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Published Date: 22 November 2008
GORDON Brown yesterday played down talk of an early general election amid suspicions the Pre-Budget Report would amount to a pre-poll bribe for voters.
The Prime Minister insisted his attention was "100 per cent" focused on trying to revive the beleaguered economy, ahead of Monday's report, in which Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, is expected to unveil tax cuts that the government hopes will fuel spending.

"My undivided attention is on the economy. I am not thinking about anything else," Mr Brown said. "It is 100 per cent of my attention, and you can just discount all of these stories."

Mr Brown did not go as far as to rule out any particular date, but sources close to the Prime Minister insist that it is not on their minds.

Allies of Mr Brown are reported to have urged him to go for a June poll. Last year the Prime Minister failed to dispel rumours that he was planning an election shortly after taking over from Tony Blair. The frenzied speculation ultimately backfired.

After months of languishing behind David Cameron, the Conservative leader, in the polls, Mr Brown has repositioned himself with his handling of the economic crisis. The Tory lead over Labour was this week slashed and bookmakers cut the odds for an election in the first six months of next year from 11/4 to 2/1.

Next week's Pre-Budget Report will also contain measures to make banks lend more readily to small businesses. Mr Brown's spokesman said that "all options" were being considered to encourage greater lending, fuelling speculation the government could threaten banks with nationalisation unless they free up credit. Asked about legal action, he said: "Obviously we need to continue to look at all options."

Public borrowing is expected to soar as a result of the planned tax cuts. After a short-term fiscal stimulus package, ministers may be forced to raise taxes to pay off spiralling public debts. Stamp duty could be changed to revive the housing market, while reducing VAT on goods could kick-start spending.

Mr Brown yesterday admitted he was wrong to boast that as Chancellor, he could end "boom and bust". Asked if his pledge was among the things he thought he had got wrong, he said: "Yes. Of course."

Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said: "Gordon Brown certainly owes the British public an apology for racking up the highest borrowing this year for any major nation.""

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  • Last Updated: 21 November 2008 11:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Labour Party , Credit Crunch
 
1

Castaway™ ,

22/11/2008 00:10:05
Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been given an unusual accolade. This year his face will be one of those used on the Caganers, figures that are an essential part of Christmas Nativity tableaux in the Catalan region of Spain.
The Caganer is a highly respected figure intimate and estimated the typical catalan crib.It is not a mockery, but on the contrary, is a tribute to the character, occupation or activity it represents.
There is a good reason for his obscure position in the display, for "caganer" translates from Catalan to English as "pooper". 28. Caganer Gordon Brown - 14.00EUR
http://tinyurl.com/582h6l
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Scunnert,

22/11/2008 00:11:22
M"r Brown yesterday admitted he was wrong to boast that as Chancellor, he could end "boom and bust". Asked if his pledge was among the things he thought he had got wrong, he said: "Yes. Of course.""

Is that humility showing? Nah - just following instructions from his spin doctor on how to face down his past incompetence.
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22/11/2008 00:19:20
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Rasco,

22/11/2008 00:20:52
Boom and bust was wrong 10p cut in income tax was wrong has the son of the manse been getting messages from above or is Mandy now pulling all the strings Broon will now be telling us he was always against the Iraq war.
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subrosa,

22/11/2008 00:21:37
The BBC are reporting (also Peston's blog) that after the mini-budget on Monday taxes will eventually have to rise. It could be that VAT goes from 17.5% to 22.5%.

That's about as near as anyone will get to a suggestion of just how badly Brown has handled the economy for the past 11 years.
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Castaway™ ,

22/11/2008 00:21:59
#2 Scunnert:"Boom and bust" featured 18 times in many of Gordon Brown's autumn conference and budget speeches over the last decade.The notorious two B's, along with "prudence" became his mantra for Labour's record on economic stability.
22 Sep 2008:Channel 4 News
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22/11/2008 00:27:06
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Scunnert,

22/11/2008 00:47:23
6 Castaway™, 22/11/2008 00:21:59

Aye - and how many times has he used the phrase "new world order"? Having preached the gospel according to the neo-con free market spivs that wrecked the economy he continues to sing from the same hymnal.

