/2008 13:55:39
Ananda Krishnan (28) said "25 when (the trams)are finished they will."

Yes, but if the City Council runs out of money and they can't lay the lines btween the city centre and the garage at Gogar, the trams won't run between the city centre and anywhere - unless they erect a tent somewhere that does have a tram line to keep the units in and service them!

And, of course, they wouldn't run to the airport -except from the unused garage.
34

Buttress,

28/11/2008 13:56:50
Coun Lowrie in not very impressive action:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DTmsuJBwlVk
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Skip McClendon,

28/11/2008 13:59:07
Will the Council be encouraging the alleged developers of the alleged hotels to paint them tartan, in the hope that they will become "icons" of Edinburgh that tourists want to be photographed in front of?

Interesting aside on trams work...walking near Haymarket today, overheard two tram workies talking about where they will be employed once the tram works are halted. Just idle gossip from two workies, or insider knowledge of what is soon to come? Adopt your usual positions...
36

Hmm ...,

28/11/2008 14:00:09
... Dileas (33) - droll! "If they run out of money"! As though that could happen! The contract is fixed price - isn't it?

Still, I suppose that if that did happen, the City Council could run buses to link up the "non-tramline" section of the route!

And people would get more exercise getting off one and on to the other but it probably wouldn't impress the customers arriving via the airport to enjoy what 21st Century Edinburgh has to offer.
37

Niko Bellic,

28/11/2008 14:11:41
#20

No, it really is a liquid.

I had a glass of Lucozade for breakfast. If it wasn't a liquid, how comes I was able to drink it?

Riddle me that, smartypants.
38

Buttress,

28/11/2008 14:11:46
And how about this blast from the past?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1403072.stm


2001...
39

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 14:14:59
You can also use glass to make a nice pair of rose-tinted spectacles. It appears that a significant proportion of the tram budget has already been spent on many such pairs---to be worn by those who actually think that this madness is a good idea.
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28/11/2008 14:17:02
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Skip McClendon,

28/11/2008 14:18:11
"Milestone as project makes tracks

TRAM bosses today hailed a "milestone" in the progress of the £512 million trams project with the arrival of the first set of tracks in the Capital.

The tracks will be transported to South Leith Yard, where they will be stored until their use later in the works."

- Let's hope that 'later in the works' means 'before January' by which time, of course, TIE recently assured us all that tram-tracks will have been laid on Leith Walk...
42

Uncle Piehead,

28/11/2008 14:28:25
Let's face it, tram arguments are boring as fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff**k
43

The Judge,

28/11/2008 14:28:39
Do you think someone should tell these mysterious hotel developers that the tramLINE doesn't actually go to the airport and how few stops there will be in Princess St?

Not that we're getting at tramLINE.
44

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 14:30:41
#40 In your little fantasy trams run to the airport building. Meanwhile those of us who have actually done some real research on this project know fine well that the proposed tram stop is not even close to the terminal building, being beyond the main car park, across the road from the Hilton. Technically, it is still on airport land, but only just.

Still , don't let a few facts get in the way of your delusion.
45

I love to eat Sellotape,

28/11/2008 14:36:43
In my little fantasy, trams are run by nubile young ladies in who ply you with grapes in between stops.
46

I love to eat Sellotape,

28/11/2008 14:41:58
One of them is named Giselle.
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28/11/2008 14:44:32
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28/11/2008 14:46:06
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28/11/2008 14:47:02
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tumshie heid,

28/11/2008 15:08:22
So multi million pound developments will be implemented just because there is a wee tram (tartan of course) going up and down Princes Street? Bu##s#it.
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28/11/2008 15:12:17
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11+failed,

the pans 28/11/2008 15:16:01
Plenty of grand talk as usual, totally ignoring the facts.If only the parking could be improved Lidl or Aldi could be persuaded to take on that old Virgin Eyesore, sorry Megastore, in the middle of Princes Street! There will be a few more Eyesores after Christmas
54

Hamish Scott,

28/11/2008 15:24:53
#2
"By the way, why is the usual concatenation of crapp shops on Princes Street called a string of pearls"

The proposals are for a 'string of pearls' it's not a description of the current situation, indeed the whole point is to improve the existing situation.
55

James Collins,

Royal Mile 28/11/2008 15:26:08
Right, Graeme and Ananda.

As of the council meeting earlier this week...

The tram CURRENTLY goes to the airport with a stop at the carpark. This is not far from the airport and people will be quite capable of walking across.

They are plans for it to be up to the door but these have not yet been 100% finalised, due to issues BAA have. These are being rectified and the tram should go up to 50 yards from the departures or arrival doors (probably at the current minibus/taxi rank) But that's when people get things sorted out.
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alex paterson,

edinburgh 28/11/2008 15:28:20
I think we all know where glass comes from,will they be using the glass that you mentioned,my dear fiend,Nah.
57

Dragonlord,

28/11/2008 15:34:30
43# Half mile hike from terminal to tram stop and with only ONE stop on princes st, another half mile hike to the hotel. Can't wait to see all the tourists flocking to Edinburgh by tram.( not that I think it will ever happen)The LINE will die a death as the costs and time scale run amok.
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GraemeH,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 15:41:36
#47. The plans were changed. The airport objected to the original location as they considered it reduced their options for expansion.

If you doubt me, go to the airport and take a look at where they are building!
59

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 15:57:15
"The ghastly glass fronted hotel plans are being opposed by bodies such as Historic Scotland."

