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Teenage gang plague 'six times worse in Glasgow than London'



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Published Date: 05 February 2008
GLASGOW has six times as many teenage gangs as London per capita, according to a report by an influential think tank led by former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith.
The Centre for Social Justice says in its report on deprived cities that Scotland's biggest city is "notorious for its levels of youth and violent crime".

It has 170 teenage gangs – the same as London, despite the UK capital having six times
the population.

Glasgow is a "tale of two cities" in which the eye-catching regeneration of the commercial centre masks social decay elsewhere. The economic renaissance is being blighted by appalling levels of deprivation, which the former Tory leader says is worse than some third-world cities.

Ahead of his meeting at Celtic FC with community groups today, Mr Duncan Smith said there was too much emphasis on regeneration of "buildings and not enough on human capital".

The government had focused its regeneration efforts on "buildings and panes of glass and smarter roads. But we think there needs to be a re-jigging of emphasis, that it is people who are critical. People make cities, cities don't make people."

Glasgow City Council has an annual budget of £2 billion. Of this about £30 million is spent directly on development and regeneration.

The city attracts £4.7 billion in inward investment a year, but Mr Duncan Smith said there were still massive inequalities, including a 25-year discrepancy between areas in life expectancy.

Mr Duncan Smith has studied other cities such as Manchester and Birmingham, but said he was "horrified" by some of the statistics on Glasgow.

The report, to be published today, paints a violent picture of the city.

It says: "There are estimated to be more than 170 gangs in the Glasgow city region – this compares to 169 identified by the Metropolitan Police Service in London, a city over six times the size. By Glasgow's ratio of gangs to population, there would be over 1,000 gangs in London."

At over 34 serious assaults per 10,000 people, this crime in Glasgow is more than two and a half times the national rate.

Stabbings account for half of all murders in Scotland, and more than 50 per cent of knives found in Scotland are seized in Glasgow.

Mr Duncan Smith also said the city's drug and alcohol strategy was not working and was critical of the practice of dishing out methadone.

He said there are fewer than 117 beds in drug rehabilitation centres in Glasgow, despite the city having up to 40,000 addicts. It was easier for local authorities to prescribe methadone rather than get someone into rehab.

He credits a visit to the notorious Easterhouse estate in 2002 as being the moment he changed his political priorities.

Among his proposals are: revising the benefits system to incentivise work, rewarding marriage with a transferable tax allowance for married couples, and expanding abstinence-based treatment for drug addicts and alcoholics.




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  • Last Updated: 04 February 2008 11:33 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

An Beal Bacht,

05/02/2008 00:24:09
Aye - the fair green place! Ah belang tae Gleska - Guid auld Gleska toon.

When ye live in a slum and thur's nae wey ae gettin oot ae it whit dae ye dae? Ulrich and Azrin 1962 ( tinyurl.com/38gyfx ) study may be worth perusing in this regard.
2

Clan-destine,

kyoto Japan 05/02/2008 00:37:58
ANYONE who has lived in Glasgow could tell you this especially if they've worked as a social worker for example.NOTHING NEW AT ALL. When it comes to negatives Glasgow {and Scotland unfortunately} leads the nation often Europe and sometimes the world.Glasgow is the PITS and if the people want out of the PIT then they must seriously consider Independence.If things are left as they are, and always have been, Westminster will continue turning its traditional blind eye{except when it needs gun fodder} to everything North of the border.Unfortunaely Apapthy rules in Scotland and nobody's doing anything to reverse this national malaise.Let's Vote Scotland and ourselves free and well rid of all this deprevation povery and violence.INDEPENDENCE NOW.
3

The Answer,

Glasgow 05/02/2008 00:42:04
#2

Will independence solve the youtube problem of London getting 280,000 hits for new year , whilst downtrodden scotland managed only 4,000 hits?
4

TommyKaye,

UK 05/02/2008 00:48:50
What do you expect after being run by Labour for themselves for so many years - personally although I from Edinburgh Glaswegians have been nothing but kind and geneorous to me and I salute them. They have been betrayed however by snout in the trough Labour MPs for decades they built the best ships made the best engineering products and inventions home to great artists sportsmen and entertainers however Labour sold them down the river.