Today from Number 10:

global problems require global solutions

PM urges entrepreneurs to embrace globalisation

Nations must show they can work together

"Gordon Brown has said that the nations of the world must show they can work together by coming up with a joint solution to the economic crisis and successfully concluding a new world trade deal."

“Instead of just muddling through dealing with this crisis as people think we are doing at the moment, we have to show people that we are actually making adjustments in the proper way to this global age.”

"The PM said that four key steps had been laid out at the summit: the reform of financial supervision in line with ... globally coordinated action on economic stimulation through fiscal and monetary measures; a 12-month moratorium on protectionist trade measures ..."

"Gordon Brown has outlined his views on how best to tackle the world economic downturn ... this included a timetable for the renewal of the international financial architecture, the urgent need to reach a conclusion on the world trade talks and a co-ordinated response to economic policy, in particular the need for global fiscal stimulus."

I have no doubt that Broon will use this "crisis" to push for less public control over the economy, an opening up of more/all public services to multi-national corporate profiteering, forcing through the Lisbon treaty, and adopting GATT and GATS.

The peoples of the UK should bend over and grab their knees 'cause they're about to get shafted.
9

walter,

22/11/2008 00:57:38
Gordon Brown will not be calling an election this year or next he has no chance of winning.
He will be going for the full term that Labour were elected for.
By 2010 the economy in the UK and around the world
may have begun to improve.
Since the world economies are taken on his policies to combat this recession then he may have a chance of winning an election then.
10

Another Saturday Night,

22/11/2008 01:53:58
Good work Gordon.

His actions have ensured that the UK is better placed than most to ride-out the global recession.

11

BIG EYE,

Paisley 22/11/2008 01:59:34
Advice to the SNP....Urgent

Prepare for a May/June Election

Even with the might of virtually the entire British media there is no way this massive con can last longer!

This country...UK or Scotland is facing unmititaged disaster...and I am including the 30's under what this idiot has been responsible for!

The amazing thing and the most depressing thing is that a single person is still voting Labour!
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22/11/2008 02:03:52
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Another Saturday Night,

22/11/2008 02:23:46
United we stand.

The Union will always stand.

The "holes in the soles of their shoes" SNP will just whinge.

A minor annoyance.
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Castaway™ ,

22/11/2008 03:11:52
Tick Tock ! Tick Tock ! Tick Tock !
4 June 2009 England local council elections and EU elections.
12 Oct 2009 Parliament returns from summer recess.
6 May 2010 Local elections in all 32 London Boroughs and 134 in other English Local Authorities.
3 June 2010 Last possible UK general election date.
15

steve 1511,

aberdeen 22/11/2008 07:22:58
as comrade broons crusade to turn britian into an economy based on the soviet eastern block model gathers pace,
bankrupt the country
get millions dependant on the state
get millions unemployed
he now turns a ploy used by robert mcgabe ,and many other rulers of banana republics,bribery to get them to vote for him
with our every move covered by cctv,and I D cards what next,will he use controls over food suplies to control the voters

WE ARE DOOMED WITH BROON,DOOMED
16

tooch,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 07:23:59
It wont matter who gets in its always the ones at the bottom that are hardest hit
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 22/11/2008 07:24:09
I believe you. Also the wee guy on the street with a Stanley knife in his pocket is going to lay his granny's linoleum.
18

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 22/11/2008 07:34:01
#9 Wally

"By 2010 the economy in the UK and around the world may have begun to improve. Since the world economies are taken on his policies to combat this recession then he may have a chance of winning an election then."

What colour is the Sky in the Imaginary World you seem to inhabit?

Brown is one of the Primary Architect's of this crisis.

The only person on the planet more culpable than Prudence is Greenspan.

Greenspan has at least the good sense to admit he got it wrong.

When is Brown going to accept his share of the blame?

Never, like all labour numpties he will blame it on somebody else.
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 07:58:32
The Labour propaganda machine can fool most of the people all of the time. But do anything with this bribe other than put it in the bank and you're a mug. It's a helpful advance from your friendly loan shark and the tap on the shoulder is just around the corner.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 08:16:14
#22 Ubi

I'm afraid there's an awful lot of stupid people out there. Plus, all Broon's clients on benefits and in sinecures in the public sector are turkies that sure ain't going to vote for an early Christmas. Prepare for another 5 years of Labour misrule. Deep joy.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 08:17:29
#21 Ubi

Says me who can't even work out the numbering system!!!
22

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/11/2008 08:21:14
So the plan is to borrow billions to pay for tax cuts for the lowest income families, because they'll spend it quickly??
So will it be spent on cheap imports from China or cheap imports from India??
Then to pay for the debt, taxes will go up after the next election hitting everyone.

