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Published Date:
02 June 2007
THE head of Britain's national online child protection centre sparked outrage yesterday by arguing that paedophiles who view child pornography should not necessarily go to jail.
Jim Gamble, of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said a police caution and treatment to address their paedophilia would, in many cases, be a better option than prison.

"We shouldn't be sending everyone that ever commits an offe
nce - particularly of the viewing kind - to prison," he said, adding that some offenders could be "managed" and dealt with by police caution in a way that allowed them to maintain their lives and their families.

His comments triggered incredulity from child protection experts and politicians, who said Mr Gamble was giving "completely the wrong message".

Mr Gamble said it was time to adopt a more "intelligent posture" in tackling the problem.

"[If] someone is at the beginning of the spiral of abuse, where there is evidence to indicate that this person may well benefit from a police caution and be managed, then, of course, that needs to be done."

A spokesperson for Children 1st, one of Scotland's leading childcare charities, said: "Sex offenders should get appropriate prison sentences, which doesn't always happen. They need to get effective treatment programmes and complete them before coming out.

"We support more effective treatment as well as prison, not instead of prison."

Michele Elliott, director of children's charity Kidscape, added: "If you download child pornography, you are just as guilty as the people who are taking the photographs.

"You create a market, because you want to view child pornography, therefore a child is abused for your pleasure. As far as I am concerned, that means prison.

"Obviously, that means different length prison sentences for different crimes, but as far as I'm concerned, there's a child victim out there, and justice demands that you go to prison for having been involved in the abuse of a child."

Bill Aitken MSP, the Scottish Tories' justice spokesman, said: "At the moment, offences of this type in many cases do not result in custody, but the point has to be made that one child being exploited in this type of filthy trade is one too many.

"Those who feed the porn trade in so far as kids are concerned should be aware that jail is appropriate. To suggest otherwise sends out a completely wrong message."

The number of websites containing indecent images of children has grown from 3,400 in 2004 to an estimated 6,000 last year. In its first year of operations in 1996, the Internet Watch Foundation, a global online watchdog, received 615 reports of internet abuse compared to 27,750 reports last year.

Mr Gamble later sought to clarify his views, issuing a statement which said offenders must face the "full powers of the criminal justice system".

He added: "In most cases, that will mean prison, in other cases that may mean an adult caution. In all cases it will mean that the perpetrator is introduced to a system that manages the risk they pose to society and, in particular, children.

"That is how cases are handled now. That is how cases should be handled."

Tory peer Lord Taylor of Warwick, who is a judge and patron of Kidscape, said it was "perfectly proper" for Mr Gamble to raise the issue, but he had used a clumsy form of words.



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  • Last Updated: 01 June 2007 8:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Arnistonlad,

Canada 02/06/2007 00:27:40

I'm not surprized that another "do gooder" is opting for lighter sentences for paedophiles. That is why our society is in such a mess and perverts feel free to do whatever they please as they know they will only get a slap on the wrist.

What does shock me is the lack of response to this article; does this also signal the general " who cares " attitude of the New Britain.?

2

Guga II,

Rockall 02/06/2007 01:53:26

This moron, Jim Gamble, should be well aware that paedophiles and similar perverts do not change; they cannot be "cured" or rehabilitated. If people like him, and other trendies, get their way, these perverts will be allowed to continue their predations on children.

Child pornography is not a victimless crime, and the purveyors and viewers of such filth are accessories to these crimes. These perverts and predators should be hanged or, in lieu of the proper punishment, they should be locked up for life.

Anyone who thinks they should be allowed to roam free is, in my opinion, as guilty as the perverts, as they are, in fact, aiding and abetting their crimes.

3

Suck-McCrunchie,

02/06/2007 02:25:02

Great idea - it could keep down prison overcrowding, and after all the children featuring in it would obviously not be real children, and sad sickos wanting to see this type of stuff obviously does not encourage other pecuniarily motivated sickos to make it.

Jim Gamble should be banged up as his idea is as good as encouraging it.

4

Lanna,

wild west 02/06/2007 06:08:37

"They (paedophiles) need to get effective treatment programmes..."
Are they smoking dope??!! Please define 'effective'! The only treatment these guys should get is to be put on the prison mainline...let justice take its course.