In interviews yesterday Wendy Alexander claimed "at the conclusion of my leadership campaign" she made inquiries to the Clerks to the Standards and Public Appointments Committee of the Scottish Parliament, as to if she was required to be registered under either gifts or election expenses.

In the press release she put out last Friday she said she received that advice on November 8. She became leader of the Scottish Labour MSPs on September 14, 2007. So the advice she got was sought nearly 2 months after the close of her leadership campaign. Not much use when you are permitted only 30 days to declare it. She was well out of time before she even sought advice.

More damagingly the Code of Conduct for MSPs, says under Section 1: Registration of Interests:
"A Member must register an acquired interest by lodging a further written statement within 30 days after the date of acquisition (section 5 of the Act)."
So saying "conclusion" of campaign is also outwith the date of acquisition.
Yet these inquiries to the Clerk were made around the same time a document on Wendy Alexander's husband's computer was checking the admissibility of donations:

Crucially the list also drew attention to the awareness of the donation's illegality by stating at the end: "Permissible?" According to the Microsoft Word document file on which it was saved, the document's creation date is November 5.

Although Wendy's illegal and unreported donation is relatively small, her behaviour afterwards is going to prove difficult to explain. She denied all knowl
5

Conan the Librarian™,

05/02/2008 00:51:16
To a certain extent.If the county that you are part of ignores you...how many hits did Newcastle Get?
6

Senga Jean,

05/02/2008 01:19:44
Which polititical party has been in power in Glasgow for the last 50 years? Whoever they are they should be downright ashamed of themselves. Its not rocket science; the answer could be written on the back of a brown envelope.
7

An Beal Bacht,

05/02/2008 01:40:05
7 - Dragonhead, Dalian,China 05/02/2008 01:32:10

A wee bit severe that analysis - don't you think? Aye - it's easy and popular tae blame the poor for their plight The truth is most of them don't vote because they don't believe they can effect change. Hopefully this government can change their perceptions.
8

Alan Reid,

NZ 05/02/2008 03:28:41
3 The Answer, "Will independence solve the youtube problem of London getting 280,000 hits for new year , whilst downtrodden scotland managed only 4,000 hits?"
What are you taliking about you plug? So what that a city with the population of 10 million plus, get more "hits" than a city of 1 million? Whats that got to do with. What has this got to do with scumbags roaming the streets of Glasgow making peoples lives hell? Please shut the f@ck up.
9

Richardinho,

05/02/2008 04:33:23
Glasgow is the best example you can give to show that socialism has failed. Yet still politicians talk in coded terms about 'social justice', even though despite having held the levers of power for decades (thinking about the Labour party here) they have failed to deliver it.

There's no point in spending more money on deprived areas. How much do we spend at the moment in benefits?

The answer is to ween these people off the dependency culture and force them to make an honest living.
10

williamx,

canada 05/02/2008 04:55:01
Bill Clinton did it. You have 5 years max on welfare in your working life. US welfare rolls vanished over night. Try it, you will like it.
11

Jim Baxter RIP,

Sai Kung, Hong Kong 05/02/2008 05:30:21
I left Govan, Glasgow thirty five years ago. It was a dump then and was plagued by gansterism and sectarianism. In those thirty something years Glasgow has been led by myriad labour politcians and nothing appears to have changed except that they have tarted up the city center. The Scottish Labour party should be heartily ashamed of themselves. However, I am also concerned that the masses still vote for this incompetant lot simply because they have always done so.This report makes woeful reading and it really is about time that the Scots people took their future in their own hands, dump the labour party and give the SNP a realistic chance to make a difference.
12

eric,

Lothian 05/02/2008 07:56:26
I know lots of folk who moved there and have never seen any problems,Its a very large city with large problems This isnt news,he forgot to mention Edinburgh has more Drug dealers than any other city in Scotland,And Edinburgh could fit into South side of Glasgow.
13

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 05/02/2008 08:06:07
Send in the Norwegian UN peacekeepers. Hmmm?