And Comrade Broon says he's prudent???

That should push the pound even lower and before we know it £=€ and we're joining the Eurozone.

Looks like we're doomed!
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Phil C,

22/11/2008 08:27:42
I can't believe there are still people out there who would consider voting Labour. I know there are many of them, but I just can't believe so many can be so stupid. Once again they have wrecked the UK economy, albeit with help from our American cousins. All the other parties are more credible.

Prudence Broon got his reputation by continuing Tory policies in the 90's! He then opened the floodgates of borrow and spend, undoing all the good work. Blair was in a good position to stop a destabilising war- he went the wrong way. Vast £billions are spent on defence. We should be talking peace, not war. Nuclear power continues to be the chosen way forward, without finding a suitable method of waste disposal. Basic good eating and health are not given the priority they need. The evils of alcohol, drugs and smoking are brushed under the carpet. Labour talk new houses, letting families and society continue to fragment and fester. Labour's constant cheating, lying and financial ducking & diving set a terrible example.

Labour are the John Sergeant, the Daniel Evans, the Timmy Mallett of unreality tv. A hopeless bunch kept in by a much bigger bunch of eejits, presumably for a joke!
24

Phil C,

22/11/2008 08:36:40
#26 pl

OK, that's not top of the list!
25

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 22/11/2008 08:39:30
#24 Jimmy

I think you are underestimating Gordon Brown's shrewdness.

Brown and Mandelson have realized that the only thing that will arrest the collapse in house prices is to rapidly devalue the currency.

If they can get the Pound down to 50 Euro Cents it will attract hordes of Europeans looking for cheap holiday homes.

They are already planning on changing the name of Clyde coast to the Celtic Riviera and Blackpool to Costa Drizzle.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 22/11/2008 08:47:26
This apology for an apology sound a bit like the recent McKillop one only Broon having caused economic mayhem on a scale never seen in recent times cannot reach as far as the "profound" apology.

More along the lines of "OK, so the evidence is staring everyone in the face, I'm a bit sorry that I've been found out, but please eff off and let me get on with the very important global business of shafting everyone good and proper".
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 22/11/2008 08:52:03
And another thing - if he's "determined" to hand out borrowings to the chavocracy, guess whose taxes will be raised to pay for helping him to not win a general election. Right first time; it'll be the actual hard working tax paying families again. He probably thinks of himself as Robbin' Hood.
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Randomly Blocked Poster, ,

22/11/2008 09:04:29
Boom and Bust, I think not, more BROON & BUST!
29

gus1940,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 09:06:18
Do my eyes deceive me?

I have been unable to find a single item attacking the SNP in Today's Edition (at least the on-line one).

Either I am blind or it is the end of the world.

Get a grip Scotsman.
30

Phil C,

22/11/2008 09:06:53
What do you do if you have a trumpet for a PM?



...Root it 'oot!
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allan58,

edinburgh 22/11/2008 09:09:29
Well, I can't say I'm getting too excited about these "tax cuts". Largely because I won't get anything out of it. I have too many strikes against me. I'm single,childless,not a pensioner. Also, I'm not a workshy sponger who has 12 kids by 6 different mothers & hasn't worked in 5 years.My salary is too high to enable me to claim tax credits & benefits & yet is only 60% of the so called "national average". I have the same bills to pay as others but, my sole purpose in life sems to be as a cash cow to pay for "tax cuts" for other peoples families!

Have a nice christmas Gordon. May it be your last ever at No 10.
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allan58,

edinburgh 22/11/2008 09:11:05
P S - Forgot to add that the only people who will benefit will the chavs & shellsuit brigade. It'll pay for their booze & fags for christmas. The rest of US will end up paying for it!
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Ugly George,

22/11/2008 09:53:45
24 Jimmy the Pie
"That should push the pound even lower and before we know it £=€ and we're joining the Eurozone."