I think all of these 'experts' need to adopt a paedophile to live at home with them, if they think they can be cured! A bullet is too good for anyone who harms a child!

Sorry, gentlemen, must be the mother bear coming out....

5

Jason,

Japan 02/06/2007 06:26:50

You would do well to research Operation Ore as the UK end of Operation Landslide. Because Operation Ore is shaping up to be the miscarriage of justice of the century. UK police forces have belated realised that credit card evidence is not, in and of itself sufficient to secure a conviction. And for many a promising police officer’s career, involvement in Operation Ore is fast becoming the kiss of death. All those thousands of middle age, middle class men with no previous that have had their lives ruined: They protested their innocence but weren't believed. And some 39 committed suicide. Well credit card details were stolen on a huge scale and used to further crime by organised crime organisations. If class action suits succeed some police forces will need an immediate injection of funds to continue to function. Bottom line: Operation Ore has gone tits up.

6

Edgar,

02/06/2007 07:46:56

This is another phase in the "normalising" of this kind of behaviour, inadvertant or otherwise. At first, the realisation that this child pornography was on thousands of computers was a shock, not now. Lock them up and throw away the key may have been the response. Not now. It was a short prison sentence, then community service, soon a caution. Why? The system can't cope too many people are doing it? Mr Gamble probably means well (though I can't see how), but the downgrading of the offence will be the consequence. I heard one commentator on Radio 5, yesterday, say that paedophiles are born that way. The inference is they can't help it and this should be understood, only a short distance from saying - understood in mitigation. We are well practised at re-classifying in order to wish away problems and dilemmas. In time this may well go the same way, as our views are slowly altered.

7

JG,

Fife 02/06/2007 07:58:56

Every time someone views an image of a child being abused they are paying another person somewhere for the "privelege". They are effectively subsidising a pervert to harm an innocent child. Does this man not think such a person deserves the jail? I'll bet he would change his tune if it was HIS child. Suggesting "treatment" infers that these people have some sort of curable illness - they don't. Paedophilia cannot be cured - ask the people who run the programmes. Even they admit the best they can do is to delay reoffending - that's why it's a good idea to have these beasts take part in the programmes in jail (we aren't going to keep them inside forever, so better that than nothing!). And many (I know not all do) become bored with just viewing porn and "progress" to something worse. If the jails are empty why not empty them of those people who are not a danger to the community - like fraudsters - or just build some more!!!

8

JG,

Fife 02/06/2007 08:01:27

#9
"if the jails are full" - brain not keeping up with typing this morning!!!

9

Mrs. Trellis,

Devon 02/06/2007 09:29:33

How did it go.."Suffer the little children come unto me".. Yeah right!

Mrs.T

10

decent one,

02/06/2007 09:32:13

Castrate them all, including those 'just viewing child pornography'. Their sex drive will diminish. 25 years minimum sentence for those involved in paedophilia of any kind. Build more prisons.
Easy !

11

leslp,

FRANCE 02/06/2007 10:32:47

I'm french and I think this man , Mr GAMBLE is certainly pédophile himself to say that !!!!!!*
The police must chek his computer !!!!!!

12

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/06/2007 10:39:39

There is a fundamental flaw in the argument presented by Kidscape and echoed by others here, and it exposes the truth in what Jim Gamble, in a better position to judge than anyone else in the country, is saying. There are in fact different offences and different impacts depending on the actions of the offender.

Most people who view porn on the internet, and there are millions of them, do not pay for it. They use free sites. And most of the free sites do not contain child porn, just adult porn. However some of the free sites include pictures of underage models and many of those sites try to persuade the viewer to pay some money to get more of the same, but the punter who is browsing only the free sites is making NO impact on the child pornography trade, because he is not supplying any MONEY. This is a vital point, which is too often lost on the general kneejerk public.

It is undoubtedly true that those who pay for child porn pictures are guilty of encouraging that trade and must be punished by prison sentences. It is also undoubtedly true that child abuse is a heinous and dreadful crime which needs to be severely punished. But those who end up with pictures of under-age models on their disks obtained purely from free sites are a different class of offender altogether, and Jim Gamble is absolutely right to suggest that the appropriate response for those people is non-custodial and should be an attempt to end harmful behaviour at that stage.