On second thought, Scandinavians tend to get themselves blootered whenever there is cheap booze about. Send in the US/UK invasion force - the country has oil and Glasgow council could probably benefit from a regime change.
14

donald,

glasgow 05/02/2008 08:06:40
So what did the Parkhied Gangsters do: blame their fellow Ibrox gangsters?

Some of my best friends are Emburgers by ra way.
15

Chris, Edinburgh,

05/02/2008 08:41:17
Presumably the Daily Record will publish a special supplement to celebrate this news?
16

Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 05/02/2008 10:10:19
Sooner labour is removed from the city chambers, the better...
17

zorba,

airdrie 05/02/2008 10:31:27
weegies rool ya bass
18

frank mcbride,

lusitania 05/02/2008 10:34:48
All the political correctness of "social justice", "social inclusion", in which I firmly believe, is only cant if we are not to produce work for our people.
Let's ack the SNP Government in its policy of making Scotland a more prosperous country because, only by doing this can we, even, begin to make our society more fair and just.

The people of Glasgow, like others the world over, just want a better life for themselves and their children; no more, no less. Unfortunately, 5 decades of steady decline in decent work opportunities, led by Thatcher's "money laundering society", have taken their toll, especially in the loss of manufacturing.

Sadly, the above is also true of parts of England & Wales too, but we, in Scotland, have, in our own hands, the power to change our lot.
19

Grant,

Scotland 05/02/2008 10:47:28
This is socialism and Unionism at its utter best. And this is what socialism and Unionism cause.

Socialism is a failed ideology

Unionism is a failed ideology.

How can we expect people to take reponsibility for themselves, their health, their job prospects and their lives, if most Scots are to "feart" to take responsibility for their own country. It seems they are wedded to the idea of subsidies and clingy dependency to a much larger country (England) without taking responsibility for the whole gamut of affairs that affect us.

It is a sad and pathetic spectacle. In our current moribund state, the question should be asked.

Why would any country want to be in Union with Scotland?

Don't get me wrong, I think we have the abilities to bes successful. But it is a pathetic state we now occupy, where we won't take responsibility for ourselves as a nation - or as a people, so it would seem.

20

Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 05/02/2008 11:01:29
#21 Socialism is a failed ideology

Agree with you here, certainly seems to have failed miserably in Glasgow, as some parts of the city seem to be very well to do, whilst other parts look like the fell of the radar entirely...
21

Spicey,

Glasgow 05/02/2008 12:36:00
#2 how exactly would independence help? Same people, same problems. I support SNP but still fail to see exactly how paying professional liars in Edin instead of London is somehow a magical cure for all our ills.

I think #14 has the right idea - charge in wi the tanks and ban all labour party members from holding jobs in government. Reconstruct Glasgow the easy way - demolish everything first and start again¬
22

Declan,

Glasgow 05/02/2008 13:27:55
The report doesn't make for pleasant reading and it is nothing that we don't already know. Glasgow is definitely a tale of two cities and the gap appears to be getting wider. What also happens in Glasgow is that those of us who live in the City Centre, Merchant City, West End and South Side don't associate with those living in the East End and North Glasgow and therefore choose to 'let them get on with it'. I know I'm guilty of doing just that. I heard details of this report on Clyde 1 this morning and chose to ignore it as it doesn't affect me - perhaps it's people like me who should be getting involved and try making a difference?!

Yes Glasgow has improved greatly in the last 10 - 15 years and things are much much better in many respects. However, given that we have the same problems as other big cities such as Manchester, Birmingham and London and that Glasgow has had these problems for longer - why are we STILL having the same issues over and over again? Labour don't appear to have the answers!
23

Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 05/02/2008 14:01:07
#25 Agree with you totally Declan, For me Glasgow pretty much stops at the merchant city and covers the areas you mentioned in your post. The labour council in Glasgow doesnt seem to be capable of changing anything...
24

AJ Fife,

05/02/2008 14:17:44
Glasgow - the finest example of the effects a Labour administration in Scotland!

