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Unions attack leaked 'work-for-dole' plans



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Published Date: 19 July 2008
INCAPACITY benefit will be scrapped within five years and the jobless will have to work full-time after two years out of work in exchange for the dole, under welfare reform proposals leaked yesterday.
American-style "work for dole" sanctions are part of the controversial package of radical reforms that were due to be unveiled just days before the Glasgow East by-election.

The proposal was met with outrage by unions. Brendan Barber, the genera
l-secretary of the Trades Union Congress, said the radical reforms were a mistake.

Other controversial measures include depriving addicts of welfare unless they attend treatment programmes and forcing all claimants to carry out four weeks' work in exchange for the dole after a year on benefits.

In a letter to the Treasury accompanying the leaked paper, James Purnell, the Work and Pensions Secretary, said: "For too long, certain groups have been left to drift into long-term inactivity and become detached from the labour market."

The "vast majority" of disabled people would be helped to stay in or get back to work, he said, promising a "significant increase" in support funding.

Private companies will also be enlisted to help steer people into jobs and will receive payment by results.

One of the pilot areas for the scheme is expected to be Glasgow, where Labour faces the crucial by-election on Thursday.

Rules on government announcements during elections prevent the government from confirming where the pilot areas will be, but Glasgow East's 11,000 incapacity claimants might be targeted by the reforms. The paper from the Department for Work and Pensions spells out its tougher approach, saying: "For those who are capable of working, there will be no right to a life on benefits."

The paper shows that the government has rubber-stamped the recommendations by David Freud, an investment banker who believes up to two million people are unnecessarily claiming incapacity benefit.

Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said it was a "quite brave" move to publish the radical proposals – opposed by some Labour MPs – just days before the election.



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  • Last Updated: 18 July 2008 9:34 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

subrosa,

19/07/2008 00:37:54
Now where have I heard something like this before? Then it was suddenly shelved ...
2

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 19/07/2008 00:39:16
"The proposal was met with outrage by unions. Brendan Barber, the general secretary of the Trades Union Congress, said the radical reforms were a mistake."

Wow, he certainly sounds outraged. Why are there no actual proper quotes from the unions to back up the headline, and instead just a load of weaselly government propaganda about how they're going to persecute the poor and disadvantaged in ways that even Thatcher would have been embarrassed by?
3

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 19/07/2008 00:42:37
Sounds like a Thatcherite policy from a Labour Government maybe the people in Glasgow East should be told
4

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 19/07/2008 00:43:20
And incidentally - if the long-term unemployed are to be forced into "full-time" slave labour in exchange for an unsurvivable pittance in benefits, exactly when are they supposed to go and look for real jobs? In their toilet breaks?
5

Iainbroch,

Moray 19/07/2008 00:51:38
Left to drift into long term inactivity and become permanently detached from the Labour market - oh do they men like Labour MPs in safe seats?
6

Iainbroch,

Moray 19/07/2008 00:53:13
Trade Union outrage - the same bawbags that finance the Labour Party and the same bawbags that Labour are going cap in hand to?
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

TROLL CLEANER 19/07/2008 01:45:22
Time for the SNP to get out the Brown and Thatcher leaflets. It may be too late to win the election, I don't know but it is time to destroy Labour's grip on the poor by exposing their record on poverty and social policies!

Time for Labour to go!
9

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 19/07/2008 01:57:25
There does not seem to be much real difference between Labour and Tory policies these days. It seems more a matter of style than substance.

The Tories quite happily trumpeted this initiative in their Weldare Green paper 6 Months ago. Now Labour has nicked it, but they are seeking to get it in under the radar, after the By election.