We have a chronic inability to engage in sensible debate on this subject in the UK. We are desperately scared by it, and appear to go into a collective blind panic as witnessed by the worrying number of ignorance-based posts above. We would be much better off to listen, think and follow the advice of those with experience of the reality of these crimes.

13

Alex of the north,

England 02/06/2007 11:07:29

Viewing free child pornography images such as those from filesharing networks is a completely victimless crime as no money is contributed to their production. Peadophilia is a disease, a mental illness and people should not be punished for having it, they should be treated. Punishment should only be met out to child abusers, including those who fund the abuse by paying for the images.

This 'castrate them, hang them' attitude typical of the mob is what keeps peadophiles underground and prevents proper treatment from being researched and implemented. It might sell papers and make people feel big but it does not save children.

14

JG,

Fife 02/06/2007 11:11:04

#14 Duncan
It is not an offence to view adult porn - if you want to want watch naked adults willingly taking part in sexual acts, you carry on. The problem arises when children are involved - many of the sites you mention most likely show photos of girls who look young and are made up to look even younger. You may be right, perhaps it is an effort to encourage the deviants amongst us to view much more salacious pictures but the person concerned has to have an inclination towards that kind of thing - I certainly wouldn't want to see them. The people who do go on to access these revolting images should be severely punished - they ARE subsidising perverts and it's not just pictures they're looking at - it's REAL children being horribly abused and scarred for life.

15

JG,

Fife 02/06/2007 11:18:57

#15 Alex
So what about the children in the pictures, Alex? Are they not victims? How damaged do you think they are as a result of what was done to them? Ever spoken to any of them?

I would be interested to hear what kind of treatment you could suggest to stop a paedophile from being one. You can no more stop them from lusting after their chosen targets than you could stop me from fancying the French rugby team or you from drooling over your chosen object of desire. As I said before, even the people running the current treatment programmes only admit they delay the re-offending behaviour, not stop it all together (although I suppose that has to be better than nothing)

16

Media 1,

cape town and stockbridge 02/06/2007 12:10:16

Paediophiles must be killed. There is absolutely no way of rehabilitating these people and its not societies job to try.

We need to accept that nature delivers us some sick buggers.

Bring back the death penalty and hang them. Its the least we can do for our children.

17

Alex of the north,

England 02/06/2007 12:16:08

#17 JG
What of the children? People who download free images do not contribute to their abuse and the children are not 'their victims', which is the point Jim Gamble and myself are putting forward. Talking about their suffering when discussing people who do not contribute to their abuse is just a fallacious appeal to emotion.

I was not suggesting treatment to cure peadophilia. I was suggesting treatment to prevent the progression from peadophile to child abuser. People dont seem to realise that being a peadophile is not illegal, being a child abuser is.
Current treatment offered to offenders is minimal at best because the massive stigma hampers any research efforts considerably. Most peadophiles cannot even seek treatment for fear of exposure and vigilantisim even though they have not commited a crime.

18

Aoda,

Pennsylvania Wilds 02/06/2007 12:19:33

Jim Gamble can't be series, can he. If he is best to get him out of his position fast. In the first place the authorities should investigate the pictures. It is obvious that a child was abused, to get the picture and probably is still being abused.

But no, the arguement has been for sometime to rationalize what and why the pereson did what they did. Sad when people who are supposet to protect our children come out with this kind of garbage.

19

decent one,

02/06/2007 12:56:17

Alex of the north,
So what are YOUR suggestions for treatment.
If they were castrated would their sex drive be reduced and their desire to re-offend diminished ? Mmm.. Yes. These type of people deserve no second chance. I do however agree with you about men viewing free under-age pornography, perhaps they should avoid castration and given a warning. My measures are extreme but I defy anybody to say they wouldn't save childrens' lives.

20

Ralph Kramden,

02/06/2007 15:16:50

Paediophiles cannot be cured so we have three choices - chemical castration (partially effective), lock them up for life (partially effective) or execution. The latter to my knowledge has a 100% success rate.