'Organisations' such as Historic Scotland, Cockburn Association, 'heritage groups' et al will always object on principle as failure to do so would remove their raison d'etre.

People will always come to visit Edinburgh to attend the various Festivals, see/visit the Castle, Holyrood Palace and the many other historic buildings/events which are not under any threat whatsoever.

Changes to Princes Street, etc will not adversely affect visitors other than to perhaps encourage many more of them . Many may well wish to take advantage of hotel accommodation in (or very close to) the Town centre.

Agreed, many of the present shops are 'tat', however, it would look as if the revamp plans would tend to remove these.

The idea of public courtyards behind Boots', etc would be most welcome as the present atmosphere in these areas is more reminiscent of scenes from 'Jack the Ripper'.

The delivery of a tram service is now most debatable and it's demise would be most welcome to all.











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Buttress,

28/11/2008 16:04:15
Historic Scotland is an arm of government. It is goverbnent policy which says listed buildings should not be needlessly demolished, and there is stuff about what is and isn't suited in sensitve sites ie conservation areas and where the setting of listed buildings will be adversley affected...

Mostly 'heritage groups' object on sound planning and conservation grounds, and like many of us, they actually care about such things. Leaving only buildings such as he castle standing while getting rid of its setting isn't really good conservation.



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tumshie heid,

28/11/2008 16:05:15
#52 Have you ever planned a holiday destination on the basis that the city has trams? Thought not and neither has anyone else I will bet. People who stay in hotels, particulary in this price bracket are not going to get on public transport with all their luggage. Like sensible people they will get a taxi.
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Buttress,

28/11/2008 16:41:28
"Historic Scotland is an executive agency of the Scottish Government and we are charged with safeguarding the nation’s historic environment and promoting its understanding and enjoyment on behalf of Scottish Ministers..."

http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/index.htm
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World class concrete,

28/11/2008 17:16:38
#63: I disagree that "its [trams presumably] more attractive for business". People who come to Edinburgh on business take taxis, they don't use public transport.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 17:19:32
Yet more tram propaganda.

The article basically implies 'oh my, we'd better invest in central Edinburgh hotels because there is a tram LINE running right past them'

Total rubbish, and complete nonsense.

What has not been mentioned in the article is how much these developers will be asked to contribute the tram LINE's construction.

I'd like to see the look on the bosses faces when they are made to pay up millions of pounds towards the bonkers tram project. I wonder how many of the developers will then move their hotel plans elsewhere?

Then again, it would not surprise me one bit if the Council secretly waiver their contributions just to get the contracts and the investment into Princess St and let all the locals, smaller businesses and developers take the pain...

As for the 'milestone' arrival of some tracks in a Leith storeyard, what a load of tosh!

They'll be nicked and sold for scrap metal by sunday evening...


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Grumpy,

28/11/2008 17:33:08
Of course the hoards of visitors on their "round the UK" bus trips that will use the hotels will make full use of the trams - NOT. - Not unless they ban buses and coaches from the city centre.
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Buttress,

28/11/2008 18:14:44
Well, this is not true:

"Two listed buildings are to be demolished under plans which will see a £40m glass-fronted hotel and major new department store built on the site directly opposite Edinburgh Castle."

So it makes you wonder how much of the rest of the article can be believed.

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tumshie heid,

28/11/2008 22:18:36
#63 Please elaborate on how a tram is "more attractive for business?
We already have buses and taxis that can make the journey from the airport perfectly adaquately. Quite how the tartan tram will make people who wouldn't have otherwise have come is beyond me.
This kind of blind faith is why we are in such a mess.
Why should we have trams? Because they are good and every world class city has them shouldn't really have been enough to foist this ill fated travesty upon us.
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PaulB,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 22:20:33
Why no mention of Councillor Phil Wheeler's positive comments about the trans being on time and on budget? (BBC Scotland Online 28/11) That would be a great new story for Edinburgh. Or is it just the usual EEN anti-tram / anti everything positive in the city cr*p as usual? Let's have some balanced reporting for a change, instead of the constant drip, drip of anti-tram stories.
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Leila,

Edinburgh 28/11/2008 22:58:50
'69: so the normally invisible Phil Wheeler pops his head above the parapet and states that trams are on time and on budget? Big deal. And we're all meant to believe it just because he says so?

Trams are not a positive for the city. There are lots of good things about Edinburgh, but trams aren't one of them. Our council realised that in the 1950s and got rid of them.
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tumshie heid,

29/11/2008 00:41:50
#69 Wheeler appears to say something about the trams around the same time as they are releasing stupid propaganda about mock trams and fantastic tartan liveries. He won't be heard in the near future when the whole damned thing is shelved much to the delight of most of Edinburgh.
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The Judge,

29/11/2008 08:31:23
#69 PaulB(tie/council employee?)

Here's what Big Phil actually said:

"I'm confident that we are still on budget and that we can deliver it on time - I have no reason to believe otherwise."

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So we've to believe the project is "on time" and "on budget" just because Phil Wheeler is confident?

I'm confident there's a god above but I can't prove it, nor would I expect you to believe it just because of my confidence, but I can prove to you this project is well over budget and months behind schedule.

If you're reading this Mr Wheeler please tell us the exact date and time you first heard about the £20k report your department(TIE)commissioned into the removal of the war memorial at Haymarket?

The facts don't tie in with the statement you made last month.


 

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