Given the shear number of people on incapacity benefit in East Glasgow, Labour better hope than since they are incapable of working, they will also be incapable of voting. We will have to see if they understand enlightened self interest or if they really are the brainless sheep that labour thinks they are.
10

eric,

lothian 19/07/2008 08:32:36
Talk about alienating yourself!Actually incap ben will not exist from this october.They want to pay private firms bounty to take jobseekers for 2 yrs then after that go into jobcentre each day so sign to workfare,Half the population who are in work are in dire poverty!
11

Tolle1,

19/07/2008 08:42:23
New Labour are not just continuing to kick the what David Cameron described as I think the `fat and lazy` individuals who are on benefit, but also when they are down they are determined to exclude them from the so called "normal society" totally.

They also have the arrogance to bring in private companies to make these new intended inhumane policies work, these will be the same breed of people, who are responsible for the the pending `economic depression', wasted billions of pounds spent on IT systems introduced into the NHS that do not work and lining their own pockets at the same time with state money.

Were any person on benefits to receive a payment they should not have, no matter how small, their benefits would be stopped right away, but the private sector fat cats not only get to keep the money they made, but get new contracts to drain the state finances even further.

This will not save the country any money, it will probably cost more over time, as the greedy private predators suck more public money into their own bank accounts, while others starve and are homeless.

They hope to achieve thin in 5 years, even if they do eradicate what not only David Cameron calls the `lazy fat` people who are on Incapacity Benefit' within this timescale, they are forgetting one thing!

The people who may agree with them just now that it is a good idea whether a person is incapable to work due to ill health, they should be made to work and if they do not they will lose their benefit, they may just be some of the people who just shortly will be in the same position.

In the current climate these same people should think twice, because they may be one of the people who will be made redundant, have their house repossessed, not be able to obtain another house from the local authorities and may even develop a mental health problem due to all the pressure and stress they have been through once the pending economic depression really begins to bite and unemployment so
12

Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 08:46:45
The House of Cards is collapsing.

It is better than anything you'll ever see on tele.

ENJOY
13

John S,

19/07/2008 09:03:57
Tebbit hits out at Tories and names Brown as Thatcher's natural heir. Lord Tebbit declared ...........that it was only natural that Mr Brown should make himself the "heir to Thatcher". The Times - September 26, 2007
14

Boy Wonder,

19/07/2008 09:09:48
Work for Dole? If you are able to work ... it wouldn't be for the piddling amount the benefit system actually pays out to live on.

I know a few people who can't work because of long-term illness and believe me ... the benefits they get are less than a tenth of what the able-bodied earn. I don't know they can cope with food and fuel going up, yet last May's benefit increase was about £1.20 a week!

Oh it looks like a lot more when the Media and Govt present it as "real-term" increase and give you percentages ... but in practice, it's a very different story.

But what does it say about our society when we moan about helping those who can't help themselves through no fault of their own? Or do you believe that everyone on the sick is a fiddler? I don't believe it's as bad as the powers-that-be would have us believe!

Or are we prepared to create a new underclass of people one step up from slavery??
15

Pink Sombrero,

19/07/2008 09:53:37
15. Very good post, and your last point is well worth pondering - forcing people to work for money which would be a fraction of the minimum wage is morally questionable and repulsive.

Abolosihing incapacity benefit is similarly draconian, and the assumption seems to be that everyone who receives benefits is scamming the system.

I have known several people who relied on benefits - one a lady virtually parlaysed and blinded by MS - she could not have survived on the benefits she received and had to use her savings to supplement the meagre benefits she received.
16

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 10:08:54
Those that can't work should be provided for. Those that can work should be working and if they have no job then the state should busy them with tasks.

All this talk of slavery is nonsense. They are currently getting the money for doing nothing. Getting them out and into a routine would be a good thing. Get them out and meeting other people.

As a society we will be stronger if all hands are on deck.

No one is surely talking about the seriously ill, the infirm or the old. The ones I want to see out helping are the bams hanging around town centres and housing estates.

Surely not even the most communist of labour supporters believe all benefits claimants are genuine or actually looking for work.

I know people who have not worked for 40 years, whose kids do not work, or at least not officially work.