Why do any Weegies vote Labour?
25

Declan,

Glasgow 05/02/2008 14:21:47
#26 - Yes. I think there are inroads being made in the East End, albeit painfully slowly but there are some superb working groups there now - working with people on the same wavelength and REALLY understanding the problems facing the communities. One thing is for sure, report after report from 'think tank's' do nothing - we know all this stuff already! We need some action and results!
26

Declan,

Glasgow 05/02/2008 14:27:32
#27 - Believe me, we do not all vote Labour!

One of the issues in the past was that people were worried about voting SNP, I myself had my concerns and there is no way on earth that Glasgow will vote Conservative!

Personally, I've been pleasantly surprised by what the SNP have done since coming to power. There is also a wind of change in Glasgow towards Labour. Many feel they have had their time and I think the mood is finally shifting.
27

AJ Fife,

05/02/2008 14:33:45
Declan,

I hope you're right. For Scotland to flourish, Glasgow has to become the linchpin of Scottish industry and commerce, as it once was. That won't happen until Glaswegians kick out the Labour mindset that has long stifled a large number of the city's population.


28

Declan,

Glasgow 05/02/2008 14:55:14
#30 - I agree with you entirely!

I believe Glasgow will listen to the SNP. I also think that Nicola Sturgeon should be the major driving force behind winning Glasgow over. If the SNP get Glasgow, Scotland is independant.
29

Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 05/02/2008 15:40:34
It would be great if the SNP could take control of Glasgow council, after all these years of labour control which has achieved nothing. Come to think of it, any party offering a change from the stagnant council that has existed in Glasgow for what seems like forever...
30

Truescotsman,

New York, USA 05/02/2008 16:10:36
C'mon guy's, ye all ken the real reason for our gang violence in Glasgow (grew up there till I moved to the USA at age of 21) - recreational and territorial. It hasn't changed much since I ran the streets - ye fight for the pure "buzz" of it, because it gives you social acceptance amongst yer peers, because of the group "mob mentality", because of sectarian values i.e. cathlic vs. protestant, because of fitba allegiances i.e. rangers vs. celtic, because of "your'e no frae arroond here", because every gang wants to be the best. i.e. status symbol of being most notorious. and so on the list goes. It's no about lack of jobs at all. These kids dinnae want to work for the most part - they'd rather choose bottles and blades. Currently I live in the 4th poorest county in all of New York State in the USA - and there isn't one single gang in this county. There's no jobs but still no gangs. Now, if you travel to the big cities like Buffalo or Brooklyn it's a different story all togther. And yet, where are the jobs? mainly in the cities. I think all of it has to do with the cultural mindset. It is also generational for many in Glasgow - we raise our kids to fight, either through our older peers or through our families. So, let's call it as it is and get to the root of the problem. It is time to make a difference and it starts with each of us. We need to show these young yins there's better alternatives to fighting. Thanks, sincerely yours, former gang member turned youth worker and Youth Pastor.
31

Hugo of Garven,

05/02/2008 18:38:05
Is the article talking about the City of London?
"The City of London is a geographically small city within Greater London, England. It is the historic core of London around which, along with Westminster, the modern conurbation grew. The City's boundaries have remained almost constant since the Middle Ages, and hence it is now only a tiny part of the much larger London metropolis. It is often referred to as just the City or as the Square Mile" Wikopedia

Sorry for the extensive cut and paste, but it might be relevant. Ialways thought 'London' was more than 6 times the population og Glasgow.
32

scotinbc,

interior bc canada 05/02/2008 20:58:36
#33 is right on the money. We need harsher disipline. Good police unafraid of getting in trouble for quelling violence with greater violence. And, as I have said before. More isolated types of prisons. Where the nutters are afraid to have to go to. I have never voted Labour or SNP but it's not their fault. It is the stupid "Scottish Pride" thing.
33

danielrober,

05/02/2008 20:58:44
I like London and I like Glasgow. I have every intention of conducting business in both communities.

If others wish not too, then that just means less competition for those of us who see these two cities potential gold mines. Neither of these cities streets are paved 'with' gold, but they are walked on by a lot of hard woking people.

Thats a real strength, thats real gold.
34

danielrober,

05/02/2008 21:01:15
Oh by the way, the highest rates of murder's and 'lets say death by missadventure' are to found in Manchester and Sheffield. Not London and Glasgow.
35

HEN BROON 5,

05/02/2008 22:06:16
(27 AJ Fife,05/02/2008 14:17:44
Glasgow - the finest example of the effects a Labour administration in Scotland!