There is no chance of the UK joining the Eurozone in the foreseeable future. At the rate the govt is borrowing, the deficit is going to be well over the 3% of GDP required by the stability pact for the euro.
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tartan army 2222,

22/11/2008 10:09:08
My take:

Gordon is seriously thinking [sic.] about this because he doesn't want a repeat of last year when the press turned against him when he bottled out of an election he would definitely have won.

After his continual caution he's now travelled to the other end of the spectrum. He won't do it though. A wee voice in his head will start telling him that it's too much of a risk and to hold off until the economy gets better. Problem for Broon is that once it hits its nadir is that there's no coming back.

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22/11/2008 10:13:59
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 10:31:42
38 The mcKellarator
Limited, selective info I'm afraid. Look at this comment from that same body:

"New York, 9 September 2008 – The World Economic Forum today launched the world’s first Financial Development Index, a rigorous, comprehensive analysis of financial systems and capital markets in 52 countries that analyses key drivers of financial system development and economic growth in developing and developed countries.

The United States narrowly edged the United Kingdom to take the top position in the Financial Development Index. The US and the United Kingdom have close rankings, outstripping the remaining countries in the top 10 Germany, Japan, Canada, France, Switzerland, Hong Kong SAR, Netherlands and Singapore."

This analysis clearly gives a different picture from the one you sought to put across.

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22/11/2008 10:41:50
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Itchy,

22/11/2008 10:42:50
#8 "Aye - and how many times has he used the phrase "new world order"? Having preached the gospel according to the neo-con free market spivs that wrecked the economy he continues to sing from the same hymnal. "

Brown is not and never has been a free marketeer.

It is state interventionism that has wrecked the economy and Brown has done nothing but bleed the country dry with high taxes since he took office.

Kindly get your facts right.
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Guga II,

Rockall 22/11/2008 10:44:17
The Quisling Maggie Broon, the saviour of the world, may well announce some tax cuts in the hope of bribing the electorate but, hopefully, the electorate will realise that it is just a bribe, and that, in the longer term, there will be a massive increase in taxes; direct, indirect and stealth taxes.

The end result of Broon's incompetence is that the country will acquire massive debts; debts which will have to be paid for by the taxpayers. Moreover, the level of debt he is getting us into will take many years to pay. We will, as a result, stay in a recession for many years yet.


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Itchy,

22/11/2008 10:44:49
#10 Brown's actions in bleeding the country dry with taxation and strangling the economy with red tape together with his inflating of the currency have ensured that we are dreadfully placed to face the recession.
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The Strategist,

22/11/2008 10:53:14
#39 AM2

Self evidently given what has gone on in the last couple of months that WEF quote is complete and utter twaddle.
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22/11/2008 11:02:09
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 11:05:12
44 The strategist
Why did you refer to me as AM2?

As far as the reliability of WEF analysis is concerned, I don't knopw enough of the details of their procedures to comment on how reliable it is or is notIt should be noted though that the analysis was comparative and not judgemental.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 11:10:21
45 The McKellerator
I am not defending Gordon Brown and I have made many critical comments about him. My point was that you chose to use one piece of selective info to make a point about small countries. I was illustrating that it is just as easy to provide other info which paints a different picture.
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subrosa,

22/11/2008 11:11:35
# 34

You're lucky you're not a pensioner. It's not a good time to be one in this country with utility bills 50% more than they were and the cost of living so high. So many pensioners are just over the pension credit level because they have saved a bit during their working lives.

I can see thousands of pensioners claiming this pension credit in the next year or so because their savings are gone.

The problems with the economy are only starting.


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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 22/11/2008 11:15:15
More comment from publisher of WEF report.
The report ranks financial development on the basis of seven groups of variables: institutional environment; business environment; financial stability; banks; non-bank financial institutions; financial markets; size, depth and access to capital. The US and the UK rank very high for the development and sophistication of their bank and non-bank financial institutions, the development of their financial markets (stocks, bonds, forex and derivatives), and the size, depth and access to financial services. Interestingly their ranking in terms of financial stability (a measure of the risk of systemic banking crisis, currency crisis and sovereign debt crisis) is much lower; they also show some weakness in terms of the institutional environment (regulation/supervision and business perceptions of weak institutions) and business environment (especially the cost of doing business for the UK).