Why should I pay more tax so my 25 year old healthy neighbour can stay at home drinking wine everyday with his mates?
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 10:11:31
Why is their 11,000 claimants of Incapacity Benefit in Glasgow East ?

a. there is a high number of illnesses statistically considerably higher than the general population.

b. there are thousands of people who know how to screw the system.

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Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 11:22:14
I, for one want to live in a society where the poorest aren't shafted at every turn, where old folks aren't freezing to death because they can't afford to heat their houses AND feed themselves. Sure there are abusers, but surely the needy don't deserve to suffer any more.

VOTE SNP for a fairer society
20

Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 19/07/2008 11:22:53
Re: 18. Yes, there are SOME people who are undoubtedly screwing the system but the vast majority are not and with regard to incapacity benefit it is Labour and the Tories who created this problem as it was both of them who deliberately put people onto incapicity benefit so they could hide the REAL unemployment figure which is nowhere near as low as 1-2 million. The REAL figure is more like 3-6 million which is why Labour has continually put-up taxes since 1997 yet we have little to show for it.
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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 19/07/2008 11:26:32
Jimmy the Pie, the SNP wouldn't be able to afford a 'fairer society' as many independent studies point-out. Labour and the Tories are just plain wicked and are two sides of the same corrupt and incompetant coin. If they hadn't put people on incapacity benefit and destroyed our industries then the people who are genuinely screwing the system would be a lot easier to spot and they could be dealt with.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 12:12:00
RE: #21 Barry

I agree labour has a lot to answer for but I also feel people should be responsible for themselves.

Imagine the economic improvement of getting everyone working together for the good of everyone.

It is right we protect the weak. It is equally right we challenge the theft of benefits from certain people.

In truth the worst area's in britian are labour area's. Run into the ground by self serving career toon councilors and MP's.

There is another way. It is called work.
23

Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 19/07/2008 12:32:06
The best way of finding-out who is screwing the system and who isn't is for the government to genuinely help people into work. The so-called 'New Deal' has been a MASSIVE FAILURE. I know because I've been on it and whilst I was on it people who could have found work fairly easily were in the same room as people who did have genuine barriers infront of them to gaining work such as inexperience and lack of skills ext. The priority with the 'New Deal' is to get those who can find work easily (and who shouldn't be on it) into employment quickly to make the unemployment figures look good whilst those who do need serious help get overlooked as they require a lot of help and this will take time so there would be a delay to the unemployment figures coming-down. The Labour Party has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA of how to make their 'reforms' work. If they were serious about this then the New Deal would be completely overhauled with MORE MONEY being spent on it and this would be targetted specifically at the hard to help. If taxpayers knew the full truth of how their money was being wasted on this scheme they would be appalled.


P.S Many of these private companies just take the money and run and so Labour propose more of the same!
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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 19/07/2008 13:05:13
Re: 4. You make a very good point. This is one of the problems with the 'New Deal'. When I was on it, we were meant to be doing 'job search' on computers ect but there were not enough to go around for everyone in teh room. Also, many of the people could have easily found jobs just by being at home and doing their job search there. Before this thick government came to power, the longterm jobless could use their own iniative and go on part-time (ie less than 21 hours a week) college course ect and learn new skills and now they can't do this because they have to be at these centres and all because Labour (and the Tories) don't trust the longterm unemployed and think ALL OF THEM are deliberately skiving off work and so they have to be treated like prisoners and be constantly supervised!
25

Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 19/07/2008 13:11:41
Re:7 This doesn't so much smack of fascism as Labour bigotry, cheap vote catching and downright stupidity. After all the fascists in Nazi Germany and in Italy DID find work for people even if it was by cheating ie building armanents ect.
26

Col. Blimp­IV*,

19/07/2008 14:56:17
#26 Barry Donald Scarfe,

We all probably know someone or of someone who is making who is making a spurious claim for incapacity benefit and I suppose something should be done about it but that hardly means that malingerers make up the majority, never mind 100% of claimants.

