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Souter enters debate over hybrid embryos



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Published Date: 18 May 2008
THE multi-millionaire who triggered the bitter national debate over Section 28 today re-enters the fray over ethical issues, attacking plans by ministers to create so-called hybrid embryos and what he sees as attempts to airbrush fathers from new fertility laws.
Eight years after bankrolling a failed bid to keep the law banning the promotion of homosexuality in schools, Stagecoach founder Brian Souter has begun a fresh campaign, this time over the controversial Embryology Bill to be voted on by MPs this week
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The law proposed will allow the creation of embryos made up of animal and human tissue. MPs are also to be asked to vote on lowering the abortion age limit and on removing references to a father in fertility treatment cases.

Scotland on Sunday can reveal that Souter has already held meetings with Cabinet ministers and leading political figures in Scotland, demanding that they oppose the changes.

In an article for this newspaper today, Souter declares the reasons for his opposition to the new bill.

He claims plans to create hybrid embryos "cross an entirely new moral boundary and certainly seem to have struck a 'yuck factor' with the general public".

Souter also expresses his opposition to plans to change fertility law. At present, clinics must take into account the "need for a father" when assessing whether a woman can receive treatment. Under the new laws they only need take into account the need for "supportive parenting".

Souter says: "This surely sends the wrong message about responsible fatherhood at a time when new evidence confirms that our social problems are being exacerbated because of the lack of good male role models and the absence of a father's influence."

Souter also criticises Gordon Brown, who has said he will stick with the current 24-week abortion limit. "Aren't politicians supposed to lead and set the ethical agenda rather than the reverse?" he asks.

A source close to Souter said: "He believes strongly that politicians should be leading from the front and not simply taking the excuse of saying they will go with scientific advice."

Calum Irving, director of Stonewall Scotland, said last night: "It is concerning as no one person should have disproportionate influence on any equality matter. Money shouldn't be able to buy someone influence."

Souter's involvement comes after he gave the SNP £500,000 last year, a sum which was considered to be one of the key reasons for the Nationalists' success.

The businessman built his Stagecoach empire up from just a few buses. Along with his sister, Ann Gloag, he is estimated to be worth £720m.



The full article contains 439 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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JG,

Fife 18/05/2008 00:13:19
"He believes strongly that politicians should be leading from the front and not simply taking the excuse of saying they will go with scientific advice."

So what other advice does this man think politicians should be taking? Ignore the trained and learned opinions of medical people but listen in awe to a bus operator?
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subrosa,

18/05/2008 00:34:06
I'm with Brian Soutar on this. The destruction of our society has been caused by too many liberal-minded fanatics. Every child needs a father and mother. Every father and mother needs to learn to take responsibility for the life they have created. That's where it's all gone wrong.
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Stewart C.,

Stranraer 18/05/2008 01:02:31
2 subrosa: agreed. Mr Soutar: agreed.

Labour is morally bankrupt (but so are many of the other MPs).
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JG,

Fife 18/05/2008 01:08:59
Sure, he's entitled to his opinion but I never elected him and he has no more right to influence changes than you or I do.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

18/05/2008 01:29:44
He's entitled to his opinion, and he has no more right than you or I, but he has power and wealth and is happy to use it.

Which is why in return for a bung of more than half a million pounds the SNP dropped from their manifesto party policy agreed at their 2006 conference to re-regulate the bus network, which would hand control of services to local authorities.

Bought and sold for billionaire bus operator's gold!
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zeno,

www.thinkhumanism.com 18/05/2008 01:34:36
subrosa #2 said: "Every child needs a father and mother." This is patent nonsense. There are many, many children who grow up to be well-rounded adults even if they have never known one of their parents.

Fifi la Bonbon #6 said: "He's entitled to his opinion, and he has no more right than you or I, but he has power and wealth and is happy to use it." Absolutely.
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Lanna,

18/05/2008 05:09:25
#5 JG
long time no see!! How's yous?! :)
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Argyll on line,

Argyll 18/05/2008 07:24:49
Well done yet again Brian. These people have the Mark of Cain on them and you should let this be known.
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subrosa,

18/05/2008 07:30:30
# 3 Wardog

I wish! Rum's not my tipple and neither is communion wine. A wee droppy of a quality Merlot is good for the heart I'm told though.
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subrosa,

18/05/2008 07:40:30
# 7

I see you're of a far younger generation than me. Having watched the deterioration of society over the past 60 years I don't think my opinion is 'patent nonsense'. You're just used to seeing so many children brought up by one parent and have no concept of many two parent families.

Having been a mother in a two parent family and also a single mother, my children say they definitely preferred having two parents as they felt they had the benefits of a male and female perspective on life.
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S'me,

Edinburgh 18/05/2008 07:46:11
I forgot I had voted for Brian Soutar,MSP, where there's money you have a voice... stick to your bus timetables...
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 18/05/2008 08:11:56
Souter would be better trying to improve the standard of his buses.
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big big fun,

18/05/2008 08:21:41
why has the scotsman stopped anyone from commenting on the sports section ?
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whitegold,

Shire 18/05/2008 08:34:21
#7 - 'This is patent nonsense'

No it isn't. If you know anything about youth crime it is vastly overrepresented by those who do not have a mother & father at home. If this isn't 'politically correct' then tough.