The issue of financial stability is of great importance as the US and the UK have recently shown significant vulnerabilities in this area. The report addresses this matter by considering separately a category for financial stability where the ranking of the US and the UK is weaker (respectively #10 and #23) and through a separate chapter – which I wrote – on financial stability. The US and the UK are ranked lower as far as financial stability is concerned because of both a higher risk of a banking crisis and a higher risk of a currency crisis (given the large current account deficit and the overvalued currency).

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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 22/11/2008 11:18:26
#49 is from the authors notes on the report that #39 Ugly George was using to support the crazy notion we doing well.

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Fred Quimby,

22/11/2008 11:19:05
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Ugly George,
22/11/2008 09:53:45

Tell that to the Greeks, Italians etc
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 11:25:55
49 An Greumach Mor
Thanks for the clarification. Am I right in concluding that the UK ranks well in some areas and not so well in others?

Surely, while single aspects can be useful in determining particular problems, an overall consideration of all the aspects is necessary if one is to establish the relative strength or weakness of a country relative to others? My concern with McKellerator was that he was trying to draw these conclusions from just one aspect.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 22/11/2008 11:38:27
These tax cuts are clearly a bribe for a snap general election in early 2009. Because with the UK public spending deficit being the worst since records began, and the hidden cost of PFI being added to the Government balance books in April, the Govt are going to have to put up taxes and slash spending, whoever forms it. I think both Brown and Cameron will be hoping the other guy wins.
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noswod,

Honestas 22/11/2008 11:51:05
Ally gee em the money. Well gee em the cash and them thell vote frae us and then they will a get sacked when we have the Iceland effect and have to close everything doon. Bribe is no a bribe is political geinuis Jimmy. Daves as sick as Arsen Wengers parrot, otherwisse very sick.
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John S,

22/11/2008 12:19:28
Tax cuts 'aren't bribe for early election'
The months in which elections have been held since 1945 and how many in that month.
Feb - 2
Mar - 1
Apr - 1
May - 4
Jun - 4
Jul - 1
Oct - 4

12 Feb 2009-23 Feb 2009-Parliament recess
2 Apr 2009 -20 Apr 2009-Parliament recess
4 Jun 2009-Some local elections in England and the EU elections.
21 Jul 2009-12 Oct 2009-Parliament recess
May 2010-English Local Authorities elections.
3 Jun 2010- Last possible general election date.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 12:35:27
54 Observer
Interesting contrast. Germany has officially entered recession with two successive quarters of negative growth.

Commenting on this problem the German finance minister (sorry I've forgotten his name) stated "I can't throw money at it and I won't"

You are right in the sense that Gordon Brown's largesse will have a time of reckoning in the future. I also tend to agree that it will not be in the long term interests of the Tories to win an election in 2009. They would have to pick up the pieces and no doubt be subject to the rhetoric of "Tory cuts"

It would probably be better for them to let Labour carry the can for another 4 or so years and then portray themselves as the party which has to redress all of Labour's extravagance.

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Jimmy Le Pie,

I've abolished boom and bust 22/11/2008 12:44:34
Ugly George,

As you appear to have taken the mantle of expert in all things from AM2, could you explain to me why, if as Comrade Broon says, the recession is global, why has the pound slumped against all other western currencies??

I noticed Comrade Broon couldn't (or wouldn't) answer the same questions at PMQ's.

Is it a difficult question?????
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 22/11/2008 13:05:46
57 Other European countries have indeed entered recession, but there are significant differences with us. We have the additional burden of PFI entering the scene unexpectedly, the fact that so many of us are personally indebted to a much larger degree than many of our European counterparts, the fall in sterling, and our silly reliance on house prices as indicators of wealth. We face a far more perfect storm economically than many of our neighbours. For what it's worth I think it's unfixable and it doesn't matter much which goon is in charge, Brown or Cameron, it's swings and roundabouts.
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Marian,

22/11/2008 13:06:22
You can always tell when New Labour's stooges are losing the political argument - when the only thing they can do is resort to scaremongering against their opponents.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 22/11/2008 13:08:18
A lot of people think a recession is the worst time for Scotland to go it alone. I don't, I think it's the optimum time, and has now become completely necessary.
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Cracker06,

Livingston 22/11/2008 14:29:35
"...small independent countries are quite capable of managing their own affairs in a well regulated system.." You are quite right, however the reason I do not currently support the SNP is that I do NOT trust our part-time First Minister to do so. In fact I wouldn't trust the Toad to run a village fete raffle!!
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Darien,

Panama 22/11/2008 14:39:34
#11: "The amazing thing and the most depressing thing is that a single person is still voting Labour!"
Yes, why is that? Is it simply stupidity, or maybe something worse that that?