Punishing the innocent along with the guilty and forcing the walking wounded to dig their own graves was piloted 60 odd years ago on the Continent and in the far east as well I beleive...surelly that sort of thing won't catch on here will it?


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19/07/2008 15:48:32
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Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 16:38:57
Any further updates on New Labour Sleaze and Corruption's retired serial swindler David Marshall???

Remember the words from Faither Cairns "I would ask the media to give David (Marshall) and his family some privacy as he is suffering ill health"
Aye right - Maybe repetitive strain injury from continually counting his ill gotten gains???
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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 19/07/2008 17:18:56
Col. Blimp I believe a lot of the people on incapacity benefit can do SOME kind of work but I DON'T BLAME THEM for being on it as it has been the DELIBERATE policy of both Tory and now New Labour governments to push 'troublesome' (ie the hard to help) people onto this benefit to 'massage' the offical unemployment figures. If they were on the benefit they should be on ie JSA the unemployment figure would be more like 3-6 million. Labour and Tory have been really dumb in doing this and not just dishonest because when people are on incapacity benefit and not on the JSA they aren't under quite so pressure to find work.



The whole approach of both Labour and Tory to welfare 'reform' is based-upon the assumption that everyone on benefits is some kind of scrounger. Unless they change that assumption they will find that the people on these schemes will do their utmost to not co-operate ect as has been shown with recent figures saying the number of assaults ect at job centres has been rising. Basically, if you treat people like something you would find on the back of your shoe then people will respond in kind.


New Labour have taken on all the worst aspects of the Tory Party and magnified them many times over so it is no wonder they are so unpopular everywhere. If they aren't careful they could be heading for a real meltdown in support on a worse scale than the Tories suffered in 1997.
31

Scottish 'N British,

19/07/2008 18:21:54
What, again?

How many times have we heard this guff before?

The idle sponge off us to to the extent of, say, well, sqwillions of £billions every year. That's a lot of money for each man, woman and child in Great Britain.

And it's no use jist blaming yon Westmeenster lot - The expenses junkies at Follyrood are just as guilty.

32

Eve,

Scotland 19/07/2008 18:42:24
Are they going to give these people proper support to help them back in to employment.

For ever job avaible there is an estaminted 7 people looking for work. How do you make some one whos been on the dole for years more empolyable than someone who just moving job.

I tell you it's a night mare trying to find a job, when you anti got one. The job centre are incompitet, very few staff at the job centre were understaning about my dyslexia and didn't give a S$£% that most of there forms are difficult for dyslexics to read and fill out.

They also don't lisen when you tell them that the jobs avaible don't give enoth time for you to fill out the application form.

If this is the way they treat dyslexics then who to they treat people who have other problems i.e. health or litercey problems down to there schools incompancey.


And I really must mention this pisees of shocking information. I once went to a job interview at the oppsite side of the country to where I signed on and the job centre just couldn't understand that I wouldn't be able to sign on that day because I would be back until late i.e affter 8pm. The job centre staff appear to have no understandatiopn of geography.
33

Eve,

Scotland 19/07/2008 18:49:43
#32 Scottish 'N British: I just lovve the way you can compare something of 301 years to something of 11years.

OMG it's like trying to compare morden art with triditonal art. The only thing they have incommon is that they are Art and people will pay millions for an item by a famous artist.

Geuss what the it was the unionist that made the rules at Hollyrood and the new Scottish Goverment are trying tieing up thoes rules.
34

Scottish 'N British,

19/07/2008 18:57:00
34

Not true.

I do it because I was promised Nirvana by Mr Salmond, your Leader. I was fooled, just as the thoosands of Scots students were when he promised to scrap their student debt, and our cops were promised company on their beat.

Look closer and you'll see that the "second homes" scandal affects your Separatist MSP's as it does my Unionist ones.

Then there were the daily changes demanded of Morales' team which pumped the cost of Follyrood from an estmated £30m to an obsenely high £430m.