Any organization which knowingly promotes or tries to hide teh abuse of children should also be targetted - every jock knows that........ no body, religous or otherwise should be protected from prosecution

21

Colin B,

Bearsden 02/06/2007 15:16:55

Jim Gamble is not a independent expert he is an ex police officer who spent most of his time behind a desk or networking with social workers-he's become institutionalised, conditioned and lazy - he has almost ceertainly spoken wothout the suport of his stakeholders and he's failed to answer the question -
Can Paedophiles Harm Children While They are in Prison ? Its quite easy Yes or No Question that an Expert Should Be Able to Answer.
What appals me is that such a liberal, complacent apologist could get such a job and that the organsation has let itself be highjacked so easily. WOnder why he left the Police ?

22

Faye,

02/06/2007 15:25:43

What happens if someone accidentally hits a link and it turns out to be child porn?

How many people have been sent an unsolicited link? How can it be properly policed?

If someone is on these sites they are creating a market for a child to be abused and should be charged.

People don't want molesters hanging around their kids, they are the scum of society and their intent is sexual pleasure with a minor.

Couldn't we consider using them for research and save primates and other wild animals whose only "crime" is to be an animal bred for torture?

23

Independent,

Chicago 02/06/2007 15:53:05

No wonder Europe is going to hell in a handbasket.

24

JG,

Fife 02/06/2007 18:41:09

#19 Alex
I'm quite sure those "free images" will be provided to whet the appetite of these perverts for more of the same. Show them a sample and get them to pay for the rest. Realising that every time someone views a picture it's because a child has been abused is not an emotional appeal - it's a fact. And the main reason that child abusers are locked up is to protect the public (and obviously that means the children) from them.

By suggesting that they can be treated infers that this is an illness - it's not. There is no medical cure for paedophilia. By inferring that it is, you only allow those men to make what they feel or do somehow respectable - "I couldn't help myself - I need treatment". And how do you identify the men who are having lewd thoughts but will not actually abuse a child from the ones who will? What do you do to stop them?

You have to keep the main focus of this stuff in sight - THE SAFETY OF THE INNOCENT CHILDREN.

25

Jason,

Japan 03/06/2007 01:03:08

Let me throw you a curved ball (what, again?). Take the actress Keira Knightley in Pirates of the Caribbean, Curse of the Black Pearl (gasp, grunt, quick my pacemaker). Now a lot of gentlemen have got rather hot under the collar over this little number, including Jeremy Clarkson in print. A tad unwise in my view, because the lady in question turned 18 the day after shooting finished. Doubtless this is why the producer insisted her dear mama be on set during production. Must say I dug the cut glass accent and Jane Austin dialogue. However, had the director said, "Can you get your top off, love?" the entire crew and cast could have been looking at child pornography charges.
That's how UK law stands: Hump the brains out of a 16-year-old, no problem, however morally reprehensible. But film consummation of the relationship and your feet won't touch the ground on the way to the slammer.
"The law is an ass", isn't that the expression I'm reaching for?

26

boudica,

Glasgow 03/06/2007 08:18:27

To say it is a Mental Illness is a cop out if so then anyone who has Sexual Desires is Mentally Ill it is a Perversion plain and simple and Medicine has yet to come up with anything that stops this perversion be it Physical Castration or Medicated Castration as they do not stop the Desire to do such Horrific acts and looking at Pictures is facilitating those who take the Pictures ....When it comes to drugs they say ...hash leads on to Harder Drugs ...Then Viewing these Pictures may lead on to wanting to experience the act portrayed in the Pictures ..The Law must be tough on those that veiw as well as those that do ..

27

Hjalmar52,

Canada 03/06/2007 22:07:49

In a problem-solving vein, how about hypnotism? How about pedophilia overdose? As in a "home for pedophiles", all the free child pornography you can view, stay til you are sick of it, this institution would keep viewers from progressing to acting on their impulses.. maybe pedophiles would "volunteer" for treatment? It would keep them out of "your backyard", should be cheaper than prisons, aren't there different levels of offenders? Do they remain at a level or do they progress (regress?).. Have there been any studies on the subject? (governments have studied everything else) .. first the "War on Drugs" and next the "War on Pedophiles".. what's next? Prohibition of everything? Well, it's just my observation but the Police State is alive and well.. the answer? more prisons, more police, more Big Brothers watching.. thought crimes, lynch mobs & vigilantes.. no forgiveness and zero tolerance (that's the christian way).. Life is tough!
"When you point a finger, three of them are pointing back at you"


 

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