#61: Independence anytime is a good time. But the problem is that so many Scots don't have backbone, so we get what happened in Glenrothes. The added danger in recession is that those with no backbone tend to tug even tighter on mummy Britain's skirt. At the same time the unionist/BritNatz parties collectively play up the fear factor. Wha's like us. Naebody!
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 22/11/2008 14:47:16
Forget the elction being the catalyst for this. Its in response to the urgent need to do something positive and on taking the advice of Vince Cable and the LibDems hopefully we will see meaningful tax cuts that help us through this sorry economic mess. If nothing is done in this regard then heaven help all of us.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

22/11/2008 15:05:59
#62 Cracker06

So you'd rather be governed by a PM elected ONLY by a nod and a wink, and Lord Mandy of Sleaze elected by no one??

Sad really.
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Cracker06,

Livingston 22/11/2008 15:47:18
"..So you'd rather be governed by a PM elected ONLY by a nod and a wink, and Lord Mandy of Sleaze elected by no one??.."

Is it Gordon Brown's fault that no-one stood against him for the Labour leadership, what was he supposed to do? - refuse to take over until someone gathered enough support to challenge him.

Also it's better than the fair weather leader who ran out on us back in 2001 when things didn't go his way. I've no doubt that if we were independent come the 1st crisis we wouldn't see the toadly one for dust. Scotland will one day be independent but to risk having him as leader at that time is a price too high to pay.
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morris,

edinburgh 22/11/2008 15:55:32
65

The postal vote was around 7000 which is 20% approx of the 36,000 total votes cast.That's abnormal in my eyes.What is a normal postal percentage I ask? Surely not this high!If its genuine then why not scrutinise all postal votes and clear the air indeed.

Labour reduced their majority whilst increasing their total votes by 3%.That's weird for a kick off !
If that's not unusual to high heaven then I don't know what is!
One cannot blame you for being suspicious. The figures are at best unusual if not dubious,and very possibly rigged.
There is no way it will be investigated of course.

There are two possibilities here ONLY.
1) The count is genuine. No investigation is required
2) The count is as dodgy as a four pound coin,and there is even less chance of an investigation!

It WILL NOT HAPPEN because Westminster cannot afford to let it happen,but statistically speaking its mingin to high heaven!
The problem is even if it could be shown to have been doctored, would Labour voters care?

I doubt that many would bother,and some would sell our democratic process without question,such is their level !
GLENROTHES has set Scotland back for sure.
When Cameron enters no 10 I hope every supporter of Labour realises what a stupid thing they have done,voted Labour and elected a Tory government, but lets be honest ,if they had enough brains to understand it they would never have done it!

They are stupid. Its as simple as that.Some are even proud of it!
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Darien,

Panama 22/11/2008 16:01:16
#66: "...Vince Cable and the LibDems". Sounds like a pop group.

#65 & #70: Funny how wee Duggie Election Manager Extraordinaire has been so quiet of late. Might the reason be he was busy on Glenrothes?
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Cracker06,

Livingston 22/11/2008 16:13:48
69

Do you refute the facts

Labour Leadership Election: Gordon Brown was the only candidate to stand, therefore he was elected as leader and by default became the PM

2001: Alex Salmond walked out of Holyrood and scurried back to Westminster, only deciding to return (without surrendering his Westminster seat) when it looked like Rosanna Cunningham would win the leadership after the resignation of John Swinney. He also admitted in an interview at the time that Jack McConnell would be easier to beat than Donald Dewar.

Not the actions of a politician that has the interests of Scotland at heart and would do anything to achieve them I think.
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morris,

edinburgh 22/11/2008 16:26:59
72
A politician who had Scotlands interests at heart would do what was best for Scotland,and would indeed do anything to achieve that end, in exactly the same way as a politician who had the UK (as a whole) best interests at heart would also do so.
He would be no use if he did otherwise.