They are all guilty.
35

Eve,

Scotland 19/07/2008 19:13:57
#35 Scottish 'N British: Yer talking p"£$ I was a student when the SNP where elected and I've benfited by NOT haveing to pay ~£2,300 when I graduated.

Niver said it was just the unioinst MSP that had tooken advantage. I said it was Unionist that wrote the rules so these things can happen.

I'm sorry that contains the word "Morales'" makes no sence. I have NOT GOT a clue what its about and I don't reconse the word. May be it's spelt wrong or My consentration has gone to pot!!

AND With that I think I need to go and refule, my energy suplies. Tea time mmmmm!
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Eve,

Scotland 19/07/2008 19:16:12
opps have just relaise that I'v missed a bit out of paragrah. It should have read (#36):

I'm sorry the paragraph that contains the word "Morales'" makes no sence. I have NOT GOT a clue what its about and I don't reconse the word. May be it's spelt wrong or My consentration has gone to pot!!
37

Scottish 'N British,

19/07/2008 19:27:37
36, 37

Enrique Morales, now deceased, was the architect.

BTW, I'm please you're happy at Salmond scrapping the GES and saving you £2,300.

You may recall he initially promised to scrap ALL of your student debt, and not just a wee bit of it.

I do recall reading somewhere that the average Scots student's debt on graduating is around £13,500.

By my calculation Salmond's failure to come good for you and each and every other Scottish student can be priced at the tune of £11,000.



38

bill-alba,

fife 19/07/2008 19:49:31
#38...I will repeat what has been said too numerous to count...the promise was that during his term he would abolish student debt..that 4 years not 1 year...
It is however a fact that students are better of now than they were a year ago.
39

Scottish 'N British,

19/07/2008 20:22:36
39

A campaign paper from 2006 (I think stated an SNP Executive led by Salmond "would write off" the debt to the SLC for Scots domiciled students.

When Nikki unveiled the policy she said it would "allow for the write-off of the existing graduate debt from student loans that holds so many young people back from taking entrepreneurial risks and getting on the housing ladder".

In November 2006 Fiona Hyslop stated that "an SNP Government will abolish the student loans system and replace it with a fairer system of student grants and will write off the outstanding student loans debt."

Please stop spinning.

40

Eve,

Scotland 19/07/2008 20:38:15
#38 Scottish 'N British: Thank you for informing me that it's a person.


I don't have a clue how much I owe on my student lone. It will be above average because I went to college before spending 4 years at Uni.

It's a lot of money, I never thought the SNP would cancell it in one swoop. I remeber watching a politacal programme before the election last year. I beive it was Nicola Surgen who said some thing along the lines of these:

The goverment would pay off the student loan pices by pices as a reward to students who stay in the country (naturaly refering to Scotland)and work in vital instustys to prosper Scotland. As these are the jobs that graduates would hope to get.

They also want to atract highly skilled jobs to come to Scotland so Scottish Graduates have a choice and don't have to leave.

Which to me someone who doesn't want to permently leave Scotland, sounds good.

BUT they also have to get the skilled jobs to come hear which is going to be difficult because London and southren parts of England have a tendency to hog the highly skilled jobs.

I don't as yet have a job in my degree disapline. BUT I'm working on it. Hopefuly I'll find something in Scotland soon before my temp contract ends hopefully.

Ironcaly if I had moved to places like Bradford or London I would already have a job in my industry. But I'd rather take the harder and be empoyed in Scotland.
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Eve,

Scotland 19/07/2008 20:42:16
#40 Scottish 'N British: Think about it!

Minorty goverment, they can't do everything they promise because the uninist wont let them.

And hey as the guid man says it's only been a year.

Get a grip!
42

Iainbroch,

Moray 19/07/2008 21:06:01
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The actor and mad scientist and well known SNP member Sir Shan Dastardly has been recorded on video and DVD using a weather tampering machine in attempt to blackmail World Governments.