Here is an interesting link where a commons committee came to the conclusion that lack of a father has led to crime in black communities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1554595/Broken-families-'fuelling-black-crime'.html

>>But young people themselves and community workers made a direct link between the absence of a positive male role model and involvement in gangs. One witness said: "If they are not getting the love from home they see it as the only love they can get is from the street.'

In the absence of a male role model, many young black men chose to emulate negative, violent lifestyles popularised in some black music and in films, the report says.<<

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Garry Otton,

SCOTTISH MEDIA MONITOR com 18/05/2008 08:47:40
This newspaper was a strong supporter of Brian Souter during the vile campaign organised to prevent the repeal of Section 28. (Currently being serialised. Read it free on the above website).
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 18/05/2008 08:53:16
It is interesting that Scotish papers think that it is worthwhile printing the personal opinions of multi-millionaires. Soutar must mave one hell of a PR machine. Whatever next....
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thinking,

Scotland 18/05/2008 08:55:22
'Calum Irving, director of Stonewall Scotland, said last night: "It is concerning as no one person should have disproportionate influence on any equality matter. Money shouldn't be able to buy someone influence."'
Then how come less than 3% of the population has such a say over forcing topics into schools, extra laws just for them and a big hold on the media (news and TV programmes)?
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 18/05/2008 08:55:42
....However, if Soutar can change the SNP's policy on bus de-regulation, maybe he thinks that he can advance his personal adgenda in other areas, as well... and I am sure he can.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/05/2008 09:39:17
#16 Why do you say it was a "vile campaign"?
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JG,

Fife 18/05/2008 10:39:23
#8 Lanna
I'm fine thanks - been writing essays so haven't had time to drop in here! How are you? Still tending to the horses?

Souter has a few valid points (fathers should continue to be involved in fertility treatments for example) but he has no right to 'demand' anything.
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antifa,

18/05/2008 14:36:22
"Souter has already held meetings with Cabinet ministers and leading political figures in Scotland, demanding that they oppose the changes."

This is seriously worrying. Souter has no expertise or background in this area and Cabinet ministers should not be meeting him to discuss this.

There is a difference to being "on the side of business" and allowing the owners of large companies influence on policy.
22

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 18/05/2008 19:30:00
And the official SNP response to this is ?????????????
23

boudica,

Glasgow 18/05/2008 19:45:59
I see Fayed is now getting in on the act ...How much cash will the SNP take from him and how far will they bend at his beckoning ...
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whitegold,

Shire 18/05/2008 20:36:26
#18 "Then how come less than 3% of the population has such a say over forcing topics into schools, extra laws just for them and a big hold on the media (news and TV programmes)?"

Good point. Stonewall's representative showing studied hypocrisy here.
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McGinty,

18/05/2008 21:13:47
If Souter used his influence to support experts on specific issues, he might get more sympathy. Governments seem to be starting to look at funding issues, but the charities regulators need to think about funding for publicity campaigns. It seems concerning that other charities and pressure groups are not getting/giving the same voice.
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john z,

edinburgh 18/05/2008 23:00:35
As was the case with homosexuality "we didnae vote fur it an wur noe huvin it (theatrically thumps table), Mr Soutar clearly has no idea what he is talking about. In the style of a genuine playground bully, he decides he would like to force people to accept his opinions on another subject as well. Probably because an imaginary man in the sky tells him to.

Clearly his huge defeat over clause 28 was not sufficient humiliation to get him to shut up.

Suffice to say, as was the case with clause 28, what Mr Soutar knows about embryology could be written on the head of a very small pin with a big felt tip pen.

Those who find this man's biggotted views repugnant should boycott his companies, stagecoach bus/rail and virgin rail (he is one of the largest shareholders together with Branson.)
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john z,

edinburgh 18/05/2008 23:21:09
Number 26,

All laws protecting minority groups have been voted for in the democratically elected parliament.

As such, 3% of the population did not make the decisions, rather the 660 plus MP's in Westminster did. But I see from your comments that you are probably as ill educated on human rights as Mr Soutar.

I'm not sure why people like you hate gay people so much as they do no harm, and have every right to go through their lives free of discrimination and persecution.

I guess it's just plain old fashioned pig-ignorant bigotry that drives you in your hatred.


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James Andrews,

Edinburgh 19/05/2008 02:36:29
Soutar and ethics? Now it cannot be business he is talking about, judging by the way he has put others out of the way, so where does his ethics come from. I am sure in his case 'ethics' is a county in the South of England.
Whom is he trying to influence then, the Tartan Tories? Watch how they vote?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 19/05/2008 15:16:36
#23 antifa

Just as Gordon Brown has no expertise is economics or running a country. As you say, seriously worrying!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 19/05/2008 15:56:07
is = in
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Douglas,

Bathgate 21/05/2008 12:28:36
#42: Polly wants a banana sandwich after leaving the toilet seat up. :o)

 

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