Alex Salmond would not only retain both of these seats he would probably win any of the neighbouring seats also.He did what his party wanted him to do and the vote cast for him proves it!
He has since become First Minister! For a failure he sure has a funny way of showing it!
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brownlie,

22/11/2008 17:08:19
74 Col. Blimp

You sound a tad critical of the Financial Genious and Saviour of the World
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Rufus T. Firefly,

22/11/2008 17:13:27
"0 morris,edinburgh 22/11/2008 15:55:32

The postal vote was around 7000 which is 20% approx of the 36,000 total votes cast.That's abnormal in my eyes.What is a normal postal percentage I ask? Surely not this high!If its genuine then why not scrutinise all postal votes and clear the air indeed."

Talk about desperate? Unbelievable.

If you lose the football match, blame the referee.

The SNP were cuffed in Glenrothes.

Stop whinging like a crying baby and deal with it.
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1745,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 17:16:22
Has anyone noticed that the Union Flag currently flying above the Headquarters of the Bank of Scotland on the Mound has developed a large hole....a sign of things to come ?
72

Jimmy Le Pie,

22/11/2008 17:31:45
Still no answer from the Unionists about why the pound has fallen against all the major currencies!

The Unionist answer to an awkward question - ignore it and hopefully it'll go away.

No it won't!!
73

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 17:34:11
58 Jimmy le pie
Please try and read what I actually have said rather than what you imagine I have said before you make erroneous comments such as this.

I have stated many times that I am not a fan of Gordon Brown so why are you asking me to defend him. It is one of the depressing aspects of these these threads that people tend to assume all manner of arguments from others on no evidence and you have exhibited t5his trait once more.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 22/11/2008 17:36:28
70 Morris#

The vote is extraordinarily high as the average is 10% of all votes cast, 20% is very unusual.

Unfortunately there is no way of breaking down votes, they are mixed in with the ballot papers.

But 20% is double the average which does seem to be a bit odd.
75

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 17:42:07
78 jimmy le pie
It is no mystery why the pound has fallen. The level of debt incurred by Gordon Brown is bound to lead to a fall in the currency.

Why are you portraying this as some conspiracy of silence. This has nothing to do with a unionist/nationalist argument as you portray it. It is all about how Gordon Brown has managed the economy. I am one of the first to claim that he has not handled the economy well - that is obvious.

You seem to feel that anybody who might voice an opinion different to yours has to be a fan of Gordon Brown. Why?
76

Ugly George,

22/11/2008 17:46:33
70 morris
So, according to you anybody who votes in a manner differently to the way you would vote is "stupid".

Are you claiming to be the Albert Einstein of political thinking.
77

brownlie,

22/11/2008 17:46:56
80 Nevsky

It is a well-known fact that a high percentage of Glenrothes voters go on holiday at that time of the year - far more than go on holiday in Glasgow East during Glasgow Fair.

As for the buffoon who said that the SNp got cuffed. If they can increase their by 13% in an area where other no-hope unionists all voted for Labour then that hardly qualifies as "getting cuffed".
78

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/11/2008 17:48:09
70/80
Yet another conspiracy theory?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

22/11/2008 17:49:43
"78 Jimmy Le Pie,22/11/2008 17:31:45
Still no answer from the Unionists about why the pound has fallen against all the major currencies!"

Why was the pound UP on the Euro and Dollar in the last week?

80

Rufus T. Firefly,

22/11/2008 17:52:22
Hey Mr Norway, would an independent Scotland be in or out the EU?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

22/11/2008 17:55:43
Yeah Brownlie the SNP took a good old fashioned pasting in a seqat that Salmond said the NatZ would win.

They took a tanking.

So now, in desperation, the NatZ are claiming it was all the result of a postal voting scam.

How pathetic.
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22/11/2008 17:56:18
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22/11/2008 17:58:28
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The Strategist,

23/11/2008 22:38:40
And now it's being reported that Brown/Darling is going to raise income tax for those paid more than £150,000..

But not now of course. Not until after the next election...... Bizarre..
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PointOf View,

25/11/2008 01:13:47
74 Col.Blimp1V
Your the Man, spot on comments!!

 

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