Dastardly a well known Golf fanatic has made a farce of Brit Open Golf at Royal Birkdale. It is thought that he is acting at behest of a shadowy gambling syndicate run by SNP leadership not to manipulate result of championship but it was meant to affect underfoot conditions at several Race courses to manipulate the results of several horse races! But weather machine ran out of control resulting in hurricane at Birkdale!

It is also thought that Dastardly will use his weather machine to affect weather patterns on 24th July to keep Labour vote at home.

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43

Iainbroch,

Moray 19/07/2008 21:07:54
It is thought that the favoured expression of Dastardly “shaken but not stirred” is a subtle subliminal message and code for SS. Suggested strong Nazi connections!

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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 19/07/2008 21:56:19
No, Eve, they are not going to give people proper support in order to gain employment as that would involve the use of functioning braincells which no member of this wretched 'government' has got and it would involve MORE money being spent ie in giving people proper quality and work-related training etc.


ZanuNuLabour has wasted billions of people's private pension savings on the 'New Deal' and has got very, very little to show for it so what does Labour do? It doesn't design a programme that works and one that targets those who really do need help and support but goes goes onto to attack the unemployed as 'feckless scroungers'. Make no mistake that is the cheap and nasty political ploy in which this disgusting government is engaged upon.


Many of the longterm unemployed have got serious barriers infront of them to gain employment and here I am not even talking about the ones with drug and/or drink issues so instead of dealing with these issues this mob start spouting prejudice (after all it is so much cheaper!) and thereby increasing the likelihood of employers not employing these people. New Labour really are the lowest of the low.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 23:59:21
Re 43 & 44 - Fantastic. It was in the style of Hamish.
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timatcrosby,

liverpool 20/07/2008 00:47:07
I would just like to say that such a program if suitibaly setup and run could help people find employment.

Speaking for myself I am one of the unemployed, however I have a degree in eletronics and I am by training a technition.

I am the wrong side of forty and had to leave my previus job on helth grounds, I do not accept that I am a scrounger and would welcome an oppertunity to put my qualifications to use, but it is a case of finding an employer who would be willing to take me on in this crazed world that is ridald with litigation in the work place at the drop of a hat.

What we need is something sencicle, there are many jobs that need to be done to turn the economy round, we have to develop better ways of reccycling, find and develop alternative energy sources, and under take a whole range of things that need to be done because it is a national and imperative requirment that we do so.

Broadly I welcome the idea of the government, but I fear it will be badly executed and I have reservations about people being used in the work place as a practicaly unpaid work force, will they have the same rights to holidays and to health and safety in the work place?, will they be able to claim out of pocket exspenses such as travel to and from work?, will they be aloted work that is compatble with there qualifications and experiance?,

Properly run, this could be a very good thing, and is much better then looking at four walls in a bedsit, but I fear it will be misused and become just another politicle football and will proberbly endup costing more in administration then it will produce in substance, if the government is serius about this program then it shouold see that proper work experiance placements and apprentiships are setup and run and that the claiments are suitable for the placements and apprentiships, and that they should be geared to a qualification together with a prospect of a real job at the end of it,they say we have a skills shortage, I say lets use
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timatcrosby,

liverpool 20/07/2008 00:53:51
Further to what I have said (I appear to have run out of space) I would like to add that I would like to see a knew law that would force employers to give preferenshal consideration to unemployed applicants with suitable qualifications, in return the clamanets should keep there allowances for the first three months meaning that the employer does not have to pay them for that period, I would be more then happy to discuss this idea publicly with the Prim Minister on national television,

Tim Shannon
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Eve,

Scotland 20/07/2008 14:56:12
#45 Barry Donald Scarfe: Aye they seem to like ignoring barrers. Looks like they think if they ignore them they'll go away. The problem with barreirs they don't you have to work hard at them. This also goes for the person who has the barriers in their way.

I'd be totaly exeselent at working with these people, I'm someone who can see there way around barriers and would be pure braw at incurraging the people to fight them. It totaly anoys me that there are so many people who don't appear to care that are in the job postions that are set up to help these people.