Why do any Weegies vote Labour?)

Cos they need the man fae Cairo ;o)
36

danielrober,

05/02/2008 22:54:54
HEN BROON 5

I'd cut off the gravy train. That should cause a small exodus of 'social experts'. These guys business is povety. The last thing some of these guys want is an end to the problems. Sure they don't start out that way, but depression and lack of action just pulls them down.

Transfer some of these guys out, it would be good for Glasgow and themselves.
37

maureeny21,

GLASGOW 10/02/2008 14:14:42
Sender's Name: maureen mcgonigle Glasgow

I write this while grieving for my son who was brutally
murdered on the 29Th of December hours after leaving my home to
visit my younger son, unfortunately he never made it home that
night while waiting at the bus stop he was stabbed to death,
he was dead by the time the paramedics got to him, my son was a
gentle soul, never hurt a fly and has a 4 year old son (he was
only 28) Brian McWilliams, i guess you saw this on the news,
the animal that did this is only 20 he has just served 5 years
for beating up a 70 year old man with a golf club,he got his
sentence halved by 5 years, so he is out on licence, two weeks
after being released he bottled a 14 year lad, why? the young
lad would not give him his mobile phone,i am broken hearted
as i write this he was my baby boy,now i am to bury him in the
New year, please help me! please put an end to this knife
culture,have a look at the daily papers to see how bad it i,
last Tuesdays Evening times a gang of thugs that actually
laughed at the judge when he passed down sentence, the words to
the judge while laughing'' IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL A SENTENCE!!
I'M sick to death of the violence in this country and until it
happens to your own son you wont ever give a damn!! this
government and all who want to be in it disgust me to my very
soul.The Government say there are no quick fixes...i say they
are wrong so very wrong... lets look at this practical, 1st get
the prisons to act as a deterrent not as a bloody holiday
camp,lets have U.S. style prisons with sentences of life
MEANING exactly that life in prison until they die!! take away
the Snooker tables, PS2' CD players SKY TV the kettles for the
'pot noodle' (come on they have it better inside than the
homeless people that live on the streets....) and all they re
home comforts bang them up 4 to a cell exercise them for an
hour a day.... get them building more prisons instea
38

celticsnowdrop,

10/02/2008 21:52:30
20.....maggie did say she would bring Scotland to its knees and she did, however all we scots have to do is get off our butts and vote. The people of Scotland are the so lathalgic the need the kiss of life every day.
39

celticsnowdrop,

10/02/2008 22:09:38
maureeny21, its against their human rights and we all know that joe public has no rights. I agree with everything you say but would like to see NATIONAL SERVICE BROUGHT BACK, most young people today have neither a great future or pride in themselves and it does not help that most young people in prisons have behavior problems and have great teachers in abuse,theft, etc and to survive prison they must be in a gang and so the culture continue,s. It must also be added that more than one family is affected by any brutal crime. I remember a women who,s grandaughter was murdered and she said I HOPE THEY NEVER FIND HIM SO THAT ANOTHER FAMILY CAN SUFFER AS WE HAVE..... that said, we know that most who kill once will do it again and besides most times the prisoner goes back into jail because the are so institutionalised they cannot survive outside so maybe we need to start at the beginning.....parents, housing, employment, education and a good old fashioned clip round the ear with the belt brought back into schools. I feel your pain.
40

KatherineD,

USA 11/02/2008 01:05:04
I grew up in Clydebank and now live in the US. A few years ago when my husband and I were visiting Glasgow I was really surprised. While walking in the Centre down by the waterfront 4 young men came up really close to me and said,"Gi' us some money". My husband walking in front of me did not even see the incident. I just said "get lost" and they looked menacing but disappeared into the crowd.
When I lived there Glasgow was a tough city but I never remember being approached as in the above situation.
Yes, Los Angeles has gangs too and scary ones. But you can avoid them because its a big city. The welfare system in both countries encourages these young men and women. KateD

 

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