Have met a few people who have had health problems such as stress (i.e. unhealthy stress). Ironcaly the Job centre subjues them to even more stress by sending them to checkups that ask loads of questions.

I must admit I was shock when I saw we bit of the AM show the morning and one MP (cannae remeber his name) said something that was completely naive.

He said if druggies don't expet and go on the threpys programmes then they would stop there benfits. What a daft thing to do. People who have additions don't nessary want to stop because they are in denail or useing the drugs for exscapsim form other problems. The most worring things that if you take away these peoples benfits they are going to start robbing people and bussienes to fule their habbit.

Additions are funny things, it's hard to know how to crack them as what works one person doesn't work for everyone and thats where the goverments plans are flawed.

They might have well said that they would section them for a period and forse them to go cold turkey. BUT that would only work if the person was willing stay away from the drugs after the gunck was out of there system.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 20/07/2008 19:14:05
I wonder about the timing of this initiative.

Is it because Labour just realized that many people have taken what was designed as a social safety net and turned it into a way of life?

Or is it because they made no provision for the coming recession, spending money in the good economic times like a drunken sailor, and now realize that since the public wont stand for any tax increases that they will have to balance the budget on the backs of the poor.

I like the part about using private companies to manage it all. I can just see the temp agencies wringing their hands in glee. Not only can they make massive sums when these people are in mind numbing temporary work, but they will also get paid while they are out of work.

The gang masters will stop recruiting eastern europeans to harvest since the locals wont be as stringently regulated. You can also work them like slaves since if they complain or quit you can see that their benefit is stopped.

I guess if this policy fails maybe Brown will have to look about bringing back the workhouses.
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Barry Donald Scarfe,

Brentwood 20/07/2008 23:01:59
I think you are probably right there, Kampung Highlander. This Labour government is so incompetant in that they have overspent when the economy was doing quite well and now they find they have no money left in the kitty! They would have a bit if that cretin Gordon Brown didn't spend all our money abroad.


If Labour were serious about helping people they would reform their 'New Deal' which has been a massive failure and that is mainly because despite the hype at its launch it DOESN'T offer sufficiently individualised help to the unemployed. Now , we are going into yet another recession, this very poorly-designed programme is going to perform even worse than it has been doing.


Most of the private companies that run the 'New Deal' should be banned from competing for contracts as many of them just take the money and don't perform well with it. It is just a nice little earner for a lot of them and there needs to be a lot higher 'quality control' with these disgraceful companies.
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MARTIN TURNER,

LINCOLN 21/07/2008 10:25:25
Im terminally ill with cancer and fearful of these changes.I get weaker every week at the moment and am struggling to keep my head together.I can do without being dragged before a kangeroo court to assess me at the moment., and I hope it is left to the people caring for me to sort it out.Otherwise, im just going going to drop out of the system and try and look after and support myself. Result? I think not.
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Cal_,

New Zealand 21/07/2008 10:29:38
I think this says it all ... " For those who are capable of working, there will be no right to a life on benefits " .. Clients assessed by department GP's, determining those who qualify. The same department GP's who are likley to have their performance appraisals based on rejecting eligibility thus reducing claimant numbers. This may be perceived as a conflict of interest somewhat, surely?? ... I find the last part of the quote to be most fitting ' there will be no right to a life ', that's about the nuts and bolts of it .. If you are on a state benefit, you have no right to life !! ... This is too ' right wing ' even for Mrs Thatcher ...
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322,

edinburgh 21/07/2008 13:55:00
"Arbeit macht frei"

Be a man, comrade,
stay a human being, comrade,
do a good job, get to it, comrade,
for work, work makes you free!
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322,

edinburgh 21/07/2008 15:00:52
JAMES Purnell has defended his role after figures revealed he claimed the most expenses of all the politicians in Greater Manchester.

The Stalybridge and Hyde MP scooped £139,195 on top of his £57,000 salary - but says he is more than happy for anyone to scrutinise his affairs